There is a reason we have experts and must rely on them to some extent -- because non-experts don't understand the basics. For example, that Cell article you cite as showing human cells produce more spike protein after vaccination than produced after infection. It was referring to the germinal centers and all viral (I'm not sure about ba…
There is a reason we have experts and must rely on them to some extent -- because non-experts don't understand the basics. For example, that Cell article you cite as showing human cells produce more spike protein after vaccination than produced after infection. It was referring to the germinal centers and all viral (I'm not sure about bacterial) agents the body finds are taken to the GCs by antigen-presenting cells so that the B cells can be generated that are specifically built to attack that antigen. Any viral proteins there are not dangerous -- they have already been neutralized by the APCs. Also, if there is any spike protein anywhere in the body on a certain day it will certainly be in the GCs (because that is where it goes). All that means is either the APCs presenting the spike protein have not all been destroyed by then.
Absolutely right. Andi West is a proponent of "epistemic trespass"...someone who knows a bit but within unrelated fields, and who pretends to know the subject in detail (which she clearly doesn't, as shown by her misinterpretation of the study published in Cell)
I've already wasted more than enough time in this lifetime arguing with you , Mike. You do not argue in good faith and neither does your friend here. The Study from cell I cited had one point of interest, the longevity of the vaccine induced spike protein. The comparative points on the study were not important to the argument at hand. My statement was that the spike protein lasted for 60 days which is not something that normal mRNA does. I don't care how many tertiary points you can pull from a study, you still have not rebutted that the vaccine induced pike protein lasts way longer than they told us it would. God damn, you paid shills aren't even trying anymore are you. Argue the points someone states not the unrelated minutia of rest of the universe.
Also, that first link you shared, LOL. It took me 2 minutes to find major errors: the author says the Cell studied found that the spike mRNA lasted 60 days -- that is not the case -- they were looking at the spike protein (which could have been made weeks earlier).
Also, they compare the mRNA levels in live (vaccinated) individuals with those of cadavers. Of course the live people are higher -- it isn't the virus that kills most people with COVID -- it is the immune system going haywire as it fights the virus. Also, mRNA degrades quickly, especially after death!
I am just pasting my reply to your friend Mike here- The Study from cell I cited had one point of interest, the longevity of the vaccine induced spike protein. The comparative points on the study were not important to the argument at hand. My statement was that the spike protein lasted for 60 days which is not something that normal mRNA does. I don't care how many tertiary points you can pull from a study, you still have not rebutted that the vaccine induced pike protein lasts way longer than they told us it would. God damn, you paid shills aren't even trying anymore are you. Argue the points someone states not the unrelated minutia of rest of the universe.
Yeah it is a great place to start learning the basics (and to realize how much you don't know). It obviously isn't authoritative but is usually accurate and a great place to start because it has citations for every statement.
There is a reason we have experts and must rely on them to some extent -- because non-experts don't understand the basics. For example, that Cell article you cite as showing human cells produce more spike protein after vaccination than produced after infection. It was referring to the germinal centers and all viral (I'm not sure about bacterial) agents the body finds are taken to the GCs by antigen-presenting cells so that the B cells can be generated that are specifically built to attack that antigen. Any viral proteins there are not dangerous -- they have already been neutralized by the APCs. Also, if there is any spike protein anywhere in the body on a certain day it will certainly be in the GCs (because that is where it goes). All that means is either the APCs presenting the spike protein have not all been destroyed by then.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germinal_center
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antigen-presenting_cell
In other words, stop thinking you can understand the most complicated biological system in existence when you have no training in the field.
Absolutely right. Andi West is a proponent of "epistemic trespass"...someone who knows a bit but within unrelated fields, and who pretends to know the subject in detail (which she clearly doesn't, as shown by her misinterpretation of the study published in Cell)
I've already wasted more than enough time in this lifetime arguing with you , Mike. You do not argue in good faith and neither does your friend here. The Study from cell I cited had one point of interest, the longevity of the vaccine induced spike protein. The comparative points on the study were not important to the argument at hand. My statement was that the spike protein lasted for 60 days which is not something that normal mRNA does. I don't care how many tertiary points you can pull from a study, you still have not rebutted that the vaccine induced pike protein lasts way longer than they told us it would. God damn, you paid shills aren't even trying anymore are you. Argue the points someone states not the unrelated minutia of rest of the universe.
Also, that first link you shared, LOL. It took me 2 minutes to find major errors: the author says the Cell studied found that the spike mRNA lasted 60 days -- that is not the case -- they were looking at the spike protein (which could have been made weeks earlier).
Also, they compare the mRNA levels in live (vaccinated) individuals with those of cadavers. Of course the live people are higher -- it isn't the virus that kills most people with COVID -- it is the immune system going haywire as it fights the virus. Also, mRNA degrades quickly, especially after death!
I am just pasting my reply to your friend Mike here- The Study from cell I cited had one point of interest, the longevity of the vaccine induced spike protein. The comparative points on the study were not important to the argument at hand. My statement was that the spike protein lasted for 60 days which is not something that normal mRNA does. I don't care how many tertiary points you can pull from a study, you still have not rebutted that the vaccine induced pike protein lasts way longer than they told us it would. God damn, you paid shills aren't even trying anymore are you. Argue the points someone states not the unrelated minutia of rest of the universe.
Wikipedia?
Yeah it is a great place to start learning the basics (and to realize how much you don't know). It obviously isn't authoritative but is usually accurate and a great place to start because it has citations for every statement.
It is a good place to start as a pointer to external sources for sure.