" SARS-CoV-2, on the other hand, has killed almost 1.2 million people in the United States". That is not true, Dr. Offit. The death figures were grossly exaggerated. The PCR test that was used to confirm diagnoses of SARS-2 infection was deeply flawed in a number of ways that increased deaths. State public health officers made it clear any person with a positive PCR test at the time of death who died of a clear alternative cause was listed as a Covid death.
Also your claim that "abundant evidence now proves that SARS-CoV-2 virus was an animal-to-human spillover event that occurred in the western section of the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in late 2019" is also incorrect. On February 20, 2020, I proved the virus could not have entered the human population through natural zoonotic spillover. I will be happy to explain my reasoning if you would like. Just say the word. Perhaps you could do a post where you present evidence for natural zoonotic spillover and I attempt to refute it directly and with my proof. What would be ideal, though would be a live debate covering two issues; 1) the number actually killed by COVID-19 in the United States and 2) the mechanism by which the SARS-2 virus entered the human population. Was it through natural zoonotic spillover as you contend or from a laboratory. We would conduct this debate in a spirit of helpfulness and could livestream and record it for the public's benefit.
Thank you Professor. My 2.20.2020 proof is true to a degree of 7.7 x 10 ^114 to 1. But I'll have all of your references in my six shooter the night of the debate (if he agrees). Thank you.
Contact your congressional and state representatives... some of them have been open to moving some of these challenges forward. Dr. Ladapo in Florida for example. Ultimately through legal liability or through laws seem to be our most important routes to justice and truth, public health and safety.
I would like to see the CDC and FDA and HHS shut down and defunded.
I now seriously doubt that they have done ANYTHING in the public interest in the past 30 years.
"Our contracts with DARPA, BARDA, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation..."
but Moderna collaborating with the DoD...that's just a conspiracy theory only believed by kooks!
i know reading is not your strong suit, but give the document a read - you may learn something...like how these products work:
"When a cell needs to produce a protein, the instructions to make that protein are copied from the DNA to mRNA, which serves as the template for protein production. Each mRNA molecule contains the instructions to produce a specific protein with a distinct function in the body. mRNA transmits those instructions to cellular machinery, called ribosomes, that make copies of the required protein."
but there isnt any danger in 'instructing' human cells to make a non human protein right?
And real scientists don't live in information bubbles. Dr. Sheftall is far from a "kook", and would lay bare the incompetence and possible malfeasance that drove the pandemic response. Offit would look like a fool.
Dr Offit not going beyond 3 shots tells you all you need to know. He’s realizing he’s going to have to wait potentially years to see what he has gotten himself into. Lucky for him he’s over 70, imagine some 5 year old with this hanging over his head (and parents’ heads) for decades. It is a total experiment where this is going, it’s not defined by a law of nature like gravity. Escalating IgG4 levels with each round of shots, spike proteins that don’t say in the shoulder as promised or disappear a short time later. These shots are garbage, you know it but maybe your pay check depended on going down with the ship.
"SARS-CoV-2, on the other hand, has killed almost 1.2 million people in the United States". That is not true, Dr. Offit. The death figures were grossly exaggerated. "
According to life insurance companies the true number of deaths is higher than reported.
I gather you have no actual training in statistics or virology or analytical chemistry....
Albus, please tell me why you wrote that I was unqualified to debate Paul Offit. I requested you back up your claim more than a day ago and reminded you 5 hours ago. Still no word.
Your complete incompetence at being able to defend yourself with “science” is abysmal. You should be removed ... as the mother of two vaccine injured children... I watch you annually sacrifice more of our children from profits at the ACIP meeting where you weigh in on your own vaccines. How ANYONE thinks you have any credibility is beyond me. My two boys were vaccine injured by the products you approve. I hold you to account for that... and may god on mercy on your pathetic soul.
The discussion was the benefits of vaccines. So yes, potential conflict of interest re Rotavirus vaccine and Offit sitting on the ACIP is irrelevant. If you have evidence the (rota) vaccines don’t work, please present it.
I didn't address whether the rotavirus vaccines work or not. I was just helping the discussion by pointing out something that appeared to be unknown to the commenters. My participation in this comment section centers on two claims Dr. Offit made that I think are false. hey had nothing to do with his vaccine.
Here is the point I wanted to make: Mike. You accidently described where he committed the "crime." He should not have been involved in approving the other rotaviruses. That is a flagrant conflict of interest because when one type of rotavirus vaccine gets approved, that makes it much more likely that the as-yet-to-be-considered rotavirus vaccines will be approved. I know it sounds strange but it is true. See the Stanley Plotkin deposition where this issue is conceded by Dr. Plotkin. By the way, I'm not an antivaxxer by the old definition. The new def makes 90% of the people in Colorado, for example, antivaxxers. I will say that they haven't been tested properly.
Mike. You accidently described where he committed the "crime." He should not have been involved in approving the other rotaviruses. That is a flagrant conflict of interest because when one type of rotavirus vaccine gets approved, that makes it much more likely that the as-yet-to-be-considered rotavirus vaccines will be approved. I know it sounds strange but it is true. See the Stanley Plotkin deposition where this issue is conceded by Dr. Plotkin. By the way, I'm not an antivaxxer by the old definition. The new def makes 90% of the people in Colorado, for example, antivaxxers. I will say that they haven't been tested properly.
It IS a conflict of interest because it makes it much more likely that yours will be approved. You're just wrong there. Look it up and watch the deposition. When the lawyer taking the deposition from Dr. Plotkin asks him if it was a conflict of interest for Dr. Offit to be voting on the approval of a Rotavirus vaccine when he had one up for consideration, Dr Plotkin said, "Yes". Then they discussed why. They both said it was because it would make it more likely that their (Offit's and Plotkin's) Rotavirus vaccine would be approved. If you don't understand this, there isn't much else I can do .
I didn't address who received the royalties for the vaccine.
Dr. Offit, you were not elected to your position. How dare you malign a duly elected Representative of our government? Obviously, you think you are above the elected representatives, and that YOU run the country. And science.
Wake up sir. It is OVER. Your time is over.
The vaccines are not effective and not safe. The wholesale withholding of medicines that would have stopped it in its track was done so that the only option was a genetic untested therapy that had never been used in humans before.
There is over 10 years of patents on this man made virus - and you know full well you cannot patent nature.
And there are 20 years of how slowly and carefully and under the radar the Cares and Prep acts and other laws were passed elminating informed consent.
The lies are out in the open. We see. And we see you.
Dr Fauci tried to patent the SARS sequence, but it was rejected, because SARS was represented to be a "natural" virus. He then utilized another PTO procedure that required hefty fees and keeps the patent confidential (national security trade secrets and military countermeasures). Anyone wanting to do research on SARS has to apply for permission, be vetted by NIH and sign NDAs.
Dr. Offit, you have access to VAERS; there are several other databases you can access that the public cannot. There are FOIA'd records from Pfizer and Moderna that are posted publicly that show the morbidity and mortality just from the very short term "trials." I suggest you need to review those. The Medicare records show 40,000 people DIED within a month of receiving the "Covid-19 vaccines."
Good question. If I recall correctly, the CDC posts those stats, I think quarterly... I recall the CDC posting those in 2020 and 2021 in the typical straight forward manner they always had. The stats may have gotten dicey after that. Not much help, I am sorry I do not have the urls right at hand.
Albus is trying on his misogyny... Real men don't troll mothers whose children are vaccine injured ... only intellectuals who cant get their hand off it do.
Good thing I put the Court rulings right in front of your eyes so you would see that your children were NOT vaccine injured....you are just victims of anti-vacc fraud doing great evil to you family.
I still have hope for you. Some day you will care enough to look.
Once again the bar here is understanding the word "some".
As anyone that is functionally literate will see some, of their products are gene therapies....they are called gene therapies.....and some are vaccines.
I really appreciate your continued public service in demonstrating that one truly has to be a moron to fall for the anti-vacc lies.
keep talking. you are showing how empty the pro covid shot argument is.
if you are a good little rule follower, you should have 5 or 6 shots by now. i hope you followed pfizer's advice and got your rsv & flu shots at the same time!
show us what an advocate you are for these products and post your covid vax card.
you know, the one that only conspiracy theorist kooks said was likely to come to fruition, which tyrannically was adopted by multiple countries and some city municipalities in the USA + used to deny people life saving organ transplants only to be jettisoned and attempted to be forgotten after Ms Small's testimony representing pfizer in front of the EU parliament in which she said pfizer 'moved at the speed of science' so they didnt have time to test for the products ability to interrupt transmission.
not even offit is taking this latest shot. blasphemy, he didnt take the bivalent booster either! and he is 70+ yrs old - in a high risk category for covid.
I’d be willing to bet the vast majority who took that dangerous shot, would not have done so if the propaganda campaign had also stated this shot will not stop transmission in the beginning.
!! i didnt know, albus. the covid mrna 'vaccines' PREVENT the disease covid 19 caused by the sars-co-v-2 virus?
"Vaccine The term “vaccine” means any substance designed to be administered to a human being for the prevention of 1 or more diseases."
so if basically everyone who has taken multiple doses of the mrna shots from pfizer & moderna...and still gets the disease covid 19 - are these a successful vaccine?
did the dosed, just not take enough of the product to PREVENT the disease?
lol, this is total bullshit and if you dont know it - its no wonder you are on your ___ dose of these therapeutics. be proud albus, shame the anti-vaxers by touting how many doses you've taken and look no harm!
all mrna based therapies have a common modality. it is summarized on page 119 - search for: mRNA, the software of life
"mRNA is used by every cell to produce all proteins" - the mrna is read by cell's ribosomes which then assemble amino acids into the encoded protein.
"In every cell, hundreds of thousands of mRNAs make hundreds of millions of proteins every day."
its the same for their therapeutics and vaccines - the differences are the therapeutic aim (oncology, infectious disease, etc) and what proteins the mrna instructs the patients' cells to make.
for the dummy who constantly disparages people as - even a 5th grader can read/comprehend...your confidence in your opinion pales in comparison to your scientific comprehension of these products.
Anti vac tally begins today friends !!! Lets count the number of shitcan Albus ans Mike S responses!! Cuz you know... they are so very clever. Buckle up boys.
So in another AI amoral post by Offit , the post says you didnt call me a liar. And here it is.. AI to gaslight everyone who doesnt agree with you. albus the obvious strikes again!!!
Why haven’t you debated Steve Kirsch again? If you’re so sure and you have the data... you should be able to wipe the floor with him. But you can’t, can you?
Here’s some more information for you sir since you seem
Completely uninterested in the truth of how vaccines can injure and maim people. This is an established fact otherwise we wouldn’t have a compensation “court” that’s really not a court in the first place. How many western docs are willfully blind at this point. How many more children will suffer Paul?
Actually, that was debunked over and over again. Head on over to Del Bigtree or Children's Health defense. Its all right there for you read ...
FYI... you should read Vaccine Court by Wayne Rhode. He exolains it well. On average, the cost of court is 5 million and 8 years ... and bc its not a court you can not appeal the decision. All vaccine manufacturers before covid were and are felons, paying the fed govt millions of dollars for fraudulently presenting their data. In a real court of law, like the ones they paid fines for, that would be evidence for the people making their claims, and that is even if your claims can be heard.
Often, people who have not studied the horrendous consequences of liability free vaccination, or havent exeperienced it themselves make themselves look foolish in their responses. We are talking about children being maimed and harmed and in some cases, murdered by the "vaccines" that are supposed to help them. Its callwd SIDS and now we have SADS.
That is a lie...but one has to be willfully stupid to believe it.
2. "you can not appeal the decision."
Yes you can appeal, that is right in the law. Another anti-vacc lie predicated on folks being too stupid to read.
Here is an example of a case that was appealed....and the anti-vaccs are exposed as morons....little more than tossing feces at a wall hoping something will stick.
"Appeal from the United States Court of Federal Claims in 98-VV-916,"
5. "people who have not studied the horrendous consequences of liability free vaccination, "
They still aren't liability free.
American's can and do sue vaccine makers.
And the vaccines cause autism fraud is well detailed in Court rulings.
"Pamela and Ernest Blackwell, parents and next friends of Jamarr Blackwell, sued the drug manufacturer Wyeth, Inc., its affiliates, and others, alleging that Jamarr’s autism and mental retardation were caused by thimerosal-laden vaccines administered to Jamarr when he was a baby."
Hey Albus... we've got you AI BOTS categorized in 3 " programmed " shitcan responses : Gaslight, name call, hypocrite, and we're taking a tally on how many times you fit in Anti -vac into your comments ... poor Albus has his head stuck so far up his own hinder ...
The love for my children shows in their radiant health aftwr recovering them from dtap vaccine injuries Albus. Poor man... are you a man? Do you identify as one cuz bud... you have entirely missed the mark.
Fact is that I put the court ruling right in front of your eyes that demonstrate how your children's "injuries" are just flat out lies and gross fraud.
Looking forward to buying this book. A chronicle of a parallel dimension it seems, in which scientific discourse is an SNL parody. Thanks for writing it.
"Now, it is widely accepted that COVID-19 originated from that very lab in Wuhan, China. The 300 scientists were right when they said Anthony Fauci would start a global pandemic."
Did you notice all the evidence provided to support that?
So if I’m vaccinated I don’t need to worry about wearing a stupid mask in the presence of others who are vaccinated, because none of us are going to get sick. We don’t need to worry about those who were too dumb to avoid the shot. I mean if we’re going to thin the herd, we need start with the dumbest wouldn’t you agree?
So, if you understand percentages....our kids learned them in 5th grade....you will see your error and understand why every country laughs at the anti-vacc BS.
The problem with a shill is they tend to lie just like the industry they shill for. Pfizer admitted they never tested their garbage product to find out if it stopped transmission, and told the world that it was ninety five percent effective. Effective at what?
1. You changed the subject--it was how your link just made things up.
2. Of course Pfizer didn't test for stopping transmission. Vaccines don't stop transmission--that is just an old anti-vacc lie predicated on folks being too clueless to read.
3. ~95% effective at stopping people from getting sick. Too bad you didn't bother to read the studies.
Was it your goal to demonstrate that the anti-vacc fraud is predicated on folks not reading?
MTG. Of all the people offering serious, reasonable, and data-backed critique of the Covid vaccine, you choose MTG to argue against.
Where is the rigor and skepticism shown in your book "Overkill" where you pushed against consensus science on testosterone, overuse of aspirin, full-course antibiotic theory, and rejected the AAP recommendations for exposing young children to tree nuts?
I have to wonder if you are even aware of all the counterfactual evidence disproving nonsense papers like Common Wealth Trusts "The vaccines saved 3 million people"?
How is it possible that the vaccines saved 3 million in the US (for reference that is the total number of annual deaths) - yet all cause mortality was unchanged in 2020 and 2021 in the US? ( 3,433,842 vs. 3,449,444)?
Why did mortality increase significantly in so many countries *after* vaccination campaigns rolled out? Australia ad a 15% mortality increase in 2022. South Korea +26%. Norway, Denmark, Germany, Canada, Finland, Israel all immensely vaccinated, all had mortality higher in 2022 than 2021, and higher in 2021 than 2020. How can this be so when you cite this paper showing the US "saved" 3 million lives by vaccinating even less than those countries?
Now, if the countries that didn't vaccinate had deaths explode even higher, then we could consider this papers hypothesis. If we use the model this paper proposes and apply to other countries, you would expect Bulgaria had +100% deaths year-over-year in 2022 rather than falling closer to pre-pandemic baseline. You would expect low vaccinated Iowa to have more excess deaths than high vaccinated Vermont, but instead they have identical excess deaths (14%). North Dakota and South Dakota have very different vaccination rates, identical outcome. The counterfactuals are endless, and despite this, you bring a model to the table for evidence? Dr Paul Offit relying on a model and a terrible observational study? The world is upside down.
Given that Covid exploded in every single highly vaccinated country, nearly half have had deaths *increase* after Covid vaccines, the other half flat (and a handful like Italy and France "dead cat bounce"), and we see no association between all cause mortality and vaccination level at the state level - why not consider the obvious - that we made something closer to 1960's RSV failure than Varicella or MMR?
We've never been good at flu vaccines. We never were able to make a Corona vaccine despite trying for decades. The exact problem Ralph Baric had with his attempts at making Covid vaccines - his vaccines made his mice more susceptible to variants and he couldn't figure out why (similar to 1960 RSV vaccine failure).
Looking at the raw data, it reflects the challenge Baric had, not the optimism of Welcome Trust models.
(PS Don't think you bother reading comments, but appreciate you leaving them open)
Couldn't that just be, because with mass-vaccinations, societies and economies opened up again?
I think these two things have been massively correlated in time.
Because the vaccines were not as perfect as hoped, as other mitigations (combined)apparently were.
The downside of those mitigations was that soceity and the economy were quite closed down. Their upside was , that if society opend up again, there would be more people left to run it.
So people got vaccinated, mitigations were lifted, societies and economies opened up, and yes people started dying more.
But thanks to the vaccines in much less massive droves then they would have done without vaccination.
In the meantime not so much the unvaccinated people (i know anti-vaxers who are for this very reason even stronger with other mitigations), but those who totally refused to adapt to a new disease/reality in any way, not only kept dying more as they had done all this time, but maybe even more (i can imagine) because now all the others tóó had lifted all mitigating restrictions, after having been vaccinated, which made the disease go round more freely, to the even greater detriment of those unvaccinated.
That a growing proportion of deaths were vaccinated people is just (or at least also) the logical result of a growing proportion of the population vaccinated in combination with vaccines not being perfect.
That was my original hypothesis, but that can be falsified several ways. As a reminder, the Welcome Trust paper proposes without vaccination there would be a 100% increase in deaths.
Thankfully we have a number of examples we can test that hypothesis:
1) Nordic Countries - All reopened by early summer 2020, including sending kids back to school in Spring 2020. They also had the lowest mask use in the entire world, but aside from +10% mortality in Sweden, the other countries had no increase in excess deaths *until* they started vaccinating. So how could it be the countries that reopened the earliest didn't have mortality skyrocket in 2020 before the vaccines? Denmark had 55K deaths in 2020, according to the Welcome Trust Model they should have had 110K.
2) Differences between US states that opened quickly had identical results compared to the states that locked down the hardest. Iowa, South Dakota, Georgia, all predicted to have a disaster, all had unremarkable results compared to California, Michigan, New England, etc.
3) Africa. Didn't participate in Covid, didn't mask, social distance, or vaccinate. The West predicted absolute disaster would strike, yet nothing happened. New York Times can't figure out why
with mitigations in Nordic countries, i can imagine that it was not total lifting-or-not, but somehow partly or targeted lifting/doing of some mitigations, in line with fluctuating local circumstances, or so..Until after vaccination. Then mitigations were totally lifted..
"How is it possible that the vaccines saved 3 million in the US (for reference that is the total number of annual deaths) - yet all cause mortality was unchanged in 2020 and 2021 in the US? ( 3,433,842 vs. 3,449,444)?"
There are these people called statisticians that can explain your questions.
If you make the claim “my rain dance is why it rained the next day”
And I perform the rain dance, don’t get rain, and my neighbor doesn’t perform the rain dance, but does get rain... I’m gonna suspect your rain dance is pseudoscience
OK...I can't be complete in a comment box, but I can give you a good start.
All-cause mortality is complex. It increases in a pandemic for many reasons.
Some--such as mental health and substance abuse problems--tend to get worse as time goes by. So, deaths from these problems will increase as the months go by.
But the basic principle is always the same:
You compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated people who otherwise have the same risk factors.
Thankfully we can breakdown cause of death through CDC wonder in the US, so can subtract out deaths from mental health.
We have countries with 100% vaccination rates, such as South Korea, which had all cause mortality double spring 2022.
Critics of the vaccine claim it was due to the vaccine, I’m not so sure, I temporize the vaccine was simply ineffective. Yet you are arguing that the 70,000 deaths were from the unvaccinated in South Korea, despite there not even being 70,000 unvaccinated adults in SK.
I agree we should be able to compare unvaccinated with vaccinated but none of these studies make a strong attempt to do so.
In any case, when you have overwhelming evidence at population levels showing country after country, having high mortality and not correlated to vaccine update, you no longer even need observational studies to show what we knew from the beginning - vaccines against respiratory viruses are near impossible to make - and the fact that the fastest to market vaccine in history failed May suggest the 10-15 years a typical vaccine requires can’t be “warp speeded” after all.
Thanks for alerting us to this “Congressional hearing” or conclave of elected officials all of whom deplore the existence of the federal government. The pronounced irony of that very FACT seems to escape many who traffic in conspiracy theories. My concern, Dr. Offitt, is that so many folks who criticize them do so using using language such as “clown car” which only makes them more militant in their positions and, more alarmingly, diminishes the importance of what these folks are doing to the average reader’s understanding of what is being done to the democratic norms and values that knit our democracy together. They are insidiously tearing away the fabric of our democracy and the Enlightenment values so critical to the advances democracies have made in a large part of the Western world.
I stopped reading at "Marjorie Taylor Greene had already made a name for herself by claiming that Jewish space lasers had caused wildfires in California..." She never made any such claim about "Jewish space lasers". Do better Dr. Offit.
So far only see one anti-vax troll in the comments. Not bad considering Dr. Offit released this a couple hours ago. Makes blocking much easier. Bye , bye Jursy Gurl.
Oh man ... Janet Bot ... are you also on the Offit payroll? You know that she got kicked off ... bc she was posting the science to show the lies he’s telling.
Good comments, except for your doctrinaire adherence to the Wuhan wet market animal to human spill-over hypothesis - for which, in fact, there is very little evidence. Fact is, we may never know the specific origin of Sars-CoV-2 with any degree of certainty.
"After commenting about the “unusual nature” of the SARS-CoV-2 FCS, Harrison and Sachs (1) then argue the opposite. With regard to our earlier publication (7), they write, “In fact, the assertion that the FCS in SARS-CoV-2 has an unusual, nonstandard amino acid sequence is false.” We made no such assertion. Rather, we noted that the SARS-CoV-2 FCS is “suboptimal.” We also noted, correctly, that placing the insertion out of frame would be “an unusual and needlessly complex feat of genetic engineering.”
The immediate proximal ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 did not come directly from a bat to a human, but first evolved in an intermediate host. Two related lineages of SARS-CoV-2—lineage A and lineage B—first infected humans via the wildlife trade at the Huanan Market in Wuhan (9, 10). For the ENaC hypothesis to be true, UNC or WIV researchers would have had to possess the direct SARS-CoV-2 progenitor isolated from another animal—not a bat.
Harrison and Sachs (1) allege that scientists at NIH and elsewhere, including myself and colleagues, conspired to suppress theories of a laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2. This is false. A possible laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2 was discussed in our earlier publications (6, 7)."
"Where did that PRRA polybasic furin cleavage site come from?"
That question, alone, provides 99% certainty to a lab origin to everyone except deeply conflicted virologists, who suddenly lost the ability to reason or behave as a normal, moral person would.
Great work! 👇
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After years of official claims to the contrary, strong new evidence suggests the virus known as SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a Chinese lab. According to multiple sources, the researchers who led gain-of-function research, which increases infectiousness, were the first to be infected.
You posted an article that can not be read by just anyone. So theres no way to reply to it, however, Stan's article was a propaganda piece by GSK and the author sits on the vaccine council that he works for. Conflict if intetest on this is not ok.
You are so far down your vaccine conspiracy rabbit hole, I doubt it is possible to carry on a rational discussion. But I’ll give it one last go…,
a) can you articulate any deficiency in the scientific content of Jesse Bloom’s anaysis of the association of Sars-2 with animal and human DNAs in samples taken from the Huanan wet market?
b) what is your basis for believing that direct zoonotic origin of Sars-2-Cov-2 is well establish v. a possible leak from the WIV or the nearby CCP lab?
c) and how does the specific origin of the virus relate in any way to your specious claims of untoward toxicity of the COVID vaccines?
Honsestly his conflict of interest is enough. Its thr same as Paul Offit's. These people sit on the councils that aporove the products they make koney from.
Plus, James Lyons Weiler is a far superior scientist/ doctor. Hos studies are far more robust and dont include lying for your paycheck.
And Stan... talk to any evolutionary biologist ... they all say the same thing. A jump from animals to humans is extremely unlikely. Think Occam's razor ...
What a crapoy person you are. Conspiracy theories?? Not quite. Both my boys suffered vaccine injuries to thr products he approves, for the patents he holds. Thats not a comspiracy theory... thats conflict of interest. Get your facts strait before you name call
His name is James Lyons Weiler and he has a podcast called "Popular Rationalism". Maybe Off It should take a remedial course in immunology. Cuz clearly he doesn't know as much as he should
Wow... you dont think conflict of interest is a problem. I dont need to read another person's "professional GSK " study. There is ZERO evidence that being seen in nature made it jump to humans ... in fact, it looks sus by a lot . Good luck to you sir. We are not going to agree
Not really. SarsCoV-2 was found in association with human and fish DNA at a higher frequency than of mammalian species that might conceivably have served as vectors. So the DNA association is actually more compatible with the hypothesis that Sars-CoV-2 DNA was brought introduced to the market by humans.
Actually stan.. you missed the conflict of interest page. He sits on thr GSK Vaccine Council. Is this how science is done??? Sit on thr board ans approve your own products ans the fallacies about the origin that caused "Emergency Use Authorization" in the first place. This isnt a good look for anyone in vaccine making. It looks like what it is... a cover up.
Retired RN Infection Preventionist. Was in charge of staff vaccination for a 200 bed hospital; staff and resident vaccination for a 114 bed nursing home; worked 30 community flu clinics as part of the Ohio Medical Reserve.
Doesn't matter WHERE viruses came from. What DOES matter is scientists are able to produce safe, effective vaccines that protect people from serious illness. Those spreading conspiracy theories that cause the public to reject vaccination are ignorant and malicious.
And reject the vaccine garbage they are! Thank you, Covid. You were good for something. The young moms are on to the ruse and are saying no en masse to the utterly preposterous idea that health comes in a vial of chemical sludge we should be shooting up our fragile but otherwise healthy infants with.
You're no health care hero, Cheryl. You and Offit are an abomination to human flourishing.
Albus shitcan response #11 ... gaslighting and name calling. Poor guy cant read ANYTHING except what Paul allows him to read and hes soooooo desperate to be important.
There is ZERO data or reason for my child to have upwards of 70 injections of Lord-knows-what by the time she's 18. The childhood vaccine schedule is, like the good nurse Cheryl here and Dr. Offitt, an abomination that *at best* seeks to make vaccines as profitable as humanly possible as manufacturers cannot be sued directly for injurious products, and at worst seeks to make children chronically ill to also maximize profits as they "treat" those sometimes life-long illnesses.
Similarly, there was never any reason for me, a perfectly healthy then 45 year old woman free of every other pharmaceutical pill or injectable, to have gotten the covid "vaccine" when I was 1.) never at any risk of serious illness 2.) knew the entire time it didn't inhibit transmission and 3.) every other coronavirus vaccine having failed previously due to rapid mutation. That's not even considering what were already well known concerns with mRNA technology.
Beyond this, I personally know several wholly unvaccinated children from babies & toddlers to those now in their teens. They're overall healthier than the vaccinated children, including my own whom I'm certain suffered a serious allergic reaction to DTaP that hospitalized her with oxygen saturation below 70%. I also have a good friend whose son suffered a traumatic brain injury from an aneurysm-like event as a small child -- right after receiving a series of state-required shots required to enter kindergarten.
So, sure, Al, you could say my mind is made up. I didn't trust the Medical Industrial Complex before 2020. Anyone who does now, after the absolute nonsense of the last 3 years will blame their myocarditis, blood clots and turbo cancer on nature and bad luck. How lucky for Pfizer and Moderna.
"manufacturers cannot be sued directly for injurious products, and at worst seeks to make children chronically ill to also maximize profits as they "treat" those sometimes life-long illnesses."
Actually you can directly sue vaccine makers and American's often do sue vaccine makers....and the Court rulings detail how the anti-vaccs are liars and frauds.
"Pamela and Ernest Blackwell, parents and next friends of Jamarr Blackwell, sued the drug manufacturer Wyeth, Inc., its affiliates, and others, alleging that Jamarr’s autism and mental retardation were caused by thimerosal-laden vaccines administered to Jamarr when he was a baby."
If you make any good faith effort you can easily prove to yourself that the anti-vaccs lied to you when they said you can't sue vaccine makers....but I think you won't do so....
"There is ZERO data or reason for my child to have upwards of 70 injections of Lord-knows-what by the time she's 18. "
Actually the exact ingredients must be disclosed by law and are posted on-line....and verified by many independent labs all around the world. We know exactly what is in each vaccine.
By zero data....you mean other than all the US health insurance companies....and all the national healthcare systems in every other developed country that have collected data for many decades demonstrating that the vaccinated are much healthier than the unvaccinated?
There is no question: the anti-vaccs have filled your head with lies.
The only question is do you care enough to look at the facts?
And thats how you know its AI. Bc we all know you cant sue. Off it... you better pray for your own soul and make amends ... otherwise looks like yoir new name may be LUCIFER
Misogynistic response #4 ... ICYMI... albus is having a mental breakdown, not able to take the same crapola he gives ... trolls seem to have a very very sensitive system when it comes to handling the truth. Guess your place belongs on HELL then.
I do think there isn't a pit deep and dark and terrible enough in Hell for a parent that has the opportunity to protect their children from medical fraud....but chooses not to.
But hey, that is just me.....I actually care about all children...even yours.
" SARS-CoV-2, on the other hand, has killed almost 1.2 million people in the United States". That is not true, Dr. Offit. The death figures were grossly exaggerated. The PCR test that was used to confirm diagnoses of SARS-2 infection was deeply flawed in a number of ways that increased deaths. State public health officers made it clear any person with a positive PCR test at the time of death who died of a clear alternative cause was listed as a Covid death.
Also your claim that "abundant evidence now proves that SARS-CoV-2 virus was an animal-to-human spillover event that occurred in the western section of the Huanan Wholesale Seafood Market in late 2019" is also incorrect. On February 20, 2020, I proved the virus could not have entered the human population through natural zoonotic spillover. I will be happy to explain my reasoning if you would like. Just say the word. Perhaps you could do a post where you present evidence for natural zoonotic spillover and I attempt to refute it directly and with my proof. What would be ideal, though would be a live debate covering two issues; 1) the number actually killed by COVID-19 in the United States and 2) the mechanism by which the SARS-2 virus entered the human population. Was it through natural zoonotic spillover as you contend or from a laboratory. We would conduct this debate in a spirit of helpfulness and could livestream and record it for the public's benefit.
This will surely help you:
COVID was designed as a primer for even more lethal COVID haccines:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/the-real-covid-timeline
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/not-vaccine-not-gene-therapy-just
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/what-do-bioweapons-have-to-do-with
- Wake up videos:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/wake-up-videos
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/2050-youll-go-nowhere-and-youll-be
Weaponization of vaccines:
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/vaxxed-v-unvaxxed/
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depopulation-or-extermination
https://scientificprogress.substack.com/p/depop-vaccines-no-myth
Thank you Professor. My 2.20.2020 proof is true to a degree of 7.7 x 10 ^114 to 1. But I'll have all of your references in my six shooter the night of the debate (if he agrees). Thank you.
Contact your congressional and state representatives... some of them have been open to moving some of these challenges forward. Dr. Ladapo in Florida for example. Ultimately through legal liability or through laws seem to be our most important routes to justice and truth, public health and safety.
I would like to see the CDC and FDA and HHS shut down and defunded.
I now seriously doubt that they have done ANYTHING in the public interest in the past 30 years.
Unfortunately, he will ignore your invitation for a debate.
You're probably right, Jack
But you never know.
He has too much to loose. It would become clear to anyone listening that the emperor has no cloths.
Most people understand that scientists don't spend their days debating with kooks....
hey albus, still making excuses for 'esteemed scientists' to avoid debating other MD & PhDs with differing opinions...in december 2023.
are you up to date on your shots, you know the 1 that less than 10% of the USA is taking?
are you still clinging to its a vaccine not a gene therapy?
despite the makers stating in legal documents: "Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA."
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"In the EU, mRNA has been characterized as a Gene Therapy Medicinal Product. "
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"the classification of some of our mRNA investigational medicines as gene therapies in the United States, the EU and potentially other counties..."
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000119312518323562/d577473ds1.htm
in the SEC filing, Moderna also discloses:
"Our contracts with DARPA, BARDA, and the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation..."
but Moderna collaborating with the DoD...that's just a conspiracy theory only believed by kooks!
i know reading is not your strong suit, but give the document a read - you may learn something...like how these products work:
"When a cell needs to produce a protein, the instructions to make that protein are copied from the DNA to mRNA, which serves as the template for protein production. Each mRNA molecule contains the instructions to produce a specific protein with a distinct function in the body. mRNA transmits those instructions to cellular machinery, called ribosomes, that make copies of the required protein."
but there isnt any danger in 'instructing' human cells to make a non human protein right?
"the classification of SOME of our mRNA investigational medicines as gene therapies in the United States, "
Most people have the basic reading skills to understand the word "some".
And most people can read your link and see that the comments about gene therapy applied to their gene therapy products....and not their vaccines.
One of the points here is that the anti-vacc liars prey upon folks that are just too stupid to read.
Awesome!!!!
And real scientists don't live in information bubbles. Dr. Sheftall is far from a "kook", and would lay bare the incompetence and possible malfeasance that drove the pandemic response. Offit would look like a fool.
Please....suggesting such a debate is completely kooky.
And this is simple: if you have proof of malfeasance, then sue and make your claim in Court where perjury applies.
If you make lots of for profit with inflammatory, kooky claims--but won't make them under oath--then you are just a scammer.
Dr Offit not going beyond 3 shots tells you all you need to know. He’s realizing he’s going to have to wait potentially years to see what he has gotten himself into. Lucky for him he’s over 70, imagine some 5 year old with this hanging over his head (and parents’ heads) for decades. It is a total experiment where this is going, it’s not defined by a law of nature like gravity. Escalating IgG4 levels with each round of shots, spike proteins that don’t say in the shoulder as promised or disappear a short time later. These shots are garbage, you know it but maybe your pay check depended on going down with the ship.
Who is the kook and who is the scientist?
Dr. Offit is a world class scientist.
I think anyone that thinks science questions should be determined by debated with unqualified people....
And that anyone that believes anything that Yeadon says is at best a kook
"SARS-CoV-2, on the other hand, has killed almost 1.2 million people in the United States". That is not true, Dr. Offit. The death figures were grossly exaggerated. "
According to life insurance companies the true number of deaths is higher than reported.
I gather you have no actual training in statistics or virology or analytical chemistry....
Albus, you still haven't backed up your claim. In 30 minutes, I'm going to defend myself in a new comment. Why haven't you backed up that claim?
Since you seem unclear on the concept....I do have a personal life and was off line the last couple of days.
And I note that you are silent on the life insurance industry experience that actual covid deaths are much higher than the reported numbers.
Albus, please tell me why you wrote that I was unqualified to debate Paul Offit. I requested you back up your claim more than a day ago and reminded you 5 hours ago. Still no word.
Albus shitcan reaponse #22... try harder little engine that couldnt
Yes, you have explained that you won't look at the facts--but that doesn't change them!
SCREAM it louder Ablus, doesnt change that your "facts" dont add up to anyone who's not in kn the cover up.
"Bad boys Bad boys,
Whatcha gonna do
Whatcha gonna do when they come for you?"
House of cards is falling, and everyone knows where to look.
The facts that you won't read even to protect your children...
Thank you for your reply.
Thank you, Tom. Eventually he will agree to debate someone.
Your complete incompetence at being able to defend yourself with “science” is abysmal. You should be removed ... as the mother of two vaccine injured children... I watch you annually sacrifice more of our children from profits at the ACIP meeting where you weigh in on your own vaccines. How ANYONE thinks you have any credibility is beyond me. My two boys were vaccine injured by the products you approve. I hold you to account for that... and may god on mercy on your pathetic soul.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/b/excipient-table-2.pdf
Offit recused himself when his rotavirus vaccine was discussed by ACIP.
Vaccines have saved the lives of millions of American children.
Ans harm many more ...
Absolutely no evidence for that claim.
Look deeper, Mike. He had already crossed the line re: conflict of interest. But that is completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand.
The discussion was the benefits of vaccines. So yes, potential conflict of interest re Rotavirus vaccine and Offit sitting on the ACIP is irrelevant. If you have evidence the (rota) vaccines don’t work, please present it.
I didn't address whether the rotavirus vaccines work or not. I was just helping the discussion by pointing out something that appeared to be unknown to the commenters. My participation in this comment section centers on two claims Dr. Offit made that I think are false. hey had nothing to do with his vaccine.
Here is the point I wanted to make: Mike. You accidently described where he committed the "crime." He should not have been involved in approving the other rotaviruses. That is a flagrant conflict of interest because when one type of rotavirus vaccine gets approved, that makes it much more likely that the as-yet-to-be-considered rotavirus vaccines will be approved. I know it sounds strange but it is true. See the Stanley Plotkin deposition where this issue is conceded by Dr. Plotkin. By the way, I'm not an antivaxxer by the old definition. The new def makes 90% of the people in Colorado, for example, antivaxxers. I will say that they haven't been tested properly.
It matters that a person with a vaccine patent sits on ACIP, the council that approves vaccines is BIASED.
I referred you to ethicists so you could understand....but you refused to learn.
Most people won't miss the irony.
News for you buddy… Offit recused himself from voting on his own vaccine, and approved the alternative rotavaccines made by his “competitors”!
Mike. You accidently described where he committed the "crime." He should not have been involved in approving the other rotaviruses. That is a flagrant conflict of interest because when one type of rotavirus vaccine gets approved, that makes it much more likely that the as-yet-to-be-considered rotavirus vaccines will be approved. I know it sounds strange but it is true. See the Stanley Plotkin deposition where this issue is conceded by Dr. Plotkin. By the way, I'm not an antivaxxer by the old definition. The new def makes 90% of the people in Colorado, for example, antivaxxers. I will say that they haven't been tested properly.
“Crime”? 😄
I’m sorry but ensuring someone else’s vaccine is approved instead of your own is not a “conflict of interest”.
An imaginary one, yes.
As for the patent, this was taken out in the name of the children’s hospital so that any payments went to them and not to him.
That's why I wrote the word crime in quotes.
It IS a conflict of interest because it makes it much more likely that yours will be approved. You're just wrong there. Look it up and watch the deposition. When the lawyer taking the deposition from Dr. Plotkin asks him if it was a conflict of interest for Dr. Offit to be voting on the approval of a Rotavirus vaccine when he had one up for consideration, Dr Plotkin said, "Yes". Then they discussed why. They both said it was because it would make it more likely that their (Offit's and Plotkin's) Rotavirus vaccine would be approved. If you don't understand this, there isn't much else I can do .
I didn't address who received the royalties for the vaccine.
Why the hostility?
I don’t know, so I’m asking, how do you prove your last statement?
"I watch you annually sacrifice more of our children from profits at the ACIP meeting where you weigh in on your own vaccines"
I take great comfort from the fact that anyone that is functionally literate can see that is a lie.....but apparently that is the best you can do.
Albus... shitcan response # 21 - I think he camt stand being attacked back.
Calling me a liar is like calling snow black.
But for you... par for the course
I don't think I have every called you a liar.
I have proven that you keep posting really, really, really stupid anti-vacc lies.
And I have said I think it is just too psychologically painful for you to look and see how the anti-vaccs have lied to you.
Your AI programming calls me a liar at every other post ... again... nice try to cover your butt Offit ...
And hilarious to boot!!!
Yet you couldn't give one example where I called you a liar.
And no, I don't think you were lying in your posting. I think you just don't have the literacy skills to understand what I actually post.
I don't have to. People can just look through his posts and see it for themselves, and the part when your AI programming is in error.
Dr. Offit, you were not elected to your position. How dare you malign a duly elected Representative of our government? Obviously, you think you are above the elected representatives, and that YOU run the country. And science.
Wake up sir. It is OVER. Your time is over.
The vaccines are not effective and not safe. The wholesale withholding of medicines that would have stopped it in its track was done so that the only option was a genetic untested therapy that had never been used in humans before.
There is over 10 years of patents on this man made virus - and you know full well you cannot patent nature.
And there are 20 years of how slowly and carefully and under the radar the Cares and Prep acts and other laws were passed elminating informed consent.
The lies are out in the open. We see. And we see you.
Dr Fauci tried to patent the SARS sequence, but it was rejected, because SARS was represented to be a "natural" virus. He then utilized another PTO procedure that required hefty fees and keeps the patent confidential (national security trade secrets and military countermeasures). Anyone wanting to do research on SARS has to apply for permission, be vetted by NIH and sign NDAs.
Dr. Offit, you have access to VAERS; there are several other databases you can access that the public cannot. There are FOIA'd records from Pfizer and Moderna that are posted publicly that show the morbidity and mortality just from the very short term "trials." I suggest you need to review those. The Medicare records show 40,000 people DIED within a month of receiving the "Covid-19 vaccines."
Well done !
Tell us, how many Americans would usually be expected to die every month?
(By that metric, it seems Covid vaccines prevent death)
Good question. If I recall correctly, the CDC posts those stats, I think quarterly... I recall the CDC posting those in 2020 and 2021 in the typical straight forward manner they always had. The stats may have gotten dicey after that. Not much help, I am sorry I do not have the urls right at hand.
The answer, which is readily available, is that over 240,000 people usually die each month in the US.
Vaccination against Covid would seem to be linked to a lower death rate than expected.
Nope, faulty logic
...and those stats showed a big launch of excess deaths accruing about 5 months into 2021
Oh sweeetie....you still just can't count.
Albus is trying on his misogyny... Real men don't troll mothers whose children are vaccine injured ... only intellectuals who cant get their hand off it do.
Good thing I put the Court rulings right in front of your eyes so you would see that your children were NOT vaccine injured....you are just victims of anti-vacc fraud doing great evil to you family.
I still have hope for you. Some day you will care enough to look.
1. facts are not maligning.
2. instead of just repeating anti-vacc lies, why don't you try reading?
Patents are public knowledge--the claim there are 10 years of patents on the virus is a lie.
https://patents.google.com/
The mRNA vaccines are NOT therapies and they are NOT untested--more lies.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/comirnaty
And the technology had been used before in humans--just another lie.
First human attempt to use the technology was in 2013.
Ref: Nature Reviews Drug Discovery. 13 (10): 759–80
Thing is, once you start looking, the anti-vacc lies are very obvious.
why did moderna make the following statements in its 2018 SEC filing...if mrna therapies are not gene therapies but are vaccines as you claim:
"Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA."
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"In the EU, mRNA has been characterized as a Gene Therapy Medicinal Product. "
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"the classification of some of our mRNA investigational medicines as gene therapies in the United States, the EU and potentially other counties..."
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000119312518323562/d577473ds1.htm
Once again the bar here is understanding the word "some".
As anyone that is functionally literate will see some, of their products are gene therapies....they are called gene therapies.....and some are vaccines.
I really appreciate your continued public service in demonstrating that one truly has to be a moron to fall for the anti-vacc lies.
keep talking. you are showing how empty the pro covid shot argument is.
if you are a good little rule follower, you should have 5 or 6 shots by now. i hope you followed pfizer's advice and got your rsv & flu shots at the same time!
show us what an advocate you are for these products and post your covid vax card.
you know, the one that only conspiracy theorist kooks said was likely to come to fruition, which tyrannically was adopted by multiple countries and some city municipalities in the USA + used to deny people life saving organ transplants only to be jettisoned and attempted to be forgotten after Ms Small's testimony representing pfizer in front of the EU parliament in which she said pfizer 'moved at the speed of science' so they didnt have time to test for the products ability to interrupt transmission.
not even offit is taking this latest shot. blasphemy, he didnt take the bivalent booster either! and he is 70+ yrs old - in a high risk category for covid.
is offit an anti-vaccer too?
No surprise.
Just like the anti-vaccs prey upon folks not smart enough to understand the word "some".
They prey upon folks that just can't read the definition of the word vaccine and see that they DON'T stop transmission.
Thanks again for demonstrating the anti-vacc fraud really does take willful stupidity.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=26-USC-222761909-1963936815&term_occur=999&term_src=
I’d be willing to bet the vast majority who took that dangerous shot, would not have done so if the propaganda campaign had also stated this shot will not stop transmission in the beginning.
!! i didnt know, albus. the covid mrna 'vaccines' PREVENT the disease covid 19 caused by the sars-co-v-2 virus?
"Vaccine The term “vaccine” means any substance designed to be administered to a human being for the prevention of 1 or more diseases."
so if basically everyone who has taken multiple doses of the mrna shots from pfizer & moderna...and still gets the disease covid 19 - are these a successful vaccine?
did the dosed, just not take enough of the product to PREVENT the disease?
all the name calling really hurts my feelings.
"Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA."
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"In the EU, mRNA has been characterized as a Gene Therapy Medicinal Product. "
https://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/1682852/000119312518323562/d577473ds1.htm
Oh dear.....mRNA is not the same thing as mRNA vaccine.
Words actually matter....your quote comes from a section that starts at the bottom of page 26.
In big bold letters so no honest person could miss it.....they clearly explain they are discussing their gene therapy products....NOT their vaccines.
Are you trying to make the anti-vaccs look foolish??
lol, this is total bullshit and if you dont know it - its no wonder you are on your ___ dose of these therapeutics. be proud albus, shame the anti-vaxers by touting how many doses you've taken and look no harm!
all mrna based therapies have a common modality. it is summarized on page 119 - search for: mRNA, the software of life
"mRNA is used by every cell to produce all proteins" - the mrna is read by cell's ribosomes which then assemble amino acids into the encoded protein.
"In every cell, hundreds of thousands of mRNAs make hundreds of millions of proteins every day."
its the same for their therapeutics and vaccines - the differences are the therapeutic aim (oncology, infectious disease, etc) and what proteins the mrna instructs the patients' cells to make.
for the dummy who constantly disparages people as - even a 5th grader can read/comprehend...your confidence in your opinion pales in comparison to your scientific comprehension of these products.
please enlighten the world, whats the difference btw moderna's mrna gene therapies and its mrna vaccines?
When you catch them in lies....
Agreed Whydidn't is lying....but seriously one has to have staggeringly bad reading skills to fall for his lies!
Anti vac tally begins today friends !!! Lets count the number of shitcan Albus ans Mike S responses!! Cuz you know... they are so very clever. Buckle up boys.
Let's remember that Paula told us these issues are important for her children's health.
Now let's count the number of times Paula will read the words to protect her own children.
Oh wait...she already told us that she will not actually read the facts.
Bahahahahah... my childreb ARE protected by functional medicine, and their own immune systems ... get help for your anger management issues , Albus
Exposing your children to medical fraud isn't protecting them.
See....that is why you offer lots of scatological attacks....but refuse to read the words.
Deep in your heart....you know you have failed your children....you just aren't ready yet to admit it.
Albus shit can response #13 brings the "anti-vac" tally to 3 so far , and gaslighting for all he's worth... and STILL falling short of a full load.
Aw sweetie you already explained you won't actually read any words!
Folks that do read the words will see the truth:
1. the anti-vaccs are liars
2. it takes willful stupidity to believe the anti-vacc lies.
So in another AI amoral post by Offit , the post says you didnt call me a liar. And here it is.. AI to gaslight everyone who doesnt agree with you. albus the obvious strikes again!!!
Once again your basic reading skills have failed you.
I know this is beyond your ability to comprehend, but I did NOT call you a liar.
Why haven’t you debated Steve Kirsch again? If you’re so sure and you have the data... you should be able to wipe the floor with him. But you can’t, can you?
https://youtu.be/EYHPED0r9Uw?si=5zhTH-0K8vm8yFrt
So you missed the part in 5th grade where the scientific method was explained...so you understand what scientists do.
Big hint: it is not giving Steve more marketing so he can scam more from fools.
Albus shit can response #15 ...
So yes...you still just can't post at the 5th grade level....
Thats your bullying you're talking about... but then narcissts are like that. Oh well
Please get a dictionary and look up big words like narcissist and bullying
Oh no darlin, you started it. We have a word for those who cam dish it out but not take it ; COWARDS.
My first posting to you is still here....once again you just can't get the words correct.
He deleted the commetb bc he acknowledges that I'm correct in showing that he makes Off It look bad.
What comment was deleted?
You’re right, he cant!
Steve was completely thrashed by Avi Bitterman in a live debate. He still hasn’t paid Avi the $10k that he owes him.
https://medium.com/microbial-instincts/debunking-steve-kirschs-latest-claims-97e1c40f5d74
Actually he was not ... feel free to your own opinion ... if yoh can even make one?
You didn't read the link did you?
Can't have any real information enter your mind!
Why would anyone want your information in their mind ??? GROSS ...
Silly rabbit.
It isn't my information!
Please try and work on your basic reading skills.
Here’s some more information for you sir since you seem
Completely uninterested in the truth of how vaccines can injure and maim people. This is an established fact otherwise we wouldn’t have a compensation “court” that’s really not a court in the first place. How many western docs are willfully blind at this point. How many more children will suffer Paul?
Courts shouldn’t be the arbiter of science, really.
But you remember the “vaccine court” I hope? ….Does the “Autism Omnibus” ring any bells?
…you know, the one which looked at autism and childhood vaccines and found no evidence for a link?
Actually, that was debunked over and over again. Head on over to Del Bigtree or Children's Health defense. Its all right there for you read ...
FYI... you should read Vaccine Court by Wayne Rhode. He exolains it well. On average, the cost of court is 5 million and 8 years ... and bc its not a court you can not appeal the decision. All vaccine manufacturers before covid were and are felons, paying the fed govt millions of dollars for fraudulently presenting their data. In a real court of law, like the ones they paid fines for, that would be evidence for the people making their claims, and that is even if your claims can be heard.
Often, people who have not studied the horrendous consequences of liability free vaccination, or havent exeperienced it themselves make themselves look foolish in their responses. We are talking about children being maimed and harmed and in some cases, murdered by the "vaccines" that are supposed to help them. Its callwd SIDS and now we have SADS.
You need to do better research.
Thanks proving that Bigtree...CHD...Rhode are just anti-vacc liars preying upon folks too stupid to read.
1. Here is the vaccine court....it is the US Court of Federal Claims:
https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
"bc its not a court"
That is a lie...but one has to be willfully stupid to believe it.
2. "you can not appeal the decision."
Yes you can appeal, that is right in the law. Another anti-vacc lie predicated on folks being too stupid to read.
Here is an example of a case that was appealed....and the anti-vaccs are exposed as morons....little more than tossing feces at a wall hoping something will stick.
"Appeal from the United States Court of Federal Claims in 98-VV-916,"
https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/cedillo.fedcir.pdf
3. "All vaccine manufacturers before covid were and are felons, paying the fed govt millions of dollars for fraudulently presenting their data. "
I have already asking for some examples....but none have been posted....apparently just another anti-vacc lie
4. " Its callwd SIDS and now we have SADS."
I have already proven to you that the claims about SADS is a lie.....here again are the ICD codes.
https://icd.who.int/browse10/2019/en
5. "people who have not studied the horrendous consequences of liability free vaccination, "
They still aren't liability free.
American's can and do sue vaccine makers.
And the vaccines cause autism fraud is well detailed in Court rulings.
"Pamela and Ernest Blackwell, parents and next friends of Jamarr Blackwell, sued the drug manufacturer Wyeth, Inc., its affiliates, and others, alleging that Jamarr’s autism and mental retardation were caused by thimerosal-laden vaccines administered to Jamarr when he was a baby."
https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
Hard to believe Paula.....but there are some parents out there that would rather close their eyes and post mindless scatological attacks....
Then to read the words and see that anti-vacc liars have done great evil to their families....
See the divide?
Most folks will look at the links below and see how stupid the anti-vacc lies are.....
Then there are folks like you.
If your “research” consists of listening to Dell Bigtree, then I feel sorry for you.
If your listening to the likes of offit, or the cdc, I feel sorry for you too friend. Ian is it?
The reasons for the Court are public knowledge.
The only thing established here is your complete disregard for the facts.
Hey Albus... we've got you AI BOTS categorized in 3 " programmed " shitcan responses : Gaslight, name call, hypocrite, and we're taking a tally on how many times you fit in Anti -vac into your comments ... poor Albus has his head stuck so far up his own hinder ...
Poor sweetie....one day you will remember your love for your children and read the words....
The love for my children shows in their radiant health aftwr recovering them from dtap vaccine injuries Albus. Poor man... are you a man? Do you identify as one cuz bud... you have entirely missed the mark.
Fact is that I put the court ruling right in front of your eyes that demonstrate how your children's "injuries" are just flat out lies and gross fraud.
You refused to read the words.
No court ruling. Another Albus FAILURE, or actually AI failure.
Albus shitcan response #19 gaslighting as if he knows the truth!!
Your mad because you were caught again making things up....
No one is mad. Well maybe yiu are for your responses... mad as in the Hatter, that is
Right...there has been a huge line of scatological and sexual attacks because you anti-vaccs aren't mad
Looking forward to buying this book. A chronicle of a parallel dimension it seems, in which scientific discourse is an SNL parody. Thanks for writing it.
Failing.
https://open.substack.com/pub/vigilantfox/p/in-2014-300-scientists-warned-anthony?r=tx76t&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
"Now, it is widely accepted that COVID-19 originated from that very lab in Wuhan, China. The 300 scientists were right when they said Anthony Fauci would start a global pandemic."
Did you notice all the evidence provided to support that?
Yeah, all three hundred scientists were wrong, you’re smarter than all three hundred.
From getting sick, what sickness? Where would they get this sickness from?
From being infected by covid-19 SARS virus....
So if I’m vaccinated I don’t need to worry about wearing a stupid mask in the presence of others who are vaccinated, because none of us are going to get sick. We don’t need to worry about those who were too dumb to avoid the shot. I mean if we’re going to thin the herd, we need start with the dumbest wouldn’t you agree?
So, if you understand percentages....our kids learned them in 5th grade....you will see your error and understand why every country laughs at the anti-vacc BS.
You mean the folks that offered zero evidence.....
The problem with a shill is they tend to lie just like the industry they shill for. Pfizer admitted they never tested their garbage product to find out if it stopped transmission, and told the world that it was ninety five percent effective. Effective at what?
Recap:
1. You changed the subject--it was how your link just made things up.
2. Of course Pfizer didn't test for stopping transmission. Vaccines don't stop transmission--that is just an old anti-vacc lie predicated on folks being too clueless to read.
3. ~95% effective at stopping people from getting sick. Too bad you didn't bother to read the studies.
Was it your goal to demonstrate that the anti-vacc fraud is predicated on folks not reading?
Hogwash!!!
All of it
3. ~95% effective at stopping people from getting sick. Too bad you didn't bother to read the studies.
From getting sick, what sickness? Where would they get this sickness from?
They never defined the terms ...
If you bothered to read the links you would learn they do define the terms....but clearly your POV requires willful ignorance.
Albus shit can response #14 ... man ... you have one black soul huh. Keep on tryin little buddy... someday you too can grow into a realy boy.
You are just mad because I read anti-vaccs links and point out facts.
Lacking facts....or reason.....or integrity....you are left with nothing but scatological attacks.
Apparently you really, really, just can't do any better.
Apparently... its Paul Offit that cant do any better.
Misogyny, mansplaining, hypocritical and lying.
Wow... my hero
It would help you a lot if you stopped with the scatological attacks and worked on your basic reading skills
Dr. Offit,
MTG. Of all the people offering serious, reasonable, and data-backed critique of the Covid vaccine, you choose MTG to argue against.
Where is the rigor and skepticism shown in your book "Overkill" where you pushed against consensus science on testosterone, overuse of aspirin, full-course antibiotic theory, and rejected the AAP recommendations for exposing young children to tree nuts?
I have to wonder if you are even aware of all the counterfactual evidence disproving nonsense papers like Common Wealth Trusts "The vaccines saved 3 million people"?
How is it possible that the vaccines saved 3 million in the US (for reference that is the total number of annual deaths) - yet all cause mortality was unchanged in 2020 and 2021 in the US? ( 3,433,842 vs. 3,449,444)?
Why did mortality increase significantly in so many countries *after* vaccination campaigns rolled out? Australia ad a 15% mortality increase in 2022. South Korea +26%. Norway, Denmark, Germany, Canada, Finland, Israel all immensely vaccinated, all had mortality higher in 2022 than 2021, and higher in 2021 than 2020. How can this be so when you cite this paper showing the US "saved" 3 million lives by vaccinating even less than those countries?
https://imgur.com/olFsMjk
Now, if the countries that didn't vaccinate had deaths explode even higher, then we could consider this papers hypothesis. If we use the model this paper proposes and apply to other countries, you would expect Bulgaria had +100% deaths year-over-year in 2022 rather than falling closer to pre-pandemic baseline. You would expect low vaccinated Iowa to have more excess deaths than high vaccinated Vermont, but instead they have identical excess deaths (14%). North Dakota and South Dakota have very different vaccination rates, identical outcome. The counterfactuals are endless, and despite this, you bring a model to the table for evidence? Dr Paul Offit relying on a model and a terrible observational study? The world is upside down.
https://imgur.com/a/e9XGTfU
Given that Covid exploded in every single highly vaccinated country, nearly half have had deaths *increase* after Covid vaccines, the other half flat (and a handful like Italy and France "dead cat bounce"), and we see no association between all cause mortality and vaccination level at the state level - why not consider the obvious - that we made something closer to 1960's RSV failure than Varicella or MMR?
We've never been good at flu vaccines. We never were able to make a Corona vaccine despite trying for decades. The exact problem Ralph Baric had with his attempts at making Covid vaccines - his vaccines made his mice more susceptible to variants and he couldn't figure out why (similar to 1960 RSV vaccine failure).
Looking at the raw data, it reflects the challenge Baric had, not the optimism of Welcome Trust models.
(PS Don't think you bother reading comments, but appreciate you leaving them open)
Well done!!
Couldn't that just be, because with mass-vaccinations, societies and economies opened up again?
I think these two things have been massively correlated in time.
Because the vaccines were not as perfect as hoped, as other mitigations (combined)apparently were.
The downside of those mitigations was that soceity and the economy were quite closed down. Their upside was , that if society opend up again, there would be more people left to run it.
So people got vaccinated, mitigations were lifted, societies and economies opened up, and yes people started dying more.
But thanks to the vaccines in much less massive droves then they would have done without vaccination.
In the meantime not so much the unvaccinated people (i know anti-vaxers who are for this very reason even stronger with other mitigations), but those who totally refused to adapt to a new disease/reality in any way, not only kept dying more as they had done all this time, but maybe even more (i can imagine) because now all the others tóó had lifted all mitigating restrictions, after having been vaccinated, which made the disease go round more freely, to the even greater detriment of those unvaccinated.
That a growing proportion of deaths were vaccinated people is just (or at least also) the logical result of a growing proportion of the population vaccinated in combination with vaccines not being perfect.
Enter higher death rates post-mass-vaccination.
That was my original hypothesis, but that can be falsified several ways. As a reminder, the Welcome Trust paper proposes without vaccination there would be a 100% increase in deaths.
Thankfully we have a number of examples we can test that hypothesis:
1) Nordic Countries - All reopened by early summer 2020, including sending kids back to school in Spring 2020. They also had the lowest mask use in the entire world, but aside from +10% mortality in Sweden, the other countries had no increase in excess deaths *until* they started vaccinating. So how could it be the countries that reopened the earliest didn't have mortality skyrocket in 2020 before the vaccines? Denmark had 55K deaths in 2020, according to the Welcome Trust Model they should have had 110K.
2) Differences between US states that opened quickly had identical results compared to the states that locked down the hardest. Iowa, South Dakota, Georgia, all predicted to have a disaster, all had unremarkable results compared to California, Michigan, New England, etc.
3) Africa. Didn't participate in Covid, didn't mask, social distance, or vaccinate. The West predicted absolute disaster would strike, yet nothing happened. New York Times can't figure out why
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/23/health/covid-africa-deaths.html
There is a reason models are among the lowest tier of evidence, especially the ones which can be rapidly falsified.
Welcome Trust model is nonsense.
Okay..i would have to look in to that..
with mitigations in Nordic countries, i can imagine that it was not total lifting-or-not, but somehow partly or targeted lifting/doing of some mitigations, in line with fluctuating local circumstances, or so..Until after vaccination. Then mitigations were totally lifted..
But i would have to look in to that..
Also into the other things. Interesting anyway..
On Africa,
(Unfortanately the NYT article was not accessible for me.)
I found e.g. this article from 2 1/2 years ago.
Also no defintive answers there. A couple of suggestions/hypotheses. Also in the comments.
(The young demographic seems to me the most straightforward explanation.)
https://theconversation.com/the-impact-of-covid-19-has-been-lower-in-africa-we-explore-the-reasons-164955
Also links to several studies for more ninformation.
There have been all different kinds of mandated or recommended restrictions in the Nordic countries thoughout 2020.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9356530/
Also the people by themselve were very cautious (empty trains and such).
In practice even Sweden has not been as unrestricted as the US in practice i think has been.
(But of this i'm not sure..)
"How is it possible that the vaccines saved 3 million in the US (for reference that is the total number of annual deaths) - yet all cause mortality was unchanged in 2020 and 2021 in the US? ( 3,433,842 vs. 3,449,444)?"
There are these people called statisticians that can explain your questions.
Albus shit can response #10 ... ohhh be careful ... you dont want to hurt yourself thinkjng now do ya... it shows
Did you change your handle?
And why exactly do you not want to learn the facts from actual scientists?????
This is a very simple statistical problem.
If you make the claim “my rain dance is why it rained the next day”
And I perform the rain dance, don’t get rain, and my neighbor doesn’t perform the rain dance, but does get rain... I’m gonna suspect your rain dance is pseudoscience
It is a bit of a complex question to answer...but from your BS reply I don't think you have any honest interest in understanding.
Rather than being smug, why not attempt to answer it? And count how many degrees of freedom it requires to maintain the hypothesis.
OK...I can't be complete in a comment box, but I can give you a good start.
All-cause mortality is complex. It increases in a pandemic for many reasons.
Some--such as mental health and substance abuse problems--tend to get worse as time goes by. So, deaths from these problems will increase as the months go by.
But the basic principle is always the same:
You compare vaccinated vs unvaccinated people who otherwise have the same risk factors.
Clear?
Thankfully we can breakdown cause of death through CDC wonder in the US, so can subtract out deaths from mental health.
We have countries with 100% vaccination rates, such as South Korea, which had all cause mortality double spring 2022.
Critics of the vaccine claim it was due to the vaccine, I’m not so sure, I temporize the vaccine was simply ineffective. Yet you are arguing that the 70,000 deaths were from the unvaccinated in South Korea, despite there not even being 70,000 unvaccinated adults in SK.
I agree we should be able to compare unvaccinated with vaccinated but none of these studies make a strong attempt to do so.
In any case, when you have overwhelming evidence at population levels showing country after country, having high mortality and not correlated to vaccine update, you no longer even need observational studies to show what we knew from the beginning - vaccines against respiratory viruses are near impossible to make - and the fact that the fastest to market vaccine in history failed May suggest the 10-15 years a typical vaccine requires can’t be “warp speeded” after all.
https://open.substack.com/pub/stevekirsch/p/data-from-us-medicare-and-the-new?r=15f7tc&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Yes, Steve claims he has proof of genocide.....but he still won't sue and make his claims in Court.
No surprise since a jury of 10-year-olds would convict him of perjury.
Albus shitcan reaponse # 17 gaslighting through claiming intellectual superiority.. ..
bhhhaahhhaahahahahajajha
wow nice try.
Oh sweetie....
If Steve can really stop genocide....but doesn't do so.....he would have to be a truly evil person.
Oh wait...his proof is complete BS......
Thanks for alerting us to this “Congressional hearing” or conclave of elected officials all of whom deplore the existence of the federal government. The pronounced irony of that very FACT seems to escape many who traffic in conspiracy theories. My concern, Dr. Offitt, is that so many folks who criticize them do so using using language such as “clown car” which only makes them more militant in their positions and, more alarmingly, diminishes the importance of what these folks are doing to the average reader’s understanding of what is being done to the democratic norms and values that knit our democracy together. They are insidiously tearing away the fabric of our democracy and the Enlightenment values so critical to the advances democracies have made in a large part of the Western world.
political circus at its core, devoid of facts, but providing a forum to the conspiracy-seeking far right's ideology
Oh BOT Carol... how many AI Bots does a man need if he's got the truth on his side? You realize people are catching on, right?
Personal attacks are a poor substitute for facts or reason or integrity.....
But apparently that is the very best you have to offer....
Albus shitcan reaponse #29 ... hypocrite gaslighting
You should really send Pfizer a bill.....you are personally increasing sales of the vaccines!
Probably not. Those people that speak trucker, farmer, and blue collar know exactly what im doing. You on the other hand... are CLUELESS.
Silly rabbit....yes, the fraudsters prey upon folks don't understand basic science.
I stopped reading at "Marjorie Taylor Greene had already made a name for herself by claiming that Jewish space lasers had caused wildfires in California..." She never made any such claim about "Jewish space lasers". Do better Dr. Offit.
https://forward.com/fast-forward/536705/marjorie-taylor-greene-donald-trump-jr-podcast-jewish-space-lasers/?amp=1
I can picture Tommy Flanagan (SNL) sitting next to MTG saying “Hunter Biden that’s the ticket”
So far only see one anti-vax troll in the comments. Not bad considering Dr. Offit released this a couple hours ago. Makes blocking much easier. Bye , bye Jursy Gurl.
Oh man ... Janet Bot ... are you also on the Offit payroll? You know that she got kicked off ... bc she was posting the science to show the lies he’s telling.
You say anti-vax like it’s a bad thing. People should be anti anything that harms children. I take it you’re not.
You know what? I never thought of that! And you're RIGHT! Thank you.
Oh and FYI ... block me too.
Done and reported
Goood.. be sure to report Albus as well. You know ... the amoral misogynist trying to cover Paul's hinder ...
Bc if you report me why arent you reporting Albus ?
I haven't offered any scatological attacks....
Done!
Good comments, except for your doctrinaire adherence to the Wuhan wet market animal to human spill-over hypothesis - for which, in fact, there is very little evidence. Fact is, we may never know the specific origin of Sars-CoV-2 with any degree of certainty.
The actual evidence does point to the wet market, the so called lab leak is tenuous at best. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00998-y
You cannot have a furin cleavage site in one coronovirus but not the rest.
That in and of itself is hard proof it was made in a lab.
Awesome post
https://www.pnas.org/doi/full/10.1073/pnas.2211107119
"After commenting about the “unusual nature” of the SARS-CoV-2 FCS, Harrison and Sachs (1) then argue the opposite. With regard to our earlier publication (7), they write, “In fact, the assertion that the FCS in SARS-CoV-2 has an unusual, nonstandard amino acid sequence is false.” We made no such assertion. Rather, we noted that the SARS-CoV-2 FCS is “suboptimal.” We also noted, correctly, that placing the insertion out of frame would be “an unusual and needlessly complex feat of genetic engineering.”
The immediate proximal ancestor of SARS-CoV-2 did not come directly from a bat to a human, but first evolved in an intermediate host. Two related lineages of SARS-CoV-2—lineage A and lineage B—first infected humans via the wildlife trade at the Huanan Market in Wuhan (9, 10). For the ENaC hypothesis to be true, UNC or WIV researchers would have had to possess the direct SARS-CoV-2 progenitor isolated from another animal—not a bat.
Harrison and Sachs (1) allege that scientists at NIH and elsewhere, including myself and colleagues, conspired to suppress theories of a laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2. This is false. A possible laboratory origin of SARS-CoV-2 was discussed in our earlier publications (6, 7)."
"Where did that PRRA polybasic furin cleavage site come from?"
That question, alone, provides 99% certainty to a lab origin to everyone except deeply conflicted virologists, who suddenly lost the ability to reason or behave as a normal, moral person would.
Great work! 👇
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@shellenberger
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Jun 13
After years of official claims to the contrary, strong new evidence suggests the virus known as SARS-CoV-2 escaped from a Chinese lab. According to multiple sources, the researchers who led gain-of-function research, which increases infectiousness, were the first to be infected.
https://youtu.be/JfoZHX-BJzQ?feature=shared
"That question, alone, provides 99% certainty to a lab origin to everyone except deeply conflicted virologists,"
Not to anyone that has ever taken virology.....
"You cannot have a furin cleavage site in one coronovirus but not the rest.
That in and of itself is hard proof it was made in a lab."
Why don't you draw up a list of viuses that have the cleavage site and post it here?
Albus shitcan post without evidence #29.... always pretending
You are just embarrassed by how silly the anti-vacc lies are.
You are not even a real BOY Albus the Obvious.
You posted an article that can not be read by just anyone. So theres no way to reply to it, however, Stan's article was a propaganda piece by GSK and the author sits on the vaccine council that he works for. Conflict if intetest on this is not ok.
You have already explained you won't read links that don't support your POV.....
Experience is SUPERIOR talking points to bs "mansplaining"... maybe you should try an actual course in usable, obvious truth.
Willful ignorance is never defensible.
But hey, it is only the health of your children at stake.
BTW: "experience" is a standard way for frauds to scam money from their marks.
You are so far down your vaccine conspiracy rabbit hole, I doubt it is possible to carry on a rational discussion. But I’ll give it one last go…,
a) can you articulate any deficiency in the scientific content of Jesse Bloom’s anaysis of the association of Sars-2 with animal and human DNAs in samples taken from the Huanan wet market?
b) what is your basis for believing that direct zoonotic origin of Sars-2-Cov-2 is well establish v. a possible leak from the WIV or the nearby CCP lab?
c) and how does the specific origin of the virus relate in any way to your specious claims of untoward toxicity of the COVID vaccines?
Honsestly his conflict of interest is enough. Its thr same as Paul Offit's. These people sit on the councils that aporove the products they make koney from.
Plus, James Lyons Weiler is a far superior scientist/ doctor. Hos studies are far more robust and dont include lying for your paycheck.
And Stan... talk to any evolutionary biologist ... they all say the same thing. A jump from animals to humans is extremely unlikely. Think Occam's razor ...
What a crapoy person you are. Conspiracy theories?? Not quite. Both my boys suffered vaccine injuries to thr products he approves, for the patents he holds. Thats not a comspiracy theory... thats conflict of interest. Get your facts strait before you name call
"Both my boys suffered vaccine injuries to thr products he approves, for the patents he holds"
I have put the words right in front of you that proves those are lies....but I can't give you integrity.
The COI of interest that have already been proven to be lies....
J LW is a failed scientist that makes his money scamming the ignorant.....you just choose not to look.
And I have a building near me full of evolutionary biologists and they all say the claim of such a jump being rare is a stupid lie!
And referring the JLW, his protocols are the very ones that walked my child out of non verbal autism... maybe could learn a thing or two ...
https://ipaknowledge.org/
His name is James Lyons Weiler and he has a podcast called "Popular Rationalism". Maybe Off It should take a remedial course in immunology. Cuz clearly he doesn't know as much as he should
Wow. You didn’t understand my post, let alone Dr. Bloom’s paper.
Wow... you dont think conflict of interest is a problem. I dont need to read another person's "professional GSK " study. There is ZERO evidence that being seen in nature made it jump to humans ... in fact, it looks sus by a lot . Good luck to you sir. We are not going to agree
Not really. SarsCoV-2 was found in association with human and fish DNA at a higher frequency than of mammalian species that might conceivably have served as vectors. So the DNA association is actually more compatible with the hypothesis that Sars-CoV-2 DNA was brought introduced to the market by humans.
Can you cite the source please. I would like to look at the data and yes it was brought to the market by human with the animals.
Here you go.
https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/9/2/vead050/7249794
Who told you that? Would you please produce the person/ article/ study?
Here is the article.
https://academic.oup.com/ve/article/9/2/vead050/7249794
Actually stan.. you missed the conflict of interest page. He sits on thr GSK Vaccine Council. Is this how science is done??? Sit on thr board ans approve your own products ans the fallacies about the origin that caused "Emergency Use Authorization" in the first place. This isnt a good look for anyone in vaccine making. It looks like what it is... a cover up.
See how you work?
You toss away any data you don't like.
You don't like scientists acting ethically, but you don't care when anti-vaccs are exposed as frauds.
"Fact is, we may never know the specific origin of Sars-CoV-2 with any degree of certainty."
With certainty--I don't think so.
But a bit lower bar seems reasonable.
And albus shitcan reaponse #30 ... talking out if his hinder ... again.
Once again my words were just too hard for you to understand.
Does the sun shine out of your hinder too?
Nope, but at least I can read.
Retired RN Infection Preventionist. Was in charge of staff vaccination for a 200 bed hospital; staff and resident vaccination for a 114 bed nursing home; worked 30 community flu clinics as part of the Ohio Medical Reserve.
Doesn't matter WHERE viruses came from. What DOES matter is scientists are able to produce safe, effective vaccines that protect people from serious illness. Those spreading conspiracy theories that cause the public to reject vaccination are ignorant and malicious.
And reject the vaccine garbage they are! Thank you, Covid. You were good for something. The young moms are on to the ruse and are saying no en masse to the utterly preposterous idea that health comes in a vial of chemical sludge we should be shooting up our fragile but otherwise healthy infants with.
You're no health care hero, Cheryl. You and Offit are an abomination to human flourishing.
I think you are saying never mind facts or data or reason....your mind is made up.
Albus shitcan response #11 ... gaslighting and name calling. Poor guy cant read ANYTHING except what Paul allows him to read and hes soooooo desperate to be important.
Poor sweetie....more scatological attacks....but you just aren't smart enough to see that absence of facts or reason from the OP.
FYFI... I'm disrespectful bc my boys suffered dtap injures ... seizures, ear infections, lymph issues, learning disabilities, and autism...
And Off it has no idea how to help the kids his "approved" products harm. Its almost as if they expect the public to be ok with "some kids dying"
In order to protect others. Thats called a sacrifice that NO ONE should ever have to make. Evil is the ACIP.
I don't think you are evil for refusing to read the words and see that actually evil people lied to you and there is no vaccine injury.
I think you must be doing your best.....given your limited cognitive and emotionally abilities.
Fyi...no one uses the word sweetie anymore ... it' s misogynistic. But when you have a God complex... that's probably small potatoes.
Still working on how to use a dictionary?
FYI: one of the reasons the anti-vaccs are able to play you for a fool is you just can't seem to read at the ~3rd grade level
". VOCATIVE NOUN
You can call someone sweetie if you are fond of them, especially if they are younger than you.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/sweetie
It is called a dictionary. You should really learn how they work.
There is ZERO data or reason for my child to have upwards of 70 injections of Lord-knows-what by the time she's 18. The childhood vaccine schedule is, like the good nurse Cheryl here and Dr. Offitt, an abomination that *at best* seeks to make vaccines as profitable as humanly possible as manufacturers cannot be sued directly for injurious products, and at worst seeks to make children chronically ill to also maximize profits as they "treat" those sometimes life-long illnesses.
Similarly, there was never any reason for me, a perfectly healthy then 45 year old woman free of every other pharmaceutical pill or injectable, to have gotten the covid "vaccine" when I was 1.) never at any risk of serious illness 2.) knew the entire time it didn't inhibit transmission and 3.) every other coronavirus vaccine having failed previously due to rapid mutation. That's not even considering what were already well known concerns with mRNA technology.
Beyond this, I personally know several wholly unvaccinated children from babies & toddlers to those now in their teens. They're overall healthier than the vaccinated children, including my own whom I'm certain suffered a serious allergic reaction to DTaP that hospitalized her with oxygen saturation below 70%. I also have a good friend whose son suffered a traumatic brain injury from an aneurysm-like event as a small child -- right after receiving a series of state-required shots required to enter kindergarten.
So, sure, Al, you could say my mind is made up. I didn't trust the Medical Industrial Complex before 2020. Anyone who does now, after the absolute nonsense of the last 3 years will blame their myocarditis, blood clots and turbo cancer on nature and bad luck. How lucky for Pfizer and Moderna.
Silence....
But can you say? Beyond the fact that the anti-vaccs lie about ~everything.
Thanks for making my point.
"manufacturers cannot be sued directly for injurious products, and at worst seeks to make children chronically ill to also maximize profits as they "treat" those sometimes life-long illnesses."
Actually you can directly sue vaccine makers and American's often do sue vaccine makers....and the Court rulings detail how the anti-vaccs are liars and frauds.
E.g. https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
"Pamela and Ernest Blackwell, parents and next friends of Jamarr Blackwell, sued the drug manufacturer Wyeth, Inc., its affiliates, and others, alleging that Jamarr’s autism and mental retardation were caused by thimerosal-laden vaccines administered to Jamarr when he was a baby."
If you make any good faith effort you can easily prove to yourself that the anti-vaccs lied to you when they said you can't sue vaccine makers....but I think you won't do so....
"There is ZERO data or reason for my child to have upwards of 70 injections of Lord-knows-what by the time she's 18. "
Actually the exact ingredients must be disclosed by law and are posted on-line....and verified by many independent labs all around the world. We know exactly what is in each vaccine.
By zero data....you mean other than all the US health insurance companies....and all the national healthcare systems in every other developed country that have collected data for many decades demonstrating that the vaccinated are much healthier than the unvaccinated?
There is no question: the anti-vaccs have filled your head with lies.
The only question is do you care enough to look at the facts?
How does it not matter of GoF researh was done? Bc its illegal. Fauci ans Eco Health have been caught red handed. Did you miss that?
So why won't you or any anti-vacc sue?
Because the claim of GoF research is lie and you would risk going to jail for perjury.
And thats how you know its AI. Bc we all know you cant sue. Off it... you better pray for your own soul and make amends ... otherwise looks like yoir new name may be LUCIFER
Of course you can sue.
You really need to stop making things up.
Albus shitcan response #12 ...gaslighting by asking a single person to sue them... Albus doesnt live in the land of reality.
However I' m sure a class action lawsuit is in the future.
Oh sweetie....
So put your big girl panties on and sue.
You can do that....but you won't because you know the GoF claim is a lie....you just can't help but mindlessly supporting anti-vacc lies.
Misogynistic response #4 ... ICYMI... albus is having a mental breakdown, not able to take the same crapola he gives ... trolls seem to have a very very sensitive system when it comes to handling the truth. Guess your place belongs on HELL then.
Too bad you just don't understand what a dictionary is.
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/sweetie
I don't blame people that are victims of fraud.
I do think there isn't a pit deep and dark and terrible enough in Hell for a parent that has the opportunity to protect their children from medical fraud....but chooses not to.
But hey, that is just me.....I actually care about all children...even yours.