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Both sides are saying the other side is spreading misinformation. The problem is, the CDC/FDA/US Gov. Narrative side won't debate. Debates solve problems like this in one hour. And frankly, refusing to justify your claims in a debate looks very very bad.

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Theres only ONE SIDE suppressing debate and free speech. The side that is in league with big pharmaceutical companies and derives a $$$ financial benefit from maintaining the lie that vaccines are safe and effective

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Yup, just the opposite. They censor any idea that would require debate.

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It's both, Phil. They censored and they refused to debate. This showed a total disregard for the public's well-being. I've challenged over 20 doctors and scientists to a formal debate including Dr. Offit and all ignored me or refused. Dr. Offit's shills said why would he agree to debate an unqualified person? I compared our credentials and it wasn't pretty for Dr. Offit. Perhaps you saw the comparison.

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Debate isn't any form of scientific proof. The effectiveness and proof of vaccines are found in studies, not in some blowhard bloviating for 30 minutes.

Go. Do a study. Proper methodology, null hypothesis, prove your point. It takes longer than an hour, granted.

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That's the point, Keith. I've already proved the two things I challenged him on. When someone starts bloviating you cut his argument to shreds. That's not a problem at all. One thing Dr. Offit said: "There were 1.2 million deaths in the US in 2020, 2021, and 2022 total." He got the data from Johns Hopkins. The ticker was on CNN every day. That's the incorrect total by an outrageously-large margin and I can prove it. I already have. I want to stop him from spreading false information that is very destructive. What do you suggest I do? Don't say, "Do a study." We already have the data and it contradicts what JHU and Dr. Offit are claiming.

Your first sentence is very strange. You said, "Debate isn't any form of scientific proof". That's not correct. . Things can be proved in a debate. Einstein proved lots of things in debates and theoretical papers. No studies were done. at the time he proved his general theory of relativity, for example. Studies were done later to confirm it. Some of the confirmation took 40 years- gravitational red-shift, for example. If I tell you, "When I go up on the roof and drop a brick off, it's going to go down to the Earth, not up or sideways", do you need to go do a study to determine if I'm right?

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What are you talking about? Einstein's theory of relativity was proven by observation of Mercury's transit angle. Mercury's perihelion advances 3 degrees sharper than Newtonian mechanics would allow. There wasn't a debate, it was an experimental proof. And redshift is predicted by Newtonian mechanics - the period of a wave you measure is dependent on your velocity relative to the direction of wave motion. The exact mechanics require relativity, but the phenomena is predicted by Newtonian math.

I'm getting the feeling you're fishing back to high school or some article you read once to say something that you think sounds impressive, but you're just spouting nonsense. Debate isn't any form of scientific proof - not now, not ever. It's just two people arguing.

If you wish to do science, I'm sure that some journal will be happy to publish your response to "Excess natural-cause mortality in US counties and its association with reported COVID-19 deaths". Assuming you can form an analysis that passes peer review of course.

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What am I talking about? What did I say that was wrong? The general theory was confirmed by the Mercury's perihelion orbit about the sun, that gravity bends light (they had to wait for an eclipse for obvious reasons), and the gravitational red shift (which took them about 40 years to find) to show the theory was consistent with observation. You obviously know something so why resort to ad hominem attacks? I know all of this was predicted by Newtonian mechanics but the magnitude was off by about 1/2.. I'm not saying something I think sounds impressive. Where did you get this idea? This stuff has been common knowledge for about 100 years. It's only impressive if you do it, Keith. Anyone can read about all this on the internet. This stuff probably isn't taught in HS because the kids don't have enough background in math . I don't really know, though. I didn't take physics in HS.

I still think you are wrong about debate not being able to prove something. For some things, you don't need to "Go. Do a study. Proper methodology, null hypothesis, prove your point." I can prove tons of things in physics and math without having to do a study. Are you saying I can't prove Dr. Offit wrong without doing a study?? What is your educational background?

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...and the observations were consistent with what was predicted by the theory. It doesn't prove the theory correct; that it can't be improved upon in some way.

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You can't debate someone who says up is down, left is right. Besides science is never 100% so by definition is always debatable. Never final and I'm going to win a debate 100% of the time knowing this!

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funny how YOU can win a debate but offit cannot. offit made all sorts of claims and any time anyone questins him on it he folds like a cheap suit. the guy is probably the best spokesperson antivaxxers could ever hope for.

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The COVID pandemic provided an opportunity for our “Health Officials” to expand their misinformation campaigns. Who funds them? Oh yea, the pharmaceutical companies raking in trillions of dollars.

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Of course they do, just like every other legitimate industry makes money off their products. What YOU have to do is stop complaining that they are profiting from their practice and prove that the practice is invalid. BUT you avoid that to distract from the real issue! Why? You are proving how stupid and dishonest you are by obfuscating the whole issue with BS. Shame on you!!

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Only 15 years ago, American pharmaceutical giant Pfizer Inc. and its subsidiary Pharmacia & Upjohn Company Inc. agreed to pay $2.3 billion, the largest health care fraud settlement in the history of the Department of Justice, to resolve criminal and civil liability arising from the illegal promotion of certain pharmaceutical products.

Cigarette companies spent decades lying about the safety of their products.

Shall I go on? You’re only proving how ignorant to history you are.

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Serial FELONS.

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Atleast they have liability, the vitamin,supplement industry are exempt from proving efficacy and safety! So you just complain about mandates because it's your " right to know" what's going into your body and go get Some Mercola Vitamin powder into your smoothie! Oh BTW, it's most likely manufactured by Pfizer, the largest vitamin mfg. In the world! Stop gas lighting .

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Big Pharma absolutely does NOT have liability for the COVID vaccine. Quit lying.

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Bullshit. They have a shield.

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Which is why they're being sued by lawyers who I am guessing know more than you do about suing!

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prove how any of that affects the vaccines. You have not provided one shred of evidence for that. You rely on irrelevant history. You are so ignorant of logic.

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You need evidence that our health officials lied to us about COVID, or that the NIH received hundreds of millions of dollars in kickbacks from the COVID vaccine manufacturers?

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you are a liar. Shame on you! You still deal in innuendo that you cannot prove was nefarious. Shame on you. You are disgusting.

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If our unelected public officials are corrupted, I don’t need to prove it was nefarious.

My disgust for those still defending them is unmatched.

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Illegall PROMOTION says nothing about safety. You are not going to die from a promotion. But I get your logic..NOT!

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Have you seen the cost of healthcare? Have you seen the outcomes? Have you seen the rise in chronic illness? JFC look around you. The aftermath doesn't match the propaganda.

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vague innuendo does not an argument make. THAT is propaganda.

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Hmmm. When you define 'misinformation' as 'anything that contradicts the official position', then really you're measuring compliance, not veracity of information. Amusingly, this is literally the definition of YouTube's 'medical misinformation' policy. FWIW we'd still be practicing blood letting and lobotomies today if such definitions had been thrown around and enforced back when these practices were status quo. Dr Offit, have you actually read the survey tools underpinning any of the misinfo research you reference? I have. I can only assume you haven't, if you're not qualifying your posts with caveats about what these tools actually show.

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What survey tools?

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Hi John, I see you subscribe to a misinfo newsletter, so I'm assuming you've read a few misinfo studies? Have you ever looked at any of the tables or supplementaries showing how the researchers determined who believes misinformation, and who doesn't? Typically, the information is gathered with surveys. In a high profile example out of Canberra Uni here, fully half of the information classified as 'misinformation' was either demonstrably true facts, or scientifically contested (ie: peer reviewed literature on both sides). As example.

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Do you have a link to that info about misinformation?

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I looked at the Park publication. It seemed to leave the definition of "misinformation" entirely up to those who were being surveyed. As far as I can tell, there was no attempt to look at the validity of any of the so-labelled misinformation to verify if it was actually accurate. Which part of the report does that? Can you guide me to the correct page/section, as I may have missed it.

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Check out Table 14

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Thank you for keeping us updated

These names been around for decades plying the world with harmful misinformation that has huge implications on the health of societies

Especially when so many won’t use or haven’t been taught to use critical thinking & check information

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Thank you for sharing the truth! As a school nurse, I preach vaccines daily! You are my hero Dr. Offit! I was blessed to have parents who took me and my brothers to every vaccination clinic imaginable back in the late 50's, 60's , and on! We as a society have lost the art of critical thinking! I love your new book! Thank you!

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Critical thinking says a population with record-breaking chronic illness isn't a healthy one.

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So, since the entire population is unhealthy, it is quite justifiable to give them all a Covid vaccine. Nice call, Ricky.

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People are chronically ill because they inject foreign substances into their body so give them more? You people are lost.

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We are a nation of idiots. This is prove positive.

Please do some research, you are part of the problem

https://vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html

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But it’s not zero. Also there are children with compromised immune systems, either due to cancers like leukaemia or through life shortening conditions. In the U.K. 7% of all PICU admissions were for covid19. https://www.picanet.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/25/2023/01/PICANet-report-on-SARS-CoV-2-related-illness_v1.0-30Jan2023.pdf This monitoring closed in the summer of 2023.

Don’t forget that a person who has mild symptoms themselves can have a sufficient viral load that they are infectious, the people that they’re in contact with could become infected, especially grandparents or in the case of my grandchildren their maternal great grandparents. My daughter-in-law has a compromised immune system and is a paediatrician.

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The tired, “protect grandma” routine. If grandma’s worried about it, all she needs to do is go take the “safe and effective” treatment, right?

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It’s not protect grandma, it’s protect parents, siblings also children at school.

Other children that were recommended to have the vaccination were those with compromised immune systems.

The vaccine is not treatment for SARS-CoV-2 or Covid. Also, here in the U.K. children between 12 & 18 were offered the vaccine, there was no compulsion. For children under 16 it was up to parents to consent unless the child was deemed to be Gillick competent by the clinician administering the vaccine. All people over the age of 16 are deemed competent to make their own decisions unless shown otherwise.

The current guidance is that people over 75 are vaccinated against COVID now along with younger people with compromised immune systems.

In the autumn people over 65 will be offered the vaccine along with younger people with compromised immunity.

We don’t generally vaccinate against chickenpox but they do in the USA, chickenpox is also a mild disease, with a CFR of 9.22 per 100000, significantly less than for COVID, therefore there’s no justification for vaccination against chickenpox.

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About 1 in 27000 chickenpox infections lead to death. Over 90% of deaths are children. Its not eradicated. Why not vaccinate and keep it a rare disease. Lots of nasty sequele with nervous system too. Wonder the UK logic there?

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Because shots don't prevent disease. You would think when Walensky said you were safe after you getting injected and Maddow said "the virus stops with each shot" AND NONE OF THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED, you people would stop making excuses for your mythology.

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However, the United Kingdom (UK) and many other countries have not implemented a universal programme, choosing instead to adopt a selective programme of vaccination offered to specific high-risk groups only, based on cost-effectiveness considerations from https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC10674747/

This is the dichotomy between the point of the original comment about the COVID vaccine and the situation regarding the chickenpox vaccine in the USA.

Note that 80% of deaths from chickenpox are in adults in the U.K.

https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/chickenpox/background-information/complications/

https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/chickenpox/background-information/prevalence/

https://cks.nice.org.uk/topics/chickenpox/background-information/prognosis/

Note that immunocompromised people including children are offered the vaccine, we just don’t have a universal vaccination programme. The shingles vaccine is now offered to everyone over 65.

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Here in Ontario, Canada we also vaccinate for chickenpox. My son was blinded by the virus before the vaccine became available, thankfully only in one eye not both. The strange thing is that his case was so mild, only half a dozen spots or so and no other symptoms that our doctor wasn’t sure he’d obtained immunity from the disease. Such a mild case and yet lifelong damage resulted.

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The chickenpox vaccine is only restricted in its availability on the NHS, but is available privately. “The chickenpox vaccine helps protect against chickenpox. It's only available on the NHS to people in close contact with someone who has a higher risk of getting seriously ill from chickenpox.”

“ Who should have the chickenpox vaccine

The chickenpox vaccine is recommended if you're healthy and all the following apply:

you're 9 months old or over

you've not had chickenpox before

you're in regular or close contact with someone who's at risk of getting seriously ill if they get chickenpox, such as a child with leukaemia or an adult having chemotherapy

You should also have the chickenpox vaccine if you've not had chickenpox before and your work involves close contact with patients. This includes:

doctors and nurses

ambulance staff

GP surgery and hospital receptionists

hospital ward cleaners

catering staff

laboratory workers who are exposed to the chickenpox virus

If you're not sure you've had chickenpox before, you may need a blood test to check.”

“ Who cannot have the chickenpox vaccine

Most people can have the chickenpox vaccine if they need it.

But as it's a live vaccine (it contains a weakened version of the chickenpox virus), it's not recommended for some people.

People who should not have the chickenpox vaccine include:

those with a weakened immune system because of an illness like HIV or a treatment such as chemotherapy

pregnant women

babies under 9 months old

people who've had a serious allergic reaction (anaphylaxis) to a previous dose of the vaccine or an ingredient in the vaccine, including neomycin or gelatin

people who've had their MMR vaccine in the previous 4 weeks

If you've had the chickenpox vaccine, you should avoid getting pregnant for 1 month after having the last dose of the vaccine.”

https://www.nhs.uk/vaccinations/chickenpox-vaccine/

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The logic never quite makes sense, but all you need to do is brainwash people with "trust the science" and they fall in line.

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I agree , screw grandma! We got to many old people living past their expiration date!

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No, not screw Grandma. She has a “safe and effective” treatment. We shouldn’t screw with our kids. Grandma’s fine.

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Ahh misunderstood your comment. Sorry. I do have a question hypothetical. If covid vaccine kills 1 in a million kids, but covid kills 1 in 500,000. Do we sacrifice that 1 kid?

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you are a liar. The risk to kids from covid was way greater than from any flu. And have you ever heard of multisystem inflammatory syndrome that hospitalized thousands of kids? Shame on you!!

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Have you ever heard of myocarditis? Shame on you!

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The myocarditis is mild and self limiting in the majority of cases, there have been a few cases of fulminating myocarditis some of which have been fatal. Myocarditis has been linked to the smallpox vaccine, the influenza vaccine and other medication.

For example https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29922028/

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29456017/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6111773/

A PubMed search before 2020 for eosinophil myocarditis

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The shame is on you. A severe case of myocarditis is over 10 times more likely from Covid infection, as compared to the very mild, temporary, cases of myocarditis from vaccine.

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Are you relying on the same sources that told you that it was 100% effective in stopping transmission?

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As far as I’m aware no one has ever claimed that the COVID vaccines completely prevent transmission or infection. It also suggests that the process of how and why vaccines work is misunderstood and also when you are infectious.

Certainly with Covid you can be infectious a day or two before you develop symptoms (which are the result of your immune system responding to the virus). The vaccine, like every other vaccine, cannot and does not prevent infection. If the pathogen has a long incubation period then the vaccine reduces transmission significantly, potentially to zero (for example measles virus) however if the pathogen has a short incubation period (SARS-CoV-2) then the vaccine is unlikely to reduce transmission by very much at all.

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I've never heard of such a source. Can you provide it?

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Well, he was probably relying on a metanalysis carried out by Penn State, which found that myocarditis was 7 times more common with Covid than with vaccination. (And no, they were not the source of your fictional claim that sources stated that the vaccines were 100% successful)

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9467278/

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lol is that why no one talked about myocarditis until 2021? You read the cover story that was written after the fact.

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Covid myocarditis is a minor issue compared with the other devastating outcomes Covid can have on specific organ systems and systemically. People rtended to focus on the serious outcomes like death.

Myocarditis from Covid was certainly noticed in 2020. Here is an article from July 2020, just a few months into the pandemic.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2589790X20300640

The vaccines were rolled out from mid Dec 2020, and the CDC published a warning about vaccines and myocarditis in June 2020.

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Covid killed over 2000 children. How much you wanna bet that their parents wished their kids had been vaccinated?

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How many children have been injured by the VAX? How much do you want to bet those parents wish they hadn’t vaccinated?

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You need more than a temporal correlation to determine causation.

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Injuries skyrocketed immediately after taking shots (regardless of seasonality) yet you can claim efficacy of a shot that has no way of preventing illness and went through clinical trials that were fraudulent.

https://usmortality.substack.com/p/eight-major-issues-with-the-covid

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Almost zero children have been injured by vaccine. There is a case of a baby in South Korea that is likely to be a sad instance of death after vaccination.

However, it perished due to a birth defect that caused it to succumb to the spike proteins. Meaning that if it had lived unvaccinated, it would've eventually perished as well when it came into contact with COVID-19, which has vastly more spike proteins than the vaccine.

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You don't have to point to South Korea. They're all over the place if you care to look.

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Such as? If they're all over the place than you should be able to provide another example.

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Please provide your statistic on the 2000 children deaths. Is that in you state, in The USA, in the world ? The infection fatality rate in children is less than .O06%.

And please provide the data on what percentage oh those kids who died of COVID were vaccinated. You can’t just throw out numbers .

And lastly please provide your proof that almost zero children have been injured by the COVID shot which by the way my friend is not a vaccine.

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How many have died?

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Have any of you people heard of or looked at VAERS?

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/saved/D8/D385F874

https://wonder.cdc.gov/controller/saved/D8/D385F874

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You do understand the disclaimer you linked to, I take it?

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It's a reporting system used by healthcare professionals. Some of them will be linked to the product and some of them won't. The most important thing to note is that VAERS is way underreported, so it more than makes up for any false claims that you're so desperate to point to.

Why do people chirp "trust the science" and then trust 0% of what healthcare professionals report when it goes agianst their preconceived bias for big pharma? And why would you worship big pharma when they are literally killing millions with opioids? Fear? An attempt at virtue signalling? Flinging yourself at a groupthink that's been molded by propaganda so people will think you're normal? So sad.

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VAERS is like an early warning system, a smoke alarm if you wish. Not every alert indicates a genuine fire, but serious events are followed up by the CDC to see if there is any causal link to the vaccines. That's why VAERS has detected issues in the past with things like rotavirus intussusception, and flagged up myocarditis reports.

Anyone can report an event to VAERS; they are not just compiled from reports from health care professionals. There is a lot of over-reporting too. And HCWs are asked to report ANY death or serious event in someone at any time after vaccination to VAERS, so you get lots of reports like "87 yr old died from complications of diabetes and diabetic coma. received Pfizer vaccine booster 8 months previously"

As the disclaimer states and VAERS website states, reports cannot be automatically assumed to indicate causality, and they explain why.

Many post vaccine events that go unreported to VAERS are very mild/minor self limiting things like a sore arm. I didn't report mine to VAERS when the Moderna vax caused discomfort for 24 hours (Pfizer was a breeze).

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Mostly kids who were already sick so COVID was just a cofactor.

And the shots don't prevent illness.

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The shots are 60-90% effective at preventing clinical illness.

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lol classification fraud

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Proof of that?

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And that's not counting the thousands of kids who were hospitalized with severe disease from it and ended up with long-term health issues.

All my coworkers have vaccinated their kids for Covid. Why take any chances when a safe and effective alternative exists?

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Trolling again?

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Good to know, Dr. Offit. It's about the money these charlatans can make and not about your health. Snake oil salesman.

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Yup. Dr Offit protests that “he’s not a shill, it’s everybody else”, while shilling for his masters.

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Dr PROffit

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Who is worth more money Dr Mercola or Dr Offitt? Want to bet?

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So what, he was involved in the development of the Rotateq and hence when CHOP sold their patent rights then it’s only right he receives a share of that. That doesn’t compromise him in any sense.

Also note this about Rotateq

“Like any vaccine, the RotaTeq may not provide protection from disease in every person” from https://www.drugs.com/rotateq.html

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You must be right - it’s only the supplement manufacturers that are compromised by millions of dollars.

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And Rotateq has saved hundreds of thousands of lives. OTOH, the disinformation spread by the grifters that Offit exposes kills people.

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Nope. The mRNA vaccine kills people.

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His Nick name is Paul Pr-offit.

Get a clue

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I am not an anti-vaxxer and published on the jabs' effectiveness and safety being exaggerated: https://okaythennews.substack.com/p/science-summary-covid-19-vaccines. My funding: pretty much nothing. A few paid Substack subscribers. The funding of the people I'm up against? Big Pharma, billionaires like Bill Gates, etc.

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Pimping your own substack again, Raphael?

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If you're worried about name-calling from the brainwashed masses, you're never going to do important work. Explore the false paradigms. Go big or go home.

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Quacks, frauds and scoundrels, whose only goal is to separate weak minded people from their wallets and purses. That is how my great aunt described these charlatans in the 1960s. Not much has changed. Instead of polio anti-vaxxers, and Birchers with their fluoride water scams, another generation of grifters is making bank off of ignorance and anti-science.

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And how many millions of dollars have you made from mandated vaccines? https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-independent-are-vaccine-defenders/

You are disgustingly corrupt.

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Again, Dr Offit has fallen for the 'misinformation' 'researchers', never bothering to research what he considers an 'authoritative' source. Had he looked he would never have bothered.

Question: How can you uncritically quote CCDH?

Answer: When you quote a hobbyist misinfo researcher Renee DiResta - when contemporaneously, even twitters' 'Trust and safety' team considered her a joke; quoting CCDH without critically noting the groups dubious history (origin, people, funding and activity) isn't surprising.

https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/why-did-the-anti-vaccine-movement

CCDH 'report' should not be taken seriously. here's why:

1. No named researchers signed their names to the 'report', Imran Ahmed is the CEO and not a researcher. Their research is never published in any journals and their staff are political operatives, without the academic and research qualifications.

https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/who-ghostwrites-reports-for-the-center

2. The methodology is hopelessly selective with regards to Facebook, for Twitter it is too broad, and finally the underlying data is not published.

Facebook own vice president noted that CCDH's report was 'faulty' and 'non representative'.

Separately, Twitter staff found the report unreliable and incorrect - released under the 'twitter files'.

https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/censorship-center-guise-combating-hate-covid-elon-musk

https://about.fb.com/news/2021/08/taking-action-against-vaccine-misinformation-superspreaders/

https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/twitter-files-who-are-the-people

3. CCDH is filled with dark money and political operatives, while filing false information with the IRS.

https://www.racket.news/p/uk-files-exclusive-part-2-the-center

https://disinformationchronicle.substack.com/p/financial-flim-flam-backs-imran-ahmeds

https://archive.ph/OXBpZ#selection-2935.38-2935.65

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LOOOOOOOL! offit has egg and feces smeared all over his chin. this guy is part of the problem. one of the best things covid did was expose how much this person cannot be trusted.

get ratio'd, offit!

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As you implied in your article, your source of income will naturally impact your willingness to give an unbiased review of a product. Since you have lyrically promoted vaccines, and are now promoting an article published three years ago that attempts to discredit people who have evidence of the dangers of vaccines, it seems reasonable to guess that you receive income from vaccines.

Would you be willing to disclose your income from all sources?

Would you also tell us why you are relying on a group with no medical background that was established to fight anti-semitism, according to the founder’s bio on their website, to decide for you what is medical “misinformation”?

Covid created an opportunity to see that the anti vaccine activists were better informed than the rest of us who trusted the medical community!

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/dark-money-center-countering-digital-hate-disinformation-dozen-report/

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People like this are destroying America and should be called out. Sick that big tech and our government promote disgusting people like this. We live in hard times right now.

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Hi RFKjr!

..."waves".

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There is really no use for an article like this at all….lets just call the plandemic what it is….a scam for control. There fixed it….except the millions of lies being destroyed by a kill shot.

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Hi, Paul. You are a liar and a propagandist. You know you spread misinformation, because you've listened to valid concerns people have with products and then pretended they don't exist. You are trash. You worship an industry that EVERYONE KNOWS kills millions with opioids. It's incredible that we can know that and still pretend their other products are different. I would disappear if I were you, but I'm not scum so I don't see you doing that.

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are you sure you are reading accurate studies…..a lot to explain about the clots, the myocarditis, the autoimmune diseases, the rampant increase in cancer…..and this is coming from my own eyes……I’m not a doctor and I see if everywhere? Do you live under a rock?

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What a load of uncurious propaganda, refusing to consider the well known widespread ills caused by the protected pHarmer industry, from a severely conflicted man with huge cognitive dissonance.

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