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John Stiller's avatar

Thank you, Dr. Offit, for your clarity, courage, and long-standing dedication to science and public health. While others stay silent or, worse, enable dangerous policy shifts, you have spoken out forcefully against the reckless removal of COVID vaccine recommendations for pregnant women.

The most striking detail? Dr. Marty Makary, who just published a paper affirming pregnancy as a high-risk condition for severe COVID, stood smiling beside RFK Jr. as he announced this rollback. Days later, the official recommendation was erased. Makary’s weak attempt to justify this contradiction is not just unconvincing. It is intellectual surrender.

This decision was not science. It was politics dressed up in a lab coat. It puts pregnant women and their babies at risk. We need more physicians like Dr. Offit, who are grounded in evidence and unafraid to speak hard truths.

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Deb Klein's avatar

This political bending over is exactly what Makary and Prasad criticised during and after Covid.

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John Stiller's avatar

Just to clarify, are you pointing out the hypocrisy of Makary and Prasad, or suggesting that Dr. Offit is bending to political pressure? I want to make sure I understand your take.

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Anubis's avatar

https://covidreason.substack.com/p/paul-offit-im-not-getting-this-years

He stopped taking the boosters many years ago but is recommending them to pregnant women and unborn children.

So to answer your question - what do YOU think ?

Also this is pretty pathetic

>Thank you, Dr. Offit, for your clarity, courage, and long-standing dedication to science and

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John Stiller's avatar

Dr. Offit’s decision not to take that particular booster was based on his prior infection and personal risk profile, not on any safety concerns about the vaccine itself. He has consistently supported vaccination for higher-risk groups, including pregnant women. Misrepresenting that as hypocrisy might play well to the anti-vaccine crowd, but it’s not an honest reading of his position.

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Anubis's avatar

He has taken any more COVID vaccines since then. I have seen him in several interviews an no further mention of his need to get up to date with the latest.

So it was Not about a particular booster.

And if you still believe it was; what was so special about that particular booster to cause him to refuse it? Because refusing it means he doesn't trust the science ... Ergo he's an antivaxx

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John Stiller's avatar

You are assuming that because Dr. Offit has not publicly said he received another booster, he must not have received one. That is a well-known logical fallacy called argumentum ad ignorantiam. It means concluding that something is false simply because there is no evidence confirming it.

By that logic, if I haven’t mentioned how I voted in the last election, you would have to assume I didn’t vote at all. Silence is not evidence. It is just silence.

Dr. Offit’s 2023 decision was based on his prior infection and personal risk profile. That is not a rejection of science. It is the application of it. Calling him “antivaxx” based on that is not just wrong. It is unserious.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

I would like to see the full interview, not a convenient 2 minute edit.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Anubis <-- disgusting piece of human excrement.

Here he lies by omission about America's foremost pr-vaccination expert.

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Anubis's avatar

>Here he lies by omission about America's foremost pr-vaccination expert.

Thats some reach around bro. Dont forget to wipe your mouth after

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BillyJoe's avatar

Dr. Paul Offit is known around here as the "vaccination hero".

Anubis is known around here as the gullible rombious arse hair tick tucking in close and warm to the source of the shit that flows out of that child murdering arsehole.

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Lisa Cornelius's avatar

As a labor and delivery nurse I can say anecdotally that yes pregnancy should be considered a risk factor. I’ve never seen so many pregnant women be intubated in my 18 years, maybe 2 total before 2020, since then, 3 per year? And respiratory disease related death! Shame on RFK. His dad is probably rolling in his grave and I hope

He reads this.

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Chris's avatar

Thanks again, Dr Offit for being a voice of reason in this madness.

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Nancy's avatar

Chris the ER doc? A three year old whose mother received the “mRNA vaccine” in the 3rd trimester while said three year old was in-utero, now has visible amyloid fibrils seen on blood slides as reported by Kevin W. McCairn, Ph.D on May 30, 2025 and in Substack. This mRNA platform “Gene Therapy” must be banned. You can be an Offit sycophant all you like but pushing this mRNA platform is a criminal offense against humanity.

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Chris's avatar

No, actually just prefer living in reality. Literally billions of covid vaccines were administered. Pointing to an isolated case of something bad happening roughly in the time frame a vaccine was administered is not providing evidence. Pointing to the countless bad outcomes that have happened from NOT receiving the vaccine is.

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Anubis's avatar

Sure ... all those VAERS reports - are "isolated"

https://www.openvaers.com/

Since the Covid vaccine there have been more VAERs reports than the entirety of its 3 decade+ existence. And only 1% of adverse reactions actually makes it to VAERs

But sure .. "isolated"

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Chris's avatar

You seem, like many non-experts, to have no understanding whatsoever of what VAERS is or what the data represents. The "reports" are not instances of vaccine injuries. And, no, your claim of "only 1% of adverse reactions actually makes it to VAERs" is patently false.

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Anubis's avatar

>The "reports" are not instances of vaccine injuries.

Vaccine

Adverse

Event

Reporting

System

>And, no, your claim of "only 1% of adverse reactions actually makes it to VAERs" is patently false.

No. It just means we have to multiply those cases by 99 to have a real sense of the damages vaccines cause

https://openvaers.com/faq/what-is-underreporting-and-why-it-matters

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Chris's avatar

No. I am trying my hardest to be polite here. PLEASE speak to an actual expert to guide you through what VAERS is, rather than just what you pick up on conspiracy theory sites and social media echo chambers. VAERS is a self-reporting system where literally anyone can report literally anything that happens in some loose proximity to when they received a vaccine. When I received the vaccine, I hit my knee against a bureau a couple of days later. I could have reported that, and "knee contusion" would have been listed as an adverse event. Clearly (I hope) that bruise was not caused by the vaccine. But nothing would have stopped me from reporting it.

An anesthesiologist once reported, to make a point, that the flu vaccine had caused him to turn into the Incredible Hulk. And until he gave permission to take it down, "turning into the Incredible Hulk" was listed as a possible side effect of the vaccine.

VAERS is designed as an early warning system to identify POSSIBLE vaccine-caused events. This is because in the initial studies, for ANY medicine or therapeutic, you can only test tens of thousands at the most, and can only do so generally for months. So the VAERS system exists to identify red flags that may occur in the one in millions range, or beyond several months. When an event is reported, it is examined to see if this is occurring at beyond the rate you would just expect to see naturally. If it is, it is investigated. If it is not, then it is rightfully dismissed.

I'll ask one last time. Ask ANY doctor working on the front lines during the height of the pandemic, and who also worked the year after the vaccine was introduced. Ask how many patients they saw get intubated or die who were vaccinated, and also ask how many "vaccine injuries" they saw. Ask THEIR opinions on the matter. You are forming incredibly ignorant opinions by forming your understanding of reality from social media echo chambers and conspiracy sites.

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Mike S's avatar

The poor, deluded Anubis thinks an “event” is a “vaccine injury”. 😂

So you think having a road traffic accident after Covid vaccination is a “vaccine injury”?

….There are 421 reports of this on VAERS, FYI.

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Mike S's avatar

You haven't a clue about VAERS, have you?

The adverse events that *aren't* reported to VAERS are the ones like "sore arm for 6 hours", or "mild headache". No-one needs to report that drek.

Of the events that are reported, around two thirds relate to things like fever, or sore arm etc...ie mild reations that are totally incosequential.

Here is one: https://ibb.co/RT7bPLBB

Then there are genuinely consequential events, but which are purely coincidental (eg death in a road traffic accident 2 days after getting a vaccination**). And then there are the specious and scurrilous reports from pranksters or antivaxers.

Here is another VAERS report for you to see....maybe suggest you wife gets the Moderna vaccine, since she certainly isn't getting therse "reactions" from you.

https://ibb.co/wN4fYDVh

** Edited to add...there are 421 reports of a road traffic accindent following vaccination, just so as you know.

https://ibb.co/rG0dr3dS

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Ok kids, are you ready for bed? Great! Let’s read some more stories from the the OpenVAERS. Now don’t laugh too loudly or you’ll wake your dad…

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Mike S's avatar

I liked the one where the Covid vax made some guy’s penis enlarge by 10x.

Strange thing is, all the MAGATs deficient in that department still didn’t fall for the VAERS lies. Maybe there’s some hope yet.

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Anubis's avatar

Post the link.

You do know its a felony to create a fraudulent VAERS report? punishable with jail time and fines. And the data in VAERS (incidence, dosage, medical history) arent the sort of information a layman would have access to - precisely why its created by medical staff and not patients

You wouldnt know this because you are a Uk citizen mouthing off on American issues he knows nothing about

Again Post the link to the VAERS report that you just claimed exists (10x penis size)

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BillyJoe's avatar

Anubis: "VAERS"

There he goes again.

LYING!

KNOWING HE IS LYING.

AND CONTINUING TO BLATANTLY LIE!

How many times do we need to explain to this lying arsehole what VAERS is actually for?

How many times do we need to refer this sewer rat to cautionary note at the VAERS website warning readers NOT to do what this bleeding pustule keeps doing?

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Talking-point trash I'll bet you don't even understand:

The development of amyloid-like structures in an infant's blood following maternal vaccination with an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine during pregnancy has been reported in a case study (Pereira et al., 2022). However, the significance of this finding remains unclear given the lack of clinical symptoms and the absence of evidence linking these structures to disease. The authors of the study noted that amyloid-like deposits were detected in peripheral blood smears from an infant born to a mother who received two doses of an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine during the third trimester of pregnancy. The child was clinically healthy, and there was no evidence of thrombotic events or other adverse reactions. The presence of amyloid-like structures in this case may be attributed to various factors, including the maternal immune response to vaccination, exposure to antifibrinolytic agents (e.g., tranexamic acid), or genetic predisposition. The authors suggested that further research is necessary to determine whether these structures are a common phenomenon following maternal vaccination and to investigate their clinical significance. It is essential to note that mRNA COVID-19 vaccines have been extensively studied in pregnant women, and the available evidence indicates no increased risk of adverse pregnancy outcomes compared to those who did not receive the vaccine (US FDA, 2022). Moreover, no safety concerns related to exposure during pregnancy or breastfeeding have been identified. The benefits of vaccination outweigh the potential risks for both mothers and infants.

An otherwise healthy child. Wow. So much for criminal offenses against humanity.

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Viral's avatar

Have a look at Nancy's profile. Worth the effort?

https://substack.com/@nancy842252/reads

Another account pushing all the conspiracy stuff - the craziest vaccine delusions, along with maga worship (Ode to Peewee Navarro), trans-fear and Russian lies about Ukraine. What's with that combination?

https://substack.com/@nancy842252/note/c-59834461

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Chris's avatar

True. I don't know why I allow myself to get sucked into responding to crazy people. But the reality is that we now have these people in positions of high leadership, including heading HHS. So, I kind of feel like the time of just ignoring this has passed.

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Frau Katze's avatar

That “reads” feature is good.

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Viral's avatar

Fair enough.

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Nancy's avatar

How do you feel about double the normally seen miscarriage rate in pregnant women receiving mRNA c-vax?

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Rimmer, M., et al. The risk of miscarriage following COVID-19 vaccination: a systematic review and meta-analysis. Human Reproduction, Volume 38, Issue 5, May 2023, Pages 840–852, https://doi.org/10.1093/humrep/dead036

STUDY QUESTION

What is the risk of miscarriage among pregnant women who received any of the COVID-19 vaccines?

SUMMARY ANSWER

There is no evidence that COVID-19 vaccines are associated with an increased risk of miscarriage.

Conclusions

COVID-19 vaccines are not associated with an increased risk of miscarriage or decreased rates of ongoing pregnancy or live birth rates among women of reproductive age. The current evidence remains limited and larger population studies are needed to evaluate the effectiveness and safety of COVID-19 vaccines in pregnancy.

Yland, JJ, et al. A prospective cohort study of preconception COVID-19 vaccination and miscarriage. Human Reproduction, 2023, 38(12), 2362–2372 https://doi.org/10.1093/humrep/dead211

STUDY QUESTION

To what extent is preconception maternal or paternal coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) vaccination associated with miscarriage incidence?

SUMMARY ANSWER

COVID-19 vaccination in either partner at any time before conception is not associated with an increased rate of miscarriage.

Among 1815 eligible female participants, 75% had received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine by the time of conception. Almost one-quarter of pregnancies resulted in miscarriage, and 75% of miscarriages occurred <8 weeks’ gestation. The propensity score-weighted IRR comparing female participants who received at least one dose any time before conception versus those who had not been vaccinated was 0.85 (95% CI: 0.63, 1.14). COVID-19 vaccination was not associated with increased risk of either early miscarriage (GW: <8) or late miscarriage (GW: 8–19). There was no indication of an increased risk of miscarriage associated with male partner vaccination (IRR = 0.90; 95% CI: 0.56, 1.44).

I have plenty more if you are interested.

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John Fontaine, Phm's avatar

Dr. Stankovich, thank you for the explanation of "context" vis-à-vis an association is NOT causality.

Sadly, many prefer to choose isolated e.g. of a poor outcome as the cause of such an event ☹️

JJF Phm 🇨🇦

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Nancy's avatar

The child is 3 years old. So much for your “maternal immune response” etc. Partnering up with the spiteful BOT ad hominem attacking hoodlums here must be rewarding to you somehow. Done.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Nancy Boy: "Done".

Of course you are, Nancy. Off you go and pull your tail in between your legs before you slam the door shut behind you, we don't any part of your filth left behind in the science-based space.

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Nancy's avatar

Perhaps you should check your spike antibodies as spike protein seems to have affected your thought processing. I am done because there is no science involved in defending the likes of mRNA vax sycophants.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Nancy: " I am done"

Hey, Nancy boy, you were done a long time ago.

A word of advice:

Before you pull your weak arse back into the commentary of a science-based blog, please familiarise yourself with science, because this stuff is clearly way over your head.

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Nancy's avatar

Ignore the studies of Kevin W. McCairn if you wish and also throw ad hominem attacks at me blithely, but realize that amyloid fibrils are not on a normal blood slide. Any Hematologist, licensed Medical Technologist or American Academy of Blood Banking technologist can tell you: to see amyloid fibrils on the blood smears microscopically or by unaided sight is unusual, especially for a young child.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Ad hominem at you? What exactly would you consider, "You can be an Offit sycophant all you like but pushing this mRNA platform is a criminal offense against humanity?" And apparently Kevin W. McCairn, Ph.D is incapable of reading a scientific research study as you are. Perhaps you could point out anywhere where it is suggested by these authors that "amyloid-like structures in the infant's blood" was customary or usual? Let me help you, NOWHERE. Further, please point out where these same authors of this study indicate that they discovered any danger or harm from these "amyloid-like structures in this infant's blood." Again, let me help you: "The child was clinically healthy, and there was no evidence of thrombotic events or other adverse reactions." And finally, be so kind as to point out where the authors of this study indicate with CERTAINTY - and you are welcome to run this by Kevin W. McCairn, Ph.D, if you wish - that the specific source of these "amyloid-like structures in the infant's blood" was from the Covid-19 vaccine its mother received in the 3rd trimester of pregnancy. Let me, again, help you: "The presence of amyloid-like structures in this case may be attributed to VARIOUS factors, including the maternal immune response to vaccination, exposure to antifibrinolytic agents (e.g., tranexamic acid), or genetic predisposition. The authors suggested that FURTHER RESEARCH is necessary to determine whether these structures are a common phenomenon following maternal vaccination and to investigate their clinical significance." Now, I will suggest that anyone who suggests anything other than what the authors intended is being dishonest and/or highly manipulative with the data, like it or not. and as for your comment regarding mRNA "gene therapy," I've addressed it here: https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/rfk-jrs-war-on-children/comment/121169439

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BillyJoe's avatar

Thanks for taking the time to smack down this disgusting creature by correcting its lies with facts.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Nancy Boy: "throw ad hominem attacks at me"

We will do this WITHOUT your permission, you disgusting antivax child killer.

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

You mean Kevin the marijuana researcher who couldn't even make a living doing that so he went into anti-vaccine covid grift? That loser? He's not qualified to make any medical diagnosis or do any pathology. Go away loser

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Nancy's avatar

Not Kevin McKernan. Kevin W. McCairn, Ph.D

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BillyJoe's avatar

Nancy Boy: "Kevin W. McCairn"

LIKE TWO BRICKS CLANGING TOGETHER

If you want a complete demolition of the ideas spouted by that FRINGE dweller, Kevin McCairn, you cannot go past Dr. David Gorski's article about 15 months ago at "Science Based Medicine" titled:

"Prions. Why did it have to be prions? (Again.)"

QUOTE:

"The antivax trope that vaccines cause prion disease is an old one, and antivaxxers are trying desperately to resurrect it to apply to COVID-19 vaccines".

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BillyJoe's avatar

Nancy Boy's mouth is a sewer of misinformation.

The mRNA vaccination is NOT gene therapy.

Anyone who says so is clueless science illiterate nong.

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Anubis's avatar

>Thanks again, Dr Offit for being a voice of reason in this madness.

https://covidreason.substack.com/p/paul-offit-im-not-getting-this-years

SUCKER!!!

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BillyJoe's avatar

Anubis <-- "SUCKER!!!"

And sewer rat.

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Mike S's avatar

The determination of these disease mongers to destroy lives is horrific.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Anubis <-- lying antivax arsehole.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE BUT LIES AND DECEPTION.

The silly thing was gullible enough to allow himself to be gaslit by the anti-vaccine industry into believing he caused his daughters brain injury by having her vaccinated and now works for free to promote their ugly program of child murder.

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Anubis's avatar

>vaccine industry into believing he caused his daughters brain injury by having her

?

I dont have a daughter

Did your handlers not update your talking points this morning ?

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BillyJoe's avatar

"I don't have a daughter"

Thank God for that!

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Maybe you could look up your post where you said this to a father who came here looking for support & empathy and apologize:

"it must be killing you inside - knowing that you are the reason your son has autism. it was your decision to get him vaccinated after all. you want it to be something other than that decision to allay your guilty conscience

its apparent then why you would be against RFKjr pushing resources into getting to the bottom of this. its the truth.

this dude poisoned his kid by getting him vaccinated. knows it deep inside but wants to blame the one guy who is willing to pony up resources to conduct a true test (not like the tests the NIH did in the past where they looked at everything BUT vaccines) the one consolation is that his autistic son has rendered him a genetic dead end. a full end to his bloodline. developmentally challenged kids and adults can barely take care of themselves let alone a family. so his blood line is caput

thats whats kiling him inside. but instead of properly blaming himself (and his ignorance when he made the decision) then helping others to avoid his mistake - he wants to channel it outside and theres is kharma for that."

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BillyJoe's avatar

The irony is that this is what rombios told Anubis about his child. The difference is that Anubis is such a gullible science illiterate fool that he allowed himself to be gaslit by that fraud and now gives up his spare time standing in for the banned antivax freakboy.

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James Batterson's avatar

A really important Beyond the Noise edition to cut through administration’s smoke and mirrors and lies by omission. I would suggest that the “paper” in the NEJM that Paul references is not a research paper, but rather a piece in their Sounding Board (described by nejm as a space for commentary and opinion) all gussied up to look like a research paper. I see no “received, reviewed, revised” notation on this “paper” and thus assume it was not peer-reviewed.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

It's an opinion piece. A poorly reasoned one, by two hyperpartisan flacks.

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Drew Himes, LCSW, CAADC's avatar

I read their "paper." Pure garbage. I've read 4th grade book reports with more rigor. For these two, who for YEARS have screamed about research, evidence, transparency, and accountability in the scientific process to then publish this...rag...is the highest form of hypocrisy I've seen in a while. I don't want to speculate about their ego insecurities or need to be liked, praised, etc. But sometimes...if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck... What was Prasad's book (with A. Cifu) "Ending Medical Reversals?" Isn't that entire book about using reason, rationality, and science to get better treatments and stop harming patients with bad interventions (or lack of same)? And then this...thing!? I don't understand how or why NEJM decided to publish it.

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

NEJM kissed Trump/Kennedy/Bhattacharya/Makary/Prasad butt big time by publishing that incredibly unscientific op ed. NEJM is no longer on the side of science

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Chris's avatar

But there’s more to this. Where the hell is ACOG? Or ACEP? Or AAP? Where are the major medical advocacy organizations? Their silence throughout all this has allowed this to happen.

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

These organizations are COWARDS, bowing down to these murderers.

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Anubis's avatar

What the hell are they going to do?. They are complicit in the Covid vaccine sham. They are keeping quiet lest attention be drawn towards them and the glaring conflicts of interest; their board members have.

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Chris's avatar

Okay, then, now are going into full blown looney-tunes territory. Time to move on. Nothing to see here folks, please move along.

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Anubis's avatar

Lets take AAP for example

https://www.aap.org/en/philanthropy/corporate-and-organizational-partners/current-partners/

Its the whose-who of pharmaceutical giants. That's just one of many such examples

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Mike S's avatar

That would be “who’s” and not “whose”.

….yet another grammatical lesson for you from me, gratis.

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Anubis's avatar

dont play this game. because then,i will start screenshoting any comments you make with spelling and grammatical errors. we would be here all day

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Mike S's avatar

“Don’t” has an apostrophe between the n and the t, as all joined truncated words have to represent missing letters.

New sentences are normally started with capital letters.

Commas are not used to interrupt the flow of meaning within a single clause, but can be used between clauses.

….The grammatical education of Anubis continues.

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Enixonshapiro's avatar

In early 2021, I was 8 weeks pregnant and had a miscarriage. This was shortly after I got my first dose of the COVID vaccine. Having a modest background in medicine, I knew that more than likely, the mRNA had no impact on my pregnancy, and the loss was the result of something being wrong with the embryo. I reported it to the tracking site, but other than my partner, I felt like I couldn’t tell anyone about it because the vaccine would have been blamed for my miscarriage by people in my life who were already hesitant to get the vaccine. It has not pleasant to keep that to myself for so long.

A year later, I was pregnant with my youngest and got a booster with no adverse effects. He is now a healthy 2.5 year old.

How RFK Jr is framing this is dangerous, and exactly why I felt like I should silence myself earlier. Thank you for your words, Dr. Offit. It helps me organize my thoughts and armors me to talk about these things with people who don’t agree.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

I sincerely thank you for sharing such an intimate detail of your life here. In case you haven't noticed, at times it is not the safest & most supportive environment for doing so. In any case, it was a courageous thing to do, and certainly brings to bear a significant witness to the safety that study after study clearly indicates. Again, thank you.

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John Fontaine, Phm's avatar

Thank you sharing a sad & then happy events. Sorry for your loss, 👍 for speaking truth to power...the latter being fueled by the bully. The true science will prevail.

JJF Phm 🇨🇦

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stuart burstin's avatar

The lack of alignment of what Mr. Kennedy has done, which will put pregnant women and their babies at increased risk, with scientific/medical reality and their stated objectives of making people healthier is clear. They are putting their dystopian curtain over the reality of their doing the opposite, and that health had been improving on many paths such as vaccination including the life saving Covid-19 vaccine. This torturous twisting of reality to fabricate a paternalistic, kleptocratic regime that degrades a world order, which has allowed the improvement in living conditions around the world now at an inflection point of history is sign of the focal issue of our time. The world is facing a catastrophe of its own making from climate alterations at the same time that a tool to control peoples’ choices has become more effective. Unfortunately, the fact that greed has outrun virtue in leadership has allowed the world to be controlled by sociopaths who put power, control and wealth as their primary (perhaps only) objective. People without virtue and the dissolution of the rule of law has allowed a system of such inequaty to reward a few with power, which they have used to gain more wealth and power. It is not only vaccination and medicine that is being shredded by this regime, it is the fabric of a civilization based on the common good and the rule of laws. Welcome to another time to try man’s souls. Only now we have rolled the rock of climate catastrophe to the top of the hill, and can look down at the nuclear silos we have built to destroy life in the name of the tribal Tower of Babel we still live in. Many are pointing to the problems, now is the time to find a solution. At a minimum we need to follow the path of those who showed that non-violent protest can effect change. Be visible and vocal.

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Anubis's avatar

Did you read what you wrote?

How did you manage to type all that without bursting into laughter?

>It is not only vaccination and medicine that is being shredded by this regime, it is the fabric of a civilization

http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html

>based on the common good and the rule of laws

You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

Yeah, you are really concerned about the fabric of civilization and the rule of law as you support liability shielded drugs manufactured by companies who have settled the largest medical fraud cases in human history

Again I am amazed you type all the dribble without busting into laughter. I couldnt make it beyond the 4th sentence ...

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BillyJoe's avatar

Anubis <-- "bursting into laughter"

While he spreads misinformation that is killing our children.

A disgusting piece of human excrement.

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RB's avatar

No, it's really believed. Burstin is right, and they suceeded (e.g. election!) and still succeed. Look at Anubis.

It's a project. This is the health-part. The mirror of what Anubis believes is what's actually going on. It's done by the ones he believes, and their backers.

Target is government, regulation and taxes. Because those limit/hinder absolute individual power and wealth once gained ("Freedom"). And grift ("Freedom") .

Narrated from the correct idea that what worries Anubis are things that could potentially always go wrong. And sometimes do go wrong. And so should principally always be adressed or controlled. By goverment oversight and regulation. Paid with taxes. Which all are the targets of what's really going on. As told by Burstin. The things they (the other 'they') want to get rid of.

"Let's see how far we can go with making them believe anything, and act accordingly" Exactly what Anubis thinks is done with you, by the government. Or done by you, for government.

It appears they/it can go very far. Possibly sufficiently far at least..

Or:

"Without regulation, nothing can go wrong."

One must admit, that ís true, in a sense..

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RB's avatar

(Just more shit happening..)

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RB's avatar

(But at least it's free..)?

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Mike S's avatar

Instead of some graphs conjured up on MS Paint, can you link to the original data?

After all, those are your own rules, and as you say you are “duty bound” to honour them.

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Patrick McGovren's avatar

Dr Offit, Thank you for your courage.

Patrick McGovren

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BillyJoe's avatar

THE QUACKS ARE IN CONTROL:

Marty Makary:

"I think we can learn a lot from individual experiences [aka "personal anecdotes"] ... It has become this sort of dogma that we can only do things with evidence, and the evidence has been categorized in this artificial framework ... defined as randomized control trials [RCTs]."

Personal anecdotes over RCTs!

WTF?

Standing beside this quack, nodding along like a bobblehead, was another quack, Vinay Prasad, who spent the entire pandemic rejecting any recommendations NOT based on an RCT - which he demanded be done while thousands a day were dying of COVID-19.

[In the trade, this is known as "methodolatry" defined as:

"The obscene worship of the randomized controlled clinical trial as the be-all and end-all of clinical investigation and the only valid method to use".]

ABOUT FACE!

In fact, Vinay Prasad was simply lying during the pandemic, and he knew he was lying.

Hands up if you believed this lying arsehole and if you are still kissing his arse.

ANTIVAXXER = LIAR

Here come the stem cells, the chelating agents, the peptides, and all sorts of unproven and disproven alternative medications because someone somewhere once said they felt better.

Apparently, RFK junior, ever the quack, went to Antigua for stem cells for his spasmodic dysphonia and he is now cured. Right?

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Mary Koslap-Petraco's avatar

Thank you so much for your courage in pointing out the abject danger of this horrible decision by RFK.

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Vera Wilde's avatar

Thank you for this post, Dr. Offit. I always appreciate your clarity and concern for people.

Could you please explain the basis for your statement that "The United States is now the only country in the world that doesn't consider pregnancy to be a risk for severe Covid infection"?

I have not seen an updated CDC list of risk factors for severe Covid with pregnancy removed. Rather, as you note, the new FDA policy includes pregnancy and recent pregnancy on that CDC list (Figure 2, https://www.nejm.org/doi/pdf/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929).

Changing the CDC's recommendation language from "should" to "may" vaccinate, as the AP reported (https://apnews.com/article/covid-vaccines-cdc-kennedy-fd6ab0c7303a4a1698b319885a02ef54), and removing Covid from the CDC vaccination schedule for adults by medical condition (https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/adult-medical-condition.html) does not, in itself, imply that pregnancy is no longer considered an at-risk condition.

Based on these sources, it's not clear to me that the U.S. has stopped recognizing pregnancy as a risk factor for severe Covid. Rather, these changes appear consistent with recognizing that the burden of proof for establishing net benefit from Covid vaccination in pregnancy has not been met. I may be missing something, and would genuinely appreciate your clarification.

Warm regards and thanks again,

Vera

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Viral's avatar

"I may be missing something, and would genuinely appreciate your clarification .."

You may be. You know that Dr. Offit doesn't interact here, though. Thus, your question is not genuine.

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Vera Wilde's avatar

Actually, I'm a busy single mom of two and didn't realize that Dr. Offit didn't interact with his comments. Out of respect for my readers, I try to interact with mine. Perhaps he'll engage in recognition of my good-faith engagement, address my question in a future post, or email me to discuss the issue...

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Viral's avatar

You could start showing respect for your readers by not dribbling out debunked talking points and legitimizing Gøtzsche and Demasi.

"In a pair of books I recently reviewed, investigative journalist Brian Deer has established that Andrew Wakefield was a fraud;" - Impressive of you to acknowledge reality 15-plus years after the bandwagoners.

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BillyJoe's avatar

"Perhaps he'll engage in recognition of my good-faith engagement"

Stop LYING.

"address my question in a future post, or email me to discuss the issue..."

Another pathetic legend in their own mind.

Here I am, pay attention to me, I'm a special girl!

Good Heavens!

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Anubis's avatar

https://covidreason.substack.com/p/paul-offit-im-not-getting-this-years

Offit got off that bandwagon a long time ago.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Anubis <-- LYING BLOODHOUND.

He is after your children's blood.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Are you really trying to tell the readership here that Marty Makary, Vinay Prasad, and RFK junior did NOT say what they said in that video clip.

"the burden of proof for establishing net benefit from Covid vaccination in pregnancy has not been met"

LYING HOUND.

"I may be missing something, and would genuinely appreciate your clarification. Warm regards and thanks again"

Pull the other one, LIAR.

Warm regards, my arse!

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WC's avatar

I don't think anyone should be vaccinated for variants that no longer exist (these vaccines are always fightng the last battle) or that are no longer dangerous. Who know what that's doing to our immune systems and general health long term. There is such a thing as risk/reward and ignorance is a major risk. The entire approach should be scrapped in favor of anti-vitrals and anti viral research,

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steve's avatar

You have NO idea what you are talking about. One is NOT vaccinated for non-existent viruses!! And even if you are, it is NOT going to hurt your general health or immune system. And anti-viral drugs are NOT preferable to a vaccine. A vaccine is preventive health card. A drug is treatment for AFTER a disease is acquired. It is ALWAYS better to prevent than to treat!! You are spreading uninformed nonsense. Stop it!!

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Viral's avatar

Can it, parrot. "Who knows what that's doing to our immune systems and general health long term?" Have semi-random links - https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9870285/

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/15/5/e093366

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BillyJoe's avatar

Water Closet: "I don't think"

Finally, "The Toilet" says something I can agree with!

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Anubis's avatar

fortunately we still have informed consent. so if a pregnant woman is foolish enough to take that risk - natural selection will work its magic

Still

https://covidreason.substack.com/p/paul-offit-im-not-getting-this-years

Offit got off that bandwagon a long time ago.

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BillyJoe's avatar

"fortunately we still have informed consent."

UNfortunately, we also still have MISinformed REJECTION that is killing us.

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Anubis's avatar

Insane leap in logic

Lets play it out.

If vaccines work and you are thus vaccinated - why would you care about the vaccination status or ANY OTHER individual

Now let the mental gymnastics begin ...

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Indeed, lets play it out. If vaccines work and you continue to be happily unvaccinated, why are you even here? Let the clown car BS begin...

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BillyJoe's avatar

"If vaccines work"

Note the "if". The arsehole is lying with the very first word coming out of his ugly sewer mouth.

The mRNA vaccinations work. Period.

If you were vaccinated when you got your first COVID-19 infection, it reduced your risk of severe disease, the risk of disabling long term sequelae from the infection, and your risk of admission to hospital, the ICU, and the morgue by 95%.

"why would you care about the vaccination status or ANY OTHER individual"

READ THE ABOVE, ARSEHOLE.

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Anubis's avatar

>The mRNA vaccinations work. Period.

ONLY a brain dead idiot would make that statement. Even fauchi and walensky wouldnt say that RIGHT NOW

>If you were vaccinated when you got your first COVID-19 infection, it reduced your risk of severe disease, the risk of disabling long term sequelae from the infection, and your risk of admission to hospital, the ICU, and the morgue by 95%.

NO IT DID NOT. You cant prove that

There are millions of unvaccinated people who never walked into a hospital for Covid issues at the height of the SCAMDEMIC

And besides that goes against the definition of a vaccine. Which is supposed to protect from transmission and shield from infection. Yet we saw person after person announce a Covid infection shortly after a booster

>"why would you care about the vaccination status or ANY OTHER individual"

99.7% recovery rate means it was never anything to worry about

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BillyJoe's avatar

LYING ARSEHOLE.

M.Stankovich has issued you a challenge.

Put up or STFU. Arsehole.

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Mike S's avatar

That’s like asking: “If you stick to the speed limit, why would you care that other people don’t?”

The answer is obvious.

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Anubis's avatar

I dont inject speed limits into by bloodstream; you moron.

Try using logic if you would attempt a comparison between two ideas.

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Vaccines are meanth to protect against transmission and SHIELD from infection

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Thats the myth we were fed since childhood.

You cant use it in a speed limit comparison. You Imbecile

You could however use seat belts in such a comparison. It would fail because

I can remove a seat belt when i arrive at my destination - RESTORING my body to precisely the same condition it was in before I put on the seat belt.

A jab is intrusive, You cant undo a job. Once it enters your blood stream

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Mike S's avatar

It’s called an analogy.

You said you have a dictionary to help you understand difficult words…so look up the meaning.

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Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH's avatar

Dr offit has been critical of Covid boosters due to the inadequate scientific basis. https://time.com/6246525/bivalent-booster-not-very-effective-paul-offit/. Historically, many MDs have been cautious vaccinating pregnant women unless real placebo coWolled trials are conducted. Women who previously got COVID or acovid vaccine should e adequately protected unless Big Pharma has influenced Dr Offit's position

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steve's avatar

Flat wrong!! Immunizing pregnant has long been known as doubly effective--it not only protects the mother whose immune system is weakened by the pregnancy, it also provides early protection for newborns who immune systems take a few months to develop!! Ullman is a hack!!

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John Stiller's avatar

Truth

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NeedPornAlways's avatar

Dana Ullman was indicted for selling toxin-adulterated supplements.

https://www.justice.gov/news

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WC's avatar

But he's correct about what Dr. Offit said. I didn't boost for the very reasons Dr. Offit outlined and I could not be happier that I didn't. I don't want to be vaccinated for variants that no longer exist or tha are not dangerous. Who know what that's doing to our immune systems long term. There is such a thing as risk/reward and ignorance is a risk.

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Anubis's avatar

Dana is a grifting "homeopath," selling videos and quackery, and shitting out nonsense like; "Historically, many MDs have been cautious vaccinating pregnant women unless real placebo controlled trials are conducted."

You're a fan of Kirsch, Malone, Siri and the like.

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Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH's avatar

THANK YOU for telling people about my videos! Actually, these videos come with a 700+ page ebook called "Evidence Based Homeopathic Family Medicine" which provides references AND links to 500+ clinical trials published in peer review journals, including The Lancet, BMJ, Pediatrics, Pediatrics Infectious Disease Journal, Plos One, Cancer, The Oncologist, Chest, Rheumatology, European Journal of Pediatrics, and many more.

https://homeopathicfamilymedicine.com/

And have you ever wondered WHY BIg Pharma is so afraid of conducting real placebo controlled trials. Think about it!

And then, you'll realize who the real grifters are...and why Big Pharma shills seek to advocate for such unscientific investigations.

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Anubis's avatar

Your 2017 "book" is an insult to anyone gullible enough to pay for it. Commenters, have a look at what Grifter Dana charges to quack his victims.

https://homeopathic.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/2017SAMPLEHomFamilyMedicine.pdf

" "Evidence Based Homeopathic Family Medicine" which provides references AND links to 500+ clinical trials published in peer review journals, including The Lancet, BMJ, Pediatrics, Pediatrics Infectious Disease Journal, Plos One, Cancer, The Oncologist, Chest, Rheumatology, European Journal of Pediatrics ..."

References to shoddy, sloppy studies, retracted papers, and non supportive conclusions.

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steve's avatar

you do not get "boosted" for a virus that does not exist!! In fact, boosters are really not used--new shots directed to new viruses are used!! You have no idea what you are talking about!!

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BillyJoe's avatar

Water Closet (toilet) is also back, this time sucking up the shit shat out by that disgusting piece of human excrement called Dunno Dullman.

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Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH's avatar

First, there is no "news" about any indictment of me at the link you provided.

Indictment? Wrong. We won that court case proving that I was not "practicing mediicne without a license" but was providing "health care."

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/when-getting-arrested-for_b_9780342

So, from this "porn lovers" point of view, a court decision is not important. Such people are either Big Pharma bots or are just purposefully providing misinformation.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Dan DULLman is back with all the disgusting lies he has been spreading for decades.

I truly thought he must have relieved the world of his presence within it many years ago, but the ugly thing is still alive and spreading deadly disinformation and is continuing to kill our infants and children.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Anubis <-- keeps lying.

Like backflow from a sewerage pipe.

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Anubis's avatar

Well lets let the audience decide for themselves. Thats Offit in an interview ... but sure ... makes you feel better to call it lies

Clown world!!!

Sucker! (hes recommending something he wont take himself - lets he go the way of Scott Addams)

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BillyJoe's avatar

Keep lying by omission, arsehole, rombios must be proud of his little boy.

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BillyJoe's avatar

A list (not mine, though I recognise every last one of them) of antivax arseholes that RFK junior will likely choose from to replace the 17 members of the ACIP that he has just fired:

Del Bigtree (a candidate for the lay or consumer representative)

Byram Bridle, BSC, MSc, PhD

Christopher Exley, PhD

David Geier (he might not fly because he doesn't have an advanced degree)

Tracy Høeg, MD

Brian Hooker, PhD (a good candidate given his ties to RFK Jr.)

Pierre Kory, MD

James Lyons-Weiler, PhD

William Makis, MD

Paul Marik, MD

Anthony Mawson, PhD

Peter McCullough, MD

Joe Mercola, DO

Harvey Risch, PhD

Bob Sears, MD

Christopher Shaw, PhD

Aaron Siri (another candidate for lay or consumer representative?)

Mark Skidmore, PhD

Sherri Tenpenny, MD

Paul Thomas, MD

Andrew Wakefield, MB, BS

Let's see how it goes.

But if this IS how it goes, expect to see vaccines progressively removed from the schedule over the next 4 years and no new vaccines approved.

(Reference: Dr David Gorski of "respectful Insolence")

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Robin's avatar

Form a shadow vaccine advisory committee so Americans have a place to go for factual information on vaccines

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Greg's avatar

Americans?! You mean the few who had their 11th Covid boosters, and are still driving alone in their cars with windows up and masks on?

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Robin's avatar

Learn how to read. Might do ya some good.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Greggy <-- BOOSTER BOZO.

Nothing to see here but eGREGious lies by an anti-vaccine lunatic.

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