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Sheila k's avatar

As a Pediatric hospitalist who practiced for 26 years at a community hospital and saw children critically ill from COVID, influenza, rsv, pneumococcus and meningococcus to name a few diseases that can now be modified/ eliminated through vaccination, I could not agree more with Dr Offit. Children are already needlessly suffering and dying and more will follow because of RFK jr and his non evidence based beliefs. Vaccines save lives and to say that RFK jr is waging a war on children is sadly not hyperbole. He should step down or be fired.

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Janine Pera's avatar

Until there is an efficient and effective mandatory capture system for adverse events from vaccines, no claims of safety can be made. Also, the pre licensing clinical trials were not done properly. There were people, including children, who were seriously injured in the clinical trials that were either removed from the final statistics or were labeled as having minor symptoms.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

"There were people, including children, who were seriously injured in the clinical trials that were either removed from the final statistics or were labeled as having minor symptoms."

Citations required.

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https://acis-api.flcourts.gov/courts/68f021c4-6a44-4735-9a76-5360b2e8af13/cms/case/172e2f34-0a47-41fa-a92f-6fc5ad21b4c9/docketentrydocuments/014d2065-ab2b-40b7-b42e-534adf57e553

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None of Moderna publications regarding MRNA-1273 boosters describe these VRMP events. Moderna accomplished this in much the same way Pfizer did, by simply not publishing any journal articles regarding the experiences of the over 19,000 booster recipients from P301 and not using results derived from that group to support its booster application to the FDA. Instead, Moderna used a smaller dose-finding study, P201, to build an immunogenicity cohort of just 660 participants and compare these surrogate endpoints to the phase three results from the P301 trial.

In March of 2022, these results of this smaller P201 cohort were published in an article named Immune response to SARS-CoV-2 after a booster of mRNA-1273: an open-label phase 2 trial, where Moderna proclaimed that "[n]o serious adverse events (SAEs) were reported up to 28 days after the booster injection." This completely ignored the experiences of the 32 times larger cohort Moderna had boosted in P301, which saw a total of 755 SAEs in 3.85% of its over 19,000 participants and, of course, the two VRMP cases. Because the P301 cohort was not utilized to secure an approval or reported on in a journal, no one would find out about these two VRMP cases for literal years. Even when their existence was finally disclosed on December 21, 2023, the summary tables Moderna published still did not contain the relatedness information we were ultimately able to gather with our subpoena.

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Mike S's avatar

I note you don't state that until there is an efficient and effective mandatory capture system for adverse events from [insert product here], no claims of safety can be made.

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Janine Melnitz's avatar

I would argue that Paul Offit is part of the problem... It will take a long time to undo the brainwashing of many decades. There is a lot of money to be made and lost. Covid catastrophe and medical mandates woke many up...unfortunately the "experts" have egos and are not open minded to say the least.

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Janine Melnitz's avatar

That is so convincing…

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Heads up, that comment was not made by Mary Ann….. shit, Substack is being infiltrated by hateful immature brats.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Heads up. Substack is crawling with fraudulent McFarlands.

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SimulationCommander's avatar

LOL MAC is so important she has imposters! Crazy!

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

i boogied out of that Substack… geeze!

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Rebecca junco's avatar

In my reading about polio and smallpox history is that polio was much more linked to use of pesticides, herbicides, DDT, paris green, and maybe the simple gut virus which was and is normal flora in our gut. The Vaccines for both diseases did NOT save the world!!!!! More people were killed by the vaccines than were saved. See references Dissolving Illusions

Look at the 2 immune systems in our body--95% of natural immunity is the cell mediated system which is the first step and most important step to clearing an infection.

Next the humoral immune system produces antibodies for LIFE.We do not know all that this miracle of natural immunity involves and we should Not be interfereing with this miracle .

Vaccines are compromising both the immune systems in our body.

Yes some antibodies are produced with vaccines but where is the proof that these few antibodies really make a difference.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

You have no scientific evidence. You are uneducated and pushing misinformation because you're a conspiracy theorist. Stop it.

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John Collis's avatar

It’s not the antibodies that are important in vaccination but the memory T and B cells that ultimately survive. Once a pathogen has been cleared antibodies start to diminish with a half life of 21 days, leaving behind memory cells. By administering boosters, the antibodies created become more tuned to the pathogen and subsequently increase the number of memory cells.

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Cia Parker's avatar

I agree with most of this, but not the part about polio. Severe polio is usually linked to pesticide exposure, especially DDT. But the first polio epidemics in the US were in the 1890s, caused by exposure to other agricultural chemicals. The EV-68 epidemic in 2014-5 was associated with agricultural chemicals, and was a close relative of polio, crippling and killing a certain number.

But everyone has had exposure to agricultural chemicals. There is no way to avoid it, even if you do not use them on hour property.

Fortunately, the polio vaccines have been successful, and after decades of mass vaccination everywhere, have eradicated polio serotypes 2 and 3, and almost 1, which persists to a certain extent, but only in Afghanistan and Pakistan. The use of the more effective oral Sabin vaccine sometimes causes the live virus to mutate and cause crippling cases of polio. When it is no longer given, because serotype 1 is also wiped out, polio will no longer occur. The polio vaccine, like all vaccines, was not always safe, but it nearly always has been safe, was probably the safest of the vaccines.

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Anubis's avatar

"Severe polio is usually linked to pesticide exposure ..."

Another claim for which there is zero credible evidence. Now drop another social media gleaned turd for us

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Janine Pera's avatar

No one under 36 in my county in CA died from Covid, however many have been injured by the vaccine and one healthy recently Covid boosted 11-year-old died in front of his classmates from a heart event. Also in our county a pediatrician who was still practicing at the age 72 suffered a severe injury from one Covid vaccine. She was gaslit by her doctors until her neurologist at Stanford said her problems were definitely caused by the vaccine. He has seen many cases of neurological damage from these injections.

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Mike S's avatar

Amazing...yet more unverified anecdotes. Quite astounding how there are so many vaccine "injuries" in your county, probably more than documented in the entire state.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

"however many have been injured by the vaccine and one healthy recently Covid boosted 11-year-old died in front of his classmates from a heart event." <- Useless anecdotes are not scientific evidence.

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Janine Pera's avatar

Watch this documentary. Vaccine injured pediatrician Dr Jan Maisel was on some of the Zoom calls with Dr Peter Marks that are seen in the film. Jan lives in my county and I have been in regular contact with her.

https://youtu.be/ndyRgk8cHW8?si=I3uopuFo_OanzLu_

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Jay Kanta's avatar

"Watch this documentary." <- Not a documentary, propaganda.

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Cia Parker's avatar

There are two sides. Most vaccines are usually effective, except the acellular pertussis vaccine, flu, and Covid vaccines. All vaccines are sometines reactive, but sone are often disabling, including all three of the above, plus the hep-B vacvine. And Gardasil, Prevnar, and the meningococcal vaccine. Pertussis is frequent now, but nearly always relatively mild. Meningococcal disease is very rare, but very serious, often fatal. Flu and Covid are usually relatively mild now. Rsv is usually relatively mild. So the question is whether you want to probably get protection from mild or rare diseases, at the cost of frequent disabling vaccine reactions.

It is no longer tenable at this point to say Oh, just take the chance of autism, now in one in 25 American children, up from one in 3,333 children in 1987. A hundred times

more common. Surely you’d MUCH rather severely disable your child for life than have him get mild pertussis, mild measles, mild or subclinical meningitis, mild flu, or mild Covid. Yes, most diseases can sometimes take a severe form. Not all decisions are easy. But it’s still the case that all the vpds have effective treatments, whether allopathic, homeopathic, herbal, or vitamins. Also good nursing at home. Autism has no cure, and it WILL ruin the life of the child and his family.

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Heather Howell's avatar

And the science is clear that vaccines do NOT cause autism.

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Rebecca junco's avatar

Toxins everywhere in everything are causing damage to all of us.

Imbibing, injesting breathing,through skin, what's missing???

INJECTING-------Yes Vaccines have aluminum, Pediarix has 850 microgram in each shot, some still have mercury like the flu shot, animal and human tissue like Monkey kidney cells !!!there is more "science" that proves the toxins in vaccines injected in you and your child are harmful leading to a broad spectrum disorder called autism.

The observation of these childrens health plus the science -makes it crystal clear!~!~!!!!!!!!!

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Anubis's avatar

Toxins in your anal lubricant have rotted your brain, Beck.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

I like how you lie, Rebecca. Influenza shots no longer have Thimerosal UNLESS you get them from a multi-dose vial. And there is no evidence thimerosal plays any part in autism or any other malady or disorder.

You just have to lie and manipulate.

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Cia Parker's avatar

And most people still take flu shots from a multi-dose vial, being unaware that they have mercury.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

That's another claim you can't provide evidence for.

And it's not mercury. It's thimerosal which breaks down to ethylmercury which doesn't get taken up by tissues like methymercury.

Again, you have no scientific evidence for anything you believe, yet you believe it anyway.

Pathetic.

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Cia Parker's avatar

Read the books Evidence of Harm (Kirby) and The Age of Autism (Blaxill and Olmsted). Mercury caused millions of cases of autism in millions with long lives ahead of them still.

I will not stoop to reply to your insults.

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Reprobater's avatar

Why aren't you pushing putinist propaganda right now?

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Those are not scientific evidence. Those are just trashy propaganda from anti-vaxxers that know nothing about science.

Until you can bring citations to peer-reviewed research, shut up.

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Cia Parker's avatar

Yes, the toxins have been very damaging. But beyond that, the vaccination process itself is the major and insuperable problem when it irritates the immune system into responding with too much inflammation. Causing vaccine encephalitis and brain damage. Autism. Even the cleanest vaccine could cause autism because of the immune system reacting to foreign antigens in the bloodstream.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Citations required. Scientific research required. You have NOTHING.

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Cia Parker's avatar

Read the books I suggested.

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John Collis's avatar

Inflammation occurs during all contact with pathogens, irrespective of source. A significant number of serious cases of COVID19 were due to the immune system overreacting, a viral equivalent of bacterial sepsis.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Ginger Taylor is NOT a scientist. She's a clown. You have not brought scientific evidence. Encephalitis is NOT autism. Autism is only diagnosed in the ABSENCE of physical causes of behavioral issues.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2603512/

Stop lying, nutball.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Scientific evidence is bought and paid for by the pharmaceutical companies.

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Cia Parker's avatar

So look at the government sources reporting payouts for autism caused by vaccines, called encephalopathy. Since your knowledge of Greek is nonexistent, that means autism causes by illness of the brain, specifically vaccine encephalitis, or swelling of the brain, in too extreme of the inflammatory response necessary to force the production of the desired antibodies.

Sh-lls didn’t use to be repulsively obscene. It’s hard to see why your company would encourage you to do sonething which repulses decent people. But do carry on. Better that the decent people concerned about the modern wreck of children’s health see what you are and walk away.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

I swore I wouldn't respond to you again, but your comment is so ridiculous - "Since your knowledge of Greek is nonexistent" - and I laughed so hard, that I had to respond.

The actual Greek for "head" is κεφαλή - kefali, and, πάθος - pathos, literally means "suffering." In this case, if it also sounds vaguely familiar, is because it also is the root of the word "pathology." But the actual Greek for what you are calling "encephalopathy" is not spelled like you would imagine, rather it is derived from ἐγκέφαλος, where the second letter is actually "γ" gamma, which in this case is pronounced as if it were an "n," making the word "enkefalos," which literally means "in the head." All together, encephalopathy - for those who actually understand the ancient Greek - realize that it literally means "a suffering in the head," nothing more, nothing less, that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with autism, and you just made that up. You, by the way, are quite welcome for the Greek lesson.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Okay, so what else might be the cause? If they spent as much time researching what the cause is versus insulting and vilifying the people who suspect vaccines…. I think we all agree that we must figure out the cause(s).

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Robin Berry's avatar

Then look for the cause, and stop wasting time and (especially) money on the thoroughly disproven idea of vaccines. Vaccines do not cause autism.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Have you bothered to get an education and do the research yourself? Or do you just whine?

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Try this from the Johns Hopkins Online Mendelian Inheritance in Man database:

AUTISM

Other entities represented in this entry:

AUTISM, SUSCEPTIBILITY TO, 1, INCLUDED; AUTS1, INCLUDED

AUTISM SPECTRUM DISORDER, INCLUDED; ASD, INCLUDED

Cytogenetic location: 7q22 Genomic coordinates (GRCh38) : 7:98,400,001-107,800,000

INHERITANCE

Isolated cases

Multifactorial

NEUROLOGIC

Central Nervous System

Mental retardation in 75%

Seizures in 15-30%

EEG abnormalities in 20-50%

Behavioral Psychiatric Manifestations

Impaired social interactions

Impaired use of nonverbal behaviors, such as eye-to-eye gaze, facial expression, body

posture, and gestures

Impaired ability to form peer relationships

Impaired language development

Lack of spontaneous play

Restrictive behavior, interests, and activities

Stereotyped, repetitive behavior

Inflexible adherence to routines or rituals

LABORATORY ABNORMALITIES

Increased serum serotonin in 25%

MISCELLANEOUS

Onset by 3 years of age

Male to female ratio 4:1

Occurs in 2-5 per 10,000 individuals

Genetic heterogeneity (see, e.g., 609378, 608636, 608049, 300425, 300495, 300496)

Associated with tuberous sclerosis (191100)

Associated with untreated phenylketonuria (261600)

Associated with Fragile X syndrome (309550)

Description

Autism, the prototypic pervasive developmental disorder (PDD), is usually apparent by 3 years of age. It is characterized by a triad of limited or absent verbal communication, a lack of reciprocal social interaction or responsiveness, and restricted, stereotypic, and ritualized patterns of

interests and behavior (Bailey et al., 1996; Risch et al., 1999). 'Autism spectrum disorder,' sometimes referred to as ASD, is a broader phenotype encompassing the less severe disorders Asperger syndrome (see ASPG1; 608638) and pervasive developmental disorder, not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS). 'Broad autism phenotype' includes individuals with some symptoms of autism, but who do not meet the full criteria for autism or other disorders. Mental retardation coexists in approximately two-thirds of individuals with ASD, except for Asperger syndrome, in which mental retardation is conspicuously absent (Jones et al., 2008). Genetic studies in autism often include family members with these less stringent diagnoses (Schellenberg et al., 2006). Levy et al. (2009) provided a general review of autism and autism spectrum disorder, including epidemiology, characteristics of the disorder, diagnosis, neurobiologic hypotheses for the etiology, genetics, and treatment options.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

thank you, i will read later today!

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Anubis's avatar

I believe you.

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Cia Parker's avatar

It’s vaccines. There is no doubt. But there are unfathomable amounts of money in trying to say vaccines don’t cause autism.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I'm a nut job Cia - But you're too crazy for me. How about you regale us with Kremlin talking points about "spheres of influence" and "existential threats."

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Jay Kanta's avatar

False equivalency fallacy. How ignorant.

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ValB's avatar

And your medical degree is from where? Fox News?

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Mike S's avatar

She has no biology or medical knowledge. She is a non-practising lawyer.

She has previously claimed to know more about infections than the CDC, the WHO and the AMA put together.

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Janine Pera's avatar

Medical degrees do not equate to knowledge about vaccines.

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Mike S's avatar

And my plumber knows more about vaccination than I do, sure.

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Reprobater's avatar

But your "own research" does, malingerer?

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steve's avatar

A strong case can be made that RFK, Jr should be in jail for the deaths and damage his lies about vaccines have caused. Read about two such examples here: https://stevensclark.typepad.com/coronavirus_news_and_view/2024/08/deadly-vaccine-disinformation.html

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Andy's avatar

Fascist libs always want to lock people up.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Drecksfaschist!

Fascista del cazzo!

Espèce de fasciste !

¡Maldito facha!

¡Fascista retrógrado!

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steve's avatar

LOL, thanks for showing us your intelligence.....next time try to debate my comment and not me.....

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Andy's avatar

So you don’t want to lock people up?

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Those who took part in the killing of children through misinformation. RFK Jr. is clearly guilty of that in Samoa and now in the US.

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steve's avatar

just those who commit crimes. Don't you?

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Andy's avatar

You are my favorite commenter! “Tongue my taint”!!!! I love it!!!!

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Marian Kane's avatar

You are fucked

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Mike S's avatar

…Says the guy who voted for Trump and his fascist regime which is disappearing thousands of people each week, and who no doubt regularly calls for people like Fauci to be locked up.

🤪

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Andy's avatar

I LOVE “says the guy who” arguments!!!

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Ryan McCormick, M.D.'s avatar

The facts speak for themselves, the cruelty, ignorance, and anti-vaccination profiteering is self evident. Since we are reevaluating the rule of law and public service protections in general, who says these people undermining the standard of care, consensus guidelines, scientific evidence can't be sued for malpractice?

Especially as we tally up the extra dead children and long covid mothers next year

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Janine Pera's avatar

The UK and the Scandinavian countries stopped recommending Covid vaccines in 2022 for healthy children. The US had been the outlier in continuing to recommend the Covid vaccines for healthy children. No one under 36 has died from Covid in the county I live in, in California, however many children are severely injured and some have died from the vaccine.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

You're full of shit, crazy liar. You live in Marin County and sell supplements.

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Mike S's avatar

Yes, a few countries globally have tighter vaccine recommendations.

Many others don't.

What of it? Let's be swayed by the science, not by aping whichever authority you chose to champion this week.

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Ryan McCormick, M.D.'s avatar

Cite and link to your (credible) sources please?

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Sophocles's avatar

I’m in the uk. No healthy children or adults are recommended the vaccine for years now. I have never heard of a healthy child Covid death.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

I've never heard of rape in the UK. It's simply not a thing.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

OH! You haven't heard about it! Well it clearly doesn't happen, obviously. Because YOU say so.

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Sophocles's avatar

Stupid. Freedom of info requests show same thing. We collect good data here.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

As of 02/23, Public Health England (PHE) (Which is now NHS) reported that a total of 145 children aged 0 to 18 years old had died from COVID-19 since the start of the pandemic, but likewise reported that approximately 92% of children 0-18 were vaccinated, and by 02/23, 88% had received an additional booster. Apparently you do collect good data. You just don't know how to find it.

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Sophocles's avatar

None were healthy.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

According to the NHS, only 44 of the the 154 children had comorbidities ("underlying health conditions or were in a vulnerable group prior to contracting SARS-CoV-2") requiring ongoing medical care: 18 had neurodisabilities; 13 had respiratory diseases; 7 had cardiac disease; and 6 had either cancer or HIV/immunosuppression. That leaves 110 children who were otherwise healthy.

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Janine Pera's avatar

A simple Google search or ChatGPT explains what other countries did regarding Covid vaccine recommendations for children.

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Janine Pera's avatar

The extra dead children and adults in my community resulted from the administration of Covid vaccines, lack of early treatment protocols and the administration of Remdesivir.

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Anubis's avatar

Do those scattered extra dead children taste as delicious as the original batch? It really is true! You coastal elites grab the best of everything.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Citations required.

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Mike S's avatar

What about the extra people alive because they had vaccination? Why dismiss these?

They outnumber the folk dead from vaccines by at least a thousand to one.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Again you are making this up. According to the Marin County Health Department, as of December 31, 2022, 2 children between the ages of 0-17, 36 individuals between the ages of 18-49, and 193 individuals between the ages of 50-64 died from "illness directly attributable to Covid-19." Why do continue to make these things up when they are a matter of public record and can be easily fact checked? And you asked Dr.Offit to moderate this site for civility when you continue to outright fabricate stories?

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Kirsten's avatar

The flu vaccine is often only 40% effective. Covid shot may help with about 50-60% efficacy IF you get Covid within 3 months of the shot? People need to calm down. Remember, Rochelle Walensky tested positive for Covid 1 month after her covid booster. It’s ridiculous to be divided over this and resort to vitriole over a shot that is questionably effective at best, more likely harmful for young healthy boys, teens especially. Sad. Our country is sad. Even Offit discouraged his son to get a booster.

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Greg Arnett, PharmD's avatar

You’re incorrect in your thoughts.

Apparently you don’t know or want to know how vaccines work. A vaccine doesn’t keep someone from getting infected, it keeps them from developing severe disease. In that objective the COVID vaccines are 85-90% effective.

Remember the percentage of those who die or have died who were not vaccinated. Your description of dangers of the vaccines are also completely off, all vaccines can cause some immuno-reactivity, but compared to the disease it is far safer.

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WC's avatar

lmao

Vaccines are supposed to prevent infection and transmission. That was the goal of the Covid vaccines and how they were advertised by our corrupt govt, FDA, CDC, media and medical practitioners. When they failed badly, they moved the goal posts to "helps prevent serious cases and hospitalization". The success of that is to a large extent based on faulty stats. The most intelligent healthy people who take care of themselves and are most likely to go to a doctor quickly if they get sick are the ones most likely to get vaccinated. It's their health and behavior that's the primary reason they have better results.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

When are you going to publish your research supporting your claims, there?

Because currently there is no research to support your misinformation, and misinformation is the only label it deserves unless you can support it with something I've missed.

Go ahead.

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Mike S's avatar

It was initially hoped vaccines would stop transmission, and the early results of studies were falsely spun by politicians and some medical authorities, that is true. But goal posts were not moved...the early results also declared the success against severe disease, and this is not based onn "faulty stats".

[and if you think about it, the fact that it was the older, sicker people who were preferrentially vaxed means that study results showing the vaccines were effective means that their efficacy was under-estimated if anything].

They are only around 30% protective against infection, but up to 90% protective against serious illness and death and 50% protective against long covid.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

"Vaccines are supposed to prevent infection and transmission."

Well, where is your evidence?

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Kirsten's avatar

Yes they are supposed to help prevent infection:transmission. There are breakthroughs. My kids had chickenpox even though they were all vaccinated against chickenpox. That’s why the covid mandates were unethical— they didn’t prevent much at all. We all got covid eventually.Not sure how that is a lie?

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Kirsten's avatar

Jay Kanta-You seem overly arrogant about this topic.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

"I’m simply interested in medical discussions & hoping to learn about topics I don’t know much about."

You're just another disingenuous, provocative piece of shit. You "like" all sorts of inflammatory rhetoric and conspiratorial idiocy.

You're a bobby-brainworm fan - https://substack.com/@kirsten181226/likes

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John Collis's avatar

No vaccine ever has prevented infection. The immune response to a vaccine results in IgG antibodies and memory cells in the blood stream. Measles, SARS-CoV-2, Rubella, RSV and influenza all infect the upper respiratory tract, the antibodies in the mucosal surfaces are IgA. It is only when the infection reaches the lower respiratory tract that it encounters the IgG antibodies.

Whether a vaccine prevents transmission depends on the incubation period of the pathogen, for long incubation periods then the person is not contagious until they have symptoms (e.g. measles) and a high vaccination rate of around 95% will prevent the spread. However, if the incubation period is short, the person can have a high viral load before symptoms develop, thus are contagious for around 24 hours before symptoms appear.

The aim of vaccines is to serious disease, hospitalisation, ITU admission or death. Initial symptoms are caused by the immune system responding to a pathogen, specifically the inflammatory response.

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Kirsten's avatar

WC-Well stated,This is so true. The goal posts kept getting moved. We were part of the largest scientific experiment ever. Admitting where our government went wrong, and where it went right would go a long way to putting trust back into our health system.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Look at you lie, Kirsten.

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Kirsten's avatar

How am I lying? Just bc someone doesn’t agree with your line of thinking doesn’t make them a liar. Your tribalism is a bigger problem in my opinion—and I happen to agree with SOME of your points but I’m not a fan of people who are not willing to dialogue without name calling. It really is quite childish.

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Greg Arnett, PharmD's avatar

Offit may choose not to give an additional vaccine to his son, but I bet he does have his original series. Which implies cellular-robust immunity still. Also, the choice should be there if his son was caring for an immunocompromised person. RFK Jr has taken away that choice.

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Mike S's avatar

I think Offit was reluctant to recommend his son get a particular booster, because he was healthy and still had a degree of residual immunity from earlier vaccination. But as the years go by without any boosters, the risks associated with infection build up again and the virus mutates to different variants, and I would suggest that 2 years is the longest anyone should go without an updated booster.

His son got boosted anyway.

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Kirsten's avatar

Yes, he does have his original series, as so many of us do. I watched an episode of him discussing his views on this with another doctor.

The choice to vaccinate immuno compromised people has not gone away. The recommendation for 65 and older is still there. The recommendation for healthy people was lifted.

I have a child with Down Syndrome and I was very concerned early in the pandemic but our pediatrician told me there is no reason that my son, who is very healthy, thankfully, should respond to a covid infection different than any other healthy child. This was before the shot was approved for children. He was correct. In fact, I followed a doctor, who is now sitting as a vaccine expert for the FDA, and messaged him on his show about this, and he also told me the same thing. So that was 2 physicians who had nothing to do with each other that gave me the same sage advice. My son tested positive once and fully recovered in 5 days, tops. The second time, only my husband and I tested positive and my son never did. So, that's why I encourage people to talk with there physicians about their own situation. We did what was right for us and thankfully we have made the right decisions for our family. We do not make others feel bad or ostracize people for their decisions.

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Mike S's avatar

If your son has underlying cardiac anomalies, it is worth thinking about this wrt vaccination:

https://ibb.co/zHsc4v0d

It is from ana analysis in one of the major journals from 2021 or 2022. I can try and dig out the exact reference if you wish.

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Kirsten's avatar

As I said he is a healthy 12 yr old. No underlying medical conditions. He already had & recovered easily from covid.

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Mike S's avatar

I only asked because children with Downs have high rates of cardiac anomalies.

BW

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Reprobater's avatar

"I followed a doctor, who is now sitting as a vaccine expert for the FDA .."

Who was that? The FDA now ignores credible vaccine experts, when they're not actively countering them by edict.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Well that’s not what they told us. They said if you get the Covid vaccine, you will not get it nor would you transmit it to anyone else. Both lies. Now the Covid vaccine is showing negative efficacy after a few months- meaning that you are MORE likely to get Covid than the unvaccinated. How do you explain VAERS?? The amount of injuries and death from this vaccine would have had it pulled from the market within a year of its release. But not for this vaccine- why???

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Another subscriber to the craziest Substack shit. Your head is so full of sh-t that it's oozing from your ears and eyes. Puke the one about staying in the arm.

https://substack.com/@elizabeth837771

"FBI Seize 'Horrific' Obama 'Freak Off' Tapes Featuring Underage Justin Bieber"

https://substack.com/@elizabeth837771/note/c-105947619

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Jay Kanta's avatar

VAERS is not a valid source of causal data.

"Now the Covid vaccine is showing negative efficacy after a few months- meaning that you are MORE likely to get Covid than the unvaccinated. " This is a lie unsupported by any scientific evidence.

Get an education in science, please. If you don't have evidence for your claims, don't make them. VAERS is self-submitted and not valid for causal relationships. Adverse events are only linked by time, not by valid evidence.

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Kirsten's avatar

The negative efficacy idea is not a widely accepted theory. I’d argue it needs much more evidence. In the SF Bay Area you have probably one of the most highly vaccinated areas in the country and we do not have a Covid crisis here, so I’m not sure what kind of study that came from. I’ve heard people say that, but I don’t think it’s very credible. Many studies don’t take into consideration. Confounding variables, and so the outcomes are skewed toward the bias. It takes a statistical expert to really tease that stuff out. I hear all kinds of claims and studies, especially from people like Dr., Peter McCullough, who I really cannot stand after he made the claim that anybody who drops dead under 45. Likely got it from the Vaccine. That is the most unscientific claim I’ve ever heard from a professionals mouth. Any Dr. knows you can’t make an assumption about a patient without knowing their background. I lost all faith in him from that point on. Not only that he keeps trying to sell people a spike protein remover. Have you looked at the ingredients of his spike protein remover there’s nothing special about it. You can get all the tea leaves over the counter. He probably has a bridge to sell too.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

"I hear all kinds of claims and studies, especially from people like Dr., Peter McCullough, who I really cannot stand after he made the claim that anybody who drops dead under 45. Likely got it from the Vaccine. ... I lost all faith in him from that point on."

But you were cool with his credibility until THAT POINT.

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Eva Fain's avatar

Depends on the vaccine. Please know the problem with the covid vaccine was it was made in a different way than prior vaccines. It was made from mRNA. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-023-46233-6?fromPaywallRec=false

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Not all COVID vaccines are based in mRNA. Why do you have to lie?

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Cia Parker's avatar

Except that now, everyone in the US has been exposed to it and has antibodies.

Who is finding it safer compared to the disease? Not the millions killed or disabled by the vaccine!

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Mike S's avatar

There are not millions disabled or dead from covid vaccines. You are a plague pushing antivaccine fantasist.

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Kirsten's avatar

Ok , so you are proving my point. So no, my thoughts are not incorrect. sadly. First, You start off by putting me on the defense--definitely not encouraging a healthy dialogue. You have no idea who I am or what I know and don't know.

2) The vaccine is still recommended for those who are high risk and over 65 so opting to vaccinate to help protect against severe disease is still an option. The efficacy is debatable, but regardless it is shortlived and it relies on being infected in the most potent window of the vaccine's efficacy. How is that for odds.

3) the statistics that show vaccinated vs. unvaccinated require teasing out medical history, age, lifestyle etc. Too many confounding variables that have been ignored, study after study. In fact, there are countries whose population tends to be younger because they do not have the best access to medicine and vaccination schedules, so lifespan is shorter, didn't have those high death rates you are talking about because they had youth on their side and managed to recover from Covid just fine without vaccination.

My view on all of this is people need to take a step back, breathe and stop making personal attacks on one another. We all want the most effective treatments for whatever curveball comes our way. It's the mandates that lit the fuse for unproductive, hateful discussions because we were told if we didn't vaccinate we were murderers. Liveliehoods destroyed, families fell apart--some because you got the "clotshot" and some because "you are murderer". Before you make another assumption about me, I did get the first 2 pfizer shots and then later tested positive for Covid, which was considered a so-called"break-through" infection. Sure, whatever. So, to force people to get a shot or lose your job was not only unethical, it was inhumane. The vaccine NEVER protected 3rd parties. School lockdowns-inhumane. They hurt the most vulnerable families without the technology and supervision at home to allow for home safety while those essential workers went to do the work to keep our world on it's axis. I am not saying lockdowns were unneccessary in the beginning, the 1st month, perhaps, when we were trying to figure things out, but to force families to remain home except for essentials only & school lockdown, when both parents work, when households are without technology, was a big mistake which is playing out right now. You know who was least affected? middle to upper class families. Well, correction, we were affected in a different way. Our children were exposed to more social media than they should have ever had access to but that's a different topic. That was a tragic reality. Moreover, "experts" never adjusted these policies to make sense even after all these things were coming to light until it was too late. Covid policies remained in effect in some cities very late in the pandemic when most states had restrictions lifted. Anyway, whoever is entrenched in vaccinate vaccinate vaccinate, or don't vax youll die, I'm sorry it has come to this. Get your children vaccinated for the traditional vaccines we know have eliminated diseases over the decades and then discuss the rest with your doctor. We have so many environmental& lifestyle factors truly affecting the outcome of our health that our parents didn't have that we really need to keep our eye on the 8 ball and not go down these ridiculous rabbit holes.

Paul Offit is a respected pediatrician, not knocking him but I think he is rightfully biased and that's all i'm going to say about it.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Kirsten, you are obviously not educated in science. Stop making claims you can't back up with credible evidence.

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Kirsten's avatar

And you are I presume? You’re just trolling people because you haven’t provided any evidence yourself.

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Mike S's avatar

Lockdowns and restrictions were imposed to reduce the spread and therefore the severity of the disease caseload. left to its own devices, Covid would have run riot through the population before there was the chance to develop treatments and vaccines to help reduce its impact. It also would have closed schools, shut businesses, prevented travel etc IN AND OF ITSELF.

"Lockdowns" were damaging, I agree, but not having them might have been even more damaging socioeconomically, and certainly would have been more damaging medically.

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Kirsten's avatar

Covid ran rampant regardless. It’s viral. The vaccine never prevented transmission. They also found out that children were not transmitting it like adults were, another reason to keep schools open. My kids went back to school. And yes, my son eventually. Got Covid but he was going to get it at some point. We all did right?

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Frau Katze's avatar

Blocked & muted.

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Mike S's avatar

No, the shots are not "more likely harmful".

Risk benefit analysis shows they are beneficial accross all demographic groups, including young men.

The issue with myocarditis is now a historical one...it affected mainly young males who had their second covid mRNA shot 3 weeks after the first shot. That doesn't happen now (the interval is 3 months, which has cut the incidence of myocarditis, and most people have had primary shots in the past and are now into annual boosters if they so wish)

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Janine Pera's avatar

We wouldn’t have been so divided if they hadn’t mandated the jabs. Jobs were lost and lives were lost due to mandates, isolation, suppression of early treatment protocols and injurious and deadly Covid injections.

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Ryan McCormick, M.D.'s avatar

Nah.

On vaccine mandates and division: Public health measures during pandemics have historically been contentious, but the primary driver of division was often misinformation rather than the policies themselves. Most workplace vaccine requirements included medical and religious exemptions.

On job losses: While some individuals lost jobs over vaccine requirements, the economic disruption was primarily caused by the pandemic itself, not public health responses. Many businesses that implemented requirements did so to maintain operations and protect their workforce.

On "suppression of early treatments": Medical authorities followed evidence-based protocols. Treatments that lacked rigorous clinical trial support weren't recommended because unproven treatments can cause harm. As evidence emerged for effective treatments, they were incorporated into guidelines.

On vaccine safety: The COVID-19 vaccines underwent extensive clinical trials and continue to be monitored for safety. While rare side effects exist (as with all medical interventions), large-scale data consistently shows the benefits far outweigh the risks. The vaccines have prevented millions of hospitalizations and deaths globally.

Your comment conflates correlation with causation and attributes complex societal outcomes to single causes without acknowledging the underlying health crisis that necessitated emergency responses.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

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Jay Kanta's avatar

So you deny science, eh? Typical anti-vaxxer.

The science clearly shows that interventions saved lives. But your kind always thinks you know better.

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Elizabeth's avatar

40 percent effective for the flu vaccine is too generous. More like 20 percent. But think of all the aluminum you can keep especially in your brain. Besides the spike in autism, take a look at the Alzheimer’s rates. Yikes!!!

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Please stop lying about aluminum, vaccines and Alzheimer's. You know you can't support any of that with credible scientific research.

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Mike S's avatar

You do know flu vaccination is associated with a 40% REDUCTION in the risks of Alzheimer’s, I hope?

https://www.j-alz.com/content/uthealth-houston-study-flu-vaccination-linked-reduced-risk-alzheimers

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Greg Arnett, PharmD's avatar

I apologize -I didn’t mean to upset or put you on the defense….

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Cia Parker's avatar

I support Kennedy’s position. He stands for freedom of choice, which should be the sine qua non. Public health vaccine schedules can no longer recommend Covid vaccines for pregnant women, children, or healthy under 65s. This is a good measure, completely unobjectionable. There is a lot of evidence showing severe or fatal vaccine damage in many of all ages, although especially in young males who react with myocarditis in considerable numbers (as did I), but there’s no money in warning people about that. Covid vaccines may no longer be required for school, nor for health care staff. The onus is placed where it should always have exclusively been: in the hands of individuals and parents. I hope they will read extensively about the current state of both Covid and the vaccines before deciding to take it. It has not been prohibited or taken off the market, although maybe it should be. Big deal. People can get it if they want it. Bad choice, but people are free to make a lot of bad choices.

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steve's avatar

There is zero evidence showing fatal vax damage and YOU cannot provide ANY credible proof of that. You don't even look at the medical journals do you?? You are a fraud....

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Cia Parker's avatar

Look at Cause Unknown, by Ed Dowd. I don’t think anyone could read all of it, there are so many names, places, and dates of many recently vaxxed who suddenly keeled over and died of Sudden Adult Death Syndrome. The book is two years old now, so there are tens of thousands now of subsequent deaths not included. And then the tens of thousands offatal turbocancers caused by the Covid vaccine.

Zero evidence? Only if you refuse to see it.

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steve's avatar

Try CREDIBLE sources next time. Funny how the MMWR or ProMed--reports on the nation's health OR my medical colleagues have seen such problems. Read this if you dare: https://stevensclark.typepad.com/coronavirus_news_and_view/2025/05/new-data-on-covid-vaccine-deaths.html

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Janine Pera's avatar

One of my credible sources is my local coroner.

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Reprobater's avatar

When are you having these little discussions with your "local coroner?" Do you hang out with him at Starbuck's? Golf together? Bowling league? Post-coital sweet talk?

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Janine Pera's avatar

The discussions happen at the Sheriff’s Coroner’s Division Office. FYI the public is allowed access to the coroner’s log book and one can request copies of deceased individual’s investigative death reports. The coroner and pathologist and I have a professional and mutually respectful relationship.

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steve's avatar

sorry, unless the data are available for review it is just anecdotal information. And that information does NOT comport with data published weekly in the MMWR--the nation's health report card. Neither you nor the coroner are credibld, just anecdotal....

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Viral's avatar

Forget that guy's "zero evidence" standard. Cia's been a bona fide vaccine lunatic for over a decade.⁶

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Cia Parker's avatar

Ah. The fraudulent, pharma-funded medical journals. Right.

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steve's avatar

You are full of lies aren't you. You levy loaded statements that are NEVER backed up. Prove that 1) the medical journals are fraudulent, 2) that they are funded by pharma. Or 3) admit you are nothing but a lying shill....

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Cia Parker's avatar

Look at what Kennedy just said about the lying medical journals. Even Richard Horton, editor of The Lancet, wrote about his concern regarding the co-optation of medical journals by Pharma. Those who live under stones remain out of touch with reality.

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Mike S's avatar

Citing Kennedy as proof?

😂😂🤣🤣😂🤡🤡🤡

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Cia Parker's avatar

My in-box has this four-word comment as being by Steve. Just above it says it’s by Mike S. Surely you’re not using sleaze like him as a sock puppet! Or is he one of your stable? Did you interview him? Boy, it’s been a while since I just did at that image!

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Cia Parker's avatar

Envious, are you?

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

And Marcia Angell also commented on the corruption of the journals.

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WHYdidntEYEtakeTHEbluePILL's avatar

let’s be honest, nothing will change your opinion which is better described as a belief. but here is a shot ;)

Marcia Angell, who served as Editor-in-Chief of the New England Journal of Medicine (NEJM) from 1999 to 2000, has been a vocal critic of pharmaceutical industry influence. In her 2004 book, The Truth About the Drug Companies: How They Deceive Us and What to Do About It, she stated, "It is simply no longer possible to believe much of the clinical research that is published, or to rely on the judgment of trusted physicians or authoritative medical guidelines."

Richard Smith, Editor-in-Chief of the British Medical Journal (BMJ) from 1991 to 2004, wrote a 2005 article in PLOS Medicine titled "Medical Journals Are an Extension of the Marketing Arm of Pharmaceutical Companies." He argued that journals are heavily dependent on pharmaceutical industry funding through advertising, reprints, and sponsored supplements, which compromises their objectivity.

Fiona Godlee, Editor-in-Chief of the BMJ from 2005 to 2021, stated in a report that the influence of Big Pharma represents a "corruption of the scientific process." She emphasized how financial ties, including payments to editors and peer reviewers, compromise the integrity of published research.

Richard Horton, Editor-in-Chief of The Lancet since 1995, wrote in 2004, "Journals have devolved into information laundering operations for the pharmaceutical industry." This statement, made while he was still editor.

Arnold Relman, Editor-in-Chief of the NEJM from 1977 to 1991, warned about the pharmaceutical industry’s influence, stating, "The medical profession is being bought by the pharmaceutical industry, not only in terms of the practice of medicine, but also in terms of teaching and research." Relman’s critique, expressed in a 2002 article in The New Republic.

Jerome Kassirer, who served as Editor-in-Chief of the NEJM from 1991 to 1999, has criticized the pharmaceutical industry’s influence on medical research and publishing. In his 2005 book, On the Take: How Medicine’s Complicity with Big Business Can Endanger Your Health, Kassirer argued that financial ties between researchers, editors, and drug companies distort scientific publications.

Drummond Rennie, a former deputy editor of the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), has been a pioneer in studying peer review deficiencies. He has argued that peer review is "slow, expensive, ineffective, something of a lottery, prone to bias and abuse, and hopeless at spotting errors and fraud." Rennie’s critiques, including those in a 2003 book edited by Fiona Godlee and Tom Jefferson (Cochrane).

while not a peer reviewed journal editor - John Abramson, a former clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School and author of Overdosed America (2004), has been cited by editors like Marcia Angell for his critiques of pharmaceutical influence. He stated, "Journals have to see the primary data. You cannot be irresponsible enough to publish an article and say that article has been through peer review when all the primary data and protocols haven’t been made available to you."

what Abramson is referring to is: in industry-funded clinical trials, which account for up to 70% of trials in major journals like NEJM or The Lancet, the sponsoring company often retains control of the primary data. Researchers only have access to curated datasets, and journals receive even less—typically just the manuscript’s summary tables or figures. Full study protocols, which detail how data were collected and analyzed, are often not provided to journals or are only partially disclosed. Peer review typically evaluates the manuscript’s narrative, methods, and conclusions based on what is submitted, not the raw data.

Abramson relates this issue to Merck’s Vioxx scandal where internal data showed cardiovascular risks, but published studies in major journals downplayed these risks. Journals like NEJM later issued corrections after thousands died.

George Lundberg, Editor-in-Chief of JAMA from 1982 to 1999, has spoken out about the pharmaceutical industry’s influence on medical publishing. In a 2001 interview with The Lancet, he noted that journals’ reliance on advertising and reprints from drug companies creates conflicts of interest that can bias editorial decisions.

John P.A. Ioannidis, a meta analysis researcher and professor at Stanford University, published a highly influential paper in 2005 titled "Why Most Published Research Findings Are False" in PLOS Medicine. While this paper does not specifically single out pharmaceutical clinical research as fraudulent, it argues that a significant portion of published research across various scientific fields, including clinical medicine, is likely to report false or unreliable findings due to issues like bias, low statistical power, and financial conflicts of interest.

Tom jefferson British epidemiologis and long time member of the Cochrane Collaboration - in a 2003 Cochrane review titled “Effects of Editorial Peer Review: A Systematic Review,” published in JAMA, Jefferson and co-authors concluded that there is little hard evidence that peer review improves the quality of published biomedical research.

the biopharma industry thinks there is a problem: 72% of biomedical researchers think field is facing a reproducibility crisis: survey

https://www.fiercebiotech.com/research/72-biomedical-researchers-think-field-facing-reproducibility-crisis-survey

regarding medical journals being primarily funded by the pharma industry:

in a 2005 PLOS Medicine article, Richard Smith, former Editor-in-Chief of the British Medical Journal (BMJ), argued that medical journals are heavily dependent on pharmaceutical industry revenue through advertising, reprints, and sponsored supplements. He noted that “many medical journals have a substantial income from pharmaceutical companies” from these sources, which can influence content. For example, reprints of favorable industry-funded trials can generate significant revenue, with a single trial reprint order costing up to $1 million for a journal like The Lancet or NEJM. Smith estimated that The Lancet generates about $40 million annually and NEJM around $100 million, with reprints being a major profit driver due to lower production costs compared to advertising.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1140949/

A 2024 JAMA study found that 58.9% of peer reviewers for four top medical journals (BMJ, JAMA, The Lancet, NEJM) received $1.06 billion from the pharmaceutical and medical device industries between 2020 and 2022, with $1 billion for research funding and $64.18 million in general payments (e.g., consulting, travel, speaking fees).

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2824834

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Oh look, the uneducated one is copying and pasting from a blog.

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WHYdidntEYEtakeTHEbluePILL's avatar

oh look - using a logical fallacy (ad hominem) while also accusing (inaccurately) someone of committing a logical fallacy.

go get your booster didnt you hear about the latest variant! its scary

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Mike S's avatar

Nobody does reprints in paper format now. Get real, and catch up will you?

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I received a Substack message from you at 4:06 this morning. And since I can't find your comment anywhere, I will do that here. You accused me of lying about Dr. Strasser at Hamot Hospital being a cardiac surgeon when in fact he is a medical cardiac specialist. You are correct, but why you would assume I lied about it is kinda nuts especially since I provided you with his name and phone number. We've been dealing with a lot of doctors (including an endocrinologist and a handful of other docs in the UPMC system) since the surgery and I made an error. The surgeon was Dr. Francis D. Ferdinand, also of Hamot Hospital, in Erie PA. At the moment, Dr. Strasser is overseeing my husband's recovery. I apologize for the error. Now you can calm down.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

That last article doesn't actually identify any COIs. It implies it, but it doesn't actually identify them. Receiving payment for work doesn't automatically mean that person was involved in reviewing any favorable papers.

Also, what you're doing is called a "genetic fallacy". You can't provide credible evidence of your own so you attack the sources of scientific research, or at least a few of them, in order to poison the well.

It doesn't work. YOU need evidence, or at least to identify problems with the research. You can't do that, so you attack sources.

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WHYdidntEYEtakeTHEbluePILL's avatar

let's try to agree on something: "The genetic fallacy is a logical fallacy where a claim is accepted or rejected based on its origin rather than its merit or content. It's like saying something is bad simply because it came from a bad source, or good just because it's from a good source, without considering the actual evidence or reasoning. "

i googled it.

so you are telling me a dozen editors or deputy editors from major peer reviewed medical journals are not credible sources about the places where they worked in leadership roles - in many cases for decades?

and the fact that much of the peer reviewed process is based on pharma companies summaries and not the raw data is not evidence?

HHS Sec RFK Jr has repeatedly mentioned the anecdote about his conversation w/ long time friend and newscorp exec Roger Ailes: "Bobby, during non-election years, the bulk of news division revenue comes from pharmaceutical advertisers. I would fire any Fox host who allowed you on their show. And if I didn't Rupert [Murdoch, the network owner] would be on the phone with me in 10 minutes demanding scalps."

OK, jay.

better get that booster, base your diet on the food pyramid and not get any exercise cause that'll make you right-wing.

and be sure to stay 'up to date' on those shots. HHS is now compromised right? so better follow rochelle walesnsky's recommendations. how often should you be boosting?

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steve's avatar

since many of the journals do not publish pharm related articles or publish a lot of things besides pharm related articles, this criticism is about as useful as Eliot Musk's chainsaw approach to government. AND the solution is NOT making government run journals the only option!

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WHYdidntEYEtakeTHEbluePILL's avatar

ty for proving my point.

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Cia Parker's avatar

Wow, this is extremely impressive, useful information in one place! I screen shotted it for future reference! Thank you!

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Darlene's avatar

Prove the gene therapy works

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

mRNA vaccines are not "gene" therapy. This is anti-vaccine rhetoric, and false. From the Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews:

Graña C, Ghosn L, Evrenoglou T, Jarde A, Minozzi S, Bergman H, Buckley BS, Probyn K, Villanueva G, Henschke N, Bonnet H, Assi R, Menon S, Marti M, Devane D, Mallon P, Lelievre J-D, Askie LM, Kredo T, Ferrand G, Davidson M, Riveros C, Tovey D, Meerpohl JJ, Grasselli G, Rada G, Hróbjartsson A, Ravaud P, Chaimani A, Boutron I. Efficacy and safety of COVID‐19 vaccines. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2022, Issue 12. Art. No.: CD015477. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD015477. Accessed 29 May 2025.

Authors' conclusions:

Compared to placebo, most vaccines reduce, or likely reduce, the proportion of participants with confirmed symptomatic COVID‐19, and for some, there is high‐certainty evidence that they reduce severe or critical disease. There is probably little or no difference between most vaccines and placebo for serious adverse events. Over 300 registered RCTs are evaluating the efficacy of COVID‐19 vaccines, and this review is updated regularly on the COVID‐NMA platform (covid-nma.com).

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WHYdidntEYEtakeTHEbluePILL's avatar

by Moderna's own admission as categorized by the US FDA mentioned in a 2019 Form 10-K filing (filed February 26, 2020), Moderna stated: "Currently, mRNA is considered a gene therapy product by the FDA."

page 163

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steve's avatar

prove it is gene therapy. Do you even know what that is? If so, tell us how an mRNA vaccine can do that while a whole virus vaccine (with ALL the viral mRNA does not).

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Cia Parker's avatar

M.,

Are there limits regarding online decorum specified in your contract which you feel you can circumvent talking through sock puppets? That is very low.

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Elizabeth's avatar

Ever heard of VAERS? The amount of injuries and death from this experimental injection warrants it being pulled from the market years ago. Why would you want to inject yourself or your child when there are no long term clinical trials? Ever read the Pfizer papers? Check out Dr Naomi Wolf who reviewed the documents and found some horrifying evidence.

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steve's avatar

Have you ever looked at the VAERS site? If so, you must have noticed the disclaimer that says that the data do NOT reflect vaccine injury until it is vetted and proven. VERY few of the allegations are due to vax injury. In fact, one poster claimed that the vaccine turned him into the Incredible Hulk. THAT is how reliable the unvetted raw data on the VAERS site are. Get smart!!

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Jay Kanta's avatar

VAERS has a warning against using the data in the way you're using it.

VAERS does NOT justify pulling any vaccines.

You have failed to identify any scientific research. Naomi Wolf is a poet, not a scientist. She is not objective, she is just a clown.

Get something credible.

There is no such thing as "long term clinical trials". Your kind keeps making that up.

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Cia Parker's avatar

VAERS data was used to pull use of the oral polio vaccine in Western countries and one of the rotavirus vaccines. In the days before Pharma was given free rein.

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Naomi B Bishop, MD's avatar

What your philosophy fails to recognize is that removing the recommendations gives insurance companies the right to make an even bigger profit by no longer covering the vaccine. So, no, people who want it (because their grandmother who lives with them has lupus or cancer), can’t afford to get it . Or the child who finally beat leukemia can’t return to school because the risk of being exposed to the virus is too great. Actions have consequences that reach further than the tip of your nose. So, you, and others who share your views, are actually deciding for people whether they can get the vaccine. And, by the way, the myocarditis risk for young males (which exists for the actual virus as well) was built in to the CDC guidelines. As far as I am aware, most cases have been mild and children have fully recovered and not had long term consequences, except for the need for continued surveillance.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Slight or no chest discomfort, or palpitations; short duration; no lasting damage verified by EKG or MRI; no impact on ejection fraction; full function recovery; no recurrence.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

You believe there’s such a thing as “mild myocarditis”? Interesting. So scaring of the heart has no long term consequence? Your state called and wants its license back.

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Viral's avatar

Absolutely there are mild cases of myocarditis. So mild as to be asymptomatic, and incidentally picked up on an MRI. You're pretty cocky for a stupid person.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I suppose you will now say that doctors who claim there is no such thing as “mild” myocarditis are quacks, including those cardiologists who have been practicing for decades. Fwiw, my husband’s cardiologist disagrees with you, especially in young men.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I'm a physician. EM/IM. Great on paper. A real elitist. Been at it a long time. You and your stories about "husband's cardiologist" and your doctor's lacrosse playing daughter. "Died suddenly," by being pulled from your ass

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

His name is David M. Strasser, a cardiologist with Hamot Hospital (an affiliated hospital with UPMC) in Erie,PA. You can reach him at 814-877-9756 and leave a message with his nurse Anastasia. He did open heart surgery (a double bypass) on my husband on Dec. 17, 2024. I deeply resent your comment. I’m sure he’d love hearing from someone like you. I hope to God I never meet a doctor as uncaring as you are.

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John Collis's avatar

Myocarditis can be asymptomatic in some people. It occurred after the smallpox vaccination administered to US military personnel in the early 2000’s and was found to be mild and reversible. Then there’s chronic myocarditis and fulminant myocarditis, which can lead to heart failure.

See https://patient.info/heart-health/myocarditis-leaflet

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Mike S's avatar

Most cases of myocarditis are mild, or even asymptomatic.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

My doctor was full steam ahead on COVID everything, until her 16 year old went down on the LaCrosse field…. Myocarditis. Which brings me to another story that I’m still not buying…. Buffalo Bills Damar Hamlin…… that was a bit sketchy.

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Viral's avatar

I don't believe you, you sketchy freak.

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Mrs. McFarland's avatar

Sadly, only you can prevent TDS…..and you got it bad.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

That’s not me who made that comment below. I’ve heard of people using other people’s names on Substack.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I never bought that story either.

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Mike S's avatar

What makes you think myocarditis “scars the heart”?

Most minor inflammatory disease does not result in tissue scarring. Only seriously damaging and extensive inflammation does this, and this is absent in 99% of myocarditis cases.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Myocarditis can range from subclinical to catastrophic. Many cases are indeed mild. Most cases do not lead to permanent sequela. Myocarditis is not treated with angioplasty, the procedure your husband had. You have no clue what you're ranting about.

"I believe that someday all shots will be eliminated and tossed into the dustbin of medical history along with thalidomide"

So you are beyond logic and reason.

And thalidomide is licensed in US, EU, UK, AU, CA, BR, etc.- Under strict prescribing conditions.

https://www.accessdata.fda.gov/drugsatfda_docs/label/2014/020785s055lbl.pdf

https://www.ema.europa.eu/en/medicines/human/EPAR/thalidomide-bms

Neurosurgery is still a thing too ...

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Janine Pera's avatar

Mild reactions? I know many people who are severely injured and many who have died from Covid vaccines. The CDC does not have a mandatory efficient and effective adverse events capturing system for any vaccines. They mostly choose to ignore and hide the negative effects.

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The VAERS site is overseen by the HHS, currently run by RFK. If you are concerned, please contact him and ask him to review it (unless DOGE has already torched it). The data are provided by physicians, patients, and anyone who has experienced an adverse event. The entries are NOT entered or removed by the CDC. Rather, the site serves as an "open forum." All cases that may be associated with a vaccine are investigated further. Have you been on the site (vaers.hhs.gov)?

During the pandemic, a new site (V-safe) was set up specifically for reporting COVID-19 vaccine-related adverse events. Vaccine recipients could enable it on their mobile phones after being vaccinated. There were daily reminders for a week to report any adverse events, followed by less frequent surveillance. I'd call that aggressive with ample opportunity to report adverse events. I'm not aware that V-safe reported many vaccine-related deaths. However, there were more than 1 million virus-related deaths, as you'll recall. As a New Yorker, I will never forget the trucks that served as pop-up morgues to house the overflow of bodies when the hospital morgues were at capacity. Those were mainly people who died of the virus before the vaccine was available. To deny that is to disrespect them.

Please provide the reference for your statement, "many who have died from COVID vaccines." I'd like to educate myself.

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Janine Pera's avatar

I am aware of all that you mentioned. Unfortunately VAERS is a self reporting system and the CDC does not follow up on most of the reports. Many nurses were discouraged from completing VAERS reports. Many didn’t even know it existed. Too many people died in NY unnecessarily due to improper treatment. Here is a link to a V-SAFE interactive dashboard. This was created by a nonprofit organization that had to sue the CDC twice to get the data.

https://icandecide.org/article/v-safe/

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Stupid lies devoid of any evidence.

F-wit.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Shut up liar, this gets really old. You have no evidence.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Janine is a failed supplement seller and professional chronically ill person. Her malingering goes back a decade or more. "Chronic Lyme," "ME/CFS," faux-MCS, factitious autoimmune disorders, etc.

Just shit on it and move along.

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Mike S's avatar

I hear that you personally know of 10 people who died from Covid vaccines.

That means the remaining 346,999,999 Americans will have to divide up the personal knowledge of the other 10 verified deaths between them, somehow.

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Mike S's avatar

IIRC, Janine personally knows about half of the individuals in the US who have had a death confirmed to be vaccine related. She must get out a lot.

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Viral's avatar

Almost like her knowing them is the actual lethal exposure. She also "professionally" knows her local coroner and sheriff's pathologist. Maybe they all hang out together at Dunkin Donuts and play Show-ahd-Tell with massive white blood clots.

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BethC's avatar

This seems more like a problem with our insurance system, not the change in recommendations.

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Cia Parker's avatar

Except for thr many who have died of it. It has been a long time since the government stopped paying for the covid vaccine. Who cares? The govt doesnt pay for most vaccines.

I am completely unwilling for a penny of my tax dollars to be spent on covid vaccines for anyone. The goverment imprimatur means nothing regarding safety or effectiveness, which are very low. Remember the shocking Safe Vax reports showing very high rates of reaction and death from the covid vaccine?

Kennedy has only taken the covid vaccine off the list of recommended vaccines. There should be NO ofgicially-recomnended vaccines, especially when, if you react, you’re on your own. Neither tge CDC mor anyone else will help you or even listen to you.

You want the vax? Fine, you can get it. No one will stop you. Yes, you have to pay for it. As you do nearly everything else in life. Kennedy is not stopping you from getting it.

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

I was the one earlier this week who said (sarcastically) that people should be able to get as many covid shots as possible, or something to that effect. My real concern is that the shots should be taken off the market and those who were injured should be acknowledged and helped. In fact, I believe that someday all shots will be eliminated and tossed into the dustbin of medical history along with thalidomide and lobotomies.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

No evidence. No claims.

You are incapable of justifying any of your opinions. Just like RFK Jr.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Cia's another one that prolifically shits all over Offit-land (when she's not spreading russian lies).

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hierochloe's avatar

Exactly - also, Novavax got completely dumpstered from what I can tell, so even those who might want/need non-mRNA might be completely out of options in the USA

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Mary Ann Caton's avatar

Is this all you can say? Limited vocabulary.

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Janine Pera's avatar

She has a potty mouth and is rude. Offit should set some standards of respect for those who comment.

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Sobshrink's avatar

Cia, I'm not going to get into a debate with you on the science other than to suggest that if you want to persuade others (which you clearly are failing to do here), that you take courses in research methods/experimental design and statistical analysis of data. (If you've already taken them, go re-read your text books). But I'm mainly writing because I want to address another area where you are demonstrably incorrect when you claim about the vaccine, "People can get it if they want it," and that Kennedy "stands for freedom of choice." The fact is there are plenty of low income folks who want to get the vaccine, but due to Kennedy, it will not be covered by insurance or Medicaid if they don't fall into one of his neat little boxes, not to mention the fact that it is extremely common for people to have pre-existing health conditions that they don't even know about, and sometimes people who are demonstrably healthy die of Covid. That is beyond dispute and it doesn't take an understanding of research design or statistics to comprehend it (although I'm sure there are delusional people who will deny it like they deny the earth is round). So I suppose you think poor folks can "pay for it themselves." No they can't. But who cares about poor folks, right? It goes to show that people on the right want "freedom" and "choice" for themselves, but are happy to deny those rights to people who do not agree with them or who are too poor to matter.

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this is a claim with no credible substantiation: "The fact is there are plenty of low income folks who want to get the vaccine..."

Like who? the continent of Africa, Hati among other poor nations fared BETTER than the heavily mrna vaccinated nations in terms of all cause mortality over the course of the covid emergency period 2020-2024.

did you read Dr's Makary & Prasad's write up in NJEM demonstrating their recommendations put the USA in line with most 'western' nations?

here is a link to the table from the article: An Evidence-Based Approach to Covid-19 Vaccination

https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMsb2506929

Also:

"But who cares about poor folks, right?"

you do realize 'the west' decided to coerce their citizens through fear (winter of illness and death - biden WH) & financial threats ("when you make it difficult for people in their lives, they lose their ideological bullshit, and they get vaccinated." - fauci) instead of offering these shots for free to less wealthy nations, right?

you seem to think your opinions are facts, but they are opinions and there is evidence they are ill informed opinions.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

That is a nonsensical letter, not a credible source for anything.

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Sobshrink's avatar

" the continent of Africa, Hati among other poor nations fared BETTER than the heavily mrna vaccinated nations in terms of all cause mortality over the course of the covid emergency period 2020-2024." Apples and oranges. Average age in Haiti = 23, and "This study highlights the weakness of SARS-CoV-2 screening and care system in Haiti, particularly in the poorest communes, suggesting that the number of COVID-19 cases and deaths were probably greatly underestimated." (https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12889-024-19262-7)

Africa has a median age <20 while Europe and US > 38, not to mention different climates and potential immunity from past exposure to coronaviruses in Africa.

(https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7410455/#:~:text=Africa's%20more%20youthful%20population%2C%20with,COVID%2D19%20cases%20and%20deaths.)

Yes, I read the NEJM article in which they compared apples to oranges (we do not have universal healthcare coverage as do all the other western nations), nor did they answer any of Dr. Offit's and others' critical questions, and despite claims of transparency, they wouldn't do the most basic act of taking questions. As for there being no substantiation that there are plenty of poor folks who want the vaccine, "Lower-income Americans continue to be particularly concerned (38%) about getting a serious case of COVID-19," and "Black adults and adults with lower incomes express more concern about the personal health and public health impact of the coronavirus than White adults and those with upper incomes." (https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2024/03/07/how-americans-view-the-coronavirus-covid-19-vaccines-amid-declining-levels-of-concern/)

Fact, not opinion.

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oof, did you miss the point where offit and other commenters screeched 'but they children'?

covid has a HIGHLY age stratified sever disease incidence and even more so fatality risk. this is well documented at this point some conclusions pointing to the average age of a covid death being above life expectancy in some nations.

thanks for making my point

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Your point was about children? You didn't say a word about them. Your comment was all about how I had no evidence for poor folks wanting vaccines (yes, I did), and how Africa and Haiti did so much better than us with our vaccines. So I responded to what you said in your comment. Just because older people die at higher rates than children doesn't mean that kids don't die from Covid. As Dr. O reported, 150 of them died this year from Covid, and some would not qualify for the vaccine now since they had no risk factors. That's the point he was making. Parents who know these facts and want to protect their children have had that choice taken away from them unless they can afford to pay for the vaccine out of pocket, which not everybody can, nor should they have to. It should be covered by insurance, but now it won't be because of this. So much for Kennedy allowing people to make their own choices. Talk about coercion.

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coercion? quite a leap there.

makary is stating the fda should seek a new mrna covid shot trials given most of the coutry has been infected with the GoF virus at least once. do these products still pass the cost benefit analysis in populations which already have been infected & recovered from covid? if they are the wonder drugs you among offit's acolytes say it is, then it should be easy to prove they still reduce severe disease & death. instead we got antibody titers in mice!

"doesn't mean that kids don't die from Covid." it is well established healthy kids die from covid at a rate lower than seasonal influenza.

flu sease of '24 was particularly bad. where was offit suggesting interventions? despite being the worst flu season in recent memory coverage in the us news media was sparse.

https://apnews.com/article/flu-deaths-children-cdc-e79b1e4169d629ad4bc1095d95d82110

CDC reports 216 child deaths this flu season, the most in 15 years

"nor should they have to." pfizer and moderna made BILLIONS - from these products. where is your bleeding heart asking them to make it an affordable price? how much does it even cost ($100-200)?

and us vs western eu is apples & oranges due to lack of universal healthcare? thanks for announcing you are a dogmatic pharma shill and not attempting objectivity. good day

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Cia Parker's avatar

Who can afford insurance? I’m astonished that many can. I could not.

I absolutely don’t care if insurance covers the vaccine or not. Covid was a bioengineered virus. See if Fauci is willing to pay for the dangerous vaccine for everyone who wants it.

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Cia Parker's avatar

That’s life. If you don’t have enough money to pay for things, you can’t buy them. We had zero medical insurance for many years. Obamacare would have cost two hundred a month, and we could not afford that. We only went to a doctor once every five or ten years, but wouldn’t have gone more often even if we had had insurance. Shots cause autoimmune conditions. MS in me, autism and bowel disease in my daughter. Who cares if insurance is willing to cause severe and permanent conditions in you which the medical cartel will be glad to proffer attempted treatments for? I got three Covid shots in 2021, which I took voluntarily, two Pfizer and Moderna booster. I wish I hadn’t. The first caused vertigo and severe vomiting for half an hour. The booster caused myocarditis. Sure, they were free. Didn’t pay a penny for the neurological and heart damage. I am unwilling for my tax dollars to pay for a single vaccine for anyone.

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Cia Parker's avatar

The Covid virus was bioengineered by the medical and pharma cartel. Have they been held responsible for killing millions worldwide? I doubt they ever will be. Or for causing long and disabling Covid in many more, including me? Obviously not, nor will they ever be.

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Mike S's avatar

You can't hold someone responsible for a delusionary event that didn't happen.

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Cia Parker's avatar

Wow, you’re Sobshrink too! It just happened again, I have a reply from Sobshrink in my inbox, but it says it’s from Mike S. Give me an email address and I’ll send you the screenshots I made. Here there’s only Like, Reply, Share, and nothing relevant clicking the three dots. Not even Report works.

Not enough genuine comments? You’re playing Good cop, bad cop? You have a dirty mind to play St-ve or - eater. While Sobshrink is good cop. While you steal Mary Ann Caton’s nym to put up more filth. You were Catholic. Are you not ashamed?

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Mike S's avatar

I have done none of the things you accuse me of. Please lose the paranoia as its getting wearisome.

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Anubis's avatar

Tell me that funny story about your crying baby. I love that one.

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Sobshrink's avatar

First, I'm sorry that you have MS and that your daughter has autism and bowel disease, although I have worked with many children with autism and they make our world a better place. I'm also sorry you think the poor should have fewer choices than people with money, but sounds like you were poor and were happy not to go to the doctor. Not everybody feels that way, and I still believe poor people should have the choice for what medical care they get. In any case, I know that some vaccines can cause autoimmune disease, but all the data shows the incidence of that happening is far less common from vaccination than from actual infection. I'm not just parroting Big Pharma, I actually did a deep dive on non-industry funded research after my dog was diagnosed with Inflammatory Bowel Disease several years before Covid. My dog had gotten sick not long before his Dx, and from the research, it seemed far more likely that he got it from the infection rather than his vaccinations. There are many studies from many countries (not industry funded) showing no difference in the rates of autism between kids who are vaccinated vs kids who are unvaccinated. Also, there are kids who have autism who were never vaccinated. Although anecdotal evidence is not good evidence, since you seem to like it, I'll mention a few people I know. One of my best friend's son got Covid early on, before vaccines were out. A short time after he recovered, he was diagnosed with MS. A colleague of mine also got Covid, before vaccines were out, and a short time later, he was diagnosed with RA. My pedicurist got Covid and was never vaccinated, and a short time afterwards was diagnosed with sarcoidosis (an AID), which nearly killed her due to heart failure. Just from a logical standpoint, if even a tiny piece of a virus can cause an AID, doesn't it seem even more likely that the whole virus in a much larger dose could cause them? If I were in your shoes, I imagine I'd be angry too, but I think I would be angry at viruses. In any case, I wish you the best with your and your daughter's health.

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Anubis's avatar

She has MS now? Love the new material.

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Sobshrink's avatar

I guess you’ve been following her longer than I have. So I take it she’s pulled one over on me? I guess that’s what people do when facts are not on their side. But I still feel kind of sorry for her. Can’t be a fun way to live.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

That account is one of Offit's Leading Lunatics (OLL). He's a magnet for crazy - because Substack's biggest outrage-farmers and grifters have demonized him to Fauci-esque proportions. Her internet history of anti-vaccine insanity goes back over a decade, under that name:

https://www.badscience.net/2013/04/how-vaccine-scares-respect-local-cultural-boundaries/

https://pauloffit.substack.com/p/rfk-jr-isnt-bothered-by-measles/comment/116919941

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Mike S's avatar

According to her…you, Steve, Aldous and me are the same person.

🤪

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Cia Parker's avatar

Since no official large-scale vax unvax study has ever been done, on the pretext that it would deprive the unvaxxed of “valuable disease protection,” I don’t know on what you are basing that statement. Many private studies have shown unvaxxed children to be much healthier than vaxxed.

I got a bad case of Covid in December 2019, and then a bad case of long Covid. I reacted to the Moderna booster with myocarditis. I recognize that both viruses and vaccines can cause disabling sequelae.

I reluctantly let my dog get a rabies booster working up to surgery. It immediately caused a severe skin allergy on her rear paws.

I got MS from vaccine mercury toxicity. I reacted to my first DPT at 3 months old with screaming syndrome for several days, as my brother did as well, and my daughter reacting to the hep-B vaccine. When I was 19, I got a tetanus booster which paralyzed both my arms for several days, brachial plexus neuropathy. I was later diagnosed with sometimes paralyzing MS by MRI. In one attack, my left arm and leg were paralyzed with flaccid paralysis for a month. Caused by vaccine mercury in all 9 of the DPTs that I got.

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I'm not sure what you mean by "private studies," because scientists share their work in peer reviewed journals. I would be skeptical of anything not shared with other scientists who could critique it. I'm also not sure what you mean by "official large-scale studies," but you are correct it would be considered unethical to withhold MMR vaccines from children once we have evidence of efficacy, just as we can't ethically do RCT's studying effects of smoking by assigning people to a smoking group. So instead, we look at data comparing children who got the vaccine with those whose parents chose not to have them vaccinated. (I was just talking about MMR because of the claim it causes autism). There have been many of these data analyses in many different countries, and a good article summarizing them is in the link below, although I suspect you won't read it because you don't trust one of the authors, which is unfortunate. I assume you mean DTP? I've never heard of anybody getting 9 DTP shots; I read 5 is what's recommended. Again, I'm sorry for your medical difficulties and the fact you can't afford insurance. I am with Bernie and AOC on the need for universal healthcare. Good luck with your health.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC2908388/#:~:text=In%20the%20United%20States%2C%20using,thimerosal%2Dcontaining%20vaccines%20and%20autism.

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Anubis's avatar

Don't bother engaging with it.

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Cia Parker's avatar

But there are tens of thousands of chikdren unvaxxed by parental choice who are never going to get the MMR, or other vaccines. Most of their parents would be glad for them to participate in a study. Only thr examining physicians would need to be blinded. Congress has twice ordered that such a study be done, but it never has been, because it is obvious that vaccines cause autism, allergic, and autoimmune disease, now in well over half of our children, but the mefical-pharma industry will never admit it.

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Cia Parker's avatar

It would be impossible, unsustainable, for taxpsyers to pay for whatever care poor people may want. I’m glad Medicaid is being cut.

Someone said we must go to the doctor because I have MS and my daughter has autism. No, we don’t. I have never taken the standard disease-modifying drugs which suppress your immune system, because I don’t want to do that. There is nothing any doctor can do for autism. Damage your child’s brain with vaccines and you and they will pay for it every minute of every day for the rest of your lives. Two teachers over the years suggested I put her on Ritalin. I said No. No way.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

You've said that your daughter has been institutionalized for years, because she is a "forever child." Your MS story doesn't add up. You're a poor medical drama fabricator.

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Sobshrink's avatar

Damage your child's brain with the measles virus, an event with a FAR higher incidence and that's a fact regardless of your denials, and you will pay for it. Given input from others, I am far more suspicious of your medical claims now. In any case, please stay away from the doctor as you claim you will, even if you get in an accident, because you are poor, and I will have to pay for your medical care, whether you are on Medicaid or not, because they can't turn you way. Then they bill people like me more. So please do what you claim, and NEVER EVER go to the doctor or hospital or clinic. Have a nice life and be sure not to get bit by a rabid animal.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/rabies/diagnosis-treatment/drc-20351826

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Cia Parker's avatar

While hundreds of thousands of Anericans, millions in the world, have been killed by the vaccine. Those who want the vaccine can get it, but should not expect the govt or the taxpayer to provide it to them.

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Mike S's avatar

And the evidence for these hundreds of thousands of US vaccine deaths being what, exactly?

Give citations and evidence please, or your claim will be dismissed for the crazy antivax propaganda it is.

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Mike S's avatar

Crickets….

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Cia Parker's avatar

The major cause of bankruptcy in the US is exorbitant medical bills which most people cannot pay. Many die every day because they can’t afford to get treatment for cancer. Not being able to afford to get a free disabling, inrffective Covid vaccine is the least of our problems.

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Sayer Ji's avatar

Is this title comedy? How many children died from the mRNA jabs alone? Thank god they are off the recommended schedule now. He's done exactly the opposite of what you claim.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Oh look, it's the fraudulent little grifter.

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Buffalo_Ken's avatar

ad hominin

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BillyJoe's avatar

"hominin" "hominen"

Give it another go, Bluffellow

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Nope, sorry BK, but name calling is NOT ad hominem.

Saying he's wrong because he's a lying grifting clown with no scientific qualifications is ad hominem. But I didn't do that, did I? Because he didn't make any claims, he just JAQ'ed off all over the place, leaving a filthy mess, as he usually does.

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

Still driving drunk Sayer? What a loser you are

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Buffalo_Ken's avatar

Ad hominen.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Buffalo Bill's little brother: "Ad hominen"

Deserved.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Ah, Sayer JI, one of the Dirty Disinformation Dozen killing our infants and children.

What a disgrace. Ignorant as piss. And pissed as a kite.

Grab your bollocks in both hands, arsehole, and drag your sorry self out after them you disgraceful POHE.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Blocked & muted.

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Janine Pera's avatar

Glad to see you are on here! So many are injured and have died from the jabs. People need to wake up before they are injured or dead from their ignorance.

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Buffalo_Ken's avatar

I'm gonna post one last response to all the vitriol I've been the recipient of at this place on this article, but first let me "thank" the author for allowing this discourse and not resorting to "cancelling" any opposing views, but I would like to say - the definition of "ad hominin" is as follows:

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"fallacious argumentative strategy that avoids genuine discussion of the topic by instead attacking the character, motive etc. of the person(s) associated with the argument"

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So, when in response to me posting sentiment completely in OPPOSITION to these jabs of harm so many lash out and say things like - "eff you to high heaven" and "look at who you read - bunch of crazy dipshits"....and the like - it is an attack upon my character and totally irrelevant with respect to the topic of discussion - that is "ad hominin".....and tis MOST telling about the character of the folks who just LOVE jabbing little babies but six months old with an experimental bit of poison I say - a bioweapon in my view and others with evidence aplenty in support of this. Why is it I wonder some feel so threatened by anybody with an opposing view that they lash out and wish harm upon any others not .

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I'm telling you - the Wolfpack is on the HUNT!

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And so many are so hypnotized and stuck in "group-think" that they have lost all sense, they no longer have compassion, and they are unable to discern fact from fiction.

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That's the fact Jack - tis so telling - and you complicit ones have the death of many upon your souls - just as the committee voted 21-0 had (and still have) so much "conflict of interest" when back in what was it - 2022 they voted unanimously to start jabbing babies with this cocktail of harm without proper quality control nor proper safety study.

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Wake up before the wolves are upon your doorstep!

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adieus you spiteful ones...full of vitriol misplaced.

BK

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BillyJoe's avatar

RFK junior claims that the risks of COVID-19 vaccine during pregnancy are unknown.

THAT IS A LIE:

Rates of adverse pregnancy outcomes such as miscarriage, preterm birth, low birth weight after COVID-19 vaccination do not differ from baseline population-level rates.

- Premature birth occurs in 8–15% of all pregnancies and in 9.4% if vaccinated.

- Miscarriage occurs in 10–26% of all pregnancies and in 12.6% if vaccinated.

- Congenital anomalies occurs in about 3% of births and in 2.2% if vaccinated.

In other words, we DO know that COVID-19 vaccinations are safe during pregnancy.

We also know that those vaccinated during pregnancy did not have an increase in the risk of any adverse events for the infant.

And that those vaccinated during pregnancy had lower rates of strokes, Bell’s palsy, heart attacks, and seizures than those who were not vaccinated during pregnancy.

And that those vaccinated during pregnancy had infants for whom COVID-19 hospitalization in infants 6 months and younger was reduced by 60%

R.F. KENNEDY junior IS A PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

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Edward's avatar

LOL! Offit continues to whine. Little Bobby Kennedy keeps bitch slapping Offit, As Offit is well aware, CDC Stats are not credible, and in fact, as it will be revealed, the books are cooked. It;s over Offit. Sit down, and be quiet. You've made more than enough money on your poisons

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steve's avatar

CDC stats are not credible??? Yet YOU are??? LOL.....

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

Hey Edward, your mom called down into the basement said your rent is due

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Edward's avatar

Appreciate the heads-up! been to afraid to go upstairs.. ever since RFKjr sworn in— too afraid might catch measles or gosh Polio! Too afraid to go get boosters! hooe our Man Offit can save us!! there is no God— only the Offits of world! true medical hero! Stupid ignorant infectious grandma killers! spreading cooties! shame on them!

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MaryMable's avatar

You're way in our your head. Sit down, and be quiet.

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daniel crummett's avatar

say. I’d like to buy some supplements from your company.

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

All of the parents duped into thinking their children were hurt by vaccines like to say how angry they are. Well, I'm going to tell you right now all you parents and you anti-vax leaders that you haven't seen anything. When rational, intelligent parents lose their children because you cut off their access to vaccines, you will see rage and fury that will make you go hide in your holes forever.

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Washington Post 05/30/2025: Coronavirus vaccines are still recommended for healthy children if their doctors approve, according to updated immunization schedules published late Thursday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, contradicting Health and Human Services Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr.’s announcement earlier this week.

The revisions, which also say that the vaccines are no longer advised during pregnancy, add to the confusion surrounding the Trump administration’s move to bypass the traditional system for immunization advice through expert review and CDC guidance.

The CDC did not remove the coronavirus vaccines from the childhood schedule, as Kennedy said it would, when it updated its website late Thursday. Instead, the CDC recommends the shots based on “shared clinical decision-making,” meaning children can get vaccinated if their parents and doctors agree.

“Where the parent presents with a desire for their child to be vaccinated, children 6 months and older may receive COVID-19 vaccination, informed by the clinical judgment of a healthcare provider and personal preference and circumstances,” the new language says.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

It sounds like they're not consistent within the same agency (like the finest, science driven regulators) - and that bobby continues to babble cluelessly. I'm shocked!

"The revisions ... add to the CONFUSION surrounding the Trump administration’s move to ___________"

Fill in the blank. At least the regime is consistently chaotic and contradictory.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Everything Trump touches turns to lunacy...

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

And some of it is "not a bug, but a feature." Daily Kos is kind of a rag, but the concept in this piece makes my point.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2025/5/30/2325137/-The-madness-of-King-Trump-is-a-Republican-feature-not-a-bug

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Chris's avatar

Please contact your Senators and congressman NOW. Venting on these comment threads does not do much. But flood your representatives in both the Senate and the House with messages and phone calls, and that will matter.

And if you are a doctor do the same with your advocacy organizations. Their silence and cowardice throughout this process has been disgraceful. They seem to be more worried that they will be called "losers" by Trump than they are for the health and safety of our population. Time to speak up loudly.

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Chris's avatar

It gets worse every day. And he/Trump keep chipping away over and over at what is considered outrageous and dangerous. A year from now we will have no childhood vaccines. I am calling it now. His "studies" being performed by his crew of anti-science quacks will find a supposed link between vaccines and autism. And he will have taken away protections for the manufacturers against litigation. They will of course then pull away, because it will not be profitable for them to continue to provide vaccines for children.

What bothers me above all is the near complete silence from the major medical advocacy organizations such as IDSA, AAP, AAFP, ACEP, Chest, etc. Their silence has enabled this to happen. They should have spoken up when RFK Jr was first nominated. They did not. And they continue to stay "apolitical" (as if this is a political issue), I guess because they are afraid Trump will call them "losers". And we are going further and further into this madness.

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hierochloe's avatar

at this point blowback could be worse than just being called "losers"

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WC's avatar
May 29Edited

RFK Jr's "War" on Children?

War???

Do you have no soul at all?

With the help of researchers, doctors and scientsists that are ALSO looking at data he's obviously trying to make what he and the vast majority of Americans think is the correct risk/reward decision to make at this point. That you disagree is worth debate, but WAR is hyperbolic trash!

Americans are already voting by not taking the shots anymore!!! That's based on personal experience and the experience of friends and family. That experience suggests the Covid vaccines don't protect against infection or transmission, Covid changes too quickly to create an effective schedule , Covid has evolved into more of a cold than serious health threat and that the vaccines had a MUCH MUCH MUCH worse risk profile than advertised by bought and paid for corrupt journalists, bought and paid for corrupt FDA and CDC officials, bought and paid for corrupt govt officials, wildly corrupt sociopathic drug company executives, and doctors too afraid to speak out and tell the truth about all the serious side effects they've seen.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

"That's based on personal experience and the experience of friends and family."

So credible. You must be a scientist.

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Mike S's avatar

Trying to eliminate childhood vaccines is indeed analogous to a war on children.

Except the kids don't die quick deaths from trauma, they suffer prolonged, protracted decline from unpleasant infections.

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Frau Katze's avatar

Blocked & muted.

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hierochloe's avatar

"With the help of researchers, doctors and scientsists that are ALSO looking at data"

Where do I read all about this looking at data?

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Erudite's avatar

All RFK he’s life he has been an attention whore … saying anything … making up purported facts … with no expertise or real science behind it … to garner a following & get attention .. . He’s continuing to do the same … and playing with the lives of the public in his demented pursuit

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Reprobater's avatar

Bingo. And an adulation whore. He needs to be seen as a savior. Cousin Caroline also described him as a lifelong predator. And judging from his appearances/performances at confirmation hearings and interviews - he likely has some sort of cognitive decline, beyond the baseline personality and character issues.

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Mary Ellen Carver's avatar

Nothing Kennedy does is ethical or correct !

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Bohdan Andrew Oryshkevich's avatar

Some European countries do not recommend or require COVID-19 vaccines for infants and children.

We do not have national insurance and so vaccinations sometimes make more sense in our country than in other advanced democracies.

But Dr. Offitt does us the service of explaining how RFK Jr made his decision singlehandedly.

He is unqualified to make any such decision.

His nomination and appointment were terrible mistakes.

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