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Carol Freeman's avatar

I cannot understand the level of ignorance that would allow so many people in the US to believe that RFK JR could possibly head up a health service safely. If he really believes the things he is saying out loud - the things he doesn’t say must be even more terrifying 🤯

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Sobshrink's avatar

What's truly terrifying is all the Congressmen and women who voted for him.

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bert van mourik's avatar

Bill Cassidy (a doctor himself) stand up and take a bow. How do these people sleep?

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BillyJoe's avatar

Shame on Bill Cassidy letting his politics over-ride his science.

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Mr Martin Philip Keats's avatar

Well, most Americans are quite dim, really, aren’t they. In the end they’ll realise and deal with him.

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Carol Freeman's avatar

I guess l don’t really believe that which is why it’s so hard to get my head round…

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Jonathan's avatar

Did you have qualms over the last lawyers that headed the hhs?

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Free Radical's avatar

No. They weren't cognitively-damaged, narcissistic, grifting lifelong predators enabled and emboldened by malevolent puppet masters.

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Jonathan's avatar

They weren't? I mean all of them have gone on to work in industry and make millions. isn't being a narcissist someone who only works for one self? so if I approved a drug, and then get paid by that company in few years... yea I might look the other way, or put pressure to get it right...(right for my paycheck)?

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steve's avatar

what empty nonsense! You offer not a shred of proof that the previous heads of NIH were a problem!! You just dump innuendo!! Shame on you....

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Jonathan's avatar

I did? Where the proof is that they were laywers that headed the HHS before. and now they work for pharma companies. That is not innuedo, that is fact.

Then I added a little human nature, and boom:) You on the other hand, added nothing, and then claimed that I'm shameful for using facts and experience together. We used to call that critical thinking back when I was in school, I guess now its shameful thinking?

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steve's avatar

LOL, your reading comprehension is rather poor. I repeat what I said with emphasis: "You do NOT OFFER A SHRED OF PROOF that the previous heads of NIH were a PROBLEM!! YOU JUST DUMP INNUENDO. Shame on you...." All you did was say that they were lawyers, and offered ZERO evidence that that was a problem. Again, shame on you and your sloppy reasoning.....

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Maggie's avatar

Yep

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Free Radical's avatar

Nope. Becerra's twiddling his thumbs, thinking about running for California governor.

Trump's HHS flunky Azar, though, cane in as a pharma lobbyist. So we can assume ...

I'm ready for my next serving of chud-spew ...

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Jonathan's avatar

LOL thanks for proving my point. Becerra just left, and Azar is pharma paid. Obama's paid? what of GWB? and clintons? I can keep going....

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rombios's avatar

Tell us how you really feel

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Carol Freeman's avatar

Lots of talk here about lobbying - which, especially in your type of healthcare system - may well be risky where money talks louder than science.

However, what’s terrifying with the current regime is the obsession with pseudoscientific conspiracy theories or ‘woo woo’ as my daughter would call it. 🤯

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Sobshrink's avatar

I am terrified that we will have our next pandemic on his watch. That's when sh*t will really hit the fan and we'll see whether he's as deeply delusional as he appears, and whether Congress will actually do something. All those Congressmen and women who voted for him will have blood on their hands.

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Jonathan's avatar

I mean they can't do much worse than the others who handled the last one. Everyone got covid, and our lives and worlds were destroyed.

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steve's avatar

Liar. MANY people were spared serious covid disease with the vaccines!! Stop spreading your lies!!

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rombios's avatar

No state was spared. Everyone who got the jab STILL tested positive for CONvid. At one point it was a joke on late night comedy

Take the booster test positive for CONvid next few days then isolate for two weeks rinse and repeat.

The only people who weren't on this merry go round were the NEVER vaccinated

Myocarditis Facial Paralysis Sudden death are buzz words after the jab rollout

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steve's avatar

You do not know much about vaccines do you? Very many vaccines do NOT prevent disease, but make it much worse--for instance the rabies vax which is only given AFTER suspected infection. It is not given to prevent infection. Other vaccines do not even target any pathogen, such as the tetanus, diptheria, pertussis vaccines!! They won't stop any infection at all, but protect you from serious consequences, which is what the covid and flu vaccines also do. An you do not know what a booster is. The updated shots are NOT boosters, which is a second or third shot of the same kind. Rather, the new shots are directed against new covid strains and are completely new vaccines, just like the annual flu vax is not a booster but a new shot. And myocarditis from the vaccines is a very rare occurence for just a couple of the vaccines, one of which is no longer given. In fact, myocarditis is much more common from the virus infection than from the vaccine. Facial paralysis is nonsense and does not happen. Neither does sudden death!! You and others are just making all this up. Again you know nothing about vaccines or viruses. I know a lot having made them my life work as a medical school professor and PhD in viral immunology.

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rombios's avatar

Am not going to address the idiocy in your bullshit posts. Not when you got celebs like Justin Beabier and Katy Perry with facial paralysis after vaccination posts/pictures

For vaccines this is all anyone needs to know

http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html

98% of mortality rates had decreased BEFORE vaccines came on the market.

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steve's avatar

flat wrong, wrong, WRONG. You do NOT follow the science literature at all do you? Instead you follow anti-vax crank web sites that spew unsupported information. The mortality rate early in the pandemic was from the more devastating delta version of the virus and it began dropping as soon at the vaccines were made available. You are a liar who is afraid to tell us what your science background is. You have zero background in science don't you?

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Shade Seeker's avatar

That did not. What a load of hooey. You are a hoot!

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Daniel Hall's avatar

Steve: you may be "a medical school professor and PhD in viral immunology" (I have serious doubts given your comportment here) but you surely don't know much about Rabies virus & vaccination!

Your statement: "Very many vaccines do NOT prevent disease, but make it much worse--for instance the rabies vax which is only given AFTER suspected infection" makes zero sense. Given that rational, giving a Rabies vaccination after exposure would make no sense would make the infection worse, not prevent it. Additionally, once a person has symptoms of an actual Rabies infection, there odds of dying exceed 99%.

There is very little comparison between Rabies, Covid, & most Upper Respiratory Viruses.

Rabies virus is neurotropic and vastly different than UR viruses. The incubation period for Rabies following a bite by a rabid animal is an exceptionally long 20-90 days. The incubation period for most URI in humans is 2-5 days. That is why post exposure Rabies vaccinations are preventative for humans. The immune response to the vaccine is much shorter than the Rabies incubation period.

Furthermore, folks who work with animals commonly infected by Rabies (Veterinarians & researchers) commonly get Rabies vaccines pre-exposure because in their fields unknown exposure is a real possibility. 99.5% of people tested within one week after pre-exposure Rabies vaccination had adequate antibody levels.

As a Rabies vaccinated DVM for 45 years (really), I have seen multiple epidemics halted tremendous improvement in animal health thanks to programs using effective vaccines. RFK Jr is correct when he says vaccines are not 100% safe & effective. There is no 100% safe and effective medical procedure. But I have no doubt the RFK Jr is wrong about the safety of current measles vaccines and that his lack of knowledge and biases regarding vaccines dangerously cloud his judgment.

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steve's avatar

You are right to point out my inaccurate claim in which, for some reason, I said vaccines make the disease worse. THAT was a misstatement. BUT, I still stand by the fact that the rabies vaccines is usually NOT given as a prophylactic but as a way to prevent serious disease. I also stand by my point that the diptheria, pertussis, and typhoid vaxes are NOT intended to prevent infection, but to block disease AFTER infection. Rombios criticism that the covid vax does not prevent infection is irrelevant when judging the efficacy of vax, which was my point, which you seemed to miss.

I also found it amusing that you question my science credentials, when Rombios won't even answer my question about his and you expect us to take YOUR word on yours. My PhD is from the U of Texas, I did post doc work (and was the first to describe the RT-PCR technology now used to diagnose many infectious diseases, including covid) at the UCLA Molecular Biology Institute, was a Professor at the U of Wisconsin Comprehensive Cancer Center, then did consulting for health care, biotech and federal government departments, including the CDC and NIH.

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Chris's avatar

What is rabies but chemical poisoning of the brain. Pastor was a fraud and he injected his animals with toxins directly into the brain. What else would you expect to come out of that but “rabies “

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Chris's avatar

No vaccine prevents any illness, for illness is nothing more than a detoxification of the body not something you catch, but something you most likely create psychosomatic or you were chemically poisoned. Vaccines are nothing more than poison, Mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal tissue, have no place in any animals body. They are toxic, some vaccines, more toxic than others but none of them do you any good? They create toxicity and illness. I.e. attempted detoxification. Mercury, aluminum, aborted fetal tissue, have no place in any animals body. They are toxic, some vaccines, more toxic than others but none of them do you any good? They create toxicity and illness. I.e. attempted detoxification. I would like to argue that with anyone who thinks they know better

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steve's avatar

What an ignorant comment. The first and lastest vaccines never had mercury, aluminium or ANY fetal tissue. You are a fraud.....

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Chris's avatar

You were correct and you were incorrect at the same time. There is no such thing as a virus. Covid does not exist, but there is a potentially lethal injection the mRNA injection, which was designed to main cripple, kill and sterilize.

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steve's avatar

No such thing as a virus?? You are a whack job. They have been isolated, grown, cloned, photographed, had their genomes sequenced, and injected into animals to prove Koch's Postulates about the cause of infectious diseases. Stop spreading your garbage. Change the batteries in your tin foil hat....

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Chris's avatar

The truth has to be told, we need to stop with his germ theory bullshit this virus bullshit because they’re gonna just gonna do it again with bird flu, monkeypox, measles, whatever all fake viruses simply detoxification of an animals body. It’s time for men to stand up straight and get ready to fight and screw your fucking balls on real tight!

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Chris's avatar

There is no COVID-19. It’s a farce. The world‘s death rate did not go up until the introduction of the mRNA chemical weapon that was made to depopulate the world. any other illness was simply your typical detoxification from the flu or a cold or a psychosomatic stress brought on by thinking you were going to get sick. Anything else is illogical and just frankly stupid

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Mike S's avatar

Thanks for showing how stupid you antivaxers and disease denialists are!

Keep posting!

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steve's avatar

Liar. The world's death rate clearly increased BEFORE THE VACCINES!!

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Soul On A Journey's avatar

The vax did not stop transmission… remember that is what they told us to justify mass vaccination of a product that has serious side effects

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steve's avatar

1. Many successful vaccines do NOT fully prevent transmission, but are considered successful because they prevent serious disease. The rabies vaccine is usually given AFTER suspected infection and is not intended to stop infection.

2. The diphtheria, pertussis, and tetanus vaccines are not even directed at any pathogen in order to stop infection or transmission, yet are very effective at preventing disease.

3. The flu virus very often does not prevent transmission or infection, but is an pretty effective vaccine to prevent hospitalization and death.

4. The vast majority of hospitalizations and deaths due to covid were in unvaccinated people. Vaxed people avoided serious disease

5. You cannot produce ANY medical evidence that the covid vaccine had serious side effects. Reporting on what other anti-vaxers say does not count. I am talking about data from real medical sources.

You do not know much about vaccines!!

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Soul On A Journey's avatar

Several of the so called “ real” medical sources are under regulatory capture. I have talked to many doctors who are seeing serious side effects in people after taking the covid vaccines . I personally know of cases as well who have severe flares in rheumatoid arthritis shortly after the Pfizer shot. Some have terrible neurological issues. There was a study published in British Medical journal showing variations in batches of the mRNA vaccines …. some batches were causing more side effects.

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steve's avatar

What nonsense. Your first sentence is uninterpretable. The rest is simply disinformation (a polite word for lies). I am a retired medical school professor who knows of NO practicing doc who has seen a pattern of serious effects after vaccination. Among my friends and family, I only know of one person who has had adverse reactions to the vaccines--twice he felt crummy for about 24 hours, which is not uncommon for many other vaccines.

I have been blogging on the pandemic since March 2020. After 200 posts, I have only had ONE reader comment about a friend to had a serious adverse reaction following vaccination. It was suspicious because it occurred several weeks after the vax. After he progressively got worse, it was finally diagnosed as metastatic lung cancer! He had been a heavy smoker for decades.

Your very vague claims are made up. And there is a very good reason that personal anecdotes are not used by medical scientists.

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Chris's avatar

Covid does not exist, there are no such thing as contagious only detoxification of the body for a variety of reasons, but not because of fake viruses. There were no excess deaths, except for when the elderly were poisoned with There were no excess deaths, except for when the elderly were poisoned with Rand Desir or Medasin and morphine in the hospital, and then put on a mechanical ventilator, which killed them. Medical murder. Once the chemical weapon, mRNA injection was employed the death rate skyrocketed

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steve's avatar

LOL, yeah the world's entire medical establishment was in on a massive hoax designed for......what???? Sounds like you need to change the batteries in your tin-foil hat.....

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Chris's avatar

It sounds like you need to take your red pill and come to realities with what you’ve done to your own body. If you actually believe, rolling up your sleeve and taking a needle to what you know not was in was a good idea then you truly are the definition of a fucking fool. You need to look up Dr. Mike yeadon, former vice president of Pfizer, check out his Substack in his video and you will see that you have taken toxic, lipid natural particles that were designed to maim, cripple, sterilize and kill a large percentage of the earths population. I will sleep at night whether or not you believe me, but I speak to motherfucking truth. You took a lethal injection, sir. I have empathy for you, but you have to live with your dumb ass decision to buy into the governments fucking lies and deception

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steve's avatar

here is the promised link that talks about the supposedly toxic nanoparticles (you won't be able to find ANY SCIENCE evidence to dispute that) and the mRNA technology, which won the 2023 Nobel Prize.

https://stevensclark.typepad.com/coronavirus_news_and_view/2023/10/biox-wins-the-nobel.html

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Chris's avatar

Toxic, lipid nanoparticles

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Mike S's avatar

Nice Poe!

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Emily's avatar

If your life was destroyed, how are you here commenting? There were definitely aspects of the government's response that in hindsight were misguided. Our nation needs to examine the response in order to do better next time. But most of the people responsible most of the time were looking at the current facts-which were changing constantly- and applying science to save lives.

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BillyJoe's avatar

"There were definitely aspects of the government's response that in hindsight were misguided."

Of course there are, and hindsight is a marvelous thing, but they pale into insignificance to the herm caused by antivaxxers and those who insisted on "business as usual" while themselves being in a position to avoid the infection and save themselves. All of those arseholes got vaccinated as soon as it became available. Even Fox News had a policy in place favouring vaccination.

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Jonathan's avatar

My dream that I had started on is gone, and probably unrecoverable. My financial situation is destroyed compared to how it should have gone. Our 5 year goals are gone and now we are running into timeline issues and other family matters. My career is/was delayed due to moves in response to the pandemic. Please don't even try to say they were doing the best they could. They weren't, and I am proof.

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BillyJoe's avatar

1.2 million Americans died (which would have been 4 million without the vaccinations and mitigation measures) so cry me a river, son.

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Chris's avatar

BS The Earth death population did not increase until the introduction of the potential lethal injection MRA. Prior to that, very briefly, many elderly people were medically, murdered through chemical poisoning, and then had a mechanical ventilator, stuck down the throat. These elderly folk were suffering from typical detoxification of the body such as pneumonia, and then we’re given a volume like drug, which makes him sleepy and then we’re given morphine, which makes him stop breathing, this is strictly contraindicated by any physician they knew what they were doing, and they did it anyway they murdered your grandparents. This raised the death rate only slightly. The mRNA purpose driven chemical depopulation weapon was introduced in the death rate skyrocketed and continues to do so get your goddamn facts straight .

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Jonathan's avatar

Sure, how many peoples futures, and dreams were broken? How many businesses closed? how many marriages ruined? Those are all stats that matter just as much as some made up number about how many would have died...

Actually the first cruise ship showed us the real death rate, and amazing it stayed the same... funny that huh?

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BillyJoe's avatar

The first cruise ship could not possibly have shown us that. The more data you have, the more accurate your estimates are. Letting the virus rip through the population would have killed 3 million more Americans that the 1.2 million that did die. A sick population in which 4 million people died - meaning 10-100 times more than that who got sick, weak, and permanently impaired, could not possibly have done anything other than fail.

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Mike S's avatar

Diamond Princess death rate (IFR) was 2%. (14/714). These were healthy tourists, recall?

Overall Covid US death rate was around 0.6%, around 3 fold less. Most were unvaccinated. Death rate in unvaxed was 5-10 times higher than in vaxed people.

Yay vaccines!!!!!

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steve's avatar

That could not happen to a more deserving person!! Liar!!

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BillyJoe's avatar

Firstly, tell me that, after 5 years, you at least know that vaccines do NOT stop infections. You NEED to get infected in order to induce the vaccination-primed immune response. The purpose of vaccinations is to reduce severe disease that results from those inevitable infections with consequences such as hospitalisation, ICU admission, and death. In the US alone, the COVID-19 vaccinations saved 3 million lives.

Secondly, you cannot have a strong economy without a healthy population. That is Economics 101. Not mitigating the spread of the COVID-19 infections would have had far worse consequences for the economy that letting the infections rip on the false premise that you can keep the economy booming with a sick population.

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Chris's avatar

Viruses have never scientifically proven to exist. End of report.

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Mike S's avatar

Neither have humans.

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Chris's avatar

And there is no such thing as an immune system, for there is nothing to be immune from. The body is a logical organism. It would not waste metabolic energy on a system that is inane

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rombios's avatar

Second part of your comment is pure bullshit. CONvid was a flu derivative with a 99.7% recovery rate.

Over 30% of the country remain NEVER vaccinated till this day. If you were correct we'd have felt the impact of that never vaccinated number.

Notice am using NEVER vaccinated because at one point the CDC considered anyone not up to date on their boosters as "unvaccinated" in an effort to pollute the numbers and reveal the uselessness of the jab

Whereas the vaccinated keep testing positive, suffering all manner of auto immune disease and cardio vascular illnesses including sudden death

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BillyJoe's avatar

Wow! I thought I'd come across this conspiracy nutcase before.

Some facts and then forget about this little guy:

Mortality rate of a SARS-C0V-2 infection was 0.68%.

1.2 million died of the infection in the US.

The vaccines saved about 3 million lives in the US..

The mortality rate of the mRNA vaccine was far less than 1 in a million.

Vaccines DO NOT cause autoimmune disease or sudden death.

The rate of myocarditis caused by the mRNA vaccine is 7 times less than that caused by the infection and it is 5 times less likely to be severe.

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Chris's avatar

Covid does not exist. The flu, is a seasonal detoxification of the body not a contagion viruses, any virus, has never scientifically been proven to exist,.period.

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rombios's avatar

Stop moving the goal post. Changing the definition of vaccines. Reduce severe disease is a lie as any unjabbed person can attest to we suffered mild symptoms from flu strain 2019 once AND done unlike our jab ed counterparts whose immune systems have been clobbered

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BillyJoe's avatar

The definition of a vaccine is straightforward. There are nuances that need to be added from time to time if a new type of vaccine is developed and sometimes someone finds an ambiguity that is resolved. But scientists know what a vaccine is. I don't expect someone with no background in science or medicine to understand this though, especially someone like you doesn't want to understand it.

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rombios's avatar

The definition of vaccines on the CDC website changed in 2021 after CONvid jabbed and boosted continued to test positive on PCR tests

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BillyJoe's avatar

The definition has been modified, not changed, you silly thing. Some ignorant antivaxxers were attacking a certain word in the definition, so they clarified the meaning. But we know what a vaccine is, and you don't, so who's the dummy here.

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James Reed's avatar

He put this country 4 months behind in fighting it and masking up.

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Jonathan's avatar

Can you point me to the real science that shows masks actually stop viruses? not reduce infection(as eventually you get it anyway) but actually stop it?

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steve's avatar

The link is to an article I wrote about a study of 400 other studies that show that the masks really work. Those studies include lab research and controlled real world analyses.

https://stevensclark.typepad.com/coronavirus_news_and_view/2024/12/over-400-studies-show-face-masks-protect-against-respiratory-infection.html

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Jonathan's avatar

Hahahahahahaahaha no they don't. Get better dude. They show trends, no one has actually explained how a cotton mask, with a 4mm hole in it, can stop a ~40nm particle.

The physics don't work. and I hate to break it to you, but physics is the basis for all other processes in the world.

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Chris's avatar

You’re correct, face diapers are woven in millimeters. Fake viruses that do not exist are measured in nanometers. End of report.

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Mike S's avatar

Heard of droplets yet?

Or….How do bed nets prevent yellow fever, when the virus is smaller than the holes in the net?

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Chris's avatar

Listen up, here it is, the face diapers are woven in millimeters, fake viruses are measured in nanometers. End of fucking report

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Kim: Seeking Truth's avatar

"Everyone"? I didn't. Got a vaccine. Am good.

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Chris's avatar

What pandemic, pandemics aren’t possible for there is no such thing as contagion. This was a sop by the world, economic forum, and its political shills. Viruses have never been proven to scientifically exist. Illnesses are simply detoxification of the body for a variety of reasons, but not viruses or bacteria..

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Mike S's avatar

Please keep posting…you are hilarious!

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Kim: Seeking Truth's avatar

Love this comedy--if it wasn't so sad. Me- I've seen viruses with a TEM. I've taken pics of viruses in tissues. Seen beautiful X ray crystallography of viral proteins. You deniers need to do some research and read some books

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rombios's avatar

CONvid thought us all pandemics are man made. How long will it take you to figure this out

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BillyJoe's avatar

Nobody who understands that COVID-19 is a disease, and that SARS-CoV-2 is a virus, believes the virus was engineered. You are embarrassing yourself.

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Chris's avatar

Viruses all of them have never been proven to scientifically exist. Illness is simply a detoxification of an animals body.

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Mike S's avatar

Do you exist?

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Chris's avatar

Yes, bud right hete

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rombios's avatar

You must also believe in the Easter bunny and Santa Claus. The Wuhan lab theory was initially disregarded now it's common knowledge and ackniwledged

Try and keep up

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BillyJoe's avatar

We follow the science, not "common knowledge", you silly thing.

After 5 years there is STILL no scientific evidence to support "Lab Leak" hypothesis which is now nothing more than wild speculation.

ALL the scientific evidence is in favour of a zoonotic spillover at the Huanan market.

But, you go boy, take a poll and see what the non-scientists think is true.

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Chris's avatar

You, “silly thing “are under serious mind control if you think there was a novel illness five years ago. There was simply mind control, modern day, voodoo, and then chemical poisoning with the potentially lethal mRNA injection. Prior to that there was no increase in the death rate other than, a very brief period of time when elderly people were medically murdered via valume like drug combined with morphine, and then they were put on a mechanical ventilator, which assured their demise

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BillyJoe's avatar

This little guy debunks himself, but I don't mind lending a hand.

"The Earth death population"

There is no such thing.

Making up words and phrases is the classical sign of a crank.

"injection MRA"

The mRNA vaccination, in case you're wondering.

"had a mechanical ventilator, stuck down the throat"

The ventilator stays outside the body. Only the endotracheal tube enters the body, and it goes into the trachea.

"we’re given a volume like drug"

Who knows what the tiny tot means.

Well, I do, but hey?

"given morphine, which makes him stop breathing"

The little thing is confused. This is done in terminal patients in whom all life saving measures have failed where it is given to reduce suffering. It is called palliative care.

"The mRNA purpose driven chemical depopulation weapon"

Well, in the US alone, the vaccines - most of which were mRNA vaccines - saved 3 million lives, 18.5 million hospitalisations, and 1.15 trillion dollars in health care costs. But whatever!

"get your goddamn facts straight"

The little thing is looking in his mirror now. |:

"Viruses have never scientifically proven to exist"

That's because viruses are not human and can't prove anything. But they have BEEN proven to exist - by hundreds of thousands of virologists all over the world for nearly 125 years, under different and varying political regimes. But the tiny tot knows better than all these experts because he is a crank.

"End of report."

He lied.

"Illness is simply a detoxification of an animals body"

I suspect "animals" is actually meant to be a possessive noun but, who knows, in crankdom, it could mean a dozen impossible things before breakfast.

"medically murdered via valume like drug"

Okay, I do know what the crank means (here and above) but I feel like I would be wasting my time correcting it.

"they were put on a mechanical ventilator, which assured their demise"

The other way around: if they were heading for demise with the treatments, they were ventilated in a last ditch effort of save their lives.

...ah, I just waste a few seconds of my time trying to educate a little crank.

Will someone please call his mommy to come fetch her little boy.

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Sheila McGrath's avatar

All the people who love RFK Jr don’t understand what the nations that have better health outcomes have in common that we don’t have. They have universal healthcare.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Indeed. But the US will never have a universal healthcare system. The only politician who cares is Bernie Sanders and he is in his 80s (though with more intelligence and sense than president Musk, vice-president Trump, side-kick RFK junior and that "useful fool" Calley Means rolled together).

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rombios's avatar

Wrong. They have NON MANDATORY vaccines AND health ministries that ban certain substances from food and products

The impact of going from 5 poison shots to 72 since the National Childhood Vaccination act was signed will finally be studied

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Barry Hirsch's avatar

Paul - I am a little surprised you give glyphosates (i.e. Roundup ) a pass. I have not read the studies but the idea that they are creating GMOs so they can flood our farm fields with this stuff just sounds like a bad idea. They are finding residues of it everywhere

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Nicole Keller's avatar

Hi there- just like there’s misinformation about vaccines, there’s a ton of misinformation on farming and use of glyphosate. @unbiased science podcast and @dr. Andrea love have some great articles on this subject detailing how our exposures to the pesticides are well within safe limits - farmers do not douse their fields. They are used when needed in prescribed amounts- and residues on our food are minuscule and not clinically significant. Just like there is small amounts of aluminum in vaccines that is handled by the body without harm, same for these exceedingly small pesticide residues on our food!

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BillyJoe's avatar

Thanks for that comment again and here is my response again:

Dr. Andrea Love of the "ImmunoLogic" blog is a great source of reliable information. She has recently started a "Fundamental Elements" section to teach the public about the basics of science needed to confront the mass of misinformation that Americans are going to be subjected to over the next 4 years.

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John Fontaine, Phm's avatar

Excellent I also follow Dr. Andrea... she's a gift to your science community JJF 🇨🇦

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rombios's avatar

These substances are banned by many nations abroad for a reason. And there are NIH studies on the damaging effects of aluminum formaldehyde and mercury in vaccines. There's a massive difference between ingesting trace quantities of these substances vs injecting it into your bloodstream bypassing the bodies gastro intestinal filter and in the case of young children: crossing the blood brain barrier

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John Fontaine, Phm's avatar

Not true!

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rombios's avatar

Because YOU say so bwahaaasa

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rombios's avatar

He's got stock options to.protect

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Edward's avatar

Offit continues with canned vax propaganda. Same discredited “autism studies”. You had your day Offit. You bring nothing to the table. hopefully, you will be removed from any committee. You will no longe disseminate your ignorance.you have done enough damage to children.

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BillyJoe's avatar

I see you have been thoroughly gaslighted by that blatant lying arsehole, RFK junior.

You have to know that he KNOWINGLY lies to you right to your face, right?

Dr. Paul Offit is a paediatrician with a special interest in immunology and vaccinations. He has spent a lifetime studying these things and his life is dedicated to saving the lives of children, especially through vaccinations.

But the lying arsehole, RFK junior, told you otherwise, right? The arsehole who makes millions every year knowingly promoting bullshit about vaccinations. Deadly disinformation that kills the youngest among us. Our children. Absolutely disgusting!

It's so sad how easily people can be fooled by such obvious bollocks.

But I guess having no background in science or medicine makes you an easy target for this scoundrel, right? I mean that IS right, isn't it? You have no background in science or medicine.

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Emily's avatar

I am convinced he actually believes the lies he spreads. It is difficult to imagine that he has devoted so much of his life to something he knows is false and dangerous. He thinks he is a brave warrior fighting for children. I think he is deeply disturbed.

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BillyJoe's avatar

You may be partly right, but he has been caught out blatantly lying on many occasions trust. As they say of a repetitive liar, you never know when they might be telling the truth.

One blatant lie is that he has repeatedly stated that you cannot sue pharmaceutical companies. But he knows you can because he, himself has sued them. It's just that you need to go through the Vaccine Court first. Then, if you are not happy, you can sue in a civil court. Also drug companies can be sued for errors in manufacture that cause harm and could have been avoided.

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rombios's avatar

He's a warrior for pharma stocks and keeping his rotavirus vaccine on the CDC child schedule nothing more

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BillyJoe's avatar

rombios <--- a warrior fighting in the sewer.

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rombios's avatar

BillyBob <------------ an ignoramus who hasnt read a single book on this subject.

You are literally spitting at the wind. Heads of HHS/CDC/FDA/NIADS has changed and with that the truth will make its way known

No matter what you say on here

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BillyJoe's avatar

What this little guy means is that I haven't read a single book from among the dozen books written by pseudoscientists that he stupidly displayed in a photo. But he wouldn't recognise a good science book if it whacked him over the head - and I think w few heavy tomes have done just that!

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rombios's avatar

Dr PRoffit is a hack who is only concerned that his rotavirus vaccine (of which he still makes money off of license) remains on the CDC vaccination schedule and that his pharma stocks arent affected

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John Fontaine, Phm's avatar

Please attend the funeral of the child who just died from measles & then reassess your misunderstanding of the real science. JJF 🇨🇦

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Edward's avatar

RFK suspends JAB committees! Stops bogus “flu” vax! like dominos! sit down Offit! we’ll take it from here!! Wow! Good prevails!

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rombios's avatar

He's literally spitting at the wind. He doesn't understand that he's denials fly in the face of reality and just like RFKjr was confirmed against his hopes so too will we have a Vax vs unVax study

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Mike S's avatar

It’s a circus, with a clown as the ringmaster.

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rombios's avatar

That would be Anthony Fauchi but he's resigned and gotten a pardon from.Biden.in.his waning days.

One wonders why an NAIAD chairman would NEED a presidential pardon at the last minute

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Dr Colin Bannon's avatar

Many of us in the UK are looking on in disbelief, horror even. The USA is rapidly going backwards. A nation undergoing reverse education. Keep up the good work! I expect many younger docs are fearful of speaking publicly!

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Dana Ullman, MPH, CCH's avatar

Wow...there is STRONG evidence that the FDA and CDC are "captured" by the Big Pharma companies that they are supposed to regulate. The previous studies were strongly influenced by Big Pharma...and THIS was very obvious in the recent debacle with Alzheimer's drugs!

It sounds like Offit is now afraid of having new studies conducted by people without any conflicts of interest. Hmmm. This is not just a red flag...it is a maroon flag. Because Offit and other Big Pharma shills are afraid to have new studies conducted, we NEED to have these studies done right this time!...and without the obvious conflicts of interest.

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Free Radical's avatar

Earth-shattering contention by;

DANA ULLMAN, MPH, CCH, is one of America’s leading advocates for homeopathy. Author of 10 books on homeopathic medicine ....

We should hang out. I'm one of North America's leading alchemists! And a Master Level Phrenologist!

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BillyJoe's avatar

I see I am not the only one who knows about this silly crank.

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Free Radical's avatar

Your alma mater, "The British Institute of Homeopathy," is in a suburban South New Jersey patch of woods behind a trailer park cul de sac. About 200 yards away from "The Herb Shop," also on Zion Road.

Online only, of course.

580 Zion Road, Egg Harbor Township, NJ 08234.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Wow! I haven't read anything that has dropped out of your arse for ages. I thought you were dead! But here you are, large as life and as dumb as ever spreading misinformation that kills.

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Brent Wakefield's avatar

Thank you for your work. I hope your voice can be amplified. Please contact Sam Harris to see if he interested in having you on his podcast.

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Sobshrink's avatar

Dr. Offit is great on podcasts but he will probably be too busy taking care of sick children! You might like to listen to the podcast of Dr. Michael Osterholm at the University of Minnesota for all things infectious diseases, as well as his summary of what is happening under RFK Jr and the implications for public health.

https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/osterholm-update

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Jonathan's avatar

I thought Dr. Offit hit it out of the park on CNN the other day. Much better than the antivaxxor!

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BillyJoe's avatar

All I can seem to find is Calley Means ignorant rant. Is there a link to where we hear Dr. Paul Offit respond?

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rombios's avatar

Don't u think you've been under his desk long enough. Would you really admit that PRoffit sucked in the interview panel?

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rombios's avatar

No he's too busy making them sick promoting his deadly indemnified poison cocktails

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Brent Wakefield's avatar

🙄

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Hesham A. Hassaballa, MD's avatar

Great piece. And update: one of those kids in Texas died. It is as senseless as it gets. And no one understands the horror of losing a child except those who have gone through it in the past.

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EB's avatar

Watching Dr. Cassidy succinctly and accurately diagnose the public health threat posed by RFK, and then bite to approve his nomination, was a depressing and clarifying demonstration of our current situation. Other Repub senators with expertise on issues like national security, justice, housing, intelligence, and the military similarly compromised their ethics and knowledge when they voted for nominees who they knew to be unqualified, unfit, and a threat to millions. Trump's own corruption, ignorance, and lack of ethics is a swamp in which many sink. There is no coming back from that fetid morass.

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Los Honores's avatar

There is no association between MMR and autism, no doubt, and I am inclined to think that is true for other vaccines. However, kids receive up to 72 shots in the US before age 18, and we do not have evidence for vaccines other than MMR. So, to make a general negative statement about "vaccines" and autism (or anything else) is misleading.

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Walt French's avatar

We have hundreds of millions of *former* kids—me, for one—who’ve lived full, healthy lives after receiving treatments that’ve been ongoing since Jenner (1796)

We have been spared scourges like smallpox that struck down a high fraction of their victims

Your claim is utter nonsense

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John Fontaine, Phm's avatar

Some people can cross the road & not look both ways yet to sain person would do this repeated...my point you simply got lucky!

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Los Honores's avatar

I am not making any claim I am simply saying there is no evidence.

Gene X environment interactions exist, though they may affect a susceptible subset of the population (e.g. only about 10-20% of lifelong smokers develop lung cancer yet we know smoking increases risk of cancer substantially).

Vaccines may have non-specific effects beyond their intended purpose of protecting against specific diseases.

Some may be beneficial: e.g. BCG and the measles vaccine have been associated with reduced mortality from causes unrelated to the target diseases. Studies in Guinea-Bissau by Aaby et al. found that children who received early BCG and/or measles vaccinations experienced improved survival rates, suggesting that such live vaccines might boost overall immunity through mechanisms not yet fully understood.

Some appear to be harmful: e.g. studies on non-live vaccines like the diphtheria-tetanus-pertussis have shown a tendency for increased mortality in children who received these vaccines. Specifically, in meta-analyses of studies in Guinea-Bissau and elsewhere, DTP-vaccinated children were found to have higher mortality rates compared to unvaccinated children, with these findings being particularly significant among girls.

We do not know why.

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EB's avatar

Wrong. The best large epidemiological studies didn't just score MMR. They include dates of all vaccinations as a variable. None show an association with later development of autism. The timing of the vaccination schedule is a separate discussion to have with your pediatrician. A reality behind clustering shots is that pediatricians can't count on parents bringing their kids in repeatedly for vaccines more spaced out in time so better to deliver several vaccines at once than risk kids not being fully vaccinated. Important to know that babies are born with no immunity other than the few antibodies transferred from mother, and that before vaccines, many kids died of infectious disease before their first birthday .

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Los Honores's avatar

Please quote exactly which studies you are referring to, namely those focusing on autism as an outcome. I do not support false associations, but vague statements like yours, without specific references, are unacceptable. Particularly given your strong incipit.

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Judy Brinckerhoff's avatar

I think it’s also fascinating that this administration is 1) sending troops to the border 2) focusing on the communicable disease threat that migrants bring to the country and never once make the vaccine connection. They want to scare with the threat of communicable disease but not prevent and protect

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Paul Hossfield's avatar

Sometimes I envy my late brother, who died in 2022 and so did not have to live to see his country go to shit.

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Chris's avatar

Thanks again for another great post, and for acting as a voice of reason and intelligence to balance against this idiocracy of a regime we are currently under.

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EB's avatar

You're a fool. Worse, you're a fool who thinks he's the smartest guy in the room. Measle infections fall on a spectrum, mild for some kids, severe for others, and fatal for some as we've now seen. You discount the time lost to illness for parents and families, the discomfort of being sick and the risk for more serious health impacts on some, all amplified by the high contagion of this virus. One sign of your foolishness is that you will never accept the growing body of scientific evidence that MMR vaccine does not cause autism. You're certain in your ignorance and nothing is going to budge you, right? And you're ignorant in saying that no one "pays attention to autism." I'm a PhD neuroscientist who does NIH funded research and have reviewed many grant proposals to study autism. NIMH invests far more money in autism research than in other neurological developmental disorders that are much more common because of all the publicity vaccine deniers give to autism. The research overwhelmingly shows that autism is largely caused by genetic factors rather than by vaccines or pollutants. It's hard for over achieving parents to acknowledge that their genes contributed to their kids' autism so they are relieved to be able to blame vaccines instead, no matter what the scien ce shows. Too bad. Now , I don't think that you'll change your views because of what I've said since you know everything, but other less biased readers might still be open to actual facts and it's them to whom I am speaking.

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