Thanks, Dr. Offit. As a psychologist who has specialized in autism since the 90's and followed the research, I can confirm your explanations. I can also confirm the validity of what this formerly anti-vaxx, courageous mom wrote (link below). She did not vaccinate her child and he was diagnosed with autism despite his unvaccinated status. (He's not the only one yet you never hear anti-vaxxers explain how that could happen). As this mom so aptly describes, "Autism seems as if it occurs at random, and regression is traumatic for parents to witness. People need a reason, because it gives us a sense of control in a chaotic world." I have seen many parents of kids with ASD over the years devastated by various hucksters (e.g., those peddling facilitated communication, various concoctions, etc.). Unfortunately they are a vulnerable group and are easily manipulated by the likes of JFK Jr. But at least some of them come to realize they've been exploited, such as the "Back to the Vax" parent group. As for all the anti-vaxxers who want to bombard me with your misinformation, you can waste your time if you want to, but I'm neither vulnerable nor exploitable so good luck with that.
It is entirely possible that, in the presence of mononucleosis and strep throat, measles could have caused the bacterial pneumonia, meaning it was not a "hospital-acquired pneumonia (HAP)," and there was no medical mismanagement. Pierre Kory may make all the claims he wishes, but he was not among the treating physicians, and has the luxury of second guessing a team that was racing to save this unvaccinated child's life in real time. Both Kory & Malone attempt to dissuade readers from believing that measles is anything but a deadly disease, and it was measles alone that was responsible for the death of this child.
"so - anyone you dont agree with (even if properly educated and credentialed) is a misinformation maniac?" Do Better. Citations only, not ad hominems. I'm not falling for your useless trash talk.
It does not matter what it sounds like to you, son. It is the truth. Just admit that you are uneducated in science, medicine, and critical thinking, and that, because of this, you were easy to fool by a pack of antivaxxers grifting for fame and fortune on social media.
Both children had measles because they were unvaccinated because of antivax propaganda that reduces vaccination levels below herd immunity.
THAT part is undeniable.
Now tell me who is covering up - the antivaxxers responsible for causing that drop in vaccination rates that resulted in these two children becoming infected, or the doctors who tried desperately to save their lives once they did become infected?
It's not hard, son, once you drop your antivax bias.
Nonsense. Having thr measles was a childhood ritual shared by myself and millions others. If measles are suddenly deadly enough that 1 in a 1,000 (or less) die rather than 1 in a million, common sense dictates it is due to humans losing resistance due to vaccines.
“I saw the medical report on it today and the thing that killed her was not the measles, but it was a bacteriological infection.”
The fool doesn’t know that bacterial sepsis is one of most common ways measles kills you. It inflames the respiratory tract, promoting bacterial invasion, and the immune suppression caused by the measles means the bacteria aren’t dealt with, and cause septicaemia and severe sepsis.
If he had any medical knowledge he’d know that, but he’s a lawyer who believes stuff like HIV doesn’t cause AIDS.
so - anyone you dont agree with (even if properly educated and credentialed) is a misinformation maniac?
Its amazing that Robert Malone (who was praised in the past) is now viewed as a misinformation maniac. Just because he unearths information that goes against the pharma $cript
For me, thats an even better reason to pay more attention to him now
Malone is a disaffected researcher who got very butt hurt because the Nobel prize didn’t go to him for his mRNA work (but instead went to the researchers who actually did the work to turn it into a vaccine).
His views on MRNA are wrong. Being credentialed doesn't make him right! And it doesn't infer anything about me, but you sure seem to think you know me. Do you know everything?
Measles has surged to over 700 cases as of Friday with 3 deaths associated. Maybe the measles caused their immunity to plummet causing the deaths. But MEASLES was the main culprit. It cannot be denied. It’s like saying when having heart disease and having your lungs fill up with fluid, the person died from suffocation not heart disease. THEY ARE RELATED.
If you go back to pre-vaccine days, there were NUMEROUS deaths and horrible side effects from measles.
As Rombios (a poster here)pointed out 98% of mortality rates had decreased before vaccines. So whatever it was we know for a fact that it was not vaccines that led the decrease. So we can immediately set that nonsense aside
So maybe you can explain why there were 500+ measles deaths EVERY year from 1950-1963 when the measles vaccine was introduced and suddenly they dramatically VANISHED? You can't set this aside.
It doesn't matter how much the death rate had been reduced before the vaccines were introduced. 500 children were still dying of the measles infection every year before the introduction of the measles vaccine. And measles vaccination reduced to zero - until this year when antivaxxers managed to bring it back!
Please tell me you understand this.
Besides, the reduction in measles deaths before the vaccine was introduced was due to other medical advances made by medical scientists. This is why antivaxxers only ever show you graphs depicting measles DEATHS and never INFECTIONS. The infection rates were not reducing but the deaths from the infection were reducing because of improved medical treatment of those infections.
Please tell me you understand this.
But PREVENTION of infection is vastly better - and vastly less expensive -than TREATMENT of infection. And drug companies make far more money from products that treat disease than prevent it. Ironically it is antivaxxers - and not provaxxers - who boost drug company profits!
“Measles resulted in 2.6 million deaths per year before immunization became common.[13] This has decreased to 122,000 deaths per year as of 2012,mostly in low-income countries.[13] Through vaccination, as of 2018, rates of measles in North and South America are very low.[13] Rates of disease have been seen to increase in populations that go unvaccinated.[13] Between 2000 and 2018, vaccination decreased measles deaths by 73%.[14]”
"It was a day of frequent and heroic dosage and equally frequent and heroic bleeding. In the South, during the summer, there was a cry of fever, fever, fever, and calomel was used (a mercury chloride mineral with formula Hg2Cl2, mercury(I) chloride. By the 19th century, calomel was viewed as a miracle drug. It was used against almost every disease, including syphilis, bronchitis, cholera, ingrown toenails, teething, gout, tuberculosis, influenza, and cancer) along with quinine (medication used to treat malaria and babesiosis). These were administered lavishly, thus adding to the horror."
" Until 1928, another universally useless method of treating disease was the use of alcohol for diphtheria. It was only in 1927, when a British hospital decided not to use alcohol, and found that the mortality rate became much lower, that doctors realized alcohol increased myocardial degeneration. "
I read the medical records. As I said previously, they are attempting to persuade you that measles were insignificant and that medical personnel were responsible for her death. It is entirely possible that, in the presence of mononucleosis and strep throat, MEASLES could have caused the bacterial pneumonia, meaning it was not a "hospital-acquired pneumonia (HAP)," and there was no medical mismanagement.
That's not the deceased childrens' medical records.
That is the self-serving deliberately false interpretation of the medical records by well-known antivax liars on a well-known blatantly antivax website set up by the despicable lying antivaxxer RFK junior.
BTW, your possessive apostrophe in "childrens'" is in the wrong place, indicating further corruption in your standards at the hands of those filthy lying antivax lunatics.
“Doctors”? Kory’s certification was revoked because he was spreading false information (i.e., lying). He have no authority or expertise to share. A so-called “review” by him is meaningless.
I will bet you right now: Kory will never testify in a malpractice lawsuit and make those claims under oath--because he would go to prison for perjury.
Infanticidal maniacs and child killers like you calling people who are concerned about people like you killing infants and children, "unhinged" is not unexpected from an infanticidal maniac and child killer like you.
"You own stock in pharmaceuticals?"
You must have missed my call for maximum government regulation of the drug companies and maximum penalties for not abiding by those regulations.
No, you silly, stupid thing, what we are discussing here is science and media literacy and critical thinking, all of which Infanticidal maniacs and child killers like you lack.
First, it has not definitively been proven they are lying (since what you call lying might be better termed a truth that is being born), since it’s only been so far the pro vaxxers who make the “lying”claim; and second, I think it’s absolutely necessary to understand the arguments of those who oppose any dominant narrative. Throughout history those who have opposed the current paradigm have often been correct. Further, links don’t lie. LOL
Consider that you are not likely to win anyone over to your way of seeing things. Your rhetoric is the language of stupid people. If you’re smart, you’ve left us no way of knowing that.
I am not here to pull a horrible creature like you off the bottom of the sewer. You are a lost cause. I want people to see what an infanticidal maniac and child killer looks like under the surface.
Some poster pointed out how heads of the CDC have resigned over conflicts of interest to work at pharmaceuticals and after purchasing and holding pharmaceutical stock.
Thats not the organization I am going to listen to
Rombios posted this two weeks ago before his ban. I screenshotted it.
But the comments in the book "Vaccine Court" (recent purchase) shed light on it. It reads
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Perhaps the most infamous example is how the head of the CDC from 2002 to 2009, Julie Gerberding, left her government job to go work as president of Merck’s $5 billion global vaccine division. Merck’s CEO understandably described Gerberding as an “ideal choice”. She held that position until 2014 and currently holds the Merck job title of “Executive Vice President & Chief Patent Officer, Strategic Communications, Global Public Policy and Population Health”. That is to say, the former CDC director is now in charge of Merck’s propaganda efforts. One might say she’s basically doing the same job now that she did for the CDC, but even more lucratively. Apart from her salary, in 2015, Gerberding sold shares of Merck worth over $2.3 million dollars.
A more recent example came in January 2018, when CDC Director Brenda Fitzgerald was forced to resign after Politico reported that, after assuming leadership of the CDC on July 7, 2017, she “bought tens of thousands of dollars in new stock holdings in at least a dozen companies”—including Merck.
Offit states: "(NIH) spent $170 million dollars to study the disorder, an amount that has increased every year. In 2025, NIH spent $330 million. The Autism Cares Act authorizes an additional $2 billion over the next five years."
FAIL. You have FAILED.
The $ spent on pink ribbons & Alzheimer's & RA & other studies, always fundraising & NO ROOT CAUSE FOUND & NO CURES. YOU HAVE FAILED. But you sure have made a whole lot of money on meds while you have failed your patients & your Hippocratic oath.
Hi Paul and Friends: Dr. Marks was cussing openly to AP reporters while telling the world he denied access to VSD data to HHS Secretary Kennedy.
Paul, you are putting out the same level of desperation vibes.
The fact that $170mm has been spent by the status quo is not a good fact set. Under the current leadership, our health outcomes simply suck.
The "health" and "medical" "authorities" are no such thing. They are public servants.
The uncovering of all data sets held by publicly funded institutions is a good thing. I am concerned by the specter of Dr. Mark's spittle and profanity specked public tirade against this common sense, perfectly legal course of action.
One wonders why he, and you, and your colleagues, are so very agitated at losing control of the ability to determine what data is publicly accessible.
Marks denied RFK access to *edit or delete* the data, but allowed him to see it. The fact that got him forced out tells you everything you need to know about RFK’s intentions.
again thats not a vax vs unvax study. the CDC routinely does these studies like this but never compares vax vs unvax.
Here they compare vaccinated before 36 months to vaccinated after 36 months
"Age at first measles-mumps rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population based study in metropolitan atlanta" published in the journal Pediatrics in 2004. Dr Frank DeStefano the former director of the CDCS immunization safety office is the papers lead author
The study investigators report 1.49x greater odds of an autism diagnosis in children receiving the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age verses children recieving the MMR vaccine after 36 months of age.
For boys only its 1.6x times.
Youll notice what they are comparing - vax vs vax. Just like YOUR STUDY
The most likely scenario is that they all know that vaccinations are a contributing factor to the rise of autism, but they have made behind the scenes risk/reward calculations that suggest we should continue vaccinations anyway. They believe the rest of us are total idiots that will never understand risk reward. So they lie to us instead. Now they don't want to get caught in that lie. That's EXACTLY what was going on during the Covid vaccination period (not autism related but risk reward). They knew it didn't work very well (hardly at all), but they lied about the efficacy and side effects because their risk reward analysis suggested it was still worth doing it. The problem was they were so incompetent or such big liars, they didn't break out the risk reward by sex, age and health status and just pushed it on everyone. It was a wildly corrupt and incompetent period in medical history and is STILL ONGOING!!!!! These are NOT all good or honest people. Get that out of your head.
As someone who has studied this research for over 10 years, I can tell you unequivocably that vaccines do not cause autism. The contention that the Thiomersal was the culprit which is it’s obviously not the case since it was removed from vaccines years ago. Now people say the concern is aluminum when the aluminum in a vaccine is less than what you eat in a dinner.
Yes, good employees deny their 'evil' bosses unfettered access to sensitive data while retaining that access for themselves. Marks also claimed that Kennedy requested of him MMR-encephalitis data that doesn’t exist. Of course we can trust Marks, who had unfettered access to the database, that that data never existed. Unlike 'the devil' Kennedy, Marks is a real stand-up guy /s
As an autistic adult, this is infuriating and angering. Autism diagnoses aren't diseases to be "cured", but I feel like trying to tel them that would be like talking to a wall made of dogshit.
I would agree with you. The evidence in your reply. However, imagine if you gave birth to a non verbal non functioning child wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of what a blood test cannot?
Speaking of blaming “Big Pharma”, telling me again how decimating the NIH, FDA and CDC is somehow fighting this shadow organization? Is the thought that we should have no research whatsoever?
Thanks again for another great post. As always, the major advocacy organizations are saying and doing nothing whatsoever. Once RFK Jr releases his bogus “study” it will be over. The NIH stamp of approval will be on it. Even if and when it gets overridden in the future, people will be like, “how do we trust you and not the scientists that came before you?”.
This is exactly why the major medical groups and the editorial boards of the major journals needed to speak up BEFORE he was confirmed.
I don't agree that they made their opinions known. None of the major advocacy groups (e.g. AMA, IDSA, AAP, ACEP, Chest, SCCM, etc) spoke up at all when RFK Jr was nominated. Nor did any of the editorial boards at the major journals, such as NEJM, JAMA, etc. This should have been a four alarm fire kind of moment. There should have a massive outpouring of condemnation at this nomination, BEFORE the confirmation hearings. It absolutely would have made a difference. But they said nothing. Just crickets. I reached out to them all. Those who responded back answered with some combination of "well, we don't want to upset him because we want to maintain a working relationship with him if he gets confirmed" and "many of our members are conservative", as if this is red or white issue.
And now we are screwed. Once the NIH/CDC formally express an opinion that vaccines cause autism, there will be no way to reverse that in the court of public opinion. Even if a future NIH/CDC (if they even exist) reverses that stance, the public can, understandably, say, "why should we believe you now and not before?"
I have a son with autism, and life is pretty tough.
The thing that strikes me as so odd with both Trump and RFKjrn is there is a complete abandonment of basic physiological processes (and economical theory). It’s all very superficial, black and white. Where the truth is conditions such as autism are routed in very complex physiological processes that differ between individuals.
Further, they don’t understand truly about proper research. It’s so entwined with simple concepts like take vitamin A equals cure. I can tell you, a supplement in my child isn’t going to cure him. Unlikely even to ease any symptoms to deal a noticeable degree. Why, because generally he isn’t missing any of these from his diet any way. What he is seemingly missing thou, is his ability to interpret his proprioception inputs, or to be able to function because he’s unable to process the many thousands of thoughts we have per second in a way that doesn’t overwhelm his well being.
I wont even get into how insulting they are to the real hero’s in this world who dedicate their self to understanding these complex physiological processes or who advocate for better awareness etc. Hero’s like yourself.
My son had autism from birth my friend. Naturally we didnt know for a couple of years - but he’s boob refusal and other challenges made a lot more sense later on. All this before any vaccine.
it must be killing you inside - knowing that you are the reason your son has autism. it was your decision to get him vaccinated after all. you want it to be something other than that decision to allay your guilty conscience
its apparent then why you would be against RFKjr pushing resources into getting to the bottom of this.
this dude poisoned his kid by getting him vaccinated. knows it deep inside but wants to blame the one guy who is willing to pony up resources to conduct a true test (not like the tests the NIH did in the past where they looked at everything BUT vaccines)
the one consolation is that his autistic son has rendered him a genetic dead end. a full end to his bloodline. developmentally challenged kids and adults can barely take care of themselves let alone a family. so his blood line is caput
thats whats kiling him inside.
but instead of properly blaming himself (and his ignorance when he made the decision) then helping others to avoid his mistake - he wants to channel it outside and theres is kharma for that
Besides, you don't know how disabled Mr. Jarman's son is. People with mild autism, who can function in society, can have kids. Hell, half of the people Silicon Valley are on the spectrum, and they have families.
To be fair one of the number one attacks pro pharma people place onto parents that don’t vaccinate is that they are killing their kids. It’s all a bit much, people should have the right to do as they wish, they shouldn’t be penalized because of those choices. People should be encouraged to look at information fore making a choice. I can tell you prior to COVID almost no one was made aware of package inserts. Just watching the Peter Marks zoom meeting that were released this week where he’s dealing with people that have neuropathy injuries and seeing that he was aware these groups numbered in the 1000’s and seeing when he had this information yet was giving PSA’s that said there was no safety signals. These people either are the most corrupt business people the world knows or they believe in vaccines so strongly they can’t be objective when they are not working. Prior to COVID everyone believed these people, it was blind trust. And because none of them are taking responsibility for getting it wrong they are losing even more trust as time goes on. The disaster public health has become is entirely their doing.
There is laws prohibiting the poisoning of children. It is not a choice but a crime. If you want to say there is a loophole called vaccination then you need to prove there is a vaccine. Claiming something is a vaccine isn't good enough. Given that this is 17th century bs attributed to speculation by milk maids then I don't like your chances.
No, it isn't the truth, and you cite nothing, because you have nothing.
Di Pietrantonj C, Rivetti A, Marchione P, Debalini MG, Demicheli V. Vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella in children. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2021, Issue 11. Art. No.: CD004407. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD004407.pub5.
Study characteristics
We looked for studies that assessed MMR, MMRV or MMR+V vaccines, given in any dose or time schedule, compared with not giving the vaccine, or giving a placebo vaccine (a sham treatment), to healthy children up to 15 years old. Studies needed to measure the number of cases of measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox, and report whether children suffered any unwanted effects attributable to vaccination. We checked each study to make sure it used robust methods so that we could judge how reliable its results were.
Results
We found 138 studies with more than 23 million children. Fifty-one studies (10 million children) assessed how effective the vaccines were at preventing the diseases, and 87 studies (13 million children) assessed unwanted effects. In this 2020 update we have included 74 new studies published since 2012
Unwanted effects
Overall, the studies found that MMR, MMRV and MMR+V vaccines did not cause autism (2 studies 1,194,764 children), encephalitis (2 studies 1,071,088 children) or any other suspected unwanted effect. Our analyses showed very small risks of fits due to high temperature or fever (febrile seizures) around two weeks after vaccination, and of a condition where blood does not clot normally (idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura) in vaccinated children.
Certainty of the evidence
Our certainty (confidence) in the evidence is slightly limited by the design of most of the studies. Nonetheless, we judged the certainty of the evidence for the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine to be moderate, and that for the varicella vaccine to be high. Our certainty in the evidence for autism and febrile seizures was also moderate.
Conclusions
Our review shows that MMR, MMRV and MMR+V vaccines are effective in preventing the infection of children by measles, mumps, rubella
and chickenpox, with no evidence of an increased risk of autism or encephalitis and a small risk of febrile seizure.
Search date
This review includes evidence published up to 2 May 2019.
1) "Age at first measles-mumps-rubellla vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population based study in metropolitan atlanta" published in the Journal of Pediatrics in 2004. Dr Frank Stefano the former director of the CDCs immunization safety office, is the papers lead author
The study investigators report 1.49x greater odds of autism diagnosis in children receiving the mmr before 36 months. boys were 1.67x exclusively and blacks were 2.52x
2) "Reanalysis of CDC data on autism incidence and time of first MMR vaccination" published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons in 2018. Dr Brian Hooker is the author of this publication. Children receiving the MMR vaccine prior to 36 months of age had 2.52 times greater odds of a diagnosis of "autism without mental retardation" compared to children receiving the MMR vaccine after 36 months
3) "Is Measles Vaccination a risk for inflammatory bowel disease" published in the journal lancet in 1995. Nick P Thompson from the Royal Free Hospital School of medicine in London, UK is the lead author. Recipients of the live measles vacine had a 3.01 times greater relative risk of a diagnosis of chrohns disease and a 2.53 times greater risk of ulcerative colitis compared to unvaccinated children
A meta-analysis of the published epidemiologic studies concluded that MMR vaccine is not associated with an increased risk of autism. The evidence for a possible association between MMR vaccine and autism also has been extensively reviewed by three committees of the National Academy of Medicine, and all have concluded that MMR vaccine does not cause autism.
Lack of acceptance of vaccination with consequent decreases in vaccination coverage leads to resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, as was demonstrated with pertussis vaccination in several countries in the 1970s and 1980s (97) and MMR vaccination in the United Kingdom and the United States more recently. The resurgence of disease is then followed by increased acceptance of vaccination. It would be tragic if this were to be the path to restoring confidence in MMR vaccination. Everything should be done to avoid a scenario where widespread resurgence of measles, with its attendant suffering, disability, and death, becomes the motivating force for renewed acceptance of MMR vaccination.
Secondly, as to your reference regarding IBF, it is so outdated and subsequently debunked as to useless, while I was able to find and stopped at seven citations that refute your second reference, the best of which is from the New England Journal of Medicine, which should should be well known to anyone familiar with the topic:
Madsen, KMM, et al. A Population-Based Study Of Measles, Mumps, And Rubella Vaccination And Autism. N Engl J Med 2002;347:1477-82.
Conclusion: This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.
This all being said, I conclude that you are a typical, weak anti-vaxxer "scientist" and have no business criticizing anyone with your lame charts and silly citations. Go home and convince your followers - such as they are - from there.
You sound like a sore loser, have a look in the mirror, what you’ve said to people you should be ashamed of. Just think when all you had to do was attack people and that was enough so that people thought your propaganda was legitimate information. The world has changed a lot since 2019 when people actually trusted you. Greed got the best of you all, you just took the scam too far, and now it’s biting you in the ass.
How many times do I have to tell you I’d be in favour of vaccines that are safe and effective. Why would I be against that? The theory is great, but the truth is they haven’t worked as promised. MMR was going to mimic natural infection without the rash or other rare complications, be a one and done shot. It wasn’t in the equation that it would have risks if risks were even a remote possibility the idea of vaccinating millions of perfectly healthy kids would have been rejected given the thinking of the day. If they knew that MMR was not going to have sterilizing immunity and that as the portion of the population born before 1960 with robust natural immunity aged out leaving only vaccine immunity behind that fails resulting in more and more outbreaks which included adults among the infected they would have rejected the idea of its use.
I think that’s the perfect question for yourself. What’s going to be interesting is watching people like you experience your walls of control coming down. My guess is you’ll become much more humble and sympathetic to believing that people from all sides on an issue should be represented at the table. I have a feeling it’s getting closer to popcorn time.
Of course it’s a free world, it’s not my problem that whoever they are gets so bent out of shape. I guess as their world view falls apart it’s not surprising.
Best to do a comparison of the complete health profile, not just autism of vaccinated to unvaccinated contained in the VSD database. Most people would likely be content to just copy those that have better health. It’s like following others down a steep trail when you reach a fork, everyone in front of you that takes one path slip and fall, those going the other way stay up without a challenge. In that situation you just follow the way that works, you don’t demand a study before making a choice and I bet if the VSD shows one group is significantly more healthy than the other the majority would simply do the same.
Obviously time for a new team on the job, the existing crew is baffled by the problem. Like Jimmy Dore asks, exactly how much phamra money does it take for a doctor to be baffled?
The fact is that the VSD data has been available for decades and once again you anti-vaccs are posting crap counting on folks to be too stupid to read.
Since you’re insistent on vomiting hack theories from 20 years ago about vaccines that scientists in the medical community already disproved - then you also need to explain why children have autism who have NEVER received any of the vaccinations you say cause it. I’ll wait…
I love that you’re digging in on an item like liability, doubling down that the Covid shots are subject to typical liability the same as any other industry. Come post that a lie again, one more screen shot to share would be awesome .
You know you just undermine yourself making a claim like that. The system that was set up to deal with injuries to date has approved 2 deaths and 11 injuries resulted from the shots. You’d probably point to that as proof of how save they are.
Grok is much more rational than you on matters like this - his answer below. Perhaps Grok doesn’t have marching orders to deny to the bitter end.
Yes, Pfizer and other COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers received liability protections in the United States under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act). The PREP Act was invoked by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in February 2020 in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, granting immunity to “covered persons” (including vaccine manufacturers like Pfizer and Moderna) from legal liability for claims related to the administration or use of “covered countermeasures,” such as vaccines, during a public health emergency.
Does Pfizer face the same liability for the Covid shots that Purdue faced for OxyContin? Are they subject to product liability the same way way Boeing was for their products when they killed people?
The truth wins, that’s why progress is being made against the frauds you perpetuate. The fact that you do these attack from behind an anonymous profile further discredits yourself. You should really go public, present your background and work to reach out to the skeptics that have been so much more effective than you. You need to speak to them directly in front of their audience if you believe that you have a case that needs to be heard to save vaccines.
Claiming the cdc just send what they are asked to provide is a joke, they have to be taken to court, much is redacted. Keep telling yourself it’s transparent, you probably have to believe that to sleep at night
1. Why not wait until he submits his report instead of revealing your own bias with a personal attack that contains spin?
2. No one, including RFK Jr, ever said that vaccines alone were the cause. Autism existed before vaccines. So obviously there are other causes. What he has said is that autism cases are rising and there is a correlation between that rise and the significant rise in the number of vaccines each child gets in a compressed timeframe, the use of legal and illegal drugs prior to and during pregnancy (including birth control), the use of pesticides in the environment and chemicals in food. So it makes sense to take a good look at each of those correlations to see if there is also causation.
3. There are too many cases of parents that claim their child was behaving perfectly normally until vaccination and IMMEDIATELY showed signs of autism (like a side effect reaction) for comfort. Even though autism generally gets noticed around the same age as vaccination, these parents know their children. They are not all lying or mistaken.
4. The government has paid out for a handful of vaccine injury cases related to autism despite what is undoubtedly extreme pressure to claim it was another cause.
5. I don't know what RFK Jr will find, but let's wait and see. At least we know he's going to try harder than government agencies funded by drug companies that offer revolving door jobs for the potentially corruptible have in the past.
6. Anyone that was paying close attention to the data and early results out of Israel knows the medical community, govt agencies and media told endless lies for an extended period of time about the Covid vaccine's efficacy and side effects during Covid. To trust them on this would be wildly idiotic!!!
"3. There are too many cases of parents that claim their child was behaving perfectly normally until vaccination and IMMEDIATELY showed signs of autism (like a side effect reaction) for comfort. Even though autism generally gets noticed around the same age as vaccination, these parents know their children. They are not all lying or mistaken."
I agree they are not lying.
They are mistaken. It is easy to PROVE that the autism started before the vaccine. This is an example of a very, very well-known cognitive bias (recall bias).
If you go back the Omnibus hearings, scientists clear demonstrated how in the test cases the autism was already started before the vaccines were given.
It is trivial to do this with ~any family. The anti-vaccs know this and they know how to do the test, but they don't because they are a fraud.
There is no question: the anti-vaccs have filled your head with lies.
the previous NIH studies were tasked with looking at everything BUT vaccines as the cause for autism. they front loaded the results before the study began
Well he’ll do a retrospective observational study full of confounding variables; he’s chosen an idiotic antivaxers who has produced fraudulent research on the same topic before and who was convicted of impersonating a doctor to run the study.
again thats not a vax vs unvax study. the CDC routinely does these studies like this but never compares vax vs unvax.
Here they compare vaccinated before 36 months to vaccinated after 36 months
"Age at first measles-mumps rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population based study in metropolitan atlanta" published in the journal Pediatrics in 2004. Dr Frank DeStefano the former director of the CDCS immunization safety office is the papers lead author
The study investigators report 1.49x greater odds of an autism diagnosis in children receiving the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age verses children recieving the MMR vaccine after 36 months of age.
For boys only its 1.6x times.
Youll notice what they are comparing - vax vs vax. Just like YOUR STUDY
i didn't realize how badly the persistent anti-vax "if you disagree you're a shill" comments were getting me down.... until I saw this comment and yelled OH THANK GOODNESS JUST SOME PLAIN OLD SPAM. Dear, lovely, boring spam! 😅
Paul, you write: "In the late 1990s, a researcher in England published a paper claiming that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine caused autism."
You ignore former NIH director Dr. Bernadine Healy going on CBS Evening News in 2008 to raise her own concerns about association between ramped up vaccine schedule and neurodevelopmental problems.
It's ok to disagree with Healy and point out how she is mistaken- it is gaslighting to constantly direct attention to Wakefield while obfuscating Healy's very publicly proclaimed concerns.
How long will you keep posting these outdated, a 1,000x debunked anti-vaxxer staples as if they continue to have any relevance or meaning? Pardon me, but who cares?
Thanks, Dr. Offit. As a psychologist who has specialized in autism since the 90's and followed the research, I can confirm your explanations. I can also confirm the validity of what this formerly anti-vaxx, courageous mom wrote (link below). She did not vaccinate her child and he was diagnosed with autism despite his unvaccinated status. (He's not the only one yet you never hear anti-vaxxers explain how that could happen). As this mom so aptly describes, "Autism seems as if it occurs at random, and regression is traumatic for parents to witness. People need a reason, because it gives us a sense of control in a chaotic world." I have seen many parents of kids with ASD over the years devastated by various hucksters (e.g., those peddling facilitated communication, various concoctions, etc.). Unfortunately they are a vulnerable group and are easily manipulated by the likes of JFK Jr. But at least some of them come to realize they've been exploited, such as the "Back to the Vax" parent group. As for all the anti-vaxxers who want to bombard me with your misinformation, you can waste your time if you want to, but I'm neither vulnerable nor exploitable so good luck with that.
https://louisvilleky.gov/health-wellness/document/do-vaccines-cause-autism
And this!!
Please click on insert to see the whole pic.
Good comment
But it’s RFK Jr not John
Right. I'm old enough to remember both JFK and RFK Senior, and to have fingers that sometimes pick the wrong one! :)
Totally understand
I was thinking you might want to know…😊
Absolutely! Thanks! 😁
One of the reasons I appreciate Substack is they built in the “edit tool”
Thank goodness!
Good point. If I can remember to use it! 🤣
Another dumb statement but then again what else do we expect from close minded people.
Another fact/reason free posting from an anti-vacc.
But then the anti-vacc never have anything rational or ethical to offer......
I wish MAGA would learn to write and spell properly. You all appear to be illiterate.
Google is your friend. The MMR vaccine does not contain aluminum. Human breast milk, however, does. Just sayin
“Health secretary RFK Jr. endorses the MMR vaccine — stoking fury among his supporters”
APRIL 7, 2025
Geoff Brumfiel
https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/04/07/nx-s1-5354900/hhs-rfk-endorses-mmr-measles-vaccine-stoking-supporters-fury
It was a very tepid endorsement. He continues to say that “the decision to vaccinate is a personal one.”
Because it is.
Wasnt he just interviewed about this? He said the two girls died from medical malpractice not measles
RFK Jr. Shuts Down Measles Scare in His First Network Interview as HHS Secretary
https://www.vigilantfox.com/p/rfk-jr-shuts-down-measles-scare-in
Also Dr Malone spoke about this issue
https://substack.com/@rwmalonemd/note/c-107755192
It is entirely possible that, in the presence of mononucleosis and strep throat, measles could have caused the bacterial pneumonia, meaning it was not a "hospital-acquired pneumonia (HAP)," and there was no medical mismanagement. Pierre Kory may make all the claims he wishes, but he was not among the treating physicians, and has the luxury of second guessing a team that was racing to save this unvaccinated child's life in real time. Both Kory & Malone attempt to dissuade readers from believing that measles is anything but a deadly disease, and it was measles alone that was responsible for the death of this child.
>It is entirely possible that, in the presence of mononucleosis and strep throat,
This sounds like the b.s narrative compromised doctors and health officials parrot whenever a child is damaged after taking a vaccine.
"we dont know what caused the problem but we are sure it was not vaccines"
Do better. No one is falling for that anymore
"so - anyone you dont agree with (even if properly educated and credentialed) is a misinformation maniac?" Do Better. Citations only, not ad hominems. I'm not falling for your useless trash talk.
A documentary video will be coming out soon regarding this outbreak in the Mennonite community.
So … no answer to the question?
Thats the issue with your side. You only accept your doctors and your medical research scientists. Well, on this side - we accept our own as well.
And lets see whose children fare better in the long run
"This sounds like..."
It does not matter what it sounds like to you, son. It is the truth. Just admit that you are uneducated in science, medicine, and critical thinking, and that, because of this, you were easy to fool by a pack of antivaxxers grifting for fame and fortune on social media.
Both children had measles because they were unvaccinated because of antivax propaganda that reduces vaccination levels below herd immunity.
THAT part is undeniable.
Now tell me who is covering up - the antivaxxers responsible for causing that drop in vaccination rates that resulted in these two children becoming infected, or the doctors who tried desperately to save their lives once they did become infected?
It's not hard, son, once you drop your antivax bias.
Nonsense. Having thr measles was a childhood ritual shared by myself and millions others. If measles are suddenly deadly enough that 1 in a 1,000 (or less) die rather than 1 in a million, common sense dictates it is due to humans losing resistance due to vaccines.
Both are b.s. narratives. Giving the child Tylenol was what started the problem which they then made worse using bucket loads of sedatives.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9516906/
You win!
Most hilariously stupid nonsense in this thread.
Nice!
He is working with the doctors who are treating children in that community.
No he’s not. He’s interfering & making a fool revealing himself. https://substack.com/@rwmalonemd/note/c-107930527?r=2fvoim&utm_medium=ios&utm_source=notes-share-action
Didn't he lose his credentials for fraud?
How can he be treating anyone?
STOP BLINDLY REGURGITATING RFK JUNIOR'S BLATANT LIES.
YOU ARE KILLING PEOPLE.
“I saw the medical report on it today and the thing that killed her was not the measles, but it was a bacteriological infection.”
The fool doesn’t know that bacterial sepsis is one of most common ways measles kills you. It inflames the respiratory tract, promoting bacterial invasion, and the immune suppression caused by the measles means the bacteria aren’t dealt with, and cause septicaemia and severe sepsis.
If he had any medical knowledge he’d know that, but he’s a lawyer who believes stuff like HIV doesn’t cause AIDS.
The bacterial infection was not treated properly in the hospital.
Correction: running the anti-vacc fraud requires lying.
You are welcome to make that claim in a malpractice lawsuit--but you will go to prison for perjury.
Tylenol isn't a bacteria.
How do you know?
https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/my-expert-review-of-the-medical-records?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-restack-comment&r=ykr0h&triedRedirect=true
Let's not link misinformation maniacs to our misinformation thread!
so - anyone you dont agree with (even if properly educated and credentialed) is a misinformation maniac?
Its amazing that Robert Malone (who was praised in the past) is now viewed as a misinformation maniac. Just because he unearths information that goes against the pharma $cript
For me, thats an even better reason to pay more attention to him now
Malone is a disaffected researcher who got very butt hurt because the Nobel prize didn’t go to him for his mRNA work (but instead went to the researchers who actually did the work to turn it into a vaccine).
He’s been antivaccine ever since.
And you know his how, exactly? Let's see the primary sources.
"properly educated and credentialed"'
BULL. SHIT.
"Robert Malone ... a misinformation maniac.
BULLS. EYE.
His views on MRNA are wrong. Being credentialed doesn't make him right! And it doesn't infer anything about me, but you sure seem to think you know me. Do you know everything?
These deniers won’t listen to the doctors that are reviewing the medical records of the two deceased children.
Medical practitioners are not medical scientists. Idiot.
And every scientific discipline has their loud-mouthed minority of contrarians, quacks, cranks.
Social media has simply bought them to your doorstep.
LIES spread orders of magnitude faster than the correction of those lies.
Correction: you won't listen to experts explain how the anti-vaccs are lying about the case.
And you ignore how all these people claiming medical errors, won't ever make those claims under oath.
Endorsing child death is pretty low
It is easy, having failed as a scientist, Malone turned to scamming fools.
Yes the two girls in Texas died from medical error not measles.
There is no evidence they were killed by medical error. That’s just the propaganda info from the antivax industry grasping at straws to clutch.
Malone knows nothing about clinical medicine, and it shows.
Dr Kory has their medical records.
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/breaking-news-doctors-review-texas-measles-medical-records/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=chdtv&utm_id=20250319
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/second-measles-death-confirmed-not-from-measles-lessons-from-the-passage-of/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=chdtv&utm_id=20250409
Kory, ….the delicensed doctor?
Malone, …who’s never seen a sick patient or seen a case of measles?
I needed the laugh, thanks!
Question: how many times do the lies have to be demonstrated to you?
Have you seen this interview with the parents of the 6 year old who died?
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/breaking-news-parents-of-child-in-texas-measles-outbreak-death/?utm_id=20250317&_ga=2.169759457.1736009821.1742444746-1670753888.1731612689
WOW
This is fantastic. I am saving this.
For those who are interested, here is an interview with the parents whose six-year-old died in Texas.
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/breaking-news-parents-of-child-in-texas-measles-outbreak-death/?utm_id=20250317&_ga=2.169759457.1736009821.1742444746-1670753888.1731612689
Question: how many times do the lies have to be demonstrated to you?
They were unvaccinated.
Measles has surged to over 700 cases as of Friday with 3 deaths associated. Maybe the measles caused their immunity to plummet causing the deaths. But MEASLES was the main culprit. It cannot be denied. It’s like saying when having heart disease and having your lungs fill up with fluid, the person died from suffocation not heart disease. THEY ARE RELATED.
If you go back to pre-vaccine days, there were NUMEROUS deaths and horrible side effects from measles.
https://www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/ohio-measles-cases-rise-to-20-heres-what-to-know-about-outbreaks-around-the-us/BTOQ4CICBBELHCO5RQOTF7F3E4/
As Rombios (a poster here)pointed out 98% of mortality rates had decreased before vaccines. So whatever it was we know for a fact that it was not vaccines that led the decrease. So we can immediately set that nonsense aside
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
Its also in the book dissolving illussions - a book I just recently ordered
https://dissolvingillusions.com/graphs-images
So maybe you can explain why there were 500+ measles deaths EVERY year from 1950-1963 when the measles vaccine was introduced and suddenly they dramatically VANISHED? You can't set this aside.
Aldous, do you believe that prior to vaccination for measles, incidence had fallen by 98%?
Oh dear! ….And here was I thinking everyone got measles! 🤔🤪😂
And as many, many people have pointed out your entire posting fails 5th grade.
rombios clearly finds that way too difficult to understand.
Can you?
Rombios is another germ denialist who thinks measles is nog a virus but a miasma.
Measles cases dropped from 3 million per year to less than 100 per year after vaccines were introduced.
Explain that away.
It doesn't matter how much the death rate had been reduced before the vaccines were introduced. 500 children were still dying of the measles infection every year before the introduction of the measles vaccine. And measles vaccination reduced to zero - until this year when antivaxxers managed to bring it back!
Please tell me you understand this.
Besides, the reduction in measles deaths before the vaccine was introduced was due to other medical advances made by medical scientists. This is why antivaxxers only ever show you graphs depicting measles DEATHS and never INFECTIONS. The infection rates were not reducing but the deaths from the infection were reducing because of improved medical treatment of those infections.
Please tell me you understand this.
But PREVENTION of infection is vastly better - and vastly less expensive -than TREATMENT of infection. And drug companies make far more money from products that treat disease than prevent it. Ironically it is antivaxxers - and not provaxxers - who boost drug company profits!
PLEASE TELL ME YOU UNDERSTAND.
“Measles resulted in 2.6 million deaths per year before immunization became common.[13] This has decreased to 122,000 deaths per year as of 2012,mostly in low-income countries.[13] Through vaccination, as of 2018, rates of measles in North and South America are very low.[13] Rates of disease have been seen to increase in populations that go unvaccinated.[13] Between 2000 and 2018, vaccination decreased measles deaths by 73%.[14]”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMR_vaccine#cite_note-EU2018-13
Are you aware that they are listing those with unknown vaccine status as unvaccinated?
There was numerous deaths from allopathy.
"It was a day of frequent and heroic dosage and equally frequent and heroic bleeding. In the South, during the summer, there was a cry of fever, fever, fever, and calomel was used (a mercury chloride mineral with formula Hg2Cl2, mercury(I) chloride. By the 19th century, calomel was viewed as a miracle drug. It was used against almost every disease, including syphilis, bronchitis, cholera, ingrown toenails, teething, gout, tuberculosis, influenza, and cancer) along with quinine (medication used to treat malaria and babesiosis). These were administered lavishly, thus adding to the horror."
https://www.healthscience.org/dr-john-h-tilden-biography/
" Until 1928, another universally useless method of treating disease was the use of alcohol for diphtheria. It was only in 1927, when a British hospital decided not to use alcohol, and found that the mortality rate became much lower, that doctors realized alcohol increased myocardial degeneration. "
http://www.whale.to/a/allopathy4.html
Impossible. They both died from measles, not medical error.
It isn’t impossible. Did you read the the deceased children’s medical records? These doctors did.
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/breaking-news-doctors-review-texas-measles-medical-records/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=chdtv&utm_id=20250319
https://live.childrenshealthdefense.org/chd-tv/shows/good-morning-chd/second-measles-death-confirmed-not-from-measles-lessons-from-the-passage-of/?utm_source=luminate&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=chdtv&utm_id=20250409
I read the medical records. As I said previously, they are attempting to persuade you that measles were insignificant and that medical personnel were responsible for her death. It is entirely possible that, in the presence of mononucleosis and strep throat, MEASLES could have caused the bacterial pneumonia, meaning it was not a "hospital-acquired pneumonia (HAP)," and there was no medical mismanagement.
Nonsense. Grifters claiming to have read the medical records are not evidence of anything.
The hospital and doctors who treated her and created the records, say the opposite and they are the ones with actual access to those records.
That's not the deceased childrens' medical records.
That is the self-serving deliberately false interpretation of the medical records by well-known antivax liars on a well-known blatantly antivax website set up by the despicable lying antivaxxer RFK junior.
BTW, your possessive apostrophe in "childrens'" is in the wrong place, indicating further corruption in your standards at the hands of those filthy lying antivax lunatics.
“Doctors”? Kory’s certification was revoked because he was spreading false information (i.e., lying). He have no authority or expertise to share. A so-called “review” by him is meaningless.
Impossible. Measles doesn't exist.
https://odysee.com/@firestarter:7/SLJS-05-Measles-German-High-Court-Stefan-Lanka:7
All you have to do is to read the Court ruling to see how the anti-vaccs lied to you.
Nonsense. Can you show us single shred of evidence to disprove something that's been reality for over a century?
Not a rando video. An actual piece of evidence, such as a well devised study with thorough methodology and data gathering. 😹
Wrong!
LYING HOUND.
https://pierrekorymedicalmusings.com/p/my-expert-review-of-the-medical-records?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=email-restack-comment&r=ykr0h&triedRedirect=true
Shocking.
Anti-vacc fraudster lying.
I will bet you right now: Kory will never testify in a malpractice lawsuit and make those claims under oath--because he would go to prison for perjury.
This is a helpful website to look up vaccine ingredients.
https://vaccineingredients.net/
"This is a helpful website to look up vaccine ingredients."
What a goddamn ignorant fool you are.
SCARY SOUNDING TOXIC CHEMICALS!!!!
Likewise, this is a helpful website to look up the chemicals that exist naturally in the human body:
https://news.immunologic.org/p/everything-is-chemicalsyes-even-you
SOME PEOPLE ARE SO GODDAMN STUPID AND THIS ONE IS RIGHT UP THERE.
Why are you so unhinged about this? You own stock in pharmaceuticals? LOL
"Why are you so unhinged"
Infanticidal maniacs and child killers like you calling people who are concerned about people like you killing infants and children, "unhinged" is not unexpected from an infanticidal maniac and child killer like you.
"You own stock in pharmaceuticals?"
You must have missed my call for maximum government regulation of the drug companies and maximum penalties for not abiding by those regulations.
No, you silly, stupid thing, what we are discussing here is science and media literacy and critical thinking, all of which Infanticidal maniacs and child killers like you lack.
Why don't you care that the anti-vaccs keep getting caught lying?
It is just basic reading skills to see that Janine's link lies......
First, it has not definitively been proven they are lying (since what you call lying might be better termed a truth that is being born), since it’s only been so far the pro vaxxers who make the “lying”claim; and second, I think it’s absolutely necessary to understand the arguments of those who oppose any dominant narrative. Throughout history those who have opposed the current paradigm have often been correct. Further, links don’t lie. LOL
So you didn't read the link and see it is obviously and stupidly lying.
That is just textbook denial.
Your spleen is leaking
I encourage Paul Offit to remove BillyJoe from the comments. Disrespect and name calling should not be allowed.
Of course you are. Your arse must be falling off be now because of the number of times it has been kicked with a steel-capped boot.
Your ignorance and stupidity are astounding to me for someone with such a large ugly mouth AND...
MISINFORMATION KILLS.
You deserve far more than to be metaphorically kicked in the butt.
Count yourself lucky you cannot be charged with infanticide and child murder just because you didn't literally slit their throats.
Consider that you are not likely to win anyone over to your way of seeing things. Your rhetoric is the language of stupid people. If you’re smart, you’ve left us no way of knowing that.
I am not here to pull a horrible creature like you off the bottom of the sewer. You are a lost cause. I want people to see what an infanticidal maniac and child killer looks like under the surface.
If you honestly can't see how your link lies to people, then you really need to work on your basic reading/science skills before posting again.
The source is the CDC. I am sorry - we cant trust that it is truthful
Of course. So predictable. Anything backed up by real evidence can't be trusted. Lol.
Some poster pointed out how heads of the CDC have resigned over conflicts of interest to work at pharmaceuticals and after purchasing and holding pharmaceutical stock.
Thats not the organization I am going to listen to
"Thats not the organization I am going to listen to"
Nope this silly thing listens to that uneducated conspiracy theorist, rombios. The friggin' irony!
Too funny!
Who exactly did that? Which heads--be specific.
Rombios posted this two weeks ago before his ban. I screenshotted it.
But the comments in the book "Vaccine Court" (recent purchase) shed light on it. It reads
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Perhaps the most infamous example is how the head of the CDC from 2002 to 2009, Julie Gerberding, left her government job to go work as president of Merck’s $5 billion global vaccine division. Merck’s CEO understandably described Gerberding as an “ideal choice”. She held that position until 2014 and currently holds the Merck job title of “Executive Vice President & Chief Patent Officer, Strategic Communications, Global Public Policy and Population Health”. That is to say, the former CDC director is now in charge of Merck’s propaganda efforts. One might say she’s basically doing the same job now that she did for the CDC, but even more lucratively. Apart from her salary, in 2015, Gerberding sold shares of Merck worth over $2.3 million dollars.
A more recent example came in January 2018, when CDC Director Brenda Fitzgerald was forced to resign after Politico reported that, after assuming leadership of the CDC on July 7, 2017, she “bought tens of thousands of dollars in new stock holdings in at least a dozen companies”—including Merck.
Offit states: "(NIH) spent $170 million dollars to study the disorder, an amount that has increased every year. In 2025, NIH spent $330 million. The Autism Cares Act authorizes an additional $2 billion over the next five years."
FAIL. You have FAILED.
The $ spent on pink ribbons & Alzheimer's & RA & other studies, always fundraising & NO ROOT CAUSE FOUND & NO CURES. YOU HAVE FAILED. But you sure have made a whole lot of money on meds while you have failed your patients & your Hippocratic oath.
Can Kennedy do better?Can't do worse!
Thank you for your work and continued advocacy, Dr. Offit.
It's the equivalent of declearing he will find a cure for cancer.
They will be looking for the cause of cancer.
Hi Paul and Friends: Dr. Marks was cussing openly to AP reporters while telling the world he denied access to VSD data to HHS Secretary Kennedy.
Paul, you are putting out the same level of desperation vibes.
The fact that $170mm has been spent by the status quo is not a good fact set. Under the current leadership, our health outcomes simply suck.
The "health" and "medical" "authorities" are no such thing. They are public servants.
The uncovering of all data sets held by publicly funded institutions is a good thing. I am concerned by the specter of Dr. Mark's spittle and profanity specked public tirade against this common sense, perfectly legal course of action.
One wonders why he, and you, and your colleagues, are so very agitated at losing control of the ability to determine what data is publicly accessible.
Marks denied RFK access to *edit or delete* the data, but allowed him to see it. The fact that got him forced out tells you everything you need to know about RFK’s intentions.
the NIH studies looked at everything BUT vaccines.
Its like when our doctors tell us "we dont know what caused this child to regress developmentally BUT WE ARE SURE ITS NOT VACCINES"
So now hopefully Rfkjr can truly look at everything instead of "everything but vaccines" which was the NIH policy in the past
this is not a Vax vs Unvax study. THis study compares autism and mmr against siblings who have autism
>Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism
You claimed the NIH had done no studies on vaccines and autism.
You were wrong.
What you were trying to say was that the NIH haven’t done the sort of studies you want them to do, even if they are unethical or impossible.
Nothing unethical or impossible about it. Because RFKjr is about to do it. We will see if its an issue of wills or possibility
again thats not a vax vs unvax study. the CDC routinely does these studies like this but never compares vax vs unvax.
Here they compare vaccinated before 36 months to vaccinated after 36 months
"Age at first measles-mumps rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population based study in metropolitan atlanta" published in the journal Pediatrics in 2004. Dr Frank DeStefano the former director of the CDCS immunization safety office is the papers lead author
The study investigators report 1.49x greater odds of an autism diagnosis in children receiving the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age verses children recieving the MMR vaccine after 36 months of age.
For boys only its 1.6x times.
Youll notice what they are comparing - vax vs vax. Just like YOUR STUDY
Its not a MMR vax vs Unvax
You lied. You said they did NO studies.
this is not a Vax vs Unvax study. THis study compares autism and mmr against siblings who have autism
>Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism
The most likely scenario is that they all know that vaccinations are a contributing factor to the rise of autism, but they have made behind the scenes risk/reward calculations that suggest we should continue vaccinations anyway. They believe the rest of us are total idiots that will never understand risk reward. So they lie to us instead. Now they don't want to get caught in that lie. That's EXACTLY what was going on during the Covid vaccination period (not autism related but risk reward). They knew it didn't work very well (hardly at all), but they lied about the efficacy and side effects because their risk reward analysis suggested it was still worth doing it. The problem was they were so incompetent or such big liars, they didn't break out the risk reward by sex, age and health status and just pushed it on everyone. It was a wildly corrupt and incompetent period in medical history and is STILL ONGOING!!!!! These are NOT all good or honest people. Get that out of your head.
Lies, 100% lies.
As someone who has studied this research for over 10 years, I can tell you unequivocably that vaccines do not cause autism. The contention that the Thiomersal was the culprit which is it’s obviously not the case since it was removed from vaccines years ago. Now people say the concern is aluminum when the aluminum in a vaccine is less than what you eat in a dinner.
Eating and injecting are 2 different things…
The most likely scenario is that you won't listen to qualified scientists and learn the facts.
FALSE! From FACT CHECK.ORG:
“Latest CDC Data: Unvaccinated Adults 97 Times More Likely to Die from COVID-19 Than Boosted Adults”
By D'Angelo Gore
https://www.factcheck.org/2022/02/scicheck-latest-cdc-data-unvaccinated-adults-97-times-more-likely-to-die-from-covid-19-than-boosted-adults/
Does your daughter still pretend to tolerate you?
“Cussing openly.” The outrage! Please tell us more about desperation, and how you drive your daughter to it. Does she interact with you willingly?
He was not denied access to VSD data.
One doesn't have to wonder why the anti-vaccs can's seem to ever get the most basic facts correct.
BTW: did you see the gross lies in the new "report" on CHD about thimerosal?
CHD uses censors to stop actual scientists from posting facts, but seriously......how could anyone finish 3rd grade and not see the lies?
Yes, good employees deny their 'evil' bosses unfettered access to sensitive data while retaining that access for themselves. Marks also claimed that Kennedy requested of him MMR-encephalitis data that doesn’t exist. Of course we can trust Marks, who had unfettered access to the database, that that data never existed. Unlike 'the devil' Kennedy, Marks is a real stand-up guy /s
As an autistic adult, this is infuriating and angering. Autism diagnoses aren't diseases to be "cured", but I feel like trying to tel them that would be like talking to a wall made of dogshit.
I would agree with you. The evidence in your reply. However, imagine if you gave birth to a non verbal non functioning child wouldn't you want to get to the bottom of what a blood test cannot?
Then you take it to someone who isn't prejudiced in how autism is, like Lemongrab Jr is.
I did as I got my diagnosis when I was 8 years old.
Speaking of blaming “Big Pharma”, telling me again how decimating the NIH, FDA and CDC is somehow fighting this shadow organization? Is the thought that we should have no research whatsoever?
Thanks again for another great post. As always, the major advocacy organizations are saying and doing nothing whatsoever. Once RFK Jr releases his bogus “study” it will be over. The NIH stamp of approval will be on it. Even if and when it gets overridden in the future, people will be like, “how do we trust you and not the scientists that came before you?”.
This is exactly why the major medical groups and the editorial boards of the major journals needed to speak up BEFORE he was confirmed.
They already did studies and made their opinions known. They were not welcomed by these conspiracy theorists.
I don't agree that they made their opinions known. None of the major advocacy groups (e.g. AMA, IDSA, AAP, ACEP, Chest, SCCM, etc) spoke up at all when RFK Jr was nominated. Nor did any of the editorial boards at the major journals, such as NEJM, JAMA, etc. This should have been a four alarm fire kind of moment. There should have a massive outpouring of condemnation at this nomination, BEFORE the confirmation hearings. It absolutely would have made a difference. But they said nothing. Just crickets. I reached out to them all. Those who responded back answered with some combination of "well, we don't want to upset him because we want to maintain a working relationship with him if he gets confirmed" and "many of our members are conservative", as if this is red or white issue.
And now we are screwed. Once the NIH/CDC formally express an opinion that vaccines cause autism, there will be no way to reverse that in the court of public opinion. Even if a future NIH/CDC (if they even exist) reverses that stance, the public can, understandably, say, "why should we believe you now and not before?"
perfect essay
Agree 100%
I have a son with autism, and life is pretty tough.
The thing that strikes me as so odd with both Trump and RFKjrn is there is a complete abandonment of basic physiological processes (and economical theory). It’s all very superficial, black and white. Where the truth is conditions such as autism are routed in very complex physiological processes that differ between individuals.
Further, they don’t understand truly about proper research. It’s so entwined with simple concepts like take vitamin A equals cure. I can tell you, a supplement in my child isn’t going to cure him. Unlikely even to ease any symptoms to deal a noticeable degree. Why, because generally he isn’t missing any of these from his diet any way. What he is seemingly missing thou, is his ability to interpret his proprioception inputs, or to be able to function because he’s unable to process the many thousands of thoughts we have per second in a way that doesn’t overwhelm his well being.
I wont even get into how insulting they are to the real hero’s in this world who dedicate their self to understanding these complex physiological processes or who advocate for better awareness etc. Hero’s like yourself.
My son had autism from birth my friend. Naturally we didnt know for a couple of years - but he’s boob refusal and other challenges made a lot more sense later on. All this before any vaccine.
Be a good human. It’s human nature to do so.
it must be killing you inside - knowing that you are the reason your son has autism. it was your decision to get him vaccinated after all. you want it to be something other than that decision to allay your guilty conscience
its apparent then why you would be against RFKjr pushing resources into getting to the bottom of this.
You are an evil son of a bitch.
its the truth.
this dude poisoned his kid by getting him vaccinated. knows it deep inside but wants to blame the one guy who is willing to pony up resources to conduct a true test (not like the tests the NIH did in the past where they looked at everything BUT vaccines)
the one consolation is that his autistic son has rendered him a genetic dead end. a full end to his bloodline. developmentally challenged kids and adults can barely take care of themselves let alone a family. so his blood line is caput
thats whats kiling him inside.
but instead of properly blaming himself (and his ignorance when he made the decision) then helping others to avoid his mistake - he wants to channel it outside and theres is kharma for that
It isn't the truth, and you're a sick fuck.
Besides, you don't know how disabled Mr. Jarman's son is. People with mild autism, who can function in society, can have kids. Hell, half of the people Silicon Valley are on the spectrum, and they have families.
To be fair one of the number one attacks pro pharma people place onto parents that don’t vaccinate is that they are killing their kids. It’s all a bit much, people should have the right to do as they wish, they shouldn’t be penalized because of those choices. People should be encouraged to look at information fore making a choice. I can tell you prior to COVID almost no one was made aware of package inserts. Just watching the Peter Marks zoom meeting that were released this week where he’s dealing with people that have neuropathy injuries and seeing that he was aware these groups numbered in the 1000’s and seeing when he had this information yet was giving PSA’s that said there was no safety signals. These people either are the most corrupt business people the world knows or they believe in vaccines so strongly they can’t be objective when they are not working. Prior to COVID everyone believed these people, it was blind trust. And because none of them are taking responsibility for getting it wrong they are losing even more trust as time goes on. The disaster public health has become is entirely their doing.
There is laws prohibiting the poisoning of children. It is not a choice but a crime. If you want to say there is a loophole called vaccination then you need to prove there is a vaccine. Claiming something is a vaccine isn't good enough. Given that this is 17th century bs attributed to speculation by milk maids then I don't like your chances.
To be fair, almost everyone that has finished middle school immediately sees the anti-vacc con about Dr. Marks.
The anti-vaccs just prey upon fools......
No, it isn't the truth, and you cite nothing, because you have nothing.
Di Pietrantonj C, Rivetti A, Marchione P, Debalini MG, Demicheli V. Vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella in children. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2021, Issue 11. Art. No.: CD004407. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD004407.pub5.
Study characteristics
We looked for studies that assessed MMR, MMRV or MMR+V vaccines, given in any dose or time schedule, compared with not giving the vaccine, or giving a placebo vaccine (a sham treatment), to healthy children up to 15 years old. Studies needed to measure the number of cases of measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox, and report whether children suffered any unwanted effects attributable to vaccination. We checked each study to make sure it used robust methods so that we could judge how reliable its results were.
Results
We found 138 studies with more than 23 million children. Fifty-one studies (10 million children) assessed how effective the vaccines were at preventing the diseases, and 87 studies (13 million children) assessed unwanted effects. In this 2020 update we have included 74 new studies published since 2012
Unwanted effects
Overall, the studies found that MMR, MMRV and MMR+V vaccines did not cause autism (2 studies 1,194,764 children), encephalitis (2 studies 1,071,088 children) or any other suspected unwanted effect. Our analyses showed very small risks of fits due to high temperature or fever (febrile seizures) around two weeks after vaccination, and of a condition where blood does not clot normally (idiopathic thrombocytopenic purpura) in vaccinated children.
Certainty of the evidence
Our certainty (confidence) in the evidence is slightly limited by the design of most of the studies. Nonetheless, we judged the certainty of the evidence for the effectiveness of the MMR vaccine to be moderate, and that for the varicella vaccine to be high. Our certainty in the evidence for autism and febrile seizures was also moderate.
Conclusions
Our review shows that MMR, MMRV and MMR+V vaccines are effective in preventing the infection of children by measles, mumps, rubella
and chickenpox, with no evidence of an increased risk of autism or encephalitis and a small risk of febrile seizure.
Search date
This review includes evidence published up to 2 May 2019.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
I also have studies
1) "Age at first measles-mumps-rubellla vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population based study in metropolitan atlanta" published in the Journal of Pediatrics in 2004. Dr Frank Stefano the former director of the CDCs immunization safety office, is the papers lead author
The study investigators report 1.49x greater odds of autism diagnosis in children receiving the mmr before 36 months. boys were 1.67x exclusively and blacks were 2.52x
2) "Reanalysis of CDC data on autism incidence and time of first MMR vaccination" published in the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons in 2018. Dr Brian Hooker is the author of this publication. Children receiving the MMR vaccine prior to 36 months of age had 2.52 times greater odds of a diagnosis of "autism without mental retardation" compared to children receiving the MMR vaccine after 36 months
3) "Is Measles Vaccination a risk for inflammatory bowel disease" published in the journal lancet in 1995. Nick P Thompson from the Royal Free Hospital School of medicine in London, UK is the lead author. Recipients of the live measles vacine had a 3.01 times greater relative risk of a diagnosis of chrohns disease and a 2.53 times greater risk of ulcerative colitis compared to unvaccinated children
Do you even know how to properly cite a scientific journal study? What do you do for a living, for heaven's sake? As to your citations,
First, apparently, you missed DeStefano's update to his research in 2019:
DeStefano,, F. Shimabukuro, TT. The MMR Vaccine and Autism. Annu Rev Virol. 2019 Apr 15;6(1):585–600. https://doi.org/10.1146/annurev-virology-092818-015515
A meta-analysis of the published epidemiologic studies concluded that MMR vaccine is not associated with an increased risk of autism. The evidence for a possible association between MMR vaccine and autism also has been extensively reviewed by three committees of the National Academy of Medicine, and all have concluded that MMR vaccine does not cause autism.
Lack of acceptance of vaccination with consequent decreases in vaccination coverage leads to resurgence of vaccine-preventable diseases, as was demonstrated with pertussis vaccination in several countries in the 1970s and 1980s (97) and MMR vaccination in the United Kingdom and the United States more recently. The resurgence of disease is then followed by increased acceptance of vaccination. It would be tragic if this were to be the path to restoring confidence in MMR vaccination. Everything should be done to avoid a scenario where widespread resurgence of measles, with its attendant suffering, disability, and death, becomes the motivating force for renewed acceptance of MMR vaccination.
Secondly, as to your reference regarding IBF, it is so outdated and subsequently debunked as to useless, while I was able to find and stopped at seven citations that refute your second reference, the best of which is from the New England Journal of Medicine, which should should be well known to anyone familiar with the topic:
Madsen, KMM, et al. A Population-Based Study Of Measles, Mumps, And Rubella Vaccination And Autism. N Engl J Med 2002;347:1477-82.
Conclusion: This study provides strong evidence against the hypothesis that MMR vaccination causes autism.
This all being said, I conclude that you are a typical, weak anti-vaxxer "scientist" and have no business criticizing anyone with your lame charts and silly citations. Go home and convince your followers - such as they are - from there.
Great.
Glad you are interested in science. Now please go and learn some basic stats so you can understand the studies.
Hey, you are the person that doesn't understand what the word "poisoned" means.....
It must be sad to mindlessly attack other people rather than to try learning.
You sound like a sore loser, have a look in the mirror, what you’ve said to people you should be ashamed of. Just think when all you had to do was attack people and that was enough so that people thought your propaganda was legitimate information. The world has changed a lot since 2019 when people actually trusted you. Greed got the best of you all, you just took the scam too far, and now it’s biting you in the ass.
One thing hasn't changed: anti-vaccs like you keep lying and counting on folks to be too stupid read.
At least you just aren't a tiny bit clever.........or moral!
How many times do I have to tell you I’d be in favour of vaccines that are safe and effective. Why would I be against that? The theory is great, but the truth is they haven’t worked as promised. MMR was going to mimic natural infection without the rash or other rare complications, be a one and done shot. It wasn’t in the equation that it would have risks if risks were even a remote possibility the idea of vaccinating millions of perfectly healthy kids would have been rejected given the thinking of the day. If they knew that MMR was not going to have sterilizing immunity and that as the portion of the population born before 1960 with robust natural immunity aged out leaving only vaccine immunity behind that fails resulting in more and more outbreaks which included adults among the infected they would have rejected the idea of its use.
"How many times do I have to tell you I’d be in favour of vaccines that are safe and effective"
They are safe and effective. You just keep lying about the most basic facts.
I think that’s the perfect question for yourself. What’s going to be interesting is watching people like you experience your walls of control coming down. My guess is you’ll become much more humble and sympathetic to believing that people from all sides on an issue should be represented at the table. I have a feeling it’s getting closer to popcorn time.
It is interesting to note the many examples I post where all it takes is basic reading skills to see the anti-vaccs are liars.
History says that a decade from now you will still be posting the same lies over and over......plus some new ones.
But you still won't have a rational or ethical thought to offer!
Your anger is showing through, always typical behaviour of those that have something to hide.
Yes, your deliberate support of a fraud that kills children makes all moral people angry.
Then there are folks like you!
At least you just aren't very clever.
You approve of Aldous’s pretty horrid comment?
Of course it’s a free world, it’s not my problem that whoever they are gets so bent out of shape. I guess as their world view falls apart it’s not surprising.
These guys (i Honestly think Mike/Albus/BillyBob are paid to be here) are unbelievably heartless and disconnected from reality
They love tossing out labels.
1) Parents of vaccine injured children are antivaxxers
2) Doctors opposed to vaccines on lack of efficasy and safety are labeled frauds
3) Head of HHS seeking to conduct vax vs unvax study is a crack pot
Its just laughable at this point.
Explain the countless people with autism who never were vaccinated.
Best to do a comparison of the complete health profile, not just autism of vaccinated to unvaccinated contained in the VSD database. Most people would likely be content to just copy those that have better health. It’s like following others down a steep trail when you reach a fork, everyone in front of you that takes one path slip and fall, those going the other way stay up without a challenge. In that situation you just follow the way that works, you don’t demand a study before making a choice and I bet if the VSD shows one group is significantly more healthy than the other the majority would simply do the same.
Rational people want the analysis done correctly!
BTW: it is easy to gain access to the VDS data and countless researchers have done so for decades.
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety-systems/vsd/access-use.html
Obviously time for a new team on the job, the existing crew is baffled by the problem. Like Jimmy Dore asks, exactly how much phamra money does it take for a doctor to be baffled?
It is obvious why you changed the subject.
The fact is that the VSD data has been available for decades and once again you anti-vaccs are posting crap counting on folks to be too stupid to read.
What a horrible thing to say to a parent. You clearly lack any degree of empathy/sympathy.
Regarding a new study? Why divert precious funding away from other vital research just to revisit this topic which is pretty well settled.
What next? A study on whether drinking water helps prevent dehydration?
Since you’re insistent on vomiting hack theories from 20 years ago about vaccines that scientists in the medical community already disproved - then you also need to explain why children have autism who have NEVER received any of the vaccinations you say cause it. I’ll wait…
I love that you’re digging in on an item like liability, doubling down that the Covid shots are subject to typical liability the same as any other industry. Come post that a lie again, one more screen shot to share would be awesome .
https://www.cnbc.com/2025/04/14/pfizer-scraps-daily-weight-loss-pill-danuglipron.html
Imagine how much different the Covid shot experience would have gone if Pfizer faced liability for the harms it caused.
rombios has many times posted the facts: Pfizer has liability for the covid vaccines.
We don't need to imagine, we constantly see that the anti-vaccs stupidly lie about ~everything.
You know you just undermine yourself making a claim like that. The system that was set up to deal with injuries to date has approved 2 deaths and 11 injuries resulted from the shots. You’d probably point to that as proof of how save they are.
You changed the subject.
It was YOUR claim that Pfizer didn't have liability for harms caused by covid vaccines.
You don't want to talk about the facts, because any with basic reading skills could read rombio's links and see your claim is a lie.
Hey, that is true for ~everything you post!
Grok is much more rational than you on matters like this - his answer below. Perhaps Grok doesn’t have marching orders to deny to the bitter end.
Yes, Pfizer and other COVID-19 vaccine manufacturers received liability protections in the United States under the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act (PREP Act). The PREP Act was invoked by the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) in February 2020 in response to the COVID-19 pandemic, granting immunity to “covered persons” (including vaccine manufacturers like Pfizer and Moderna) from legal liability for claims related to the administration or use of “covered countermeasures,” such as vaccines, during a public health emergency.
" received liability protections"
Correct. They still have liability.
You just choose not to post the conditions when they could be sued!
Does Pfizer face the same liability for the Covid shots that Purdue faced for OxyContin? Are they subject to product liability the same way way Boeing was for their products when they killed people?
Yes they do.
Is there any chance you use your basic reading skills and read the law--it has been posted here 100s of times--no you will not.
Yup, it takes willful stupidity to fall for your lies.
Less people agree with you than 5 years ago, and even less again will agree with you in a year from now. Your world of propaganda is falling apart.
Telling us that the anti-vacc fraud is getting more effective at lying to people is not a compelling argument.
The truth wins, that’s why progress is being made against the frauds you perpetuate. The fact that you do these attack from behind an anonymous profile further discredits yourself. You should really go public, present your background and work to reach out to the skeptics that have been so much more effective than you. You need to speak to them directly in front of their audience if you believe that you have a case that needs to be heard to save vaccines.
Yup.
And the truth is anyone with a middle school education can see it YOU that continues to support fraud.
Claiming the cdc just send what they are asked to provide is a joke, they have to be taken to court, much is redacted. Keep telling yourself it’s transparent, you probably have to believe that to sleep at night
One can claim that the anti-vaccs have a point or two to make, but not based on BS like you posted!
Thanks Dr. Offit!
Maybe next he will take on something more important like cancer … or discover by September how to cure autoimmune diseases!!
Gonna be a busy man!!
All of these are important. Our regulatory agencies have spent too much money on autism studies, while doing nothing to end this epidemic.
Gosh, you should really learn what regulatory agencies do!
Then you should try listening to actual scientists and learn some facts.
Special place in hell for Kennedy
1. Why not wait until he submits his report instead of revealing your own bias with a personal attack that contains spin?
2. No one, including RFK Jr, ever said that vaccines alone were the cause. Autism existed before vaccines. So obviously there are other causes. What he has said is that autism cases are rising and there is a correlation between that rise and the significant rise in the number of vaccines each child gets in a compressed timeframe, the use of legal and illegal drugs prior to and during pregnancy (including birth control), the use of pesticides in the environment and chemicals in food. So it makes sense to take a good look at each of those correlations to see if there is also causation.
3. There are too many cases of parents that claim their child was behaving perfectly normally until vaccination and IMMEDIATELY showed signs of autism (like a side effect reaction) for comfort. Even though autism generally gets noticed around the same age as vaccination, these parents know their children. They are not all lying or mistaken.
4. The government has paid out for a handful of vaccine injury cases related to autism despite what is undoubtedly extreme pressure to claim it was another cause.
5. I don't know what RFK Jr will find, but let's wait and see. At least we know he's going to try harder than government agencies funded by drug companies that offer revolving door jobs for the potentially corruptible have in the past.
6. Anyone that was paying close attention to the data and early results out of Israel knows the medical community, govt agencies and media told endless lies for an extended period of time about the Covid vaccine's efficacy and side effects during Covid. To trust them on this would be wildly idiotic!!!
Just one example:
"3. There are too many cases of parents that claim their child was behaving perfectly normally until vaccination and IMMEDIATELY showed signs of autism (like a side effect reaction) for comfort. Even though autism generally gets noticed around the same age as vaccination, these parents know their children. They are not all lying or mistaken."
I agree they are not lying.
They are mistaken. It is easy to PROVE that the autism started before the vaccine. This is an example of a very, very well-known cognitive bias (recall bias).
If you go back the Omnibus hearings, scientists clear demonstrated how in the test cases the autism was already started before the vaccines were given.
It is trivial to do this with ~any family. The anti-vaccs know this and they know how to do the test, but they don't because they are a fraud.
There is no question: the anti-vaccs have filled your head with lies.
The question is: do you care?
Why not stfu
the previous NIH studies were tasked with looking at everything BUT vaccines as the cause for autism. they front loaded the results before the study began
No, the NIH has funded many studies on vaccines and autism. Here is one for example:
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2275444
this is not a Vax vs Unvax study. THis study compares autism and mmr against siblings who have autism
>Autism Occurrence by MMR Vaccine Status Among US Children With Older Siblings With and Without Autism
Once more, please? In English, this time …
You claimed the NIH had done no studies on vaccines and autism.
You were wrong.
What you were trying to say was that the NIH haven’t done the sort of studies you want them to do, even if they are unethical or impossible.
Nothing unethical or impossible about it. Because RFKjr is about to do it. We will see if its an issue of will or possibility
Well he’ll do a retrospective observational study full of confounding variables; he’s chosen an idiotic antivaxers who has produced fraudulent research on the same topic before and who was convicted of impersonating a doctor to run the study.
again thats not a vax vs unvax study. the CDC routinely does these studies like this but never compares vax vs unvax.
Here they compare vaccinated before 36 months to vaccinated after 36 months
"Age at first measles-mumps rubella vaccination in children with autism and school-matched control subjects: a population based study in metropolitan atlanta" published in the journal Pediatrics in 2004. Dr Frank DeStefano the former director of the CDCS immunization safety office is the papers lead author
The study investigators report 1.49x greater odds of an autism diagnosis in children receiving the MMR vaccine before 36 months of age verses children recieving the MMR vaccine after 36 months of age.
For boys only its 1.6x times.
Youll notice what they are comparing - vax vs vax. Just like YOUR STUDY
Its not a MMR vax vs Unvax
You lied. You said they did NO studies.
Keep bringing the fire, Dr. Offit! It’s only a matter of time before RFK, Jr. promises to reveal who killed Tupac…
okay that made my morning. Borrowing!😆👍🏼👏🏼
i didn't realize how badly the persistent anti-vax "if you disagree you're a shill" comments were getting me down.... until I saw this comment and yelled OH THANK GOODNESS JUST SOME PLAIN OLD SPAM. Dear, lovely, boring spam! 😅
Paul, you write: "In the late 1990s, a researcher in England published a paper claiming that the measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) vaccine caused autism."
You ignore former NIH director Dr. Bernadine Healy going on CBS Evening News in 2008 to raise her own concerns about association between ramped up vaccine schedule and neurodevelopmental problems.
It's ok to disagree with Healy and point out how she is mistaken- it is gaslighting to constantly direct attention to Wakefield while obfuscating Healy's very publicly proclaimed concerns.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-open-question-on-vaccines-and-autism/
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/leading-dr-vaccines-autism-worth-study/
How long will you keep posting these outdated, a 1,000x debunked anti-vaxxer staples as if they continue to have any relevance or meaning? Pardon me, but who cares?
Gosh......why are you listening to a cardiologist and a kook that can't understand "big" words like toxin?
Remind us: what was the final ruling on the King case?
Thank you for spreading the truth!
You mean, spreading lies.
Do you make any effort at looking for the facts?