Dr. Offit, thank you for continuing to present the factual reality of the consequences of misinformation.
I can only imagine the sadness, likely anger , you may feel for children dying needless in the USA.
I don't believe RFK Jr will ever admit his lack of understanding of factual science...if he did that would subject him to liability.
DJT is the ring-leader of a growing band of sycophants who clearly share a similar selfish mindset.
It's regrettable the comments to follow will include the same vitriol, vulgar vocabulary that challenges your factual information.
Thank you once again for being a voice of truth when those occupying the 'bully pulpit' in Washington cannot speak the truth & state unequivocally what is truly in the best interest (medically) for the American people.
History will record this time in America as a sad chapter that need not have occurred.
Left unsaid is that Offit profits from his vaccine included in the childhood vaccination program. Sits on a MERCK appointed chair at CHOP. ANd stands to lose millions in stocks from pharmaceutical investments when the truth comes out
Every time he posts one of these - one or more of you sycophants come out with
>Dr. Offit, thank you for continuing to present the factual reality of the consequences of misinformation.
at the lies of the pharmaceutical industry over the expanse of my lifetime. at their minions in the media both main stream and social (the facebook, youtube, IGs of the world) who manipulate, cover up, cancel, censor, deplatform any truth about the lack of safety and efficacy of vaccines.
this is what led to my vaccine injured child - so this is a quiet PERSONAL battle am waging
Stomp your feet and soil yourself more appropriately somewhere else. You have presented NOTHING to support your assorted claims of coverups, manipulations, lack of safety, or lack of efficacy besides a compulsive and offensive plastering of meaningless "charts & graphs" that make you look foolish. Anyone who could have assisted you - out of the chute - you scorned, ridiculed, mocked, and offended like a child. And now you are isolated, backed into a corner, and it is of your own doing. How you haven't been banned at this point by Dr. Offit is beyond my understanding based on what you've said about him alone. Perhaps make your PERSONAL battle something other than being a complete asshole and see what can happen.
Great thing about science (and reality) is that it doesn't care one whit who a person works for. Dr. Offit's income is irrelevant. One either pays attention to the evidence or chooses to ignore it and make up stories in their head.
Thankfully, Dr. Offit is communicating facts and scientific evidence. He could be a little green man from Mars and that would change the fact that he's right.
Problem with your statement is that we have already established that Offit is a liar. The issue is what informs that lie and why he persists against evidence to the contrary.
This is where the conflict of interest matters.
For example, decades ago many peer reviewed studies hailed Vioxx and Phenfen as safe and effective drugs.
It took many deaths and millions of court judgement to recall those drugs.
Which begs the question (since science doesn't change) how did these drugs pass RCTs and peer review?
Conflicts of interest. Peer review "scientists" will vote in accordance with whoever is funding them
Offit will vote to support his vaccines position on the CDC schedule and his stock options in Merck and other pharmaceutical giants
Offit has been one of the first to recommend targeting just high risk groups which if implemented would have cost the pharmaceutical companies millions. In addition, he was one of two to vote against new boosters several years back. You are the liar my friend.
I have asked you several times to tell me what your educational background is and what you do for a living, and you do not respond. These are particularly significant when you hold yourself out as qualified to discuss matters of science, epidemiology, & medicine. Likewise, you openly refer to others as "stupid" and mock them as "ignorant." I believe the truth will set you free.
He won’t tell you that he stated to his chum ZDogg, that he(Offit), had wild exposure to measles as a child and that resulted in superior immune protection, when compared to a shot of MMR.
I also had exposure to measles as a child. It was very common before the immunization was available. But I would not dream of deliberately exposing my children to a potentially deadly disease today when there is a safe vaccine available as an alternative.
That is your choice. I beg to differ re safety. The recent initiative to assess actual placebo controlled vaccine clinical trials, which include the MMR vaccine, will reveal the facts and the evidence.
The article commences with this statement: "During the past 40 years the ecological approach to disease has become a basic concept of epidemiology. Among all diseases measles has stood as the classic example of successful parasitism. This self-limiting infection of short duration, moderate severity, and low fatality has maintained a remarkably stable biological balance over the centuries. Those epidemiologists, and there are many, who tend to revere the biological balance have long argued that the ecological equilibrium of measles is solidly based, that it cannot readily be disrupted and that therefore we must learn to live with this parasite rather than hope to eradicate it. This speaker, not so long ago, was counted among this group and waxed eloquent on this subject in print."
So far so good and so natural...but then Langmuir and Henderson et al say: "Happily, this era is ending. New and potent tools that promise effective control of measles are at hand. If properly developed and widely used, it should be possible to disrupt the biological balance of measles. Its eradication from large continental land masses such as North America and many other parts of the world can be anticipated soon."
Langmuir and Henderson et al admit measles isn't in the same category as heart disease, arthritis or mental disease, and not a matter of parental concern like poliomyelitis "in spite of relatively low incidence".
But Langmuir and Henderson et al decide measles: "should still be classed as an important health problem on two main counts. First any parent who has seen his small child suffer even for a few days with persistent fever of 105°, with hacking cough and delirium wants to see this prevented, if it can be done safely. Second, at last there is promise that something can be accomplished by organized health action."
Langmuir and Henderson et al are keen to portray a child suffering with measles...but is this the general experience? My own anecdotal experience indicates it wasn't that serious. And even if a child did have a fever and a cough, does this justify a vaccine intervention which may have other repercussions for health and natural immunity?
Langmuir and Henderson et al's Figure 1 presents annual morbidity and mortality for the expanding reporting areas from 1912 to 1959, noting the stability of the morbidity rate and the steady downward trend in the mortality rate. They also note:"the somewhat ominous suggestion of a cessation of this downward trend since 1955 similar to the leveling off of the infant death rates during the past six years. The morbidity figures testify to the stability of the biological balance of measles during the period. The decline in mortality demonstrates the degree to which we have adapted to this balance and have learned to live with this parasite."
How shocking that the ecological equilibrium of measles was deliberately upset by man-made interference, seeking to make people dependent upon vaccination, interfering with their own natural defences.
….Oh for the sake of a flying fish! The problem is that tens of thousands of American kids are unable to relate THEIR anecdotal experiences, because they are dead or have brain damage from measles.
Of course measles wasn’t regarded as a big child killer in 1960… they were at far more risk from deadlier infections like polio, diphtheria of pertussis, and far more died from childbirth or neonatal issues than nowadays.
But having largely vanquished these major killers, it was only right that focus turns to other diseases like measles, rubella etc. Pre vaccine, 450 kids died each year from measles, and hundreds more had brain damaging encephalitis. Deafness from measles and mumps was common.
All you crazy antivaxers want to do is turn back the clock to the days when about 10,000 or more kids died each year from diseases we now prevent by vaccination.
So your 'voice of authority' hiding behind your pseudonym trumps my lived experience?
I don't think so...
Time for a much more nuanced and broad-ranging conversation on self-limiting illnesses, diseases, and vaccination, a conversation that has been deliberately suppressed for years.
Also, I see you're a retired NHS infectious diseases specialist - did you administer vaccines yourself? What form of informed consent process did you undertake?
Yes, on a personal basis, my experience trumps yours. But that’s irrelevant, it’s the collective experience which is important, since individual anecdotal experience is prone to considerable variation.
What you are saying is that the attention of pharma goes further afield seeking any illness it might make a vaccine for, and then rubber stamping it into law.
Pertussis had evolved to become a much milder disease by the time a vaccine for it was developed, so that there have always been more deaths caused by the vaccine than the disease since that time.
Polio usually didn’t kill, crippled more often. It was a terrible disease in those cases, which, however, were always outnumbered by mild and subclinical cases. The vaccines were a godsend. Job well done. Their mission is accomplished, the vaccine no longer necessary outside the Third World, or even Afghan/ Pakistan.
The only important thing now is that autism, allergic, autoimmune, and neurological disease are extremely common and absolutely devastating our children and our society. Exponentially more so than any of the vpds. Parents should remain free to choose vaccines if they want them, but they’d better get used to hearing Autism? Wrll, what did you expect, giving him the…!
Diphtheria was vanishingly rare in 1960, having been vanquished by the vaccine. I support three doses of DT after three years old.
You didn’t mention the millions of children and under 35s who can’t tell you about their travails from autism because the hallmark of autism continues to be very limited or absent speech. Because autism is caused by a vaccine reaction which causes stroke-like damage to the language and social center of the brain. You may be familiar with how strokes often rob people of the ability to speak?
limited or absent speech is not a hallmark of autism, for one thing.
There are more high functioning very verbal and articulate people with an autism diagnosis than ones without speech.
Secondly there is zero evidence that "autism is caused by a vaccine reaction". This has been shown conclusively but people like you are so close minded about this you cannot believe it.
But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease, according to school officials. In fact, all 90 people who have recently come down with pertussis — the official name for whooping cough — in Los Angeles County this year had been immunized against it, according to county officials.
Eighteen students there have not been vaccinated against pertussis, but none of them has caught the illness, school spokesman Ari Engelberg said.
Most of that mortality was because of secondary complications such as pneumonia, or underlying malnutrition. In that case, according to antivax folklore, you cannot blame measles for the death. That would mean your speculation that 95% of the deaths were "measles" is incorrect.
But it diesn't matter if 95% of the deathreduction was prevaccine or not. Facts are then that vaccines were responsible for the remaining 5% reduction in deaths, bringing the numbers down from 500-1000 each year down to effectively zero. Quite an acheivement.
"Happily, this era is ending. New and potent tools that promise effective control of measles are at hand. If properly developed and widely used ..."
Deceitful "anti-vaxxer," like Australia's Elizabeth Hart, argues against MMR using an optimistic 1962 opinion piece about in-development measles vaccine - because it contains a graph she likes - even though it argues against her point.
From before any measles vaccines had actually reached market.
Another one of the charming pseudonyms who are acolytes of Paul Offit…he must be so proud to be associated with people so staunch in their convictions, they attack others while hiding behind anonymity…
As for your reference to “remunerative grift” - you are wrong, I don’t seek payment for my work questioning taxpayer-funded vaccination policy.
Langmuir ended his article by saying that we didn’t really need a measles vaccine, but it was a challenge comparable to scaling Mount Everest, because it’s there!
He had also observed in his article that the common cold was a greater health concern than measles.
A measles patient would only be delirious if he had measles encephalitis. Dr. Mikaela Glöckler observed that based on the experience of herself and her colleagues, measles encephalitis only occurred in one in 10,000 cases of measles, and in one of 20,000 toddlers, causing death in one-fifth of these cases, and permanent disability in another fifth. She said the increase was caused by the routine use of antipyretics like Tylenol and Ibuprofen. They should not be given. The immune system knows how high to make the fever, and how long to hold it there.
“Dr. Mikaela Glöckler observed that based on the experience of herself and her colleagues, measles encephalitis only occurred in one in 10,000 cases of measles.”
As I’ve pointed out before to you…
1. Dr Glocker changed her advice in later editions of her book, and recommended that measles vaccine should be given, since encephalitis was more disabling and more common than she previously thought.
2. Her previous personal anecdotal observations of an encephalitis rate of one in 10,000 was reliant on what? To come to any reliably confident estimation based only on personal observation from her medical practice, she would need to have seen at least 100,000 cases of measles to see just 10 cases of encephalitis and establish a plausible baseline rate. DO YOU THINK SHE SAW 100,000 CASES OF MEASLES? …on your bike, you liar!!!
She said based on the experience of herself and her colleagues.
Why do you think she would change what she confidently and definitively said in the 2003 edition of her book? Gee, maybe Pharma threatened to wakefield her if she didn’t recant, as they have done to so many?
Measles encephalitis is very serious when it occurs, as it can after any viral disease. But it still has a favorable prognosis. Giving antipyretics greatly increases its frequency. How curious that most doctors still routinely recommed them.
He said if we can we may as well because the understanding was that the vaccine had no down side, there would be no injuries and that it would mimic natural infection being a one and done shot with life long immunity, that didn’t work out.
I agree that he probably had no idea how the measles vaccine would wreck the world. But the diphtheria and pertussis vaccines had proven to often be extremely disabling or even fatal from the time they were introduced in the twenties and thirties. He might have thought that the measles vaccine might work out to be just as dangerous, and it did. And he also didn’t consider the myriad benefits of having natural measles.
it was very common because measles and most childhood illnesses remain a joke to healthy children in developed countries with functional sanitation and water treatment. Thats why parents routinely took their kids in the 50s and 60s to measles mumps and chicken pox parties
it must be killing you inside - knowing that you are the reason your son has autism. it was your decision to get him vaccinated after all. you want it to be something other than that decision to allay your guilty conscience
its apparent then why you would be against RFKjr pushing resources into getting to the bottom of this. its the truth.
this dude poisoned his kid by getting him vaccinated. knows it deep inside but wants to blame the one guy who is willing to pony up resources to conduct a true test (not like the tests the NIH did in the past where they looked at everything BUT vaccines) the one consolation is that his autistic son has rendered him a genetic dead end. a full end to his bloodline. developmentally challenged kids and adults can barely take care of themselves let alone a family. so his blood line is caput
thats whats kiling him inside. but instead of properly blaming himself (and his ignorance when he made the decision) then helping others to avoid his mistake - he wants to channel it outside and theres is kharma for that
Compassionate, educated, empathetic, trustworthy. We can all learn from him.
it must be killing you inside - knowing that you are the reason your son has autism. it was your decision to get him vaccinated after all. you want it to be something other than that decision to allay your guilty conscience
its apparent then why you would be against RFKjr pushing resources into getting to the bottom of this. its the truth.
this dude poisoned his kid by getting him vaccinated. knows it deep inside but wants to blame the one guy who is willing to pony up resources to conduct a true test (not like the tests the NIH did in the past where they looked at everything BUT vaccines) the one consolation is that his autistic son has rendered him a genetic dead end. a full end to his bloodline. developmentally challenged kids and adults can barely take care of themselves let alone a family. so his blood line is caput
thats whats kiling him inside. but instead of properly blaming himself (and his ignorance when he made the decision) then helping others to avoid his mistake - he wants to channel it outside and theres is kharma for that
Compassionate, educated, empathetic, trustworthy. We can all learn from him.
Fiona Lynch was arrested again after another spree of assaults on homeless children, involving the use of flammable liquids and explicit threats of immolation. She derives sexual gratification from the victims’ fear, suggesting scoptophilia and likely sexual sadism. Often calm and methodical during the attacks, she displays marked emotional detachment and antisocial traits. Psychiatric assessment pointed to co-morbid Pedophilic Disorder, Antisocial Personality Disorder and other specified paraphilic disorders, complicating both risk assessment and treatment planning.
Your comment is defamatory and I have no idea why you would post such an offensive and untrue comment. Clearly you have the wrong person. ie the wrong Fiona Lynch. I suggest you remove this comment immediately.
I am not ‘trying to set you up,’ as you state. I am simply conveying that you have posted a defamatory statement about someone who is not me. What you have done is a very serious matter.
I suggest you reflect on that and the consequences, admit your error, apologise and be more careful next time that you disagree with someone’s opinion about MMR vaccines.
I am not sure what motivates someone to lie on a public post to the degree that you have, but the author of the substack must realise this type of behaviour could have ramifications for him, if he allows such incredulous comments to remain posted.
Utter nonsense. I had measles as a child, only a mild vaccine breakthrough infection, and yet it destroyed my immune system for years. I endured successive infections and ultimately contracted a case of severe strep throat that nearly hospitalized me at the age of 12.
My mother, aunt and father had measles, and ALL had heart disease. My dad was felled by a stroke at the age of 67. My mom and aunt both developed cancer as well.
There is not a shred of evidence to show that measles gives any protection against heart disease or cancer and only abundant evidence showing that measles attacks and weakens the immune system, resulting in immune amnesia.
you are correct the other stats are worth noting, however 4 measles death/year is when there is no outbreak and vaccinations have been received. As an aside, snark is not necessary for civil discourse and sharing information.
Thank you so much, Dr. Offit, for continuing to spread awareness and factual data based science. I’m really sorry you’re getting trolled. This country is terrifying. These antivax comments are shocking. The education system has failed us. Hate and misinformation is winning and children are dying because of it.
Sir you are sharing unserious memes blaming vitamin deficiencies for communicable diseases that we’ve had vaccines for…for decades. On a post from an MD who specializes in communicable illnesses and vaccines. He wants children and other humans to not die. He’s not driven by corporate greed or lust for power, he just doesn’t want needless suffering and death caused by ignorance and mis/disinformation.
Have you no discernment?
I weep for the way the education system in this country has failed us all.
You have been trolled by a true jamoke. Ask him to explain his "charts and graphs," which I have done many times, and you will receive total silence. Nevertheless, I encourage him to continue to post them simply because, by having "inherited" them them from a previous jamoke, he has already boarded the train to be banned. It's only time before he joins the ranks of the ant-vaxxer martyrs...
Many among us who are old enough have survived measles. Those who have not rarely write blogs. The reason why so many think that it is a harmless disease is because the relative mortality is low - they have not seen somebody die from it. However, every death from measles is one too many as the disease is entirely vaccine preventable. Collectively, the numbers of dead children are high - in the US around 400 to 500 children died of measles before the introduction of the vaccine. The reason why the choice to vaccinate is not a only a personal decision is because measles is highly contagious and if your child or yourself are not vaccinated you will transmit measles to others (some of whom cannot be protected because they are immunocompromised). Individual protection and societal protection are both important. That is also the reason why a measles epidemic like the current one should not simply be left to expand and kill more and more children.
But the MMR, hep-B, DTaP, and flu vaccines DO often cause autism. The autism rate in California increased a lot after personal exemptions to the vaccine requirement for school were removed in 2015. Now in one in 20 children in California, one in 12 boys.
So every parent must make a choice regarding this and all other vaccines offered. Measles, which is very rarely dangerous, especially with A, no fever reducers, and isolation in bed for the entire illness plus two to six weeks quiet at home after the end of the fever, and which confers many benefits, or autism, bowel disease, etc. My daughter has autism caused by vaccine encephalitis, and I cannot briefly convey the tragedy and horror of the stroke-like brain damage of autism. No parent would make a choice which might cause this. Which means that parents must learn how to care for children with this and other childhood diseases. I’d recommend three doses of the DT series after three. That’s all. Learn the symptoms of meningitis etc. which require conventional medical attention as quickly as possible. Consider nosodes.
1. Court cases in matters of science do not prove facts. Didn’t Alabama once legislate that pi was equal to three?
2. The Hannah Poling case did not establish proof, even in legal terms. She had a genetic mitochondrial enzyme defect, characterised by regression into encephalopathy, with successive triggers for neurological damage resulting from oxidative stress (of which vaccines may be one).
As Offit himself explained:
“features reminiscent of autism are evident in all children with profound impairments in cognition; but these similarities are superficial, and their causal mechanisms and genetic influences are different from those of classic autism.”
>he reason why the choice to vaccinate is not a only a personal decision is because measles is highly contagious and if your child or yourself are not vaccinated you will transmit measles to others (some of whom cannot be protected because they are immunocompromised)
So the vaccine only works when EVERYONE is vaccinated. if there are people who can opt out - then ANYone should opt out. This is the same tired b.s we were fed (i never fell for) during the Covid years. Vaccine only works when everyone is vaccinated. Its a clever way to reduce the control group and thus hide adverse reactions from bells palsy to myocarditis, from facial paralysis to death
Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway
I STRONGLY encourage you to continue to flood the zone with bullshit because, if you recall, this is exactly how your hero rombios got banned. In fact, get angry, call people names, you know, your usual MO. Expedite the process so you can receive your anti-vaxxer martyr's crown. Oorah, 'bro. History shall be yours. Or, you could just GO HOME.
In the 60s they didn't diagnose "measles" according to "vaccine" status. There is no data to compare with the 1960s. The thing that is transmitted is the 'vaccine' status used to discriminate in the diagnostics. The reason why refusing poison injections is not just a personal choice is because failing to do so is illegal and could cause harm to other children due to helping prop up a terrorist network.
Dr. Offit has achieved near Fauci-level villany He's the subject of numerous unhinged Substack, FB, etc. screeds against vaccination, big pharma, the "medical industrial complex," "experts," etc.
Check out the hateful comments (but don't, because they don't deserve more traffic) - Bollingers with over 1.2-million subscribers.
That guy has 1.1-million subscribers. He's not a startup. He he and his wife were "wellness" grifters before substack. But, yes. Substack has really enabled and facilitated predators and outrage farmers.
I suggest you are the one grossly misinforming the public, Paul Offit, fear-mongering about what was once regarded as a self-limiting illness in childhood.
Of course, who knows what damage has been done now to generations of children impacted by the unnatural measles, mumps, rubella MMR intervention.
By way of personal anecdote, I'm a measles survivor...
My mother recalled me having measles around 18 months of age (this was in London in 1961, and is unlikely to have been laboratory verified.)
She was a young mother, only 19 years old and I was her first child. She was shocked to see her baby covered in spots and called the doctor to the house. My mother recalls the doctor said I had measles, but told her not to worry, they would just run their course (a rather more benign message than we receive nowadays...)
My mother said the spots lasted about ten days and I did not seem to be too adversely affected. She said "it did not put you off your food in any way" and "you used to sleep right through the night from 10.00 pm to 6.00 am".
In 2012 I had serological testing to check my immunity for measles, mumps and rubella. According to these tests I understand I'm protected.
It seems I have natural immunity to measles due to having this disease as a child. Somehow I must have had exposure to mumps too, but I don't recall having obvious symptoms of this disease. It's likely I had rubella vaccination as a girl, but I also question this intervention.
The mind boggles at the amount of vaccine interventions now foisted upon people via the ever-increasing 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule, which is steeped in conflicts of interest.
Thank you, Dr. Offit. Wonder why all the negative posters say nothing about the dead children. Nor the fact that it has been years and years since any children have died from measles.
Sweden tried the natural immunity route regarding COVID and failed.
Mike S, you are a retired NHS infectious diseases specialist - do you have a medical degree?
What is your understanding of vaccinators' obligation to obtain valid voluntary informed consent for vaccination? How does this sit with vaccination mandates?
If refusal to submit to vaccination results in a penalty, e.g. loss of livelihood or access to public schooling, that’s pressure, coercion and manipulation.
Vaccinators have a moral, ethical and legal obligation to obtain valid voluntary informed consent for vaccination, and must not collaborate with pressure, coercion, manipulation or mandates.
In relation to Jacobson v. Massachusetts, see: Jacobson v. Massachusetts...and the obligation for valid consent for vaccination...
Wrong as I and others who understand the pathophysiology of measles...if they did not contract measle's they would not have died from the subsequent 2nd complications...FACT
If the parents had lived in a different Mennonite community, their children would not have gotten measles. If they had isolated Kaley from the time of her first symptoms of measles, she would not have developed mycoplasma pneumonia. If they had not kept all five measles children in the same bed, she would not have developed as severe a case. If they had given her A, she probably would not have died. If they had ignored the doctor and not hiven her Tylenol, she probably would not have died. If she had been tested to identify the cause of her pneumonia as soon as she was hospitalized on Feb 22, they would have identified mycoplasma, and if there had been any competent doctors on hand, they would have treated her with azith and she would not have died.
If she had gotten the MMR, she would not have gotten measles, but she would very likely have developed autism and bowel disease from it.
The buck stops at the incompetent doctors who gave harmful advice and fatal medication.
This fv<king animal is blaming the doctors who tried to save the lives of these children instead of arseholes like itself who spread the lies that led to the measles outbreak.
And the nurses and pharmacists and respiratory techs and patient care techs and radiology techs.
It couldn't have been the actual disease that we know these children had, and that occasionally results in critical illness, and even death, as we have known forever. It couldn't have been from measles virus, first isolated in 1954.
We disagree on that, and I’ve explained at length already why your view is incorrect.
I hope cases come to court soon, and that the hospital’s expense claims are massive, since it will be the plaintiffs and their lawyers who will need to pay for those once they lose their claims of negligence. But no doubt when landed with the bill, they will contrive some go fund me appeal to pay for it, and the only winners will be the hospital, and the lawyers on both sides.
I also hope that they come to court soon. We shall see. If you are the original M, you may recall that when it was first announced that a sample had tested positive for mycoplasma after several days in the hospital (why didn’t they test to identify what she had immediately?), that it was imperative to give her azith or a macrolid immediately. She died because they did not. You were right that it was imperative. Yet they did not identify her infection in a timely manner, and did not give her cheap, ubiquitous azithromycin for eleven hours after the identification was made. She died as a result. Most people would say that was negligent. I understand that, for reasons of your own, you do not.
You said at the time that mycoplasma was a rare infection. I have since read, in connection with this case, that it was a common cause of community-acquired pneumonia. I’ll look it up.
As you know, I said that the diagnostic test for mycoplasma (BAL) could not have been requested, sampled and sent to the lab until Kayley had been intubated and established on a ventilator, and had her respiratory parameters stabilised.
This happened in the late evening, meaning a sample is unlikely to have even been sent before 10pm, more likely midnight.
The mycoplasma results would only have been available after 6 or 7 am the next morning.
She was initiated on IV azithromycin at 9 am.
Hardly any significant delay then.
Mycoplasma is rarely a serious, life threatening pneumonia. It is seldom fatal, and antibiotics do not seem to have a major posit impact. It was called “walking pneumonia” because it was so seldom serious (or even recognised).
She was admitted to the hospital a little after noon on Feb 22. They could and should have taken a sputum sample at that time and sent it to the lab. Instead, they assumed with no basis that she had a hospital-acquired infection, when she had been at home, not a hospital setting, and had a community-acquired mycoplasma infection. They treated her with ceftriaxone (which was OK) and vancomycin, which was wrong, since she did not have a hospital-acquired infection. She needed cheap azithro, which packs every pharmacy in the world. But since they did not test to identify the pathogen until the day before she died, they gave her a useless treatment. Azithro and macrolides treat microplasma, but vancomycin does nothing at all because microplasma lacks cell walls.
We saw with Covid that intubation nearly always killed patients.
Competent doctors would have tested her immediately upon admission on Feb 22. Instead, the pathogen was not identified until late in the afternoon on Feb 24, more than two days after she was admitted to hospital. Microplasma was identified that evening, but despite its ready availability, it was not administered to her until ten in the morning on Feb 25. She died a little before seven am on Feb 26.
The correct antibiotic should have taken precedence over the usually-fatal intubation.
I reread Pierre Kory’s article on their cases yesterday, the half on Daisy’s case twice, trying to grasp it and store it in my mind, more complicated than Kayley’s case, though equally careless. Both girls killed by medical incompetence which boggles the mind. I laughed at the end when he said that parents of sick children should move entirely out of that area to search for a facility offering minimally competent medical care. We have already fallen to Third World status is every area, and felled by our own hand. Maybe from the dearth of sound minds caused by…
So it’s being claimed. Of course, from the online community that supports this type of nonsense claims it is so and they offer up what should have been done, which is mostly more supplements and other voodoo. So sue the doctors and see who wins. The hospital itself my spit up a little hush money, which would be cheaper in the long run, then all the fraudsters can claim ‘victory.’
It is a slanderous lie. I tried to report it, but the usual way of doing so by clicking the three dots on the right was disabled. I don’t think Dr. Offit would permit something so ugly on his site, if he were aware of it. It also occurred to me that it might be by one of the usual sh-lls using a new ugly nym to give free rein to his psychopathic fantasies. No decent person would read past the second filthy line.
In 2020 they rebranded the 'flu. This is why 'flu almost disappeared from the statistics to be replaced by COVID 19. I guess you missed the big clue, so many do.
So you missed the big clue then, Sel? Big pharma rebrand the 'flu every so often when profits are falling. It is a classic business technique to fool the gullible.
Anyway, never mind, all being well you have had all the COVID 19 vaccines which will make big pharma happy. :)
'Sweden' were involved in the "covid" atrocity having spread "virus" propaganda to generate nocebo effect with fewer 'measures' to counteract it with placebo effect.
However, not a good criticism. They survived out of how many in similar circumstances?
In 1960, three to four million American children a year got measles. 450 died. I read ten years ago that over a thousand suffered some kind of physical disability, but I’d have to look for it to be sure. But NEARLY the entire three and a half million recovered with no sequelae. Of those who did not, you need to distinguish those appropriately isolated in bed the entire time, including two to six weeks quiet at home after the fever, who took vitamin A at the appropriate dosage, and who took no antipyretics.
The important question is how many previously healthy children (or include adults) died or were disabled when they both had measles AND followed the care guidelines. You know the answer would be vanishingly few.
What could be the reason that families in Lubbock were given exactly the wrong advice? I put up a link to an article in a Lubbock newspaper which said to NOT give vitamin A to measles patients. To GIVE them Tylenol, and Kaylee’s family heard and did so. And Aaby did a study which you would think doctors would be familiar with, which found that the number one determinant of measles mortality was having more than one measles patient in the room, as it intensified the viral load in the room. I doubt any doctor told Kaylee’s family of that. And so they had all five of their children, all with or coming down with measles, sleep in the same bed.
I don’t know, either really really st- and completely ignorant of measles, or even possibly thinking of outcomes they could use to manipulate parents into giving their children the MMR.
Point is, vaccination would have prevented these deaths. You don’t get to ignore that fact by complaining some kids had different management…and management that doesn’t really have any impact on outcome.
It’s like you saying people don’t need to wear seat belts, because you imagine that serious traumatic injuries might do better if they received ice cold compression packs in the ambulance, …and you invent a narrative that has you wondering if deaths were due to paramedics failing to use compress packs.
The issue is wearing the seatbelt, Cia. That’s the thing which prevented the trauma.
I understood his point. Everything in life is a series of choices and events. If any one of them were different, it changes apparently unrelated events further down the line. If the nurse who gave C the hep-B vaccine at midnight on the day she was born had hesitated and thought Maybe I should ask her mom if she wants me to give this to her? Maybe I should ask Dr. Boudreau? Then C’s entire life would have been different, autism-free, she would have been someone I cannot even imagine, she would have finished college, probably be married and have had a baby.
When I was a child, I loved the verse(?) And all for the want of a horseshoe nail. For want of a nail the horse was lost, for want of a horse, the rider was lost, For want of a rider the battle was lost, etc.
If the parents didn’t want to risk autism, they should not have gotten her the MMR, and they didn’t. Their other four children got and breezed through measles. Kaylee was over measles, but yes, had a pneumonia contracted because measles had depressed her immune system. There are many points at which, if different decisions and choices had been made, she would not have died. But it is not the case that all children should get the MMR. I don’t know how often it causes autism. The result of one in between twenty and thirty-one children having autism in many cases is from one or more vaccines other than the MMR. But the MMR often causes autism by itself. You’d have to somehow say how many cases of autism one measles death is equivalent to. I would submit that many would say that one case of autism is more to be prevented than one hundred measles deaths.
You can see the handwriting on the wall. You know what’s coming.
The MMR causes autism manifold times more often than it prevents a measles death. In developed countries. So you need to say what your proposed solution is to what to
I know that measles is often intense, but manageable with common sense measures. And that it is very beneficial in the long run.
I understand that you treated many children in Africa with measles. Measles in Africa is often hemorrhagic, fatal in about 10% of cases rather than the one in 10,000 in the US in 1960. I know that Somali father Abdulkadir Khalef, whose son reacted to the MMR with autism, but whose other children had recovered from measles in Somalia, said he thought it was preferable for children to go through natural measles, even die from it, than get autism from the vaccine.
That is the conversation we’re having. When C was born in 2000, the autism rate was one in 180. In 1980, it was one in 10,000. Now it’s one in 20 in California and in some other places. One in 12 boys. One in 31 in the US is one I saw earlier today, but based on 2022 figures, so it may well have skyrocketed to one in 20 in the last three years.
I dont think people not directly affected have any idea what that means. I am dealing with what it means now, and can’t say any more about it because my anxiety level is so high. It is NOT all taken care of and under control by competent authorities. There will be few employed tax payers and no one to provide the most basic care to the millions of autistic children and young people here now. There aren’t enough now as it is. The important question at this time is how to staunch the explosion of autism. And the first thing to do is to greatly reduce or refuse vaccines.
Honestly, you people are the meanest, most degenerate personalities. What a truly disgusting thing to say to another human being. What is it about you that your pathology concerning your addiction to vaccines is always personal and never rational? And you claim to be a physician????
Perhaps you oh should remove the plank from your own eye first. AP may be callous for suggesting she should have died rather than one of the recent measles victims, but someone who dismisses the deaths of 450 kids in the US each year and who actively campaigns to see this death toll is reinstated is hardly positing from the higher moral ground here.
Vaccination, just like any other medical intervention, is the individual's choice. You know, there's something to be said for a strong immune system to either stop illness in its tracks or give you an easy recovery. Not everyone is equally vulnerable to dying from an infectious disease which is why it was wrong to lockdown all of us during covid and why forcing everyone into a covid vaccine was just stupid and unnecessary.
Mike, you seem to have missed the memo about COVID. In 2020 they rebranded the 'flu. This is why 'flu almost disappeared from the statistics to be replaced by COVID 19. I guess you missed the big clue, so many do.
Having natural measles, mumps, chickenpox, and other febrile diseases in childhood, prevents many serious diseases in later life. Each febrile disease (with no fever reducers) before ten reduces cancer in later life by 20%, up to a maximum of 80%, with the exception of breast cancer. Measles is the most effective at preventing cancer. Mumps prevents ovarian cancer. Chickenpox prevents glioma, a brain cancer. So you also have to look at the millions a year who die of cancer and calculate how many of them would not have died if they had had the natural diseases as children.
They also protect to some degree against heart disease. We need more information in order to do meaningful calculations. To me, it’s easy. Autism etc if you vax. Protection from cancer and heart disease if you get the natural diseases. Ability to protect infants from measles in their first year if the mother has had natural measles. Dramatic reduction in SSPE for those infants.
Let’s say that 450 deaths out of four million cases is the default if not many take aspirin or Tylenol. Though also true that children are much less healthy now than they were in 1960. Say 400 out of four million. 40,000 would be one percent. 4,000 one-tenth of one percent. 400 one-one hundredth of one percent was the measles mortality rate in the US in 1960. Not dangerous.
Half of those who died were malnourished or immunocompromised. It is necessary to learn how many of the other half failed to take the obvious precautions. Then go from there.
Your standards are lower than I had imagined. All I need to know about your heart is your hatred which quite literally makes you insane and devours your ability to control yourself. SMH
And you claim to be a pediatrician? No pediatrician with any self respect talks like that to anyone. Of course, maybe you’re lying since all you are capable of saying is “f… off.” Brilliant, positively brilliant. Bad grades in med school, eh?
Another anonymous physician here. I heartily concur - because regulars compelled to provocatively spread defamatory misinformation and lies are malignant, like cancer.
“because no pediatrician with any self respect talks like that to ..”
Right. They hold it in - for years. You've had this freaky vaccine obsession for 15 years.. Or longer? What set you off?
Hardly the type of statement a doctor should publish on line. Is that in keeping with the Hippocratic Oath? No wonder you use an ‘anonymous.’ The woman posted her experience and the attitude at the time when people took responsibility for childhood illnesses, but consulted with their doctor if needed.
In today’s World of poor nutrition, fast foods, inactivity, low Vitamin D levels and lack of parental knowledge or experience, which includes safe fever management and hydration requirements, and home nursing skills, this can contribute to avoidable hospitalisations and complications with measles.
This happens in developed countries such as the USA, where the role that nutrition plays in supporting immune pathways, innate and adaptive has not been discussed openly or used as an adjunct to vaccinations, or as an option, or where risks of the MMR (attenuated but still live) vaccine are known, but seldom disclosed.
Elizabeth’s testimony ought not to be denigrated or dismissed. Primary vaccine failure is also not discussed, nor are children or adults screened for genetic mutations, prior to vaccines, which can and do place them at an increased risk. Poland would not disagree with this. Doctors are advised not to prescribe certain oral medications, where Mitichondrial Disorders are known in their patients.How many people are undiagnosed? Can components of a vaccine act as an epigenetic or exogenous trigger, resulting in an avoidable adverse outcome or death? Why is it ok to acknowledge oral medications and genetic risks if a SNP or other issue is known and to find an alternative or option, but not when a vaccine is in question?
Surely these are valid aspects to informed consent?
I am reminded of a friend’s 18 month old who was meeting his milestones, healthy and well on the day he received his MMR injection. That was in the morning;he was deceased in the afternoon that same day.
Spare a thought for these folk who did as they were told and were left with no reason for their tremendous and unexpected loss, probably labelled ‘antivaxxers,’ if they chose to delay or to decline further MMR injections, for their subsequent children.
Also, as you describe yourself as a physician, albeit anonymous, can you please advise what procedure you follow to obtain valid voluntary informed consent from individuals/guardians before vaccination?
I presume this must be a tricky process given the widespread vaccination mandates in the US...
Firstly, why is an individual or guardian of a child in a clinic for vaccination?
What is the illness/disease threat recommended to be vaccinated against, what is the quality of information supporting this intervention?
Is the vaccinator a specialist in this area including in the vaccine products? Are they properly explaining the situation to the individual or guardian of a child so they can make a voluntary informed decision on the intervention?
How can someone make an authentic 'voluntary' informed decision on a vaccination intervention when a vaccination mandate is in place, i.e. there are penalties for non-compliance?
I'm sure you have the lies ready to misinform this parent so as to push her in the direction of refusal. You will never know how many children of the parents that that you have lied to that you have killed with your disgusting and deceitful "misinformed refusal" tactic.
What is the illness/disease threat recommended to be vaccinated against, what is the quality of information supporting this intervention?
Is the vaccinator a specialist in this area including in the vaccine products? Are they properly explaining the situation to the individual or guardian of a child so they can make a voluntary informed decision on the intervention?
How can someone make an authentic 'voluntary' informed decision on a vaccination intervention when a vaccination mandate is in place, i.e. there are penalties for non-compliance?
Robert Malone is so bad he has been dropped even by his fellow antivaxxers. He is like a spoiled child who didn't get his way. There is no evidence that he had access to the medical files, and you are a gullible fool who would believe anything anyone says with enough brazen unearned pretense of confidence. I will send a con man your way and see how you get on.
Look it up. They were both over measles. Kaylee had a community-acquired mycoplasma infection which should have been lab-typed and treated with azithromycin right away, but instead was treated with an antibiotic suited only for a hospital-acquired infection, which she did not have. The two antibiotics given do not treat a mycoplasma infection. She died as a result of not having been given the right antibiotic until days after she was hospitalized, and only hours before her death.
The real question here is how to guard against incompetent doctors. Possibly even …?
Measles is STILL a “self limiting” disease of childhood…kids get better, but sometimes don’t, and die.
And in some measles is NOT self limiting… it causes SSPE, a particularly horrific, slow burn encephalitis which invariably kills the child, sometimes as long as 10 or even 20 years later.
SSPE was so rare until 1970, that there was no registry to keep count of it until then. I think it’s suspicious that it’s caused by a defective version of the measles virus which is never cleared. Maybe one designed to persist, escaped from the live measles vaccine, first introduced in 1968. And then for the first time, they started counting cases of SSPE.
SSPE usually occurs in children who contracted measles in their first year. In the days when 99% of mothers had had natural measles, babies did not get measles then, getting their mothers’ antibodies from placental immunity and breadtfeeding, Now few mothers ever had natural measles and so cannot protect their infants. I’m glad that I had measles at six and was able to protect mine. I regret not having protected her from crazed doctors.
The problem with SSPE recognition/diagnostics was that with all these teens/young adults suffering weird encephalitic disease, there was nothing to make doctors imagine it could be linked to their measles 10 years before, from which they recovered.
But with advances in diagnostics for neurological diseases and the use of specific diagnostic tests, including PCR and typing, it became clear that cases were CAUSED by prior measles infection.
Ok?
A bit like Pluto. Until 1930, nobody knew it existed. But I’m pretty sure it was there all along. 😉
What causes the measles virus which they get to be defective and to persist for many years? I think it is similar to the live oral polio virus sometimes mutating and causing paralytic polio. The live measles vaccine virus, around since 1968, sometimes escapes into the environment and, when it causes measles infection, it is never overcome by the immune system, but lingers and eventually kills. Having been designed to persist for life. No vaccine, no problem. Women who can protect their babies protect them from getting measles in that first year, including the aberrant vaccine virus strain which initiates SSPE.
Thank you for gathering all of the information into a coherent timeline. I am praying that measles does not become endemic in the U.S. As a family physician for 36 years, I never thought this sad day would come.
RFK Jr doesn’t believe in the germ theory. That is why he isn’t bothered by measles. He should be held criminally liable for all deaths from diseases preventable by vaccines.
Maybe a couple of his own family members should have to suffer through them,and let him see up close and personal what they really are and what they can really do,even months after the fact!
He needs to see someone he cares about, actually go through this!!Saying it's okay for someone else's kids to go through this is abstract and won't affect him.But let's see how he feels when they're one of his own.
The only thing that bothers Kennedy is he hasn't been able to sue vaccine makers for the billions he thinks he deserves for his 20+ years of making shit up about vaccines.
Thank you for your persistence in this area. I can not imagine that anyone with any sense would not want their child vaccinated. RFK’s” advice” and “ “guidance” is as harmful and irresponsible as swinging a loaded gun around in a crowd…
I'm almost as old as RFK Jr. I never got vaccinated since there was no vaccine. We were told that getting measles as early as possible was the best way to go. Apparently, JKF Jr never left that view. I've vaccinated all my children with as many shots that's been recommended and I'm refreshing my Covid shot every year. Science, something Trump and his cronies hates, has given us relief from the pain a grave infection is.
I still remember the pain I was in 60 years ago when I had measles. Why would I want that for my children and grandchildren?
Max 700 deaths out of 3,5 million cases a year. What is that, two deaths in 10,000 cases? And did those who died take A, no fever reducers, and isolate with total bed rest?
... I’m not convinced that MMR and autism is insignificant in the US, especially since the arrogant self-publicist that is Wakefield set up his fiefdom there. I happened to write a review on Amazon.com giving my succinct opinion of the ‘children’s’ book Melanie’s Marvelous Measles.. it comes up as the most helpful review. I have been stalked by the antivax crew, in particular one Cia Parker, who thinks vaccinations cause all ills, Wakefield is a demi-god, and that MMR not only causes autism (which in her world did not exist before vaccinations) but maims and kills more than it saves. It was bait of an eye-opener on the American viewpoint, and a rather scary one."
There were about 700 deaths each year from measles in the 50s. The rate was pretty constant, and not declining significantly.
vaccines reduced that rate to under 10 per year, and to zero in many years.
So, even using your head (so I don't have to get out my crayons again to show it to you), you can see that over the last 60 years that number would amount to 700 x 60, which is 28,000.
Dr. Offit, thank you for continuing to present the factual reality of the consequences of misinformation.
I can only imagine the sadness, likely anger , you may feel for children dying needless in the USA.
I don't believe RFK Jr will ever admit his lack of understanding of factual science...if he did that would subject him to liability.
DJT is the ring-leader of a growing band of sycophants who clearly share a similar selfish mindset.
It's regrettable the comments to follow will include the same vitriol, vulgar vocabulary that challenges your factual information.
Thank you once again for being a voice of truth when those occupying the 'bully pulpit' in Washington cannot speak the truth & state unequivocally what is truly in the best interest (medically) for the American people.
History will record this time in America as a sad chapter that need not have occurred.
JJF Phm 🇨🇦
Left unsaid is that Offit profits from his vaccine included in the childhood vaccination program. Sits on a MERCK appointed chair at CHOP. ANd stands to lose millions in stocks from pharmaceutical investments when the truth comes out
Every time he posts one of these - one or more of you sycophants come out with
>Dr. Offit, thank you for continuing to present the factual reality of the consequences of misinformation.
He must be paying yall
and you come out with all this “stands to lose millions” crap.
Ask him to post his stock portfolio or his IRS returns
Who’s supporting you?
ANGER. RAGE
at the lies of the pharmaceutical industry over the expanse of my lifetime. at their minions in the media both main stream and social (the facebook, youtube, IGs of the world) who manipulate, cover up, cancel, censor, deplatform any truth about the lack of safety and efficacy of vaccines.
this is what led to my vaccine injured child - so this is a quiet PERSONAL battle am waging
Stomp your feet and soil yourself more appropriately somewhere else. You have presented NOTHING to support your assorted claims of coverups, manipulations, lack of safety, or lack of efficacy besides a compulsive and offensive plastering of meaningless "charts & graphs" that make you look foolish. Anyone who could have assisted you - out of the chute - you scorned, ridiculed, mocked, and offended like a child. And now you are isolated, backed into a corner, and it is of your own doing. How you haven't been banned at this point by Dr. Offit is beyond my understanding based on what you've said about him alone. Perhaps make your PERSONAL battle something other than being a complete asshole and see what can happen.
I like your clever use of the word "vaccine" to refer to your own penis.
"Ask him to post his stock portfolio or his IRS returns"
Relevance?
https://hapi.georgetown.edu/news/peer-reviewers-made-1-billion-in-3-years-dr-fugh-berman-featured-in-medpage-today-on-medical-journal-financial-conflicts/
https://www.medpagetoday.com/special-reports/features/112338
https://www.statnews.com/pharmalot/2024/10/10/conflicts-medical-journals-money-drugs-devices/
Great thing about science (and reality) is that it doesn't care one whit who a person works for. Dr. Offit's income is irrelevant. One either pays attention to the evidence or chooses to ignore it and make up stories in their head.
Thankfully, Dr. Offit is communicating facts and scientific evidence. He could be a little green man from Mars and that would change the fact that he's right.
It is what it is.
Problem with your statement is that we have already established that Offit is a liar. The issue is what informs that lie and why he persists against evidence to the contrary.
This is where the conflict of interest matters.
For example, decades ago many peer reviewed studies hailed Vioxx and Phenfen as safe and effective drugs.
It took many deaths and millions of court judgement to recall those drugs.
Which begs the question (since science doesn't change) how did these drugs pass RCTs and peer review?
Conflicts of interest. Peer review "scientists" will vote in accordance with whoever is funding them
Offit will vote to support his vaccines position on the CDC schedule and his stock options in Merck and other pharmaceutical giants
Thats why it matters
1) https://pubs.aip.org/physicstoday/online/11674/Wall-Street-Journal-op-ed-Corruption-of-peer
2) https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/
3) https://www.zerohedge.com/medical/new-peer-review-why-unbiased-science-now-often-misleading
4) https://www.pacificresearch.org/the-corruption-of-peer-review-is-harming-scientific-credibility/
5) https://www.theguardian.com/science/2011/sep/05/publish-perish-peer-review-science
. Offit voted to
Offit has been one of the first to recommend targeting just high risk groups which if implemented would have cost the pharmaceutical companies millions. In addition, he was one of two to vote against new boosters several years back. You are the liar my friend.
There is no "vaccine". That is just marketing spiel from the 17th century when they believed in alcohol therapy, blood letting and pathogenic viruses.
Huh?
The truth shall set u free
I have asked you several times to tell me what your educational background is and what you do for a living, and you do not respond. These are particularly significant when you hold yourself out as qualified to discuss matters of science, epidemiology, & medicine. Likewise, you openly refer to others as "stupid" and mock them as "ignorant." I believe the truth will set you free.
antivaxxer supreme
Thank you for your honest and informative posts. Keep spreading the truth. You and your work is so appreciated.
He won’t tell you that he stated to his chum ZDogg, that he(Offit), had wild exposure to measles as a child and that resulted in superior immune protection, when compared to a shot of MMR.
It’s on a video which is in the public domain.
I also had exposure to measles as a child. It was very common before the immunization was available. But I would not dream of deliberately exposing my children to a potentially deadly disease today when there is a safe vaccine available as an alternative.
That is your choice. I beg to differ re safety. The recent initiative to assess actual placebo controlled vaccine clinical trials, which include the MMR vaccine, will reveal the facts and the evidence.
Consider an article by Alexander D. Langmuir and Donald A. Henderson et al, published in 1962, i.e. The importance of measles as a health problem: https://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/pdf/10.2105/AJPH.52.Suppl_2.1
The article commences with this statement: "During the past 40 years the ecological approach to disease has become a basic concept of epidemiology. Among all diseases measles has stood as the classic example of successful parasitism. This self-limiting infection of short duration, moderate severity, and low fatality has maintained a remarkably stable biological balance over the centuries. Those epidemiologists, and there are many, who tend to revere the biological balance have long argued that the ecological equilibrium of measles is solidly based, that it cannot readily be disrupted and that therefore we must learn to live with this parasite rather than hope to eradicate it. This speaker, not so long ago, was counted among this group and waxed eloquent on this subject in print."
So far so good and so natural...but then Langmuir and Henderson et al say: "Happily, this era is ending. New and potent tools that promise effective control of measles are at hand. If properly developed and widely used, it should be possible to disrupt the biological balance of measles. Its eradication from large continental land masses such as North America and many other parts of the world can be anticipated soon."
Langmuir and Henderson et al admit measles isn't in the same category as heart disease, arthritis or mental disease, and not a matter of parental concern like poliomyelitis "in spite of relatively low incidence".
But Langmuir and Henderson et al decide measles: "should still be classed as an important health problem on two main counts. First any parent who has seen his small child suffer even for a few days with persistent fever of 105°, with hacking cough and delirium wants to see this prevented, if it can be done safely. Second, at last there is promise that something can be accomplished by organized health action."
Langmuir and Henderson et al are keen to portray a child suffering with measles...but is this the general experience? My own anecdotal experience indicates it wasn't that serious. And even if a child did have a fever and a cough, does this justify a vaccine intervention which may have other repercussions for health and natural immunity?
Langmuir and Henderson et al's Figure 1 presents annual morbidity and mortality for the expanding reporting areas from 1912 to 1959, noting the stability of the morbidity rate and the steady downward trend in the mortality rate. They also note:"the somewhat ominous suggestion of a cessation of this downward trend since 1955 similar to the leveling off of the infant death rates during the past six years. The morbidity figures testify to the stability of the biological balance of measles during the period. The decline in mortality demonstrates the degree to which we have adapted to this balance and have learned to live with this parasite."
How shocking that the ecological equilibrium of measles was deliberately upset by man-made interference, seeking to make people dependent upon vaccination, interfering with their own natural defences.
“my own anecdotal experience indicates…”
….Oh for the sake of a flying fish! The problem is that tens of thousands of American kids are unable to relate THEIR anecdotal experiences, because they are dead or have brain damage from measles.
Of course measles wasn’t regarded as a big child killer in 1960… they were at far more risk from deadlier infections like polio, diphtheria of pertussis, and far more died from childbirth or neonatal issues than nowadays.
But having largely vanquished these major killers, it was only right that focus turns to other diseases like measles, rubella etc. Pre vaccine, 450 kids died each year from measles, and hundreds more had brain damaging encephalitis. Deafness from measles and mumps was common.
All you crazy antivaxers want to do is turn back the clock to the days when about 10,000 or more kids died each year from diseases we now prevent by vaccination.
Crazy indeed.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
So your 'voice of authority' hiding behind your pseudonym trumps my lived experience?
I don't think so...
Time for a much more nuanced and broad-ranging conversation on self-limiting illnesses, diseases, and vaccination, a conversation that has been deliberately suppressed for years.
Also, I see you're a retired NHS infectious diseases specialist - did you administer vaccines yourself? What form of informed consent process did you undertake?
Yes, on a personal basis, my experience trumps yours. But that’s irrelevant, it’s the collective experience which is important, since individual anecdotal experience is prone to considerable variation.
What you are saying is that the attention of pharma goes further afield seeking any illness it might make a vaccine for, and then rubber stamping it into law.
Pertussis had evolved to become a much milder disease by the time a vaccine for it was developed, so that there have always been more deaths caused by the vaccine than the disease since that time.
Polio usually didn’t kill, crippled more often. It was a terrible disease in those cases, which, however, were always outnumbered by mild and subclinical cases. The vaccines were a godsend. Job well done. Their mission is accomplished, the vaccine no longer necessary outside the Third World, or even Afghan/ Pakistan.
The only important thing now is that autism, allergic, autoimmune, and neurological disease are extremely common and absolutely devastating our children and our society. Exponentially more so than any of the vpds. Parents should remain free to choose vaccines if they want them, but they’d better get used to hearing Autism? Wrll, what did you expect, giving him the…!
Perhaps they will get used to hearing that, but it will be based in no science at all.
Diphtheria was vanishingly rare in 1960, having been vanquished by the vaccine. I support three doses of DT after three years old.
You didn’t mention the millions of children and under 35s who can’t tell you about their travails from autism because the hallmark of autism continues to be very limited or absent speech. Because autism is caused by a vaccine reaction which causes stroke-like damage to the language and social center of the brain. You may be familiar with how strokes often rob people of the ability to speak?
“autism is caused by a vaccine reaction which causes stroke-like damage to the language and social center of the brain”.
No one thinks that, Cia, not autism experts, neurology experts, stroke experts, and not even crank “vax causes autism” activists believe that.
I’ve explained stroke to you in detail before. Stop displaying your ignorance.
PS: Putting a gag in someone’s mouth will also “rob them of the ability to speak”.
So using your logic, autism is caused by gagging children.
limited or absent speech is not a hallmark of autism, for one thing.
There are more high functioning very verbal and articulate people with an autism diagnosis than ones without speech.
Secondly there is zero evidence that "autism is caused by a vaccine reaction". This has been shown conclusively but people like you are so close minded about this you cannot believe it.
https://vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
95% to 98% of mortaliry rates to childhood illnesses had occurred before vaccines arrived on the market
And about that oh so dangerous Whooping Cough the vaccine SUPPOSEDLY took out
Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-whooping-cough-vaccine-20190316-story.html
But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease, according to school officials. In fact, all 90 people who have recently come down with pertussis — the official name for whooping cough — in Los Angeles County this year had been immunized against it, according to county officials.
Eighteen students there have not been vaccinated against pertussis, but none of them has caught the illness, school spokesman Ari Engelberg said.
https://substack.com/home/post/p-161990900
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
90-95% of mortality rates to measles occurred before the vaccine appeared in the 1960s
And...?
Most of that mortality was because of secondary complications such as pneumonia, or underlying malnutrition. In that case, according to antivax folklore, you cannot blame measles for the death. That would mean your speculation that 95% of the deaths were "measles" is incorrect.
But it diesn't matter if 95% of the deathreduction was prevaccine or not. Facts are then that vaccines were responsible for the remaining 5% reduction in deaths, bringing the numbers down from 500-1000 each year down to effectively zero. Quite an acheivement.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DJreZ0VtCxh/
"Happily, this era is ending. New and potent tools that promise effective control of measles are at hand. If properly developed and widely used ..."
Deceitful "anti-vaxxer," like Australia's Elizabeth Hart, argues against MMR using an optimistic 1962 opinion piece about in-development measles vaccine - because it contains a graph she likes - even though it argues against her point.
From before any measles vaccines had actually reached market.
Another one of the charming pseudonyms who are acolytes of Paul Offit…he must be so proud to be associated with people so staunch in their convictions, they attack others while hiding behind anonymity…
As for your reference to “remunerative grift” - you are wrong, I don’t seek payment for my work questioning taxpayer-funded vaccination policy.
https://vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
Langmuir ended his article by saying that we didn’t really need a measles vaccine, but it was a challenge comparable to scaling Mount Everest, because it’s there!
He had also observed in his article that the common cold was a greater health concern than measles.
A measles patient would only be delirious if he had measles encephalitis. Dr. Mikaela Glöckler observed that based on the experience of herself and her colleagues, measles encephalitis only occurred in one in 10,000 cases of measles, and in one of 20,000 toddlers, causing death in one-fifth of these cases, and permanent disability in another fifth. She said the increase was caused by the routine use of antipyretics like Tylenol and Ibuprofen. They should not be given. The immune system knows how high to make the fever, and how long to hold it there.
“Dr. Mikaela Glöckler observed that based on the experience of herself and her colleagues, measles encephalitis only occurred in one in 10,000 cases of measles.”
As I’ve pointed out before to you…
1. Dr Glocker changed her advice in later editions of her book, and recommended that measles vaccine should be given, since encephalitis was more disabling and more common than she previously thought.
2. Her previous personal anecdotal observations of an encephalitis rate of one in 10,000 was reliant on what? To come to any reliably confident estimation based only on personal observation from her medical practice, she would need to have seen at least 100,000 cases of measles to see just 10 cases of encephalitis and establish a plausible baseline rate. DO YOU THINK SHE SAW 100,000 CASES OF MEASLES? …on your bike, you liar!!!
She said based on the experience of herself and her colleagues.
Why do you think she would change what she confidently and definitively said in the 2003 edition of her book? Gee, maybe Pharma threatened to wakefield her if she didn’t recant, as they have done to so many?
Measles encephalitis is very serious when it occurs, as it can after any viral disease. But it still has a favorable prognosis. Giving antipyretics greatly increases its frequency. How curious that most doctors still routinely recommed them.
He said if we can we may as well because the understanding was that the vaccine had no down side, there would be no injuries and that it would mimic natural infection being a one and done shot with life long immunity, that didn’t work out.
I agree that he probably had no idea how the measles vaccine would wreck the world. But the diphtheria and pertussis vaccines had proven to often be extremely disabling or even fatal from the time they were introduced in the twenties and thirties. He might have thought that the measles vaccine might work out to be just as dangerous, and it did. And he also didn’t consider the myriad benefits of having natural measles.
it was very common because measles and most childhood illnesses remain a joke to healthy children in developed countries with functional sanitation and water treatment. Thats why parents routinely took their kids in the 50s and 60s to measles mumps and chicken pox parties
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
Please get educated. This grift continues only because of the ignorance of parents like you
Aldous, the "good parent" thinks like this:
Aldous Blackwolf
it must be killing you inside - knowing that you are the reason your son has autism. it was your decision to get him vaccinated after all. you want it to be something other than that decision to allay your guilty conscience
its apparent then why you would be against RFKjr pushing resources into getting to the bottom of this. its the truth.
this dude poisoned his kid by getting him vaccinated. knows it deep inside but wants to blame the one guy who is willing to pony up resources to conduct a true test (not like the tests the NIH did in the past where they looked at everything BUT vaccines) the one consolation is that his autistic son has rendered him a genetic dead end. a full end to his bloodline. developmentally challenged kids and adults can barely take care of themselves let alone a family. so his blood line is caput
thats whats kiling him inside. but instead of properly blaming himself (and his ignorance when he made the decision) then helping others to avoid his mistake - he wants to channel it outside and theres is kharma for that
Compassionate, educated, empathetic, trustworthy. We can all learn from him.
SAFE vaccine BWAHAHHAHAHAAHAH
Here are your save vaccines.
https://ladycasey.substack.com/p/vaccine-effectiveness-graphs
P.S: your ignorance knows no bounds
Aldous, the "good parent" thinks like this:
Aldous Blackwolf
it must be killing you inside - knowing that you are the reason your son has autism. it was your decision to get him vaccinated after all. you want it to be something other than that decision to allay your guilty conscience
its apparent then why you would be against RFKjr pushing resources into getting to the bottom of this. its the truth.
this dude poisoned his kid by getting him vaccinated. knows it deep inside but wants to blame the one guy who is willing to pony up resources to conduct a true test (not like the tests the NIH did in the past where they looked at everything BUT vaccines) the one consolation is that his autistic son has rendered him a genetic dead end. a full end to his bloodline. developmentally challenged kids and adults can barely take care of themselves let alone a family. so his blood line is caput
thats whats kiling him inside. but instead of properly blaming himself (and his ignorance when he made the decision) then helping others to avoid his mistake - he wants to channel it outside and theres is kharma for that
Compassionate, educated, empathetic, trustworthy. We can all learn from him.
Fiona Lynch was arrested again after another spree of assaults on homeless children, involving the use of flammable liquids and explicit threats of immolation. She derives sexual gratification from the victims’ fear, suggesting scoptophilia and likely sexual sadism. Often calm and methodical during the attacks, she displays marked emotional detachment and antisocial traits. Psychiatric assessment pointed to co-morbid Pedophilic Disorder, Antisocial Personality Disorder and other specified paraphilic disorders, complicating both risk assessment and treatment planning.
Your comment is defamatory and I have no idea why you would post such an offensive and untrue comment. Clearly you have the wrong person. ie the wrong Fiona Lynch. I suggest you remove this comment immediately.
Nice try, Fiona, but it's in the records, which are in the public domain.
Now you're trying to set me up. I'm not posting the links. I'm not even going to mention which Fiona Lynch you are, or where.
I am not ‘trying to set you up,’ as you state. I am simply conveying that you have posted a defamatory statement about someone who is not me. What you have done is a very serious matter.
I suggest you reflect on that and the consequences, admit your error, apologise and be more careful next time that you disagree with someone’s opinion about MMR vaccines.
I am not sure what motivates someone to lie on a public post to the degree that you have, but the author of the substack must realise this type of behaviour could have ramifications for him, if he allows such incredulous comments to remain posted.
I am sorry that you feel so bad, Fiona.
Maybe you actually do have the ability to feel some guilt or shame. Perhaps you could get re-evaluated, and with a new treatment plan - who knows?
"superior immune protection"
Utter nonsense. I had measles as a child, only a mild vaccine breakthrough infection, and yet it destroyed my immune system for years. I endured successive infections and ultimately contracted a case of severe strep throat that nearly hospitalized me at the age of 12.
My mother, aunt and father had measles, and ALL had heart disease. My dad was felled by a stroke at the age of 67. My mom and aunt both developed cancer as well.
There is not a shred of evidence to show that measles gives any protection against heart disease or cancer and only abundant evidence showing that measles attacks and weakens the immune system, resulting in immune amnesia.
Exactly. I remember that episode.
Thank you Dr. Offit, we need your voice, expertise and science based facts more than ever. RFKJr is criminally negligent for spreading falsehoods.
how did you get a PHD and somehow skip this stats
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you are correct the other stats are worth noting, however 4 measles death/year is when there is no outbreak and vaccinations have been received. As an aside, snark is not necessary for civil discourse and sharing information.
Aldous (evil twin of Rombios) is one of our pet loons.
He comes to Offit-land to sh-t on Dr. Offit, his work, and his motivations. To spam and to antagonizes sane people. Let it out.
Except no ONE died of measles this year. They died of pneumonia brought about by hospital intervention
Interview with the children's parents and their family doctor, the Sec of HHS and even prominent medical revealed the truth
https://rumble.com/v6r5b5o-chd-interview-with-the-parents-of-texas-measles-girl-who-died-of-pneumonia-.html
It's fear mongering
https://rumble.com/v6t7egh-paul-offit.-disease-fear-monger.html
But even fear mongering serves a purpose
No one died of "measles" in the old days either. They used to use mercury and quinine etc. that led to deaths.
https://www.healthscience.org/dr-john-h-tilden-biography/
The 'side effects' from quinine include things like deafness which they claim are complications of "measles" based on the legacy of these poisons.
https://www.drugs.com/sfx/quinine-side-effects.html#refs
Have You Been Hypnotized Into Illness?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQabkg4PTRc
Thank you so much, Dr. Offit, for continuing to spread awareness and factual data based science. I’m really sorry you’re getting trolled. This country is terrifying. These antivax comments are shocking. The education system has failed us. Hate and misinformation is winning and children are dying because of it.
Speaking of education
vaccine "effectiveness" graphs
https://ladycasey.substack.com/p/vaccine-effectiveness-graphs
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_374,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8b96e09-0b25-4bc3-97bb-3490493ad6b1_855x960.jpeg
Florida Health Department Confirms Pfizer Vaccine Killed Over 470,000 Americans
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/florida-health-department-confirms
non covid deaths counted as covid deaths
https://substack.com/@sharylattkisson/note/c-112379922
Sir you are sharing unserious memes blaming vitamin deficiencies for communicable diseases that we’ve had vaccines for…for decades. On a post from an MD who specializes in communicable illnesses and vaccines. He wants children and other humans to not die. He’s not driven by corporate greed or lust for power, he just doesn’t want needless suffering and death caused by ignorance and mis/disinformation.
Have you no discernment?
I weep for the way the education system in this country has failed us all.
🤡✌🏽
You have been trolled by a true jamoke. Ask him to explain his "charts and graphs," which I have done many times, and you will receive total silence. Nevertheless, I encourage him to continue to post them simply because, by having "inherited" them them from a previous jamoke, he has already boarded the train to be banned. It's only time before he joins the ranks of the ant-vaxxer martyrs...
Offit has been nicknamed Profit by other commenters on this substacks.
He sits on a MERCK appointed board. He profits from his license and the sales of his rotavirus vaccine.
Without vaccine injured children; of which he contributes; he would fade to irrelevance
I've debunked those antivax propaganda lies before, Aldous. Why are you spamming them again?
Because you can't debunk facts
Many among us who are old enough have survived measles. Those who have not rarely write blogs. The reason why so many think that it is a harmless disease is because the relative mortality is low - they have not seen somebody die from it. However, every death from measles is one too many as the disease is entirely vaccine preventable. Collectively, the numbers of dead children are high - in the US around 400 to 500 children died of measles before the introduction of the vaccine. The reason why the choice to vaccinate is not a only a personal decision is because measles is highly contagious and if your child or yourself are not vaccinated you will transmit measles to others (some of whom cannot be protected because they are immunocompromised). Individual protection and societal protection are both important. That is also the reason why a measles epidemic like the current one should not simply be left to expand and kill more and more children.
But the MMR, hep-B, DTaP, and flu vaccines DO often cause autism. The autism rate in California increased a lot after personal exemptions to the vaccine requirement for school were removed in 2015. Now in one in 20 children in California, one in 12 boys.
So every parent must make a choice regarding this and all other vaccines offered. Measles, which is very rarely dangerous, especially with A, no fever reducers, and isolation in bed for the entire illness plus two to six weeks quiet at home after the end of the fever, and which confers many benefits, or autism, bowel disease, etc. My daughter has autism caused by vaccine encephalitis, and I cannot briefly convey the tragedy and horror of the stroke-like brain damage of autism. No parent would make a choice which might cause this. Which means that parents must learn how to care for children with this and other childhood diseases. I’d recommend three doses of the DT series after three. That’s all. Learn the symptoms of meningitis etc. which require conventional medical attention as quickly as possible. Consider nosodes.
No, vaccine do not cause autism.
Thats already been proven as a fact that it does
https://open.substack.com/pub/jbhandley/p/in-court-vaccines-cause-autism
1. Court cases in matters of science do not prove facts. Didn’t Alabama once legislate that pi was equal to three?
2. The Hannah Poling case did not establish proof, even in legal terms. She had a genetic mitochondrial enzyme defect, characterised by regression into encephalopathy, with successive triggers for neurological damage resulting from oxidative stress (of which vaccines may be one).
As Offit himself explained:
“features reminiscent of autism are evident in all children with profound impairments in cognition; but these similarities are superficial, and their causal mechanisms and genetic influences are different from those of classic autism.”
THere have been numerous court cases through VAERS settled for autism under the umbrella of encephalitis
https://www.mctlaw.com/vaccine-injury/encephalitis-vaccine-reaction/
So, not for autism then. Got it.
>he reason why the choice to vaccinate is not a only a personal decision is because measles is highly contagious and if your child or yourself are not vaccinated you will transmit measles to others (some of whom cannot be protected because they are immunocompromised)
So the vaccine only works when EVERYONE is vaccinated. if there are people who can opt out - then ANYone should opt out. This is the same tired b.s we were fed (i never fell for) during the Covid years. Vaccine only works when everyone is vaccinated. Its a clever way to reduce the control group and thus hide adverse reactions from bells palsy to myocarditis, from facial paralysis to death
Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-whooping-cough-vaccine-20190316-story.html
Also are you willing to have the government rescind the llability protection given in the national childhood vaccination act ?
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
I STRONGLY encourage you to continue to flood the zone with bullshit because, if you recall, this is exactly how your hero rombios got banned. In fact, get angry, call people names, you know, your usual MO. Expedite the process so you can receive your anti-vaxxer martyr's crown. Oorah, 'bro. History shall be yours. Or, you could just GO HOME.
In the 60s they didn't diagnose "measles" according to "vaccine" status. There is no data to compare with the 1960s. The thing that is transmitted is the 'vaccine' status used to discriminate in the diagnostics. The reason why refusing poison injections is not just a personal choice is because failing to do so is illegal and could cause harm to other children due to helping prop up a terrorist network.
Dr. Offit has achieved near Fauci-level villany He's the subject of numerous unhinged Substack, FB, etc. screeds against vaccination, big pharma, the "medical industrial complex," "experts," etc.
Check out the hateful comments (but don't, because they don't deserve more traffic) - Bollingers with over 1.2-million subscribers.
https://substack.com/@thetruthaboutcancer/p-163104139
Grifters need fresh material. Incitement to hate, based on lies - Nice!
My goodness. Substack has made it so easy for crackpots to start blogs. Such is life.
They're full-on malignant fraudsters. And they profit from creating Offit-hate.
Bodybuilder turned quack cancer peddler (2014 or so), anti-vaccine before it was cool, book, video and supplement sales - SHOCKING!
"Stop the steal" election lying, big financial deals with bobby's CHD scam organization. Quack cancer treatments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ty_Bollinger
I guess these people have always been around. The internet has no doubt helped them.
But RFK Jr in the federal government is a whole new level of bad.
Not my cat. I found the photo floating around and thought it was really cute! 😺😺😺
That guy has 1.1-million subscribers. He's not a startup. He he and his wife were "wellness" grifters before substack. But, yes. Substack has really enabled and facilitated predators and outrage farmers.
I suggest you are the one grossly misinforming the public, Paul Offit, fear-mongering about what was once regarded as a self-limiting illness in childhood.
Of course, who knows what damage has been done now to generations of children impacted by the unnatural measles, mumps, rubella MMR intervention.
By way of personal anecdote, I'm a measles survivor...
My mother recalled me having measles around 18 months of age (this was in London in 1961, and is unlikely to have been laboratory verified.)
She was a young mother, only 19 years old and I was her first child. She was shocked to see her baby covered in spots and called the doctor to the house. My mother recalls the doctor said I had measles, but told her not to worry, they would just run their course (a rather more benign message than we receive nowadays...)
My mother said the spots lasted about ten days and I did not seem to be too adversely affected. She said "it did not put you off your food in any way" and "you used to sleep right through the night from 10.00 pm to 6.00 am".
In 2012 I had serological testing to check my immunity for measles, mumps and rubella. According to these tests I understand I'm protected.
It seems I have natural immunity to measles due to having this disease as a child. Somehow I must have had exposure to mumps too, but I don't recall having obvious symptoms of this disease. It's likely I had rubella vaccination as a girl, but I also question this intervention.
The mind boggles at the amount of vaccine interventions now foisted upon people via the ever-increasing 'womb to tomb' vaccination schedule, which is steeped in conflicts of interest.
Thank you, Dr. Offit. Wonder why all the negative posters say nothing about the dead children. Nor the fact that it has been years and years since any children have died from measles.
Sweden tried the natural immunity route regarding COVID and failed.
Re the reported measles deaths, there are varying perspectives, see: https://www.malone.news/p/measles-returns-a-texas-death-and
Re 'COVID', how's the 'fully vaccinated' after two doses turning out? Looks like that was mis/disinformation...aka a lie.
And the COVID-19 vaccine mandates are looming as a disastrous failure of medical ethics, see for example: US DoD admits vaccination mandate "was unlawful as implemented..." https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/us-dod-admits-vaccination-mandate
You poor thing.
Shame, you absorb antivaccine propaganda and then regurgitate it without letting it filter through any sentient part of your brain.
Mike S, you are a retired NHS infectious diseases specialist - do you have a medical degree?
What is your understanding of vaccinators' obligation to obtain valid voluntary informed consent for vaccination? How does this sit with vaccination mandates?
If a vaccine is mandated (for eg school, work) you can still refuse. No one can force you to have it (Jacobsen vs Massachusetts excepted -smallpox).
You should have informed consent for administering vaccines. This means correct information, not misinformation.
If refusal to submit to vaccination results in a penalty, e.g. loss of livelihood or access to public schooling, that’s pressure, coercion and manipulation.
Vaccinators have a moral, ethical and legal obligation to obtain valid voluntary informed consent for vaccination, and must not collaborate with pressure, coercion, manipulation or mandates.
In relation to Jacobson v. Massachusetts, see: Jacobson v. Massachusetts...and the obligation for valid consent for vaccination...
https://elizabethhart.substack.com/p/jacobson-v-massachusettsand-the-obligation
The two Mennonite girls who died were over measles, but died from complications incorrectly treated by doctors. Medical negligence, even malpractice.
Wrong as I and others who understand the pathophysiology of measles...if they did not contract measle's they would not have died from the subsequent 2nd complications...FACT
JJF Phm 🇨🇦
If the parents had lived in a different Mennonite community, their children would not have gotten measles. If they had isolated Kaley from the time of her first symptoms of measles, she would not have developed mycoplasma pneumonia. If they had not kept all five measles children in the same bed, she would not have developed as severe a case. If they had given her A, she probably would not have died. If they had ignored the doctor and not hiven her Tylenol, she probably would not have died. If she had been tested to identify the cause of her pneumonia as soon as she was hospitalized on Feb 22, they would have identified mycoplasma, and if there had been any competent doctors on hand, they would have treated her with azith and she would not have died.
If she had gotten the MMR, she would not have gotten measles, but she would very likely have developed autism and bowel disease from it.
The buck stops at the incompetent doctors who gave harmful advice and fatal medication.
If you hadn't been such a blackhearted, noxious liar, your child wouldn't have been so horrifically damaged.
Proverbs 19:5
Deuteronomy 19:16-19
Exodus 23:1
Psalm 109:2
This fv<king animal is blaming the doctors who tried to save the lives of these children instead of arseholes like itself who spread the lies that led to the measles outbreak.
And the nurses and pharmacists and respiratory techs and patient care techs and radiology techs.
It couldn't have been the actual disease that we know these children had, and that occasionally results in critical illness, and even death, as we have known forever. It couldn't have been from measles virus, first isolated in 1954.
"They" messed up at the hospital.
There is no such thing as measles virus.
https://odysee.com/@firestarter:7/SLJS-05-Measles-German-High-Court-Stefan-Lanka:7
We disagree on that, and I’ve explained at length already why your view is incorrect.
I hope cases come to court soon, and that the hospital’s expense claims are massive, since it will be the plaintiffs and their lawyers who will need to pay for those once they lose their claims of negligence. But no doubt when landed with the bill, they will contrive some go fund me appeal to pay for it, and the only winners will be the hospital, and the lawyers on both sides.
I also hope that they come to court soon. We shall see. If you are the original M, you may recall that when it was first announced that a sample had tested positive for mycoplasma after several days in the hospital (why didn’t they test to identify what she had immediately?), that it was imperative to give her azith or a macrolid immediately. She died because they did not. You were right that it was imperative. Yet they did not identify her infection in a timely manner, and did not give her cheap, ubiquitous azithromycin for eleven hours after the identification was made. She died as a result. Most people would say that was negligent. I understand that, for reasons of your own, you do not.
You said at the time that mycoplasma was a rare infection. I have since read, in connection with this case, that it was a common cause of community-acquired pneumonia. I’ll look it up.
As you know, I said that the diagnostic test for mycoplasma (BAL) could not have been requested, sampled and sent to the lab until Kayley had been intubated and established on a ventilator, and had her respiratory parameters stabilised.
This happened in the late evening, meaning a sample is unlikely to have even been sent before 10pm, more likely midnight.
The mycoplasma results would only have been available after 6 or 7 am the next morning.
She was initiated on IV azithromycin at 9 am.
Hardly any significant delay then.
Mycoplasma is rarely a serious, life threatening pneumonia. It is seldom fatal, and antibiotics do not seem to have a major posit impact. It was called “walking pneumonia” because it was so seldom serious (or even recognised).
She was admitted to the hospital a little after noon on Feb 22. They could and should have taken a sputum sample at that time and sent it to the lab. Instead, they assumed with no basis that she had a hospital-acquired infection, when she had been at home, not a hospital setting, and had a community-acquired mycoplasma infection. They treated her with ceftriaxone (which was OK) and vancomycin, which was wrong, since she did not have a hospital-acquired infection. She needed cheap azithro, which packs every pharmacy in the world. But since they did not test to identify the pathogen until the day before she died, they gave her a useless treatment. Azithro and macrolides treat microplasma, but vancomycin does nothing at all because microplasma lacks cell walls.
We saw with Covid that intubation nearly always killed patients.
Competent doctors would have tested her immediately upon admission on Feb 22. Instead, the pathogen was not identified until late in the afternoon on Feb 24, more than two days after she was admitted to hospital. Microplasma was identified that evening, but despite its ready availability, it was not administered to her until ten in the morning on Feb 25. She died a little before seven am on Feb 26.
The correct antibiotic should have taken precedence over the usually-fatal intubation.
I reread Pierre Kory’s article on their cases yesterday, the half on Daisy’s case twice, trying to grasp it and store it in my mind, more complicated than Kayley’s case, though equally careless. Both girls killed by medical incompetence which boggles the mind. I laughed at the end when he said that parents of sick children should move entirely out of that area to search for a facility offering minimally competent medical care. We have already fallen to Third World status is every area, and felled by our own hand. Maybe from the dearth of sound minds caused by…
So it’s being claimed. Of course, from the online community that supports this type of nonsense claims it is so and they offer up what should have been done, which is mostly more supplements and other voodoo. So sue the doctors and see who wins. The hospital itself my spit up a little hush money, which would be cheaper in the long run, then all the fraudsters can claim ‘victory.’
I don’t see any sign that this slanderous tale is true. Either provide documentation or admit this is a lie.
It is a slanderous lie. I tried to report it, but the usual way of doing so by clicking the three dots on the right was disabled. I don’t think Dr. Offit would permit something so ugly on his site, if he were aware of it. It also occurred to me that it might be by one of the usual sh-lls using a new ugly nym to give free rein to his psychopathic fantasies. No decent person would read past the second filthy line.
In 2020 they rebranded the 'flu. This is why 'flu almost disappeared from the statistics to be replaced by COVID 19. I guess you missed the big clue, so many do.
No flu reporting? Look again, skippy
So you missed the big clue then, Sel? Big pharma rebrand the 'flu every so often when profits are falling. It is a classic business technique to fool the gullible.
Anyway, never mind, all being well you have had all the COVID 19 vaccines which will make big pharma happy. :)
'Sweden' were involved in the "covid" atrocity having spread "virus" propaganda to generate nocebo effect with fewer 'measures' to counteract it with placebo effect.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foNp2-9Y8Cw
Thank you Dr. Makary, Dr. Batacharia and Dr. Prasad for joining the team. They are excellent doctors will be transparent.
What are you hiding Paul Offit?
He’s not hiding. He’s being vocal. Good for him.
My sisters and I, in fact our entire neighborhood, all had the measles and survived it. I recall it was no big deal.
" I recall it was no big deal."
1 in 1000 who become infected die, 1 in 1000 get encephalitis, 1 in 50 get pneumonia, 1 in 5 are hospitalised.
Your neighbourhood was very small, or you are misremembering, or you are lying.
You are an arsehole antivaxxer so that means you are lying.
ANTIVAXXER = LIAR.
My Dad was in WW2, and survived. My mother was in Auschwitz as a political prisoner for 5 years. She similarly survived.
“No big deal” then, I guess.
That’s interesting. Really?
However, not a good criticism. They survived out of how many in similar circumstances?
In 1960, three to four million American children a year got measles. 450 died. I read ten years ago that over a thousand suffered some kind of physical disability, but I’d have to look for it to be sure. But NEARLY the entire three and a half million recovered with no sequelae. Of those who did not, you need to distinguish those appropriately isolated in bed the entire time, including two to six weeks quiet at home after the fever, who took vitamin A at the appropriate dosage, and who took no antipyretics.
The important question is how many previously healthy children (or include adults) died or were disabled when they both had measles AND followed the care guidelines. You know the answer would be vanishingly few.
What could be the reason that families in Lubbock were given exactly the wrong advice? I put up a link to an article in a Lubbock newspaper which said to NOT give vitamin A to measles patients. To GIVE them Tylenol, and Kaylee’s family heard and did so. And Aaby did a study which you would think doctors would be familiar with, which found that the number one determinant of measles mortality was having more than one measles patient in the room, as it intensified the viral load in the room. I doubt any doctor told Kaylee’s family of that. And so they had all five of their children, all with or coming down with measles, sleep in the same bed.
I don’t know, either really really st- and completely ignorant of measles, or even possibly thinking of outcomes they could use to manipulate parents into giving their children the MMR.
Point is, vaccination would have prevented these deaths. You don’t get to ignore that fact by complaining some kids had different management…and management that doesn’t really have any impact on outcome.
It’s like you saying people don’t need to wear seat belts, because you imagine that serious traumatic injuries might do better if they received ice cold compression packs in the ambulance, …and you invent a narrative that has you wondering if deaths were due to paramedics failing to use compress packs.
The issue is wearing the seatbelt, Cia. That’s the thing which prevented the trauma.
…Like the vaccine prevents measles.
I understood his point. Everything in life is a series of choices and events. If any one of them were different, it changes apparently unrelated events further down the line. If the nurse who gave C the hep-B vaccine at midnight on the day she was born had hesitated and thought Maybe I should ask her mom if she wants me to give this to her? Maybe I should ask Dr. Boudreau? Then C’s entire life would have been different, autism-free, she would have been someone I cannot even imagine, she would have finished college, probably be married and have had a baby.
When I was a child, I loved the verse(?) And all for the want of a horseshoe nail. For want of a nail the horse was lost, for want of a horse, the rider was lost, For want of a rider the battle was lost, etc.
If the parents didn’t want to risk autism, they should not have gotten her the MMR, and they didn’t. Their other four children got and breezed through measles. Kaylee was over measles, but yes, had a pneumonia contracted because measles had depressed her immune system. There are many points at which, if different decisions and choices had been made, she would not have died. But it is not the case that all children should get the MMR. I don’t know how often it causes autism. The result of one in between twenty and thirty-one children having autism in many cases is from one or more vaccines other than the MMR. But the MMR often causes autism by itself. You’d have to somehow say how many cases of autism one measles death is equivalent to. I would submit that many would say that one case of autism is more to be prevented than one hundred measles deaths.
You can see the handwriting on the wall. You know what’s coming.
The MMR causes autism manifold times more often than it prevents a measles death. In developed countries. So you need to say what your proposed solution is to what to
You are completely ignorant of measles, Cia.
You know some stuff, but cannot process it except through an antivax/“measles is beneficial” filter.
It’s like me spending years “studying” selected car repair manuals I found online, and then insisting they run on mango juice.
What am I ignorant of? Seriously.
I know that measles is often intense, but manageable with common sense measures. And that it is very beneficial in the long run.
I understand that you treated many children in Africa with measles. Measles in Africa is often hemorrhagic, fatal in about 10% of cases rather than the one in 10,000 in the US in 1960. I know that Somali father Abdulkadir Khalef, whose son reacted to the MMR with autism, but whose other children had recovered from measles in Somalia, said he thought it was preferable for children to go through natural measles, even die from it, than get autism from the vaccine.
That is the conversation we’re having. When C was born in 2000, the autism rate was one in 180. In 1980, it was one in 10,000. Now it’s one in 20 in California and in some other places. One in 12 boys. One in 31 in the US is one I saw earlier today, but based on 2022 figures, so it may well have skyrocketed to one in 20 in the last three years.
I dont think people not directly affected have any idea what that means. I am dealing with what it means now, and can’t say any more about it because my anxiety level is so high. It is NOT all taken care of and under control by competent authorities. There will be few employed tax payers and no one to provide the most basic care to the millions of autistic children and young people here now. There aren’t enough now as it is. The important question at this time is how to staunch the explosion of autism. And the first thing to do is to greatly reduce or refuse vaccines.
Blocked and muted. Bye
too bad you survived as you would have been a good trade for one of those innocent girls who died of measles.
Honestly, you people are the meanest, most degenerate personalities. What a truly disgusting thing to say to another human being. What is it about you that your pathology concerning your addiction to vaccines is always personal and never rational? And you claim to be a physician????
Perhaps you oh should remove the plank from your own eye first. AP may be callous for suggesting she should have died rather than one of the recent measles victims, but someone who dismisses the deaths of 450 kids in the US each year and who actively campaigns to see this death toll is reinstated is hardly positing from the higher moral ground here.
Vaccination, just like any other medical intervention, is the individual's choice. You know, there's something to be said for a strong immune system to either stop illness in its tracks or give you an easy recovery. Not everyone is equally vulnerable to dying from an infectious disease which is why it was wrong to lockdown all of us during covid and why forcing everyone into a covid vaccine was just stupid and unnecessary.
You clearly know nothing about measles, and little about Covid. Perhaps you should stop relying on antivax podcasts and websites.
This is exactly why trying to converse with you people is impossible: your first line of argument is always insulting others with ad hominem attacks.
Mike, you seem to have missed the memo about COVID. In 2020 they rebranded the 'flu. This is why 'flu almost disappeared from the statistics to be replaced by COVID 19. I guess you missed the big clue, so many do.
450 out of four million.
Having natural measles, mumps, chickenpox, and other febrile diseases in childhood, prevents many serious diseases in later life. Each febrile disease (with no fever reducers) before ten reduces cancer in later life by 20%, up to a maximum of 80%, with the exception of breast cancer. Measles is the most effective at preventing cancer. Mumps prevents ovarian cancer. Chickenpox prevents glioma, a brain cancer. So you also have to look at the millions a year who die of cancer and calculate how many of them would not have died if they had had the natural diseases as children.
They also protect to some degree against heart disease. We need more information in order to do meaningful calculations. To me, it’s easy. Autism etc if you vax. Protection from cancer and heart disease if you get the natural diseases. Ability to protect infants from measles in their first year if the mother has had natural measles. Dramatic reduction in SSPE for those infants.
Let’s say that 450 deaths out of four million cases is the default if not many take aspirin or Tylenol. Though also true that children are much less healthy now than they were in 1960. Say 400 out of four million. 40,000 would be one percent. 4,000 one-tenth of one percent. 400 one-one hundredth of one percent was the measles mortality rate in the US in 1960. Not dangerous.
Half of those who died were malnourished or immunocompromised. It is necessary to learn how many of the other half failed to take the obvious precautions. Then go from there.
Stop lying. Measles does not protect against cancer and heart disease.
It’s dangerous, sometimes fatal. Just how fatal it can be is demonstrated by the NAmerican outbreak…1000+ cases, 3 deaths.
Fuck off child killer
Your standards are lower than I had imagined. All I need to know about your heart is your hatred which quite literally makes you insane and devours your ability to control yourself. SMH
And you claim to be a pediatrician? No pediatrician with any self respect talks like that to anyone. Of course, maybe you’re lying since all you are capable of saying is “f… off.” Brilliant, positively brilliant. Bad grades in med school, eh?
What can be lower than the standards of an infanticidal maniac and child killer like you.
What a despicable thing to say. I disagree with her characterization of the situation and of Dr. Offit but it’s her opinion to be offered.
You should have the backbone to identify yourself and not hide behind the anonymous label.
Offit should ban people like her. They have their own sites.
Another anonymous physician here. I heartily concur - because regulars compelled to provocatively spread defamatory misinformation and lies are malignant, like cancer.
“because no pediatrician with any self respect talks like that to ..”
Right. They hold it in - for years. You've had this freaky vaccine obsession for 15 years.. Or longer? What set you off?
Hardly the type of statement a doctor should publish on line. Is that in keeping with the Hippocratic Oath? No wonder you use an ‘anonymous.’ The woman posted her experience and the attitude at the time when people took responsibility for childhood illnesses, but consulted with their doctor if needed.
In today’s World of poor nutrition, fast foods, inactivity, low Vitamin D levels and lack of parental knowledge or experience, which includes safe fever management and hydration requirements, and home nursing skills, this can contribute to avoidable hospitalisations and complications with measles.
This happens in developed countries such as the USA, where the role that nutrition plays in supporting immune pathways, innate and adaptive has not been discussed openly or used as an adjunct to vaccinations, or as an option, or where risks of the MMR (attenuated but still live) vaccine are known, but seldom disclosed.
Elizabeth’s testimony ought not to be denigrated or dismissed. Primary vaccine failure is also not discussed, nor are children or adults screened for genetic mutations, prior to vaccines, which can and do place them at an increased risk. Poland would not disagree with this. Doctors are advised not to prescribe certain oral medications, where Mitichondrial Disorders are known in their patients.How many people are undiagnosed? Can components of a vaccine act as an epigenetic or exogenous trigger, resulting in an avoidable adverse outcome or death? Why is it ok to acknowledge oral medications and genetic risks if a SNP or other issue is known and to find an alternative or option, but not when a vaccine is in question?
Surely these are valid aspects to informed consent?
I am reminded of a friend’s 18 month old who was meeting his milestones, healthy and well on the day he received his MMR injection. That was in the morning;he was deceased in the afternoon that same day.
Spare a thought for these folk who did as they were told and were left with no reason for their tremendous and unexpected loss, probably labelled ‘antivaxxers,’ if they chose to delay or to decline further MMR injections, for their subsequent children.
Also, as you describe yourself as a physician, albeit anonymous, can you please advise what procedure you follow to obtain valid voluntary informed consent from individuals/guardians before vaccination?
I presume this must be a tricky process given the widespread vaccination mandates in the US...
Please describe your process of "misinformed refusal", Lizzy killer-at-hart.
Firstly, why is an individual or guardian of a child in a clinic for vaccination?
What is the illness/disease threat recommended to be vaccinated against, what is the quality of information supporting this intervention?
Is the vaccinator a specialist in this area including in the vaccine products? Are they properly explaining the situation to the individual or guardian of a child so they can make a voluntary informed decision on the intervention?
How can someone make an authentic 'voluntary' informed decision on a vaccination intervention when a vaccination mandate is in place, i.e. there are penalties for non-compliance?
I'm sure you have the lies ready to misinform this parent so as to push her in the direction of refusal. You will never know how many children of the parents that that you have lied to that you have killed with your disgusting and deceitful "misinformed refusal" tactic.
What is the illness/disease threat recommended to be vaccinated against, what is the quality of information supporting this intervention?
Is the vaccinator a specialist in this area including in the vaccine products? Are they properly explaining the situation to the individual or guardian of a child so they can make a voluntary informed decision on the intervention?
How can someone make an authentic 'voluntary' informed decision on a vaccination intervention when a vaccination mandate is in place, i.e. there are penalties for non-compliance?
Too bad you haven't the courage to attack others under your own name rather than hiding behind a pseudonym...
In regard to the reported measles deaths, here's another perspective: https://www.malone.news/p/breaking-news-another-texas-child
Muted and blocked. Bye.
I don't need the death threats from anti-vaccine pricks like you
Robert Malone is so bad he has been dropped even by his fellow antivaxxers. He is like a spoiled child who didn't get his way. There is no evidence that he had access to the medical files, and you are a gullible fool who would believe anything anyone says with enough brazen unearned pretense of confidence. I will send a con man your way and see how you get on.
Malone is BLATANTLY LYING.
He is suffering from guilt over the death of these two children which arseholes like him are responsible for by spreading bullshit to their parents
Look it up. They were both over measles. Kaylee had a community-acquired mycoplasma infection which should have been lab-typed and treated with azithromycin right away, but instead was treated with an antibiotic suited only for a hospital-acquired infection, which she did not have. The two antibiotics given do not treat a mycoplasma infection. She died as a result of not having been given the right antibiotic until days after she was hospitalized, and only hours before her death.
The real question here is how to guard against incompetent doctors. Possibly even …?
"They were both over measles."
LYING ANTIVAX ARSEHOLE.
THEY BOTH DIED OF COMPLICATIONS OF MEASLES INFECTION.
Measles is STILL a “self limiting” disease of childhood…kids get better, but sometimes don’t, and die.
And in some measles is NOT self limiting… it causes SSPE, a particularly horrific, slow burn encephalitis which invariably kills the child, sometimes as long as 10 or even 20 years later.
SSPE was so rare until 1970, that there was no registry to keep count of it until then. I think it’s suspicious that it’s caused by a defective version of the measles virus which is never cleared. Maybe one designed to persist, escaped from the live measles vaccine, first introduced in 1968. And then for the first time, they started counting cases of SSPE.
SSPE usually occurs in children who contracted measles in their first year. In the days when 99% of mothers had had natural measles, babies did not get measles then, getting their mothers’ antibodies from placental immunity and breadtfeeding, Now few mothers ever had natural measles and so cannot protect their infants. I’m glad that I had measles at six and was able to protect mine. I regret not having protected her from crazed doctors.
The problem with SSPE recognition/diagnostics was that with all these teens/young adults suffering weird encephalitic disease, there was nothing to make doctors imagine it could be linked to their measles 10 years before, from which they recovered.
But with advances in diagnostics for neurological diseases and the use of specific diagnostic tests, including PCR and typing, it became clear that cases were CAUSED by prior measles infection.
Ok?
A bit like Pluto. Until 1930, nobody knew it existed. But I’m pretty sure it was there all along. 😉
What causes the measles virus which they get to be defective and to persist for many years? I think it is similar to the live oral polio virus sometimes mutating and causing paralytic polio. The live measles vaccine virus, around since 1968, sometimes escapes into the environment and, when it causes measles infection, it is never overcome by the immune system, but lingers and eventually kills. Having been designed to persist for life. No vaccine, no problem. Women who can protect their babies protect them from getting measles in that first year, including the aberrant vaccine virus strain which initiates SSPE.
Stop pretending to know anything about medicine, infectious diseases, and measles.
Everything you say is incorrect or grossly misleading.
You wish.
Did paralytic polio caused by the mutated oral vaccine sometimes occur before the oral vaccine was developed? Obviously not.
I recommend MUTE and BLOCK for these idiots. Improves reading experience.
Thank you for gathering all of the information into a coherent timeline. I am praying that measles does not become endemic in the U.S. As a family physician for 36 years, I never thought this sad day would come.
RFK Jr doesn’t believe in the germ theory. That is why he isn’t bothered by measles. He should be held criminally liable for all deaths from diseases preventable by vaccines.
Maybe a couple of his own family members should have to suffer through them,and let him see up close and personal what they really are and what they can really do,even months after the fact!
He needs to see someone he cares about, actually go through this!!Saying it's okay for someone else's kids to go through this is abstract and won't affect him.But let's see how he feels when they're one of his own.
Unfortunately I think he would deny the cause.
Thanks again for continuing to be a voice of science and reason.
I agree! RFK is dangerous for our country (as is this entire regime! How do we get Bondi & Hegseth removed also?).
The only thing that bothers Kennedy is he hasn't been able to sue vaccine makers for the billions he thinks he deserves for his 20+ years of making shit up about vaccines.
Pretty much every sentence you write is either a lie, or misinformation.
Thank you for your persistence in this area. I can not imagine that anyone with any sense would not want their child vaccinated. RFK’s” advice” and “ “guidance” is as harmful and irresponsible as swinging a loaded gun around in a crowd…
I'm almost as old as RFK Jr. I never got vaccinated since there was no vaccine. We were told that getting measles as early as possible was the best way to go. Apparently, JKF Jr never left that view. I've vaccinated all my children with as many shots that's been recommended and I'm refreshing my Covid shot every year. Science, something Trump and his cronies hates, has given us relief from the pain a grave infection is.
I still remember the pain I was in 60 years ago when I had measles. Why would I want that for my children and grandchildren?
Maybe to avoid the pain of autism etc, every minute of every day of every year, until death?
Cia Parker = Pinnochio Picknose Parker = LYING ANTIVAX CHILD KILLER.
Get a grip
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_374,c_limit,f_webp,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2Fc8b96e09-0b25-4bc3-97bb-3490493ad6b1_855x960.jpeg
vaccine "effectiveness" graphs
https://ladycasey.substack.com/p/vaccine-effectiveness-graphs
https://i.imgur.com/PnllU5q.jpeg
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
We started tracking that information in 1900. By 1960 90% of mortality has decreased
Max 700 deaths out of 3,5 million cases a year. What is that, two deaths in 10,000 cases? And did those who died take A, no fever reducers, and isolate with total bed rest?
So over the last 60 years, measles vax has averted 28,000 deaths from measles.
What’s not to like?
CeeCee has been obsessed for a long time. "Stalking" since 2013 (or earlier) - See comment #2. Bothering someone for their book review at Amazon:
https://www.badscience.net/2013/04/how-vaccine-scares-respect-local-cultural-boundaries/
"DeborahCowell said (April 25, 2013)
... I’m not convinced that MMR and autism is insignificant in the US, especially since the arrogant self-publicist that is Wakefield set up his fiefdom there. I happened to write a review on Amazon.com giving my succinct opinion of the ‘children’s’ book Melanie’s Marvelous Measles.. it comes up as the most helpful review. I have been stalked by the antivax crew, in particular one Cia Parker, who thinks vaccinations cause all ills, Wakefield is a demi-god, and that MMR not only causes autism (which in her world did not exist before vaccinations) but maims and kills more than it saves. It was bait of an eye-opener on the American viewpoint, and a rather scary one."
She’s not altered her mind about a single thing in over 12 years… sad.
Millions of cases of autism. Millions of deaths from cancer and heart disease which would have been prevented by natural measles.
Nope. Natural measles doesn’t do that. And even if measles virus did do that, the live virus vaccine would have a similar effect.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
Except it didn't. 95% of mortality rates had decreased before the Vax appeared in the 1960s
That's why your graph omits the first 50 years of records
The math is simple. (well, it is for me anyhow)
There were about 700 deaths each year from measles in the 50s. The rate was pretty constant, and not declining significantly.
vaccines reduced that rate to under 10 per year, and to zero in many years.
So, even using your head (so I don't have to get out my crayons again to show it to you), you can see that over the last 60 years that number would amount to 700 x 60, which is 28,000.
If you start with the medical advice again, I promise that this time I will not hesitate to report you to SubStack.