Be careful Paul. Not everyone takes your word as gospel. You expose a lot of double standards and bias with this kind of attack which is getting old and tired.
"Big Anti-Vax"? What does "Big" mean to you? CHD paid him more than 300K in 2023. CHD offers arguments and research that counter an industry that, at least with regard to vaccines, has an air tight liability shield against any damages their products cause. You really don't think that it is valuable to have an organization that challenges that kind of hegemony? That industry makes hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars a year in revenue. Big Pharma, in other words, is a thousand times more powerful. You are a spokesperson for a behemoth going after the little guy. It's not a good look.
Many of the people who work at CHD are extremely intelligent and have medical training. Of them, there a large proportion who have both medical training and children who have been severely injured by vaccines. They aren't going away. I know. I worked for them for 18 months during the height of the pandemic. And I am a physician who trained at CHoP and UPENN and turned down an academic appointment there 23 years ago. I left a busy clinical practice to take an 80% pay cut to work for an organization that was doing the right thing. So please spare us this attack on CHD. I've spent a lot of hours at HUP and CHoP taking care of patients, walking through the pavilions and tastefully designed lobbies paid for by their marriage with the biggest lobbying industry in this country.
Be careful demanding transparency. To date, your piece of the Rotateq vaccine still is "undisclosed". Why don't YOU first tell us how much you made from that product? I am guessing it's a tad north of $300K. Would you agree?
"RFK Jr. has been steadfast, claiming that vaccines cause autism”.
More exaggeration. His claim has always been that we cannot rule out the possibility that vaccines may have very well led to autism in some situations. Without more research we cannot know. Vaccines are pro inflammatory. There is obviously more than one etiology behind autism and autism-like syndromes. It is generally accepted that it is largely an inflammatory process driven by heretofore unknown mechanisms. Ruling out vaccines without more data is wishful thinking.
“no vaccine is safe and effective”
You have to define what safe and effective is. Is it possible to have different standards? Obviously yes. You yourself in this article state that you have from time to time argued against other members of the ACIP and VRBPAC. Why is it okay for you to have different opinions but not him?
"In an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News, RFK Jr. said that the measles vaccine kills people every year, that it causes deafness and blindness, and that it causes symptoms identical to natural measles. Even during a fatal measles epidemic, RFK Jr. remains deeply in the pocket of Big Anti-Vax."
Are you hoping that none of your readers listen to that interview? Here is what he said:
1) He encouraged people to get the measles vaccine, but it is not without risk because it can cause harm. In other words, he believes the benefit outweighs the risk but don't be fooled by people like you who insist that the risk is zero. It isn't.
2) The measles vaccines wane in efficacy over time, approximately 4% per year. This means that older people, those who received a measles vaccine decades ago may not be as protected as they think.
3) Measles in children under the age of 1 is very dangerous. In the past, children of that age were protected by maternal antibodies that were robust. Now most mothers do not have natural immunity but vaccine acquired immunity which can wane. So there is a downside to a population that doesn't have natural immunity and it very well be leading to morbidity in the most vulnerable group: babies.
4) There have been dozens of measles outbreaks EVERY YEAR. This is nothing new. Why are you using your voice to stoke fear Paul? Do you have something to gain from this distortion of the historical record?
Nevertheless, Kennedy directed the HHS to provide vaccines to the people of TX in the wake of the outbreak. Please explain to us how you justify saying that "Even during a fatal measles epidemic, RFK Jr. remains deeply in the pocket of Big Anti-Vax."
I have attended these VRBPAC meetings remotely. Members are treated to an enormous amount of data that are summarized in complicated graphs and charts curated by the vaccine industry themselves. Almost every single time I have to scream at my computer "ASK a QUESTION FOR GD's SAKE". But no, it rarely happens. You and your fellow advisors simply accept that you are being told the truth and follow up questions are not necessary.
During the lunch hour the committee opens up the floor to public comments. The vast majority of the speakers are begging you to look closer because they are seeing terrible vax injuries in front of them. They cite data that backs them up. Never once have I ever heard you folks acknowledge what you heard. Why? Are you even there for that hour? It's incredible. It's shameful.
"RFK Jr. isn’t bound by science..."
You cannot be serious. You have blasted his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" many times, using it to make your case that he doesn't believe that germs cause disease. That is prima facie ridiculous. Most of the book is about SARS-COV2 and the pandemic. He goes very deep into the science behind pathogens and the their role in pandemics and outbreaks.
Here's a question: If he is all lies and no science, why didn't the vastly powerful pharma industry sue him for libel and expose him to the world? Especially in the autumn of 2021 when there was deep public distrust around anyone who challenged the safe and effective narrative?
Answer: Because the last thing they would want would be to have the evidence for his position offered in open court. That book is backed by over two thousand citations from peer reviewed papers and medical literature as well as statements from the CDC and other agencies of public health. What would happen if a court ruled in favor of Bobby? It's not a risk they were willing to take. They resort to having their spokespeople like you attack him and distort his position.
"...he has never given an unequivocal, hearty endorsement of any vaccine."
True. Why should he? There are harms associated with even the safest medical treatment. It's impossible to give unequivocal endorsement of something that can cause harm unless you are completely brainwashed.
Vaccines are probably the least safe of medical interventions which is even more troublesome because they are given as protective measures and not treatment. Safety standards should be higher when the product is given to a healthy child.
Paul, you have a chance to be a hero in this. Drop this charade. You still have a lot of credibility in the medical orthodoxy. Admit that you have, from time to time, exaggerated and distorted. We are all human and make mistakes. Integrity goes much further than being flawless.
You don't have to say vaccines are harmful or are responsible for many deaths. But in the interest of public health use your voice to disqualify those who scream that we don't need to reexamine things.
It may be possible to make much safer vaccines than we have. What if we devoted some money to identifying the subgroups of children who are prone to having a devastating reaction to a particular vaccine formulation and screened our children first? Maybe certain children need to have the shots spaced out some more. Maybe some need a different formulation. Maybe the risk/benefit profile doesn't favor a certain group.
Parents would be more confident that their child was being properly attended to. Confidence in the medical establishment would be restored. Fewer serious adverse reactions would result. More lives could be saved. Is it really too expensive to even try? How can we arrive at that conclusion when Big Pharma can pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year into advertising and yes, billions of dollars in penalties for harm?
In order to make that happen we need people like you to say sensible things and refrain from these kinds of hit pieces.
Dr. Offit has written extensively on vaccines, the flaws in them and medicine and he has been very transparent about being co inventor of a vaccine. We can not blindly trust everyone with an MD to assume they have training and expertise in vaccines and infectious disease. I think a balanced approach is to listen to experts in the field of each issue rather than everyone with their own expert opinions.
I agree. I think it was very sensible of him to express caution with respect to the Covid Booster if you were young and healthy.
However he continues to make unfounded and exaggerated claims about Secretary Kennedy. In this article he takes a single statement of Kennedy's to claim that he is in the pocket of "Big AntiVax". All one has to do is take two minutes and listen to what he said (Offit provides the link himself) to see that Kennedy supports measles vaccination as a way of protecting children against this disease.
However Kennedy goes much further, explaining that there are risks but the benefit outweighs them. He also states facts about the MMR vaccine's waning efficacy and what results when maternal antibodies from vaccine induced immunity is inferior to that of those from natural immunity leading to a situation we have now where some infants are more vulnerable than in years past.
These are all very reasonable statements. When Dr. Offit instead paints him as an unqualified voice who is dangerous he loses an immense amount of credibility as an objective voice.
Paul Offit could be an even bigger hero when it comes to public health. He, understandably, wants to protect his legacy AND children. My point is that he could play an even bigger role in both of these causes if he would relent with the poorly substantiated attacks and guide RFK Jr. instead of attacking him at every turn.
As a viral immunologist and former vaccine researcher, I say you are full of scat. There was NO scientific reason to deny the shot to kids. And the so-called "boosters" are NOT boosters but whole new shots to new strains of the virus. You do not know what you are talking about....
RFK Jr is dangerous & that is well stated by numerous clinicians and scientists that have valid scientific/medical training and qualifications of which RFK Jr has Zero. JJF Phm 🇨🇦
I have not hidden my truly profound sadness with the destruction of your healthcare system
Trump is a deplorable individual & is no different than a school yard bully & it's mind boggling your elected representatives allow is behaviour to unchecked.
I have limited legal expertise but the American judiciary continues to enable his egregious actions...the list is long
Today I listened to an interview with our retiring chief health officer/administrator.
I continue to practice my profession & I can no longer readily access the CDC for credible information...much easier to navigate than the Canadian Health Canada.
Why...I have to vet the influence & censorship of RFK Jr 😥
"My point is that he could play an even bigger role in both of these causes if he would relent with the poorly substantiated attacks and guide RFK Jr. instead of attacking him at every turn."
GUIDE? Don't make me laugh!
Dr. Paul Offit thought he had done that 20 years ago, only to have RFK junior come out a year later lying about what he had told him and adding numerous lies of his own.
The only way to deal with a pathological liar who is only interested in his personal fame and fortune is to kick it in the head - metaphorically, of course - whenever it sticks up for air.
"He also states facts about the MMR vaccine's waning efficacy and what results when maternal antibodies from vaccine induced immunity is inferior to that of those from natural immunity leading to a situation we have now where some infants are more vulnerable than in years past."
It is just basic counting to see that is wrong.
All you have to do is to count the number of cases in infants before the vaccines were used and after to see how staggeringly wrong he is.
"Safety standards should be higher when the product is given to a healthy child."
They are. How dare you LIE by implication. The safety standards for vaccines are the highest of any pharmaceutical product available.
Stop frigging LYING.
"Paul, you have a chance to be a hero in this. Drop this charade'
The arrogance of ignorant of this antivax arsehole is offensive in the extreme.
Not only does he lie with impunity, and a show of utmost confidence, he pretends that the shoe is on the other foot.
I don't hate anyone, but I detest with a vengeance lying arseholes like this one who use deceitful language to fool uneducated and gullible people like Kathy Maxwell into swallowing every lying word they spew to the detriment of themselves and their children.
There are knowledgeable people - ACTUAL SCIENTISTS - who spend large amounts of their valuable time having to correct the lies that damage the health and lives of people like Kathy Maxwell who are sucked in by their lies, valuable time better used to improve the vaccines and treatments, and to research the diseases that these arseholes are hoping to make more and more prevalent with their outrageous lies.
"use your voice to disqualify those who scream that we don't need to reexamine things."
VACCINATIONS DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM.
WE NO *NOT* NEED TO REEXAMINE THIS.
But this antivax arsehole knows that a "reexamination" will simply cause more VACCINE HESITANCY and less parents vaccinating their children, and that is exactly what this lying arsehole wants.
Yes, absolutely! We should keep blindly trusting the entities and individuals that have repeatedly been found to falsify study results, omitted entire studies from review, bribed regulatory agents and physicians and scientific journals and payed shocking amounts of money in fines over the past couple of decades.
Those egregious errors were in the past and these corporations and individuals are now Salt-Of-The-Earth truthtellers. HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION THEIR INTEGRITY?!?!?!!!!!
"We should keep blindly trusting the entities and individuals that have repeatedly been found to falsify study results, omitted entire studies from review, bribed regulatory agents and physicians and scientific journals"
Many modern scientists follow the money. Most research schools and institutions follow the money. Most of current science is not replicable, which throws a lot of assumptions into question.
A lot of people defend The Science, but I don't see too much thought put into the scientific method and general research ethics.
Any one of the links I've provided should give pause from uncritically accepting whatever the Healthcare and Pharmaceutical industries are trying to sell you. These are not honest and good people.
As far as 'AntiVaxx', that epithet has about as much weight as 'Nazi', 'Communist', 'Conspiracy Theorist' and 'Bigot' nowadays. It means nothing because it is used as a thought-stopper anytime someone is confronted with a provocative and contrarian idea/report. Are some vaccines good? Probably. Are some vaccines dangerous? certainly. Has any meaningful research been done to clarify and certify any of these things? I don't know, you can't trust the institutions or the journals… so… yea.
Do you have examples of those who have "repeatedly been found to falsify study results, omitted entire studies from review"?
The only entities and individuals I could find who have done this with Covid are the antivax pseudoscientists. People like McCullough, Raoult, Kory, Marik etc.
""RFK Jr. has been steadfast, claiming that vaccines cause autism”.
More exaggeration. His claim has always been that we cannot rule out the possibility that vaccines may have very well led to autism in some situations"
RFK jr's words:
"“I do believe that autism does come from vaccines,”
He does not state that vaccines definitely cause autism. He states he believes they do..that is that is his opinion. So people can have their opinion. Like you have yours about everything. You throw around the word “science” like it is some God that we should all understand and follow. Well the “science” that we have been told and mandated to follow over the last few years has been wrong about many things. So understanding the “science” it not some objective evidence that everyone understands and you and Billy Joe who I believe are the same person may be the one who needs to use basic reading skills, is a pathological liar, stupid, illiterate, a mad dog, gullible fool..the name calling is relentless to anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Your degrading comments remind be of a spoiled, undisciplined child whose parents have taught them no respect or tolerance for anything outside of themselves.
You can have your own opinions but not your own facts. When someone in the highest echelons of HHS states an opinion that defies fact, it’s both dangerous and outright harmful as the general public often can not separate opinion from fact. Supposedly our top level public offices are held by people who are supposed to be trustworthy. At least they (mostly) were in the different time space continuum we lived in a few years ago.
Thank you Dr. Setty. I think you speak for many of us who cannot express it so eloquently. I was first introduced to Dr. Paul Offit when he spoke out as a vaccine advisory committee against the bivalent COVID booster. I agreed with him on that and thus subscribed as a non paying subscriber to his Substack. I believe that was the last time, I agreed with much of what he writes about. Since then, and
as far as I can recall, all of his Substack posts have been a diatribe against RFK Jr. it is hard to imagine a man of his credential could spend so much time and energy trying to attack someone in a most dishonest (in my opinion) and egregious way…and which you have pointed out on many circumstances, is down right untrue and “misinformation” as many like to term it. Hit pieces are exactly what these pieces by Offit are, and as you say with his supposed credentials, Offit should try to work with Kennedy to MAHA. One inquiring person would only have to wonder why he is so opposed to what Kennedy is trying to do. It is a mystery to me for sure!
It is very mysterious. I can understand why he could disagree with some of what Kennedy says, but why would he intentionally misrepresent him, over and over and expect that nobody would call it out? Could it be that Offit really believes what he is saying about Kennedy? I simply don't know.
If Dr Setty was to "eloquently" expand on the views he holds regarding HIV/AIDS denialism and his 9/11 Truther conspiracies, would you believe those too?
"all of his [Offit's] Substack posts have been a diatribe against RFK Jr."
A claim easily disproved. You just have to click on his archive to see the list of topics. There have been quite a few on RFK or his impact, but that's unsurprising seeing as how we have so recently had a selection process for head of the HHS and Kennedy's appointment to the position. It would be highly unusual if people don't write commentary on these topics.
Madhava Setty, MD? MD really? I can point you to other MDs who claim that our medicines are full of alien DNA, that sexual problems come from having sex with demons, that the covid vaccine magnetizes people. The degree doesn't tell us much when your words are contrary to what the degree stands for. And, YES, Kennedy has steadily and repeatedly claimed that the MMR vax causes autism!! He has recently hedged his claim so he could be approved by the Senate for his unfortunate position, but given his refusal to deny that the MMR vax has been proven safe, AND his history of lying about it an other vaccines--it is easy to conclude he is lying and YOU are duped....
"It's impossible to give unequivocal endorsement of something that can cause harm unless you are completely brainwashed."'
Listen, you numbskull...
...it is not a question of "harm caused by vaccinations" but of the "harm of vaccinations compared with infections".
Okay, son.
You are not a scientist are you?
"Vaccines are probably the least safe of medical interventions"'
Fucking LIAR.
Vaccinations are the most successful of any medical interventions ever invented -followed closely by antibiotics which, together with medical oxygen, were responsible for most of the decrease in infectious disease deaths before the introduction of the vaccines.
VACCINATIONS HAVE REDUCED 300-500 MEASLES DEATHS EVERY YEAR TO 1 IN 10 YEARS JUST IN THE US
WORLDWIDE VACCINATIONS HAVE SAVED 150 MILLION LIVES OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS
...And yet another screed of nonsense from the individual who is desperate to sound reasonable, but who holds not just antivax views but is a 9/11 Truther and an HIV/AIDS denialist.
"[Pharma has] an air tight liability shield" for vaccines"? ...if that is so, then how come RFK jr is involved in so many legal claims for vaccine damage? ....oopsie!
"Big Pharma, in other words, is a thousand times more powerful [than BigAntivax]"
This is an invalid analogy, and your math is way off...you are comparing the total in Pharma profits from all products to RFK jr's CHD income. How about using a valid comparator...RFK is not the only person making big bucks from antivax activities, and Big Pharma gleans profits from many products other than vaccines. In fact vaccines are a minor element of their overall revenue (8%). https://immunizeforgood.com/fact-or-fiction/big-pharma/
And what RFK jr got paid from his CHD charity ($300k per year, according to you) is still a fraction of what he makes by acting as a lawyer bringing antivaccine lawsuits. For example he makes well north of a million bucks a year from just one law firm (Wisner Baum) for referring cases to them.
"Many of the people who work at CHD are extremely intelligent and have medical training."
Yes, many are intelligent, but many are not. And clever people still can believe stupid things.
You took "an 80% pay cut to work for CHD"? Awww... Now where is that tiny violin when I need one? You still got paid by them, and still have skin in the game. OTOH, I have never received a cent from Big Pharma for my efforts to spread the facts and explain the science about vaccines.
"Why don't YOU first tell us how much you made from that product [Rotateq]?"
As far as I know from prior comments by him, Offit made about $5 million from selling the patent he co-owned with CHOP to Merck around 15 years ago or so. He had spent about 20 years developing the vaccine, which has saved tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives. He didn't make the money out of charitable donations, which is how RFK made much of his.
Offit indeed said that "RFK Jr. has been steadfast, claiming that vaccines cause autism”.
This is not, as you claim, an "exaggeration". It is the truth. He has become very practised at avoiding directly answering questions such as this, particularly since his star has risen politically. But then he is a lawyer after all.
"Without more research we cannot know [that vaccines do not cause autism]."
I used to hold to that position about 15-20 years ago, but as I have seen since that every valid and sound study into the question coming up with no significant evidence that they do cause autism, I have come to accept that they don't. We know what things do causes ASD. It is 85% genetic, and most of the remaining 15% comes via factors exerting an influence in utero, including things like parental age and illnesses in the mother (and even some infections that vaccines can prevent). Vaccines are like the chocolate teapot circling the sun...you can never say there is not one doing so with 100% certainty, and one can never prove a negative, but the vaccine aetiology issue has been pretty well exhauusted.
"He [RFK jr] encouraged people to get the measles vaccine"
Yes, he was speaking out of the side of his mouth, and had his fingers crossed behind his back as he said so. A more half-hearted promotion of measles vaccine during a serious outbreak is hard to imagine. As head of the HHS, he should be right in there, strongly encouraging people to get their kids vaccinated with MMR and reassuring them it is 97% effective and that its benefits greatly outweigh its risks (which are almost negligible).
"The measles vaccines wane in efficacy over time, approximately 4% per year."
I'm unaware that this is so. AFAIK, they bestow lifelong immunity. And even if they did lose 4% of their effectiveness each year, then what would be wrong with a booster for adults anyhow? And if Pharma is so determined to profit at any cost, don't you think they'd be the first to have thought of that strategy?
"Now most mothers do not have natural immunity but vaccine acquired immunity which can wane."
The [infection-induced] transplacental immunity DOES wane in mothers who had natural infection with measles. It vanishes by the time the infant is 4 months old (so there's plenty of time for those infants to get measles while still infants and extremely vulnerable to what you admit is a very dangerous infection in infancy. The study you are presumably citing did show that In infants of vaccinated mothers the immunity wanes by 1-2 months, but this was in infants born to mothers who had been vaccinated with only a *single dose* of MMR. They now get TWO doses, which is bound to result in better transplacental immunity.
"There have been dozens of measles outbreaks EVERY YEAR."
You now sound just like RFK jr. It is not Offit who is "stoking fear", it is RFK jr [and you] who are stoking comploacency. These outbreaks would NOT be happening if more parents gave their kids MMR. All the outbreaks you blithely dismiss are triggered in unvaccinated communities and spread to mainly unvaccinated others.
I bet you also are soneone who thinks that all parents need to do is give vitamins and cod-liver oil and all life will be rosy and measles free. Real life isn't like that.
"It's impossible to give unequivocal endorsement of something that can cause harm unless you are completely brainwashed."
I've news for you Dr Setty. ....NOTHING is completely harmless. Vaccines, as far as medical products go, are among the safest of interventions. RFKjr (and you I suppose also) give unequivocal endorsement to Vitamin A (which cannot prevent measles, but only mitigates it somewhat in those who are malnourished or who have a deficiency). Yet Vitamin A in excess can cause liver damage, and has been recorded as causing deaths. So according to you, logically it should be impossible for RFK to endorse it, yet he does. Can you explain why?
"You don't have to say vaccines are harmful or are responsible for many deaths"
WTF?
WT FLYING F?
And, AS ALWAYS, no comparison with the extraordinarily more DEADLY INFECTION.
Reasonable sounding arseholes like Dr. "Mad Dog" Setty are even more dangerous than those who don't give a fuck how they say it - like that sewer rat, rombios. Especially one who is an MD, though I can hardly believe an MD could be so incredibly ignorant of medical science.
What an absolute arsehole!
MISINFORMATION KILLS.
- AND IT IS MOSTLY OUR CHILDREN THAT IT KILLS.
And it doesn't matter how gently that deadly message is delivered because they are still just as stone, cold dead.
Please take some time to read all the links in this article and spare us at least for a few days from your childish name calling and know it all a attitude. How do you carry that big head of yours around?
You you stop licking his stinking feet, Kathy. You would be doing yourself and your children, and everyone else, a favour if, like me, you kicked Madhava "mad dog" Setty in the head every time he emerged from this Child Health Destruction echo chamber to spread misinformation that KILLS our children. What the hell kind of a doctor does that?
"The vast majority of the speakers are begging you to look closer because they are seeing terrible vax injuries in front of them"
And this is why you attend them REMOTELY - though infortunately not form Siberia.
No, you cannot "see" vaccine injuries right "in front of you", you goddamn idiot. You must study the connection scientifically to see is there is a cause-and-effect relationship between the condition and the vaccination. This is literally Science 101. But you are not a scientist and haven't the slightest idea what science, evidence and due diligence is all about. Otherwise, you wouldn't make such a profoundly unscientific statement.
"[RFK junior] he doesn't believe that germs cause disease."
He is a duplicitous liar. He says "you cannot die of measles if you are healthy. He denies the role of the pathogens in disease. He is a miasma moron, something that was thoroughly debunked a century ago. He lies about healthy children not dying of measles but of bad nutrition. He is a "Germ Theory" denier, you lying arsehole. And you are worse them he is because he is a lawyer, and you are a goddamn MD.
"why didn't the vastly powerful pharma industry sue him for libel and expose him to the world?"
You are friggin' kidding me, right?
Or are you really THAT stupid!
The drug companies make far more money treating disease than preventing it.
Or are you just lying for your arse as usual to make a point and hoping no one notices that you are lying your arse off.
"They resort to having their spokespeople like you attack him and distort his position."
Fuck off, arsehole.
Dr Paul Offit DOES NOT WORK FOR THE DRUG COMPANIES
And you know it.
But guess who works for the Children Health Deceit - created by RFK junior - to spew through your ugly mouth the crap he drops by the bucket load out of his arsehole.
...are complete arseholes trying to harm you and especially your children by blatantly lying about vaccinations that have saved 150 million people over the last 50 years, most of them children.
Just think about that.
If it were up to lying antivax arseholes like Mad Dog Setty, 150 million more children would have died of vaccine-preventable diseases since his mother gave birth to him as a direct result of what he is advocating for.
And we have gullible fools like Kathy Maxwell, fooled by his "eloquence" as she puts it, and most likely a mother herself, kissing his crap encrusted feet.
"To date, your piece of the Rotateq vaccine..."
As if Dr. Paul Offit is wasting his time reading the excrement you smear all over your comments here.
"we cannot rule out the possibility that vaccines may have very well led to autism in some situations."'
"Be careful Paul. Not everyone takes your word as gospel."
Be careful Mad Dog Setty, not everyone takes your word as gospel like your doting acolyte Kathy Maxwell.
"You expose a lot of...."
...RFK junior's lies and duplicity for which we - who actually care for our children - thank you sincerely.
"CHD offers arguments and research..."
...into the best ways to lie to us so we don't vaccinate our children in order to get us back to the time when 300-500 of them died every year - just of measles, in just the US alone!
"an industry that, at least with regard to vaccines, has an air tight liability shield against any damages their products cause"
A blatant lie and this lying antivax arsehole does not care if he lies because he wants your children infected with a virus that kills 1 in 1000 (with medical care in the US) and up to 1 in 10 (without medical care in some African countries).
He is a blatant LIAR:
Drug companies pay 75 cents per vaccine (ie $2.25 for each does of MMR vaccine sold - thanks to Mike for this info). This pays for the "vaccine court" which is the fairest means possible for compensating anyone harmed by a vaccine. And, if you reject their decision, you can take civil action against the drug company. The drug companies can also be sued for manufacturing errors or misrepresenting the safety and efficacy of their vaccines.
This lying antivax arseholes knows all this but deliberately and knowingly lies to you, just like his partner-in-crime, RFK junior..
" What if we devoted some money to identifying the subgroups of children who are prone to having a devastating reaction to a particular vaccine formulation and screened our children first? "
Yeah, not only not a scientist, but clueless about science.
Have you ever heard of a normal distribution curve, Mad Dog Setty?
It applies to almost everything.
Let's just leave the questions and answers to the actual experts shall we.
"Maybe certain children need to have the shots spaced out some more."
NO.
That just means more childhood infections and more childhood deaths.
What is it with this arsehole?
Why is he so eager to get children into the mortuary?
"Maybe some need a different formulation. Maybe the risk/benefit profile doesn't favor a certain group."
Maybe? The arrogant prick thinks none of the hundreds of thousands to people with actual expertise in immunology and vaccinology have ever thought of his stupid novices stupid questions.
Maybe this. Maybe that.
Maybe we can increase vaccine hesitancy with maybe this and maybe that and maybe something else. Anything but keep them healthy and save their lives with what we already have - vaccines that are extraordinarily more safe and effective than the diseases they prevent.
Honestly, I am sick to death of reading the excrement put out by this creature - which is putting the health and lives of our children at risk - with all the displayed incompetence and lies w have seen here, delivered with an air of confidence and self-important arrogance, and I make no apology for my use of the explicit language to express the disgust I feel towards this exasperating imbecile.
Excellent. Here’s a framework for him to reference while coming clean and squaring his own conflicts of interest:
• RFK Jr. has been a prominent anti-vaccination activist and founder of Children's Health Defense, an organization that questions vaccine safety
• He authored the book "The Real Anthony Fauci" which criticizes vaccination policies and public health responses
• He has repeatedly questioned established vaccine science, including claiming connections between vaccines and autism despite scientific consensus to the contrary
• His potential conflicts include his leadership roles in advocacy organizations that oppose vaccination policies he oversees as HHS Secretary
• His public statements about vaccines conflict with the scientific positions of agencies he leads, including the CDC and FDA
• He has financial interests through his anti-vaccine advocacy work, including book sales and fundraising for related organizations
• He has relationships with and support from anti-vaccine groups that could influence policy decisions
* Financial ties to vaccine litigation specifically: RFK Jr. has earned over $2.5 million in referral fees from the law firm WisnerBaum for anti-vaccine lawsuits, including cases against the HPV vaccine Gardasil. He retains a 10% contingency fee from successful cases, which he planned to maintain while serving as HHS Secretary.
•Influence on vaccine-related decisions: As HHS Secretary, Kennedy could potentially sway vaccine-related policies and litigation outcomes, benefiting financially through his arrangement with WisnerBaum.
•Potential misuse of authority: Concerns have been raised that Kennedy might use his position to disseminate anti-vaccine rhetoric, appoint vaccine skeptics to advisory panels, or share FDA data with WisnerBaum to strengthen litigation against pharmaceutical companies
I believe the $2.5 million in referral fees disclosed during the hearing is more likely linked to Wisner Baum and the ongoing glyphosate litigation. Your use of "has been" in describing prominent anti-vaccination activist suggests a shift, whereas "continues to be" would be more accurate—particularly as they still claim that vaccines cause autism.
There are additional aspects that others might overlook, but I immediately recognize—such as “natural fallacies.” These include the flawed logic of equating “natural” with inherently good, whether in the context of natural immunity or so-called “natural” chemicals. Another common misconception is the belief that if a chemical’s name is hard to pronounce, it must be harmful—like riboflavin.
Not to defend synthetic color additives purely for aesthetics, but it's worth noting the widespread opposition to synthetic dyes in favor of natural alternatives. The irony, however, is hard to miss: while RFK Jr. champions "natural" over "synthetic," he still drops [7-(dimethylamino)phenothiazin-3-ylidene]-dimethylazanium;chloride—better known as methylene blue—into his water glass before a flight. Make it make sense?
Gardasil Lawsuits – Alleging the vaccine causes postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) and premature ovarian failure (POF) - RFK Jr’s believe in the connection to vacinces to autism well documented. 🔗https://www.wisnerbaum.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/
Glyphosate Roundup Lawsuits – Known for securing jackpot verdicts/settlements in lymphoma claims. While cancer litigation continues post-settlement for WB, a recently, and again are seeing some promote the idea that glyphosate is responsible for autism. 🔗https://www.wisnerbaum.com/toxic-tort-law/monsanto-roundup-lawsuit/
Wow! I didn't realise that being a litigation lawyer promoting anti-Pharma claims was so lucrative. Over a million $ a year just for glyphosate case referrals? So maybe if we add up ALL of RFK jr's anti Pharma revenue his income might rival Musk's?
What nonsense. NO regulatory agency in the world believes that glyposate causes cancer. The science supports that. AND toxicity studies have shown it to be less toxic than vinegar in multiple animal species!! And no one really cares what YOU believe about Kennedy's relationship to Wisner Baum . He had a chance to distance himself from vax litigation rewards when Liz questioned him. He did not!!
Thanks for reading and for your understanding. Knowledgeable regarding glyphosate, and toxicology is often more complex than just looking at an acute LD50 measurement. https://substack.com/@allthingstox/note/c-98254961
Your an anti-fruitination activist. We can all see you have not added fruit to your avatar despite there being a public health emergency and your country needing you to help fruitinate people.
Yearly covid boosters for children is not science when you look at a risk benefit ratio. What if you are inducing mild myocarditis each year? The argument that natural infection caused more myocarditis in children than the vaccine is simply wrong at this point. Thrombosis with mRNA vaccines is much higher than safety data suggests
You have NO idea what you are talking about. For example, the new shots are NOT boosters but wholly new vaccines directed to wholly new iterations of the virus. Just like the annual flu vax is NOT a booster. Stop spreading your misinformation.
Obviously you do not read immunology journals or understand immunity. You believe the "headlines" and have clearly been indoctrinated. The ACIP only affects a small percentage of the world's population, as other countries clearly have stopped vaccinating children for SARS-COV2. Why don't you read the sum totality of immune science as opposed to merely criticizing with your misinformation. Are you aware of Novavax's original vaccine that provided cross-reactive neutralization protection against delta and omicron? Are you aware of universal flu shot data? are you aware of the population in India and China that do not take annual flu shots? I don't think so. What a waste of time.
LOL...you are a fool. I am a PhD in Immunology. I not only READ the journals, I have published in them. What is YOUR background in medical science. The rest of your rant is nothing but bull scat. Novavax's vax is irrelevant to any comment I made. And universal flu vax research is still ongoing!! And there are many more populations than in China and India that avoid flu vaccines, including in the US. They, and covid anti-vaxers are the ones hardest hit by the viruses. AND you never addressed my comment to you--rather you went off on different rabbit trails--why is that?? YOU do NOT know what you are talking about!!!
Which countries have stopped childhood Covid shots?
Some have removed them from the list of required recommended vaccines on the childhood schedule, but they remain available if parents still wish to give them, and only a couple have completely removed them as an option (ie banned them)
The flu shots were never called vaccines until COVID, because just like the COVID “ vaccines” they don’t really stop flu. But you should keep taking your flu vaccines and all your COVID vaccines.
Your major references are 2024 which is exactly my point. Until recently know one except maybe you said they were getting the flu vaccine. People got a useless flu shot. It was never called a vaccine. Nor was it a vaccine until the definition of vaccine was changed by the CDC during Covid.
That is total nonsense. They have been spoken of as vaccines in the professional literature for ages (you don't read that do you?). And not all vaccines are designed to prevent infection but to prevent serious disease!! The rabies vax is usually given AFTER suspected infection. Several other vaccines against tetanus, pertussis and diptheria are not even made against any pathogen and were never expected to stop any infection. Many cancer vaccines now under development are only intended to be given AFTER the cancer develops and are not intended to prevent anyone from getting cancer. Bottom line is that you do not know what you are talking about!! Quit acting like you do.....
there was no flu vaccine for the Spanish flu. In fact, the medical establishment first thought it was a bacterial disease since they kept isolating bacteria from infected patients......
This gullible fool believes everything lying antivaxxers say and blindly repeats it all, putting all of our children at risk of infection-induced morbidity and mortality.
I am a viral immunologist, retired med school professor and have done vax research. The definition of a vaccine HAS NOT CHANGED. What changed is YOUR simple misunderstanding of what they do!!
So the definition did change during COVID because the COVID vaccines did not provide immunity. They ostensibly only provided protection and that is debatable. You have no idea what I read. Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your throwing around your credentials do nothing to impress me. Why don’t you include your full name so we can verify your credentials.
The purpose of vaccines is clear, and that core definition as to that purpose remains unchanged.
What has changed are the advances that have taken place as science and technology has evolved over the decades/centuries. The definition incorporates these.
Please reference the clinical trial that showed the COVID vaccines were 95% effective against death. The Pfizer clinical trial that resulted in EUA had endpoints that were mild to moderate symptoms in healthy adult subjects. The 95% efficacy was based on that at it was a relative risk not absolute risk. After 5 years, no clinical trials that I am aware of have been conducted to show the COVID vaccines have a 95% protection against death.
Look you might be more educated than me, smarter, more credentials, but I just find it odd that when the Covid “ vaccines” were rolled out and Fauci, Walensky and all the medical community and MSM and the president said, you get your vaccine and it stops there, you will not get COVID nor can you spread COVID. Well none of that proved to be true, so I believe it was September 2020, the CDC changed the definition of what it meant to be vaccinated. It was no longer about immunity, but it was now about protection from severe disease. Seems an unusual coincidence to my simple mind that the “vaccine” that was promoted to stop COVID wasn’t working, so the definition of what working was changed. So with the change in definition, the “ vaccine” was now working, because although everyone was getting COVID they weren’t getting it bad.
When the vaccines were rolled out, the data AT THAT TIME indicated that they were around 80% protective against infection (and 95% protective against death). The scientists did push the message that vaccines did save lives and did prevent infection, and from a public health viewpoint, sending a strong provaccine message was the correct thing to do. That advice did not age well with respect to prevention of infection as protection rates dropped off significantly (to around only 30%) as the virus evolved and became more infectious, and immunity to infection was shown to not be durable. Protection against death remained good.
Changes in the definition of vaccination were made to clarify the issue and provide more detail with respect to how vaccines work. At the time there was a lot of disinformation circulating about vaccines, and claims were being made that covid vaccines were a lot of anomalous things like gene therapies, mind control implants, or that they didn’t fit the antivaxers interpretation of the textbook definitions. Antivaxers assumed (wronngly) that the term “immunity” in the definitions applied purely to immunity from catching infection, and therefore if the Covid vaccines didn’t do this they were not vaccines.
However, as shown above, they DID do that although less well than initially, and if one looks at other accepted vaccines we can see that immunity against infection is often poor, or even non existent (cf tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, flu), which makes the complaints of the antivaxers quite hollow as far as covid vaccines are concerned.
It seems the definition change in 2021 was just a clarification to avoid the deliberate misinterpretation that was doing the rounds. “Immunity” also is “immune response”, and that was changed IIRC. Vaccines have always aimed to reduce infection AND the consequences of infection (such as disease or death). Their definition has continued to evolve and change as the science changes and the technology changes.
Do you think vaccines should still only be defined as scraping cow pox pus into the skin? …Because that is what the first definition was. No, of course not, it changes as medical science finds new ways to tackle infection by stimulating a host immune response. Stop seeing sinister machinations under every bed.
Dr. Friedman thank you for speaking/stating "true to power"...sadly the bully pulpit has become very loud & for some that equates to 'power' JJF Phm 🇨🇦
At least most of the public understands the relative dangers of mRNA vaccines. That is why the sales have plummetted and booster uptake is low despite these folks who want to spew myths. There is plenty of autopsy studies showing thrombosis after sudden death after mRNA vaccine. Even England and Germany is not offering mRNA to young children along with the nordic countries. It is child abuse to expose a 6 month old to covid/flu boosters for 18 years in a row with no long-term data to follow.
Apparently, a simple point is being missed amidst all the lecturing of Dr. Offit: Secretary Kennedy purposely "released" already public information regarding the members of the advisory committee with the expressed intention of suggesting they are financially compromised. This is one step away from dismissing every member for ethical conflicts of interest, which do not exist. Kennedy refers to exposing such "ethical compromises" as "radical transparency," unless it is in reference to himself. He will be responsible for, literally, dismantling one of the greatest aggregations of health scientists in US history, and leave with a profit.
I wish Warren had asked him why he refused to agree not to sue drug companies. If he had righteously answered that he wanted to preserve the right to sue companies that do harm, she could have said, "Understandable, but if you have a financial incentive as you do now, nobody can know for sure if that's the reason you're suing them, or if it's truly because you want to protect the public. So how about if you sue drug companies and win, you agree to give 100% of the money to the "victims" you claim are harmed and take nothing for yourself?" If he refused to do that, we know his motives are unquestionably financial self-enrichment, not concern for others.
It costs a lot of money to sue. That money has to be recovered. If the vaccine is actually safe, then he'll lose the lawsuits. That's the incentive to not continue suing.
What a pathetic troll you are. RFK junior gets paid whether the law firm wins or loses. He is paid for his advocacy and advice.
" If the vaccine is actually safe, then he'll lose the lawsuits"
That is a stupidly false claim. The reason that the "vaccine court" was set up was because drug companies were pulling out of vaccine production and research because of multi-million-dollar lawsuits wins against clearly safe and effective vaccines. Juries are sympathetic towards children and reckon the big drug companies can afford it and they were awarding ridiculously large settlements for conditions that were not even caused by the vaccines.
"That's the incentive to not continue suing."
So, no, you just do not understand how the world works. I hope that at least you are still a teenager finding their way.
I spent the entire first semester of my health and science classes teaching scientific method and thinking. Many of my colleagues believed I wasn't teaching enough facts that students needed for standardized tests, but I also taught my students how to use the information given in all the questions to answer them—and my students scored well even on topics we hadn't gotten to yet in class. I hope my curriculum taught them how to find and critically use accurate sources of information.
I never had the pleasure of going to college. Partly my fault and a very long story. In my next life I’m going to go and I know I’ll exceed. It’s ok though, I have two fantastic daughters that are scientists and I live through them.
Thanks again for clear, well-researched explanations. Transparency and disclosure of conflicts of interest are essential, as is following the data in making decisions and policy.
As long as people are going back and forth between jobs at big Pharma and FDA/CDC no one will righfully believe a word you guys say. That goes double because of the ENDLESS lies told about the Covid vaccine in an effort to push it.
Scott Gottlieb
Patriza Cavazzoni
Those are just a couple that have gone back and forth, but there are many more.
Some like Setty and RFK don't go back and forth, they stick solidly to the antivax propaganda line. Perhaps we should believe them because they never follow the science, or never change their opinions when the scientific facts change?
There is no such thing as "Big Anti-Vaxx." It is not an industry, and it's definitely not designed for profit. Nonprofits care about solvency, and the ability to fulfill mission. But profit? Definitely not. The terms "Big Oil" or "Big Pharma" and other "Big" industry, refer to large, publicly traded companies with global economic power and influence over public policy. Companies are beholden to shareholders and have entirely different incentive structures than nonprofit organizations. So-called "anti-vaxxers" are just everyday people who at one time trusted that vaccines were "safe and effective," until they or a loved one had an adverse event. And like most people who experience adversity, those people started looking into what happened and why so they could help others and hopefully prevent anyone else from having to suffer injuries and deaths. Instead of wasting more of your time attacking "anti-vaxxers" you might want to meet some of them and learn more about what actually motivates them. It's not complicated. We all want the same things -- to be able to live healthy and productive lives. If someone's been injured by a vaccine, or any medical product or procedure for that matter, they're going to start asking some questions and insist on more transparency in order to determine the risk/benefit ratios of future interventions. That's not unreasonable. Also, please stop with the tired arguments about nonprofit CEO salaries being too high. $300,000 is nothing compared to what corporate CEOs earn. Nonprofits also exist in the free market and need to be competitive to attract the best talent.
“Big anti-vax” cabal and a $300k payment - LOL! Offit needs to stop writing & burying himself deeper into a hole. Anyone who is correctly questioning the safety of injecting an absurd amount of chemicals (72 vax) into their healthy children is not listening to your drivel defending a highly corrupt system.
I've asked you before to list each of the 72 vaccines you claim each of your children received in childhood.
This you have refused to do, and you keep lying about how many they got. You admitted none got flu vax for a start, so that is about 17 vaccine shots you need to drop from your total (one each year up to age 18).
I’m not going to publish a picture of my sons vax history unless I was speaking to a serious person. Even if I did you would dig deep into your intellect & say “you’re lying”.
This is the number of vaccines he received up to 18 years of age - required to attend school & even college. Some contained 4 to 7 serotypes in one shot such as meningococcal polysaccharide (A, C, Y, W) TT conjugate; and Pneumococcal Conjugate PCV7 (this one was injected 4 different times).
He's asking for a simple list of vaccinations. Not a photo.
Not a single family we know has children who've received 72 vaccines. Not one. Why did your children get over 50 more vaccines than children in Los Angeles?
If you're telling the truth, surely you'd be able to provide a simple list of the different vaccines your children have received. It's not a big ask.
And anyone that cares about our children would ask health insurance companies and national healthcare systems: who is healthier vaccinated or not vaccinates?
The Amish tend to not be vaccinated for anything, but are healthier than most surrounding population. Caveat - their lifestyle is a primary driver for that, they do more physical labour, lead relatively stress-free lives and eat quality homegrown food, while the rest of us peasants struggle through the rat race, spend too much time sitting and eat atrocious nutritionally sub-par food.
I like it when people mention the Amish, since the claim goes that they are very healthy and don't have autism, and that this is because they don't vaccinate.
However, around 70% of them actually do vaccinate according to the research...so if we know one thing from that - namely that vaccination doesn't cause ill health or autism.
Arseholes who want to see a return of 3 million deaths a years mostly in children need to be kicked in the bum as often as possible for the sake of those children.
"Like all advisory committee members, if the science supports a particular vaccine, we vote yes. If it doesn’t, we vote no. While we don’t always agree, the only consideration is the quality of the science."
I would strongly suggest that if even one person votes "no", the default should OBVIOUSLY be "NO" because in maginal risk/reward decisions the default should be safety until a better vaccine can be created. But I'm sure MONEY is never part of the consideration. Right? Sure? LMAO
We saw cases of people quitting rather than voting YES during Covid when it came to vaccination of children. Only the most naive trust the process.
Thanks again for another great post. I could not believe that the Wisner Baum conflict was not immediately disqualifying. Granted, nearly everything he has said or done the last 10 years is immediately disqualifying for the position as well.
Hilarious, Rambling Rombo, Dr. Paul Offit is so transparent about it that YOU - who knows almost nothing about the topic - know that he invented a rotavirus vaccine.
No, I haven't read any of the books on your list because they were all written by quacks, cranks, or charlatans.
THAT already makes me far more knowledgeable than you before we even start, because thinking crap is true is worse than knowing nothing.
And then there is my background in science, medicine, and critical thinking - the very reasons why I have not wasted the enormous amounts of time that you have reading those books and dumbing yourself down.
>>And YET - you havent read a single book in support of vaccines
You respond with
>No, I haven't read any of the books on your list because they were all written by quacks, cranks, or charlatans.
Are you retarded?
Again, this is what I wrote
>>And YET - you havent read a single book in SUPPORT of vaccines
Where does it imply that I expected you to read the same books I have read?
Are you daft?
Are you seriously admitting publicly that as passionate as you are in support of vaccines; you have never read a book in support of your belief systems?
This is who Profitt pays to police his comment section?
> No, I haven't read any of the books on your list because they were all written by quacks, cranks, or charlatans
English comprehension clearly a problem.
Idiot, I asked you to list the books YOU have read (which implies would have to be polar opposite to mine) that inform your opinion on this subject; you uneducated over paid pharma shill
The only “problem” with regard to big pharma and vaccines is how little incentive there is for them to stay in the market. If only rfk showed the same reticence
Be careful Paul. Not everyone takes your word as gospel. You expose a lot of double standards and bias with this kind of attack which is getting old and tired.
"Big Anti-Vax"? What does "Big" mean to you? CHD paid him more than 300K in 2023. CHD offers arguments and research that counter an industry that, at least with regard to vaccines, has an air tight liability shield against any damages their products cause. You really don't think that it is valuable to have an organization that challenges that kind of hegemony? That industry makes hundreds of BILLIONS of dollars a year in revenue. Big Pharma, in other words, is a thousand times more powerful. You are a spokesperson for a behemoth going after the little guy. It's not a good look.
Many of the people who work at CHD are extremely intelligent and have medical training. Of them, there a large proportion who have both medical training and children who have been severely injured by vaccines. They aren't going away. I know. I worked for them for 18 months during the height of the pandemic. And I am a physician who trained at CHoP and UPENN and turned down an academic appointment there 23 years ago. I left a busy clinical practice to take an 80% pay cut to work for an organization that was doing the right thing. So please spare us this attack on CHD. I've spent a lot of hours at HUP and CHoP taking care of patients, walking through the pavilions and tastefully designed lobbies paid for by their marriage with the biggest lobbying industry in this country.
Be careful demanding transparency. To date, your piece of the Rotateq vaccine still is "undisclosed". Why don't YOU first tell us how much you made from that product? I am guessing it's a tad north of $300K. Would you agree?
"RFK Jr. has been steadfast, claiming that vaccines cause autism”.
More exaggeration. His claim has always been that we cannot rule out the possibility that vaccines may have very well led to autism in some situations. Without more research we cannot know. Vaccines are pro inflammatory. There is obviously more than one etiology behind autism and autism-like syndromes. It is generally accepted that it is largely an inflammatory process driven by heretofore unknown mechanisms. Ruling out vaccines without more data is wishful thinking.
“no vaccine is safe and effective”
You have to define what safe and effective is. Is it possible to have different standards? Obviously yes. You yourself in this article state that you have from time to time argued against other members of the ACIP and VRBPAC. Why is it okay for you to have different opinions but not him?
"In an interview with Sean Hannity on Fox News, RFK Jr. said that the measles vaccine kills people every year, that it causes deafness and blindness, and that it causes symptoms identical to natural measles. Even during a fatal measles epidemic, RFK Jr. remains deeply in the pocket of Big Anti-Vax."
Are you hoping that none of your readers listen to that interview? Here is what he said:
1) He encouraged people to get the measles vaccine, but it is not without risk because it can cause harm. In other words, he believes the benefit outweighs the risk but don't be fooled by people like you who insist that the risk is zero. It isn't.
2) The measles vaccines wane in efficacy over time, approximately 4% per year. This means that older people, those who received a measles vaccine decades ago may not be as protected as they think.
3) Measles in children under the age of 1 is very dangerous. In the past, children of that age were protected by maternal antibodies that were robust. Now most mothers do not have natural immunity but vaccine acquired immunity which can wane. So there is a downside to a population that doesn't have natural immunity and it very well be leading to morbidity in the most vulnerable group: babies.
4) There have been dozens of measles outbreaks EVERY YEAR. This is nothing new. Why are you using your voice to stoke fear Paul? Do you have something to gain from this distortion of the historical record?
Nevertheless, Kennedy directed the HHS to provide vaccines to the people of TX in the wake of the outbreak. Please explain to us how you justify saying that "Even during a fatal measles epidemic, RFK Jr. remains deeply in the pocket of Big Anti-Vax."
I have attended these VRBPAC meetings remotely. Members are treated to an enormous amount of data that are summarized in complicated graphs and charts curated by the vaccine industry themselves. Almost every single time I have to scream at my computer "ASK a QUESTION FOR GD's SAKE". But no, it rarely happens. You and your fellow advisors simply accept that you are being told the truth and follow up questions are not necessary.
During the lunch hour the committee opens up the floor to public comments. The vast majority of the speakers are begging you to look closer because they are seeing terrible vax injuries in front of them. They cite data that backs them up. Never once have I ever heard you folks acknowledge what you heard. Why? Are you even there for that hour? It's incredible. It's shameful.
"RFK Jr. isn’t bound by science..."
You cannot be serious. You have blasted his book "The Real Anthony Fauci" many times, using it to make your case that he doesn't believe that germs cause disease. That is prima facie ridiculous. Most of the book is about SARS-COV2 and the pandemic. He goes very deep into the science behind pathogens and the their role in pandemics and outbreaks.
Here's a question: If he is all lies and no science, why didn't the vastly powerful pharma industry sue him for libel and expose him to the world? Especially in the autumn of 2021 when there was deep public distrust around anyone who challenged the safe and effective narrative?
Answer: Because the last thing they would want would be to have the evidence for his position offered in open court. That book is backed by over two thousand citations from peer reviewed papers and medical literature as well as statements from the CDC and other agencies of public health. What would happen if a court ruled in favor of Bobby? It's not a risk they were willing to take. They resort to having their spokespeople like you attack him and distort his position.
"...he has never given an unequivocal, hearty endorsement of any vaccine."
True. Why should he? There are harms associated with even the safest medical treatment. It's impossible to give unequivocal endorsement of something that can cause harm unless you are completely brainwashed.
Vaccines are probably the least safe of medical interventions which is even more troublesome because they are given as protective measures and not treatment. Safety standards should be higher when the product is given to a healthy child.
Paul, you have a chance to be a hero in this. Drop this charade. You still have a lot of credibility in the medical orthodoxy. Admit that you have, from time to time, exaggerated and distorted. We are all human and make mistakes. Integrity goes much further than being flawless.
You don't have to say vaccines are harmful or are responsible for many deaths. But in the interest of public health use your voice to disqualify those who scream that we don't need to reexamine things.
It may be possible to make much safer vaccines than we have. What if we devoted some money to identifying the subgroups of children who are prone to having a devastating reaction to a particular vaccine formulation and screened our children first? Maybe certain children need to have the shots spaced out some more. Maybe some need a different formulation. Maybe the risk/benefit profile doesn't favor a certain group.
Parents would be more confident that their child was being properly attended to. Confidence in the medical establishment would be restored. Fewer serious adverse reactions would result. More lives could be saved. Is it really too expensive to even try? How can we arrive at that conclusion when Big Pharma can pay hundreds of millions of dollars a year into advertising and yes, billions of dollars in penalties for harm?
In order to make that happen we need people like you to say sensible things and refrain from these kinds of hit pieces.
Dr. Offit has written extensively on vaccines, the flaws in them and medicine and he has been very transparent about being co inventor of a vaccine. We can not blindly trust everyone with an MD to assume they have training and expertise in vaccines and infectious disease. I think a balanced approach is to listen to experts in the field of each issue rather than everyone with their own expert opinions.
I agree. I think it was very sensible of him to express caution with respect to the Covid Booster if you were young and healthy.
However he continues to make unfounded and exaggerated claims about Secretary Kennedy. In this article he takes a single statement of Kennedy's to claim that he is in the pocket of "Big AntiVax". All one has to do is take two minutes and listen to what he said (Offit provides the link himself) to see that Kennedy supports measles vaccination as a way of protecting children against this disease.
However Kennedy goes much further, explaining that there are risks but the benefit outweighs them. He also states facts about the MMR vaccine's waning efficacy and what results when maternal antibodies from vaccine induced immunity is inferior to that of those from natural immunity leading to a situation we have now where some infants are more vulnerable than in years past.
These are all very reasonable statements. When Dr. Offit instead paints him as an unqualified voice who is dangerous he loses an immense amount of credibility as an objective voice.
Paul Offit could be an even bigger hero when it comes to public health. He, understandably, wants to protect his legacy AND children. My point is that he could play an even bigger role in both of these causes if he would relent with the poorly substantiated attacks and guide RFK Jr. instead of attacking him at every turn.
As a viral immunologist and former vaccine researcher, I say you are full of scat. There was NO scientific reason to deny the shot to kids. And the so-called "boosters" are NOT boosters but whole new shots to new strains of the virus. You do not know what you are talking about....
I am referring to offits position with regard to the first booster. It was targeting the Wuhan strain like the primary series.
"Wuhan strain"
That is a term used by racists
There is no such strain.
But what would a lying antivax arsehole like you know.
You are referring to the time of the Alpha and Delta variants, rather than what is sometimes called the original "Wuhan strain".
RFK Jr is dangerous & that is well stated by numerous clinicians and scientists that have valid scientific/medical training and qualifications of which RFK Jr has Zero. JJF Phm 🇨🇦
He knows crooks when he sees them…..
I have not hidden my truly profound sadness with the destruction of your healthcare system
Trump is a deplorable individual & is no different than a school yard bully & it's mind boggling your elected representatives allow is behaviour to unchecked.
I have limited legal expertise but the American judiciary continues to enable his egregious actions...the list is long
Today I listened to an interview with our retiring chief health officer/administrator.
I continue to practice my profession & I can no longer readily access the CDC for credible information...much easier to navigate than the Canadian Health Canada.
Why...I have to vet the influence & censorship of RFK Jr 😥
JJF Phm 🇨🇦
"My point is that he could play an even bigger role in both of these causes if he would relent with the poorly substantiated attacks and guide RFK Jr. instead of attacking him at every turn."
GUIDE? Don't make me laugh!
Dr. Paul Offit thought he had done that 20 years ago, only to have RFK junior come out a year later lying about what he had told him and adding numerous lies of his own.
The only way to deal with a pathological liar who is only interested in his personal fame and fortune is to kick it in the head - metaphorically, of course - whenever it sticks up for air.
As an [ex?] employee of CHD, you would say that though, wouldn't you?
"He also states facts about the MMR vaccine's waning efficacy and what results when maternal antibodies from vaccine induced immunity is inferior to that of those from natural immunity leading to a situation we have now where some infants are more vulnerable than in years past."
It is just basic counting to see that is wrong.
All you have to do is to count the number of cases in infants before the vaccines were used and after to see how staggeringly wrong he is.
"Safety standards should be higher when the product is given to a healthy child."
They are. How dare you LIE by implication. The safety standards for vaccines are the highest of any pharmaceutical product available.
Stop frigging LYING.
"Paul, you have a chance to be a hero in this. Drop this charade'
The arrogance of ignorant of this antivax arsehole is offensive in the extreme.
Not only does he lie with impunity, and a show of utmost confidence, he pretends that the shoe is on the other foot.
I don't hate anyone, but I detest with a vengeance lying arseholes like this one who use deceitful language to fool uneducated and gullible people like Kathy Maxwell into swallowing every lying word they spew to the detriment of themselves and their children.
There are knowledgeable people - ACTUAL SCIENTISTS - who spend large amounts of their valuable time having to correct the lies that damage the health and lives of people like Kathy Maxwell who are sucked in by their lies, valuable time better used to improve the vaccines and treatments, and to research the diseases that these arseholes are hoping to make more and more prevalent with their outrageous lies.
"use your voice to disqualify those who scream that we don't need to reexamine things."
VACCINATIONS DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM.
WE NO *NOT* NEED TO REEXAMINE THIS.
But this antivax arsehole knows that a "reexamination" will simply cause more VACCINE HESITANCY and less parents vaccinating their children, and that is exactly what this lying arsehole wants.
And more children will die
Yes, absolutely! We should keep blindly trusting the entities and individuals that have repeatedly been found to falsify study results, omitted entire studies from review, bribed regulatory agents and physicians and scientific journals and payed shocking amounts of money in fines over the past couple of decades.
Those egregious errors were in the past and these corporations and individuals are now Salt-Of-The-Earth truthtellers. HOW DARE ANYONE QUESTION THEIR INTEGRITY?!?!?!!!!!
"We should keep blindly trusting the entities and individuals that have repeatedly been found to falsify study results, omitted entire studies from review, bribed regulatory agents and physicians and scientific journals"
Examples please.
Thanks,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_pharmaceutical_settlements
Tip of the iceberg 👆
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(04)17334-0/fulltext
https://www.bmj.com/content/350/bmj.h2463
https://blogs.bmj.com/bmj/2021/07/05/time-to-assume-that-health-research-is-fraudulent-until-proved-otherwise/
Many modern scientists follow the money. Most research schools and institutions follow the money. Most of current science is not replicable, which throws a lot of assumptions into question.
A lot of people defend The Science, but I don't see too much thought put into the scientific method and general research ethics.
Do with that what you will.
🫡
Thanks, but where is there even one example in your links of a company that did any of the things you claimed?
GSK is by far the worse--but that was around how they marketed drugs.
In contrast, there are lots of examples of anti-vaccs exactly fabricating data, etc etc....
one example:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/economy/pfizer-agrees-to-pay-60m-to-settle-foreign-bribery-case/2012/08/07/a2426f5e-e0b6-11e1-8fc5-a7dcf1fc161d_story.html
Any one of the links I've provided should give pause from uncritically accepting whatever the Healthcare and Pharmaceutical industries are trying to sell you. These are not honest and good people.
As far as 'AntiVaxx', that epithet has about as much weight as 'Nazi', 'Communist', 'Conspiracy Theorist' and 'Bigot' nowadays. It means nothing because it is used as a thought-stopper anytime someone is confronted with a provocative and contrarian idea/report. Are some vaccines good? Probably. Are some vaccines dangerous? certainly. Has any meaningful research been done to clarify and certify any of these things? I don't know, you can't trust the institutions or the journals… so… yea.
Do you have examples of those who have "repeatedly been found to falsify study results, omitted entire studies from review"?
The only entities and individuals I could find who have done this with Covid are the antivax pseudoscientists. People like McCullough, Raoult, Kory, Marik etc.
""RFK Jr. has been steadfast, claiming that vaccines cause autism”.
More exaggeration. His claim has always been that we cannot rule out the possibility that vaccines may have very well led to autism in some situations"
RFK jr's words:
"“I do believe that autism does come from vaccines,”
Source: https://www.foxnews.com/video/6330950198112
It is not just that you don't understand the science, you also seem to have little idea of what RFK jr has said or done.
He does not state that vaccines definitely cause autism. He states he believes they do..that is that is his opinion. So people can have their opinion. Like you have yours about everything. You throw around the word “science” like it is some God that we should all understand and follow. Well the “science” that we have been told and mandated to follow over the last few years has been wrong about many things. So understanding the “science” it not some objective evidence that everyone understands and you and Billy Joe who I believe are the same person may be the one who needs to use basic reading skills, is a pathological liar, stupid, illiterate, a mad dog, gullible fool..the name calling is relentless to anyone who doesn’t agree with you. Your degrading comments remind be of a spoiled, undisciplined child whose parents have taught them no respect or tolerance for anything outside of themselves.
You can have your own opinions but not your own facts. When someone in the highest echelons of HHS states an opinion that defies fact, it’s both dangerous and outright harmful as the general public often can not separate opinion from fact. Supposedly our top level public offices are held by people who are supposed to be trustworthy. At least they (mostly) were in the different time space continuum we lived in a few years ago.
The topic was Madhava grossly misrepresenting RFK jr's words.
There is now a very long list of examples of Madhava not reading or counting correctly--why don't you care?
Thank you Dr. Setty. I think you speak for many of us who cannot express it so eloquently. I was first introduced to Dr. Paul Offit when he spoke out as a vaccine advisory committee against the bivalent COVID booster. I agreed with him on that and thus subscribed as a non paying subscriber to his Substack. I believe that was the last time, I agreed with much of what he writes about. Since then, and
as far as I can recall, all of his Substack posts have been a diatribe against RFK Jr. it is hard to imagine a man of his credential could spend so much time and energy trying to attack someone in a most dishonest (in my opinion) and egregious way…and which you have pointed out on many circumstances, is down right untrue and “misinformation” as many like to term it. Hit pieces are exactly what these pieces by Offit are, and as you say with his supposed credentials, Offit should try to work with Kennedy to MAHA. One inquiring person would only have to wonder why he is so opposed to what Kennedy is trying to do. It is a mystery to me for sure!
" It is a mystery to me for sure!"
Easy, RFK jr's BS endangers children's lives.
Sadly, some folks just don't care.
It is very mysterious. I can understand why he could disagree with some of what Kennedy says, but why would he intentionally misrepresent him, over and over and expect that nobody would call it out? Could it be that Offit really believes what he is saying about Kennedy? I simply don't know.
Hey, I can't understand why you won't use your basic reading skills and see the facts..............................
Stop supporting a pathological liar, you mad dog, Setty.
You disgust me with your blatant lies.
"Thank you Dr. Setty"
what did I say about this gullible fool blindly believing everything lying antivaxxers say.
MISINFORMATION KILLS - PLEASE STOP.
If Dr Setty was to "eloquently" expand on the views he holds regarding HIV/AIDS denialism and his 9/11 Truther conspiracies, would you believe those too?
I haven’t heard them.
Oh, he holds those views. Easily confirmed, in fact he refers to the HIV issue in his opening comment on the Galileo article.
And a simple internet search on Setty’s name will lead you to his 9/11 Truther views.
"all of his [Offit's] Substack posts have been a diatribe against RFK Jr."
A claim easily disproved. You just have to click on his archive to see the list of topics. There have been quite a few on RFK or his impact, but that's unsurprising seeing as how we have so recently had a selection process for head of the HHS and Kennedy's appointment to the position. It would be highly unusual if people don't write commentary on these topics.
Madhava Setty, MD? MD really? I can point you to other MDs who claim that our medicines are full of alien DNA, that sexual problems come from having sex with demons, that the covid vaccine magnetizes people. The degree doesn't tell us much when your words are contrary to what the degree stands for. And, YES, Kennedy has steadily and repeatedly claimed that the MMR vax causes autism!! He has recently hedged his claim so he could be approved by the Senate for his unfortunate position, but given his refusal to deny that the MMR vax has been proven safe, AND his history of lying about it an other vaccines--it is easy to conclude he is lying and YOU are duped....
"It's impossible to give unequivocal endorsement of something that can cause harm unless you are completely brainwashed."'
Listen, you numbskull...
...it is not a question of "harm caused by vaccinations" but of the "harm of vaccinations compared with infections".
Okay, son.
You are not a scientist are you?
"Vaccines are probably the least safe of medical interventions"'
Fucking LIAR.
Vaccinations are the most successful of any medical interventions ever invented -followed closely by antibiotics which, together with medical oxygen, were responsible for most of the decrease in infectious disease deaths before the introduction of the vaccines.
VACCINATIONS HAVE REDUCED 300-500 MEASLES DEATHS EVERY YEAR TO 1 IN 10 YEARS JUST IN THE US
WORLDWIDE VACCINATIONS HAVE SAVED 150 MILLION LIVES OVER THE PAST 50 YEARS
Stop lying, arsehole.
...And yet another screed of nonsense from the individual who is desperate to sound reasonable, but who holds not just antivax views but is a 9/11 Truther and an HIV/AIDS denialist.
"[Pharma has] an air tight liability shield" for vaccines"? ...if that is so, then how come RFK jr is involved in so many legal claims for vaccine damage? ....oopsie!
"Big Pharma, in other words, is a thousand times more powerful [than BigAntivax]"
This is an invalid analogy, and your math is way off...you are comparing the total in Pharma profits from all products to RFK jr's CHD income. How about using a valid comparator...RFK is not the only person making big bucks from antivax activities, and Big Pharma gleans profits from many products other than vaccines. In fact vaccines are a minor element of their overall revenue (8%). https://immunizeforgood.com/fact-or-fiction/big-pharma/
And what RFK jr got paid from his CHD charity ($300k per year, according to you) is still a fraction of what he makes by acting as a lawyer bringing antivaccine lawsuits. For example he makes well north of a million bucks a year from just one law firm (Wisner Baum) for referring cases to them.
"Many of the people who work at CHD are extremely intelligent and have medical training."
Yes, many are intelligent, but many are not. And clever people still can believe stupid things.
You took "an 80% pay cut to work for CHD"? Awww... Now where is that tiny violin when I need one? You still got paid by them, and still have skin in the game. OTOH, I have never received a cent from Big Pharma for my efforts to spread the facts and explain the science about vaccines.
"Why don't YOU first tell us how much you made from that product [Rotateq]?"
As far as I know from prior comments by him, Offit made about $5 million from selling the patent he co-owned with CHOP to Merck around 15 years ago or so. He had spent about 20 years developing the vaccine, which has saved tens, if not hundreds of thousands of lives. He didn't make the money out of charitable donations, which is how RFK made much of his.
Offit indeed said that "RFK Jr. has been steadfast, claiming that vaccines cause autism”.
This is not, as you claim, an "exaggeration". It is the truth. He has become very practised at avoiding directly answering questions such as this, particularly since his star has risen politically. But then he is a lawyer after all.
"Without more research we cannot know [that vaccines do not cause autism]."
I used to hold to that position about 15-20 years ago, but as I have seen since that every valid and sound study into the question coming up with no significant evidence that they do cause autism, I have come to accept that they don't. We know what things do causes ASD. It is 85% genetic, and most of the remaining 15% comes via factors exerting an influence in utero, including things like parental age and illnesses in the mother (and even some infections that vaccines can prevent). Vaccines are like the chocolate teapot circling the sun...you can never say there is not one doing so with 100% certainty, and one can never prove a negative, but the vaccine aetiology issue has been pretty well exhauusted.
"He [RFK jr] encouraged people to get the measles vaccine"
Yes, he was speaking out of the side of his mouth, and had his fingers crossed behind his back as he said so. A more half-hearted promotion of measles vaccine during a serious outbreak is hard to imagine. As head of the HHS, he should be right in there, strongly encouraging people to get their kids vaccinated with MMR and reassuring them it is 97% effective and that its benefits greatly outweigh its risks (which are almost negligible).
"The measles vaccines wane in efficacy over time, approximately 4% per year."
I'm unaware that this is so. AFAIK, they bestow lifelong immunity. And even if they did lose 4% of their effectiveness each year, then what would be wrong with a booster for adults anyhow? And if Pharma is so determined to profit at any cost, don't you think they'd be the first to have thought of that strategy?
"Now most mothers do not have natural immunity but vaccine acquired immunity which can wane."
The [infection-induced] transplacental immunity DOES wane in mothers who had natural infection with measles. It vanishes by the time the infant is 4 months old (so there's plenty of time for those infants to get measles while still infants and extremely vulnerable to what you admit is a very dangerous infection in infancy. The study you are presumably citing did show that In infants of vaccinated mothers the immunity wanes by 1-2 months, but this was in infants born to mothers who had been vaccinated with only a *single dose* of MMR. They now get TWO doses, which is bound to result in better transplacental immunity.
"There have been dozens of measles outbreaks EVERY YEAR."
You now sound just like RFK jr. It is not Offit who is "stoking fear", it is RFK jr [and you] who are stoking comploacency. These outbreaks would NOT be happening if more parents gave their kids MMR. All the outbreaks you blithely dismiss are triggered in unvaccinated communities and spread to mainly unvaccinated others.
I bet you also are soneone who thinks that all parents need to do is give vitamins and cod-liver oil and all life will be rosy and measles free. Real life isn't like that.
"It's impossible to give unequivocal endorsement of something that can cause harm unless you are completely brainwashed."
I've news for you Dr Setty. ....NOTHING is completely harmless. Vaccines, as far as medical products go, are among the safest of interventions. RFKjr (and you I suppose also) give unequivocal endorsement to Vitamin A (which cannot prevent measles, but only mitigates it somewhat in those who are malnourished or who have a deficiency). Yet Vitamin A in excess can cause liver damage, and has been recorded as causing deaths. So according to you, logically it should be impossible for RFK to endorse it, yet he does. Can you explain why?
Wow - you have lot more time than sense! An MD too!!
What patent nonsense. Why don't you go after the anti-vaxers who whine about "big pharma" you hypocrite.....
BUT THIS TAKES THE CAKE:
"You don't have to say vaccines are harmful or are responsible for many deaths"
WTF?
WT FLYING F?
And, AS ALWAYS, no comparison with the extraordinarily more DEADLY INFECTION.
Reasonable sounding arseholes like Dr. "Mad Dog" Setty are even more dangerous than those who don't give a fuck how they say it - like that sewer rat, rombios. Especially one who is an MD, though I can hardly believe an MD could be so incredibly ignorant of medical science.
What an absolute arsehole!
MISINFORMATION KILLS.
- AND IT IS MOSTLY OUR CHILDREN THAT IT KILLS.
And it doesn't matter how gently that deadly message is delivered because they are still just as stone, cold dead.
Please take some time to read all the links in this article and spare us at least for a few days from your childish name calling and know it all a attitude. How do you carry that big head of yours around?
https://open.substack.com/pub/amandhavollmer/p/76-vaccine-studies-and-more?r=wgq8&utm_medium=ios
You you stop licking his stinking feet, Kathy. You would be doing yourself and your children, and everyone else, a favour if, like me, you kicked Madhava "mad dog" Setty in the head every time he emerged from this Child Health Destruction echo chamber to spread misinformation that KILLS our children. What the hell kind of a doctor does that?
"I have attended these VRBPAC meetings remotely.'
Not remote enough.
From Siberia would be appropriate.
"The vast majority of the speakers are begging you to look closer because they are seeing terrible vax injuries in front of them"
And this is why you attend them REMOTELY - though infortunately not form Siberia.
No, you cannot "see" vaccine injuries right "in front of you", you goddamn idiot. You must study the connection scientifically to see is there is a cause-and-effect relationship between the condition and the vaccination. This is literally Science 101. But you are not a scientist and haven't the slightest idea what science, evidence and due diligence is all about. Otherwise, you wouldn't make such a profoundly unscientific statement.
"[RFK junior] he doesn't believe that germs cause disease."
He is a duplicitous liar. He says "you cannot die of measles if you are healthy. He denies the role of the pathogens in disease. He is a miasma moron, something that was thoroughly debunked a century ago. He lies about healthy children not dying of measles but of bad nutrition. He is a "Germ Theory" denier, you lying arsehole. And you are worse them he is because he is a lawyer, and you are a goddamn MD.
"why didn't the vastly powerful pharma industry sue him for libel and expose him to the world?"
You are friggin' kidding me, right?
Or are you really THAT stupid!
The drug companies make far more money treating disease than preventing it.
Or are you just lying for your arse as usual to make a point and hoping no one notices that you are lying your arse off.
"They resort to having their spokespeople like you attack him and distort his position."
Fuck off, arsehole.
Dr Paul Offit DOES NOT WORK FOR THE DRUG COMPANIES
And you know it.
But guess who works for the Children Health Deceit - created by RFK junior - to spew through your ugly mouth the crap he drops by the bucket load out of his arsehole.
"the people who work at CHD....."
...are complete arseholes trying to harm you and especially your children by blatantly lying about vaccinations that have saved 150 million people over the last 50 years, most of them children.
Just think about that.
If it were up to lying antivax arseholes like Mad Dog Setty, 150 million more children would have died of vaccine-preventable diseases since his mother gave birth to him as a direct result of what he is advocating for.
And we have gullible fools like Kathy Maxwell, fooled by his "eloquence" as she puts it, and most likely a mother herself, kissing his crap encrusted feet.
"To date, your piece of the Rotateq vaccine..."
As if Dr. Paul Offit is wasting his time reading the excrement you smear all over your comments here.
"we cannot rule out the possibility that vaccines may have very well led to autism in some situations."'
VACCINES DO NOT CAUSE AUTISM ARSEHOLE!
Stop your lying.
MISINFORMATION KILLS.
"You are a spokesperson for a behemoth going after the little guy."
This antivax arsehole is still lying to you.
Dr. Paul Offit holds drug companies to account by demanding
- transparency.
- pre-trial studies in cell cultures and animal models.
- phase I, II, and III clinical trials.
- 2 years if post marketing surveillance studies.
- post-marketing pharmacovigilance studies.
- heavy government regulation of the drug companies.
- heavy fines for any transgressions of the regulations.
Dr. Offit literally looks after the "little guys" - he is a paediatrician!
I've got no idea what this so-called MD does but keep the arsehole away from your children. He is a goddamn health hazard!
"Be careful Paul. Not everyone takes your word as gospel."
Be careful Mad Dog Setty, not everyone takes your word as gospel like your doting acolyte Kathy Maxwell.
"You expose a lot of...."
...RFK junior's lies and duplicity for which we - who actually care for our children - thank you sincerely.
"CHD offers arguments and research..."
...into the best ways to lie to us so we don't vaccinate our children in order to get us back to the time when 300-500 of them died every year - just of measles, in just the US alone!
"an industry that, at least with regard to vaccines, has an air tight liability shield against any damages their products cause"
A blatant lie and this lying antivax arsehole does not care if he lies because he wants your children infected with a virus that kills 1 in 1000 (with medical care in the US) and up to 1 in 10 (without medical care in some African countries).
He is a blatant LIAR:
Drug companies pay 75 cents per vaccine (ie $2.25 for each does of MMR vaccine sold - thanks to Mike for this info). This pays for the "vaccine court" which is the fairest means possible for compensating anyone harmed by a vaccine. And, if you reject their decision, you can take civil action against the drug company. The drug companies can also be sued for manufacturing errors or misrepresenting the safety and efficacy of their vaccines.
This lying antivax arseholes knows all this but deliberately and knowingly lies to you, just like his partner-in-crime, RFK junior..
I can tell you are not a medical doctor. You do not understand even simple, fundamental immunology.
" What if we devoted some money to identifying the subgroups of children who are prone to having a devastating reaction to a particular vaccine formulation and screened our children first? "
Yeah, not only not a scientist, but clueless about science.
Have you ever heard of a normal distribution curve, Mad Dog Setty?
It applies to almost everything.
Let's just leave the questions and answers to the actual experts shall we.
"Maybe certain children need to have the shots spaced out some more."
NO.
That just means more childhood infections and more childhood deaths.
What is it with this arsehole?
Why is he so eager to get children into the mortuary?
"Maybe some need a different formulation. Maybe the risk/benefit profile doesn't favor a certain group."
Maybe? The arrogant prick thinks none of the hundreds of thousands to people with actual expertise in immunology and vaccinology have ever thought of his stupid novices stupid questions.
Maybe this. Maybe that.
Maybe we can increase vaccine hesitancy with maybe this and maybe that and maybe something else. Anything but keep them healthy and save their lives with what we already have - vaccines that are extraordinarily more safe and effective than the diseases they prevent.
Honestly, I am sick to death of reading the excrement put out by this creature - which is putting the health and lives of our children at risk - with all the displayed incompetence and lies w have seen here, delivered with an air of confidence and self-important arrogance, and I make no apology for my use of the explicit language to express the disgust I feel towards this exasperating imbecile.
Excellent. Here’s a framework for him to reference while coming clean and squaring his own conflicts of interest:
• RFK Jr. has been a prominent anti-vaccination activist and founder of Children's Health Defense, an organization that questions vaccine safety
• He authored the book "The Real Anthony Fauci" which criticizes vaccination policies and public health responses
• He has repeatedly questioned established vaccine science, including claiming connections between vaccines and autism despite scientific consensus to the contrary
• His potential conflicts include his leadership roles in advocacy organizations that oppose vaccination policies he oversees as HHS Secretary
• His public statements about vaccines conflict with the scientific positions of agencies he leads, including the CDC and FDA
• He has financial interests through his anti-vaccine advocacy work, including book sales and fundraising for related organizations
• He has relationships with and support from anti-vaccine groups that could influence policy decisions
* Financial ties to vaccine litigation specifically: RFK Jr. has earned over $2.5 million in referral fees from the law firm WisnerBaum for anti-vaccine lawsuits, including cases against the HPV vaccine Gardasil. He retains a 10% contingency fee from successful cases, which he planned to maintain while serving as HHS Secretary.
•Influence on vaccine-related decisions: As HHS Secretary, Kennedy could potentially sway vaccine-related policies and litigation outcomes, benefiting financially through his arrangement with WisnerBaum.
•Potential misuse of authority: Concerns have been raised that Kennedy might use his position to disseminate anti-vaccine rhetoric, appoint vaccine skeptics to advisory panels, or share FDA data with WisnerBaum to strengthen litigation against pharmaceutical companies
I believe the $2.5 million in referral fees disclosed during the hearing is more likely linked to Wisner Baum and the ongoing glyphosate litigation. Your use of "has been" in describing prominent anti-vaccination activist suggests a shift, whereas "continues to be" would be more accurate—particularly as they still claim that vaccines cause autism.
There are additional aspects that others might overlook, but I immediately recognize—such as “natural fallacies.” These include the flawed logic of equating “natural” with inherently good, whether in the context of natural immunity or so-called “natural” chemicals. Another common misconception is the belief that if a chemical’s name is hard to pronounce, it must be harmful—like riboflavin.
Not to defend synthetic color additives purely for aesthetics, but it's worth noting the widespread opposition to synthetic dyes in favor of natural alternatives. The irony, however, is hard to miss: while RFK Jr. champions "natural" over "synthetic," he still drops [7-(dimethylamino)phenothiazin-3-ylidene]-dimethylazanium;chloride—better known as methylene blue—into his water glass before a flight. Make it make sense?
For reference and potential conflicts:
Baby Food Lawsuits – Alleging heavy metals cause autism spectrum disorder (ASD) and ADHD. 🔗https://www.wisnerbaum.com/toxic-baby-food-lawsuit-autism-adhd/
Gardasil Lawsuits – Alleging the vaccine causes postural orthostatic tachycardia syndrome (POTS) and premature ovarian failure (POF) - RFK Jr’s believe in the connection to vacinces to autism well documented. 🔗https://www.wisnerbaum.com/prescription-drugs/gardasil-lawsuit/
Glyphosate Roundup Lawsuits – Known for securing jackpot verdicts/settlements in lymphoma claims. While cancer litigation continues post-settlement for WB, a recently, and again are seeing some promote the idea that glyphosate is responsible for autism. 🔗https://www.wisnerbaum.com/toxic-tort-law/monsanto-roundup-lawsuit/
Wow! I didn't realise that being a litigation lawyer promoting anti-Pharma claims was so lucrative. Over a million $ a year just for glyphosate case referrals? So maybe if we add up ALL of RFK jr's anti Pharma revenue his income might rival Musk's?
What nonsense. NO regulatory agency in the world believes that glyposate causes cancer. The science supports that. AND toxicity studies have shown it to be less toxic than vinegar in multiple animal species!! And no one really cares what YOU believe about Kennedy's relationship to Wisner Baum . He had a chance to distance himself from vax litigation rewards when Liz questioned him. He did not!!
I think you might have misunderstood Brian Mathison's comment.
He is talking about JFK junior's COI.
Thanks for reading and for your understanding. Knowledgeable regarding glyphosate, and toxicology is often more complex than just looking at an acute LD50 measurement. https://substack.com/@allthingstox/note/c-98254961
Very well stated...thank you for taking the time, which I am confident is precious. JJF Phm 🇨🇦
Your an anti-fruitination activist. We can all see you have not added fruit to your avatar despite there being a public health emergency and your country needing you to help fruitinate people.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kijIKuZZpWs
Please stop your BS posts. They are not helping.
Stop being so selfish and put your fruit avatar on. It's only a fruit avatar. It is the least you could do to help save lives.
Yearly covid boosters for children is not science when you look at a risk benefit ratio. What if you are inducing mild myocarditis each year? The argument that natural infection caused more myocarditis in children than the vaccine is simply wrong at this point. Thrombosis with mRNA vaccines is much higher than safety data suggests
You have NO idea what you are talking about. For example, the new shots are NOT boosters but wholly new vaccines directed to wholly new iterations of the virus. Just like the annual flu vax is NOT a booster. Stop spreading your misinformation.
Obviously you do not read immunology journals or understand immunity. You believe the "headlines" and have clearly been indoctrinated. The ACIP only affects a small percentage of the world's population, as other countries clearly have stopped vaccinating children for SARS-COV2. Why don't you read the sum totality of immune science as opposed to merely criticizing with your misinformation. Are you aware of Novavax's original vaccine that provided cross-reactive neutralization protection against delta and omicron? Are you aware of universal flu shot data? are you aware of the population in India and China that do not take annual flu shots? I don't think so. What a waste of time.
David Friedman <--- "What a waste of time".
Correction of the list of lies of this antivax liar:
- covid boosters for children satisfies the risk/benefit assessment.
- infection-induced myocarditis is 7 times more common and 5 times more likely to be severe compared with vaccine-induced myocarditis.
- thrombosis is NOT an adverse effect of the mRNA vaccines. Zero cases. Maybe this bozo is confusing the mRNA vaccines with the VV vaccines.
- the ACIP decides which vaccines are recommended in the entire US.
- unlike other countries, the US does not have a universal health care system and has rampant inequality between rich and poor, white and black.
The silly thing ends his second comment JAQing off like a mad dog.
LOL...you are a fool. I am a PhD in Immunology. I not only READ the journals, I have published in them. What is YOUR background in medical science. The rest of your rant is nothing but bull scat. Novavax's vax is irrelevant to any comment I made. And universal flu vax research is still ongoing!! And there are many more populations than in China and India that avoid flu vaccines, including in the US. They, and covid anti-vaxers are the ones hardest hit by the viruses. AND you never addressed my comment to you--rather you went off on different rabbit trails--why is that?? YOU do NOT know what you are talking about!!!
"as other countries clearly have stopped vaccinating children for SARS-COV2"
Exactly which countries?
So you were making things up when you said that other countries have stopped vaccinating children.
Got it!
Which countries have stopped childhood Covid shots?
Some have removed them from the list of required recommended vaccines on the childhood schedule, but they remain available if parents still wish to give them, and only a couple have completely removed them as an option (ie banned them)
The flu shots were never called vaccines until COVID, because just like the COVID “ vaccines” they don’t really stop flu. But you should keep taking your flu vaccines and all your COVID vaccines.
"The flu shots were never called vaccines until COVID,"
Sigh......once again, it is impossible to have basic reading skills--and integrity--and to fall for the anti-vacc lies:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/?term=influenza+vaccine&filter=years.1918-2018&sort=date
Your major references are 2024 which is exactly my point. Until recently know one except maybe you said they were getting the flu vaccine. People got a useless flu shot. It was never called a vaccine. Nor was it a vaccine until the definition of vaccine was changed by the CDC during Covid.
https://www.johnlocke.org/the-cdc-changed-its-definitions-of-vaccine-and-vaccination-and-keeps-changing-its-definition-of-fully-vaccinated/
That is total nonsense. They have been spoken of as vaccines in the professional literature for ages (you don't read that do you?). And not all vaccines are designed to prevent infection but to prevent serious disease!! The rabies vax is usually given AFTER suspected infection. Several other vaccines against tetanus, pertussis and diptheria are not even made against any pathogen and were never expected to stop any infection. Many cancer vaccines now under development are only intended to be given AFTER the cancer develops and are not intended to prevent anyone from getting cancer. Bottom line is that you do not know what you are talking about!! Quit acting like you do.....
Flu vaccines have been termed “vaccines” since forever, almost.
Didn’t you know your idol RFKjr blamed the 1918 Spanish Flu pandemic on the Flu vaccine?
(OK, it wasn’t in use then, but it’s a good way to show how both of you are lying)🤥
there was no flu vaccine for the Spanish flu. In fact, the medical establishment first thought it was a bacterial disease since they kept isolating bacteria from infected patients......
Lying hound.
This gullible fool believes everything lying antivaxxers say and blindly repeats it all, putting all of our children at risk of infection-induced morbidity and mortality.
So is pertussis vaccine a vaccine?
Is tetanus vaccine a vaccine?
…according to you, no they aren’t.
Well that's totally false. Do you even know what a vaccine is?
Which definition Mike? Crazy how it has changed over the past few years.
I am a viral immunologist, retired med school professor and have done vax research. The definition of a vaccine HAS NOT CHANGED. What changed is YOUR simple misunderstanding of what they do!!
Well said.
So the definition did change during COVID because the COVID vaccines did not provide immunity. They ostensibly only provided protection and that is debatable. You have no idea what I read. Maybe you don’t know what you’re talking about. Your throwing around your credentials do nothing to impress me. Why don’t you include your full name so we can verify your credentials.
The purpose of vaccines is clear, and that core definition as to that purpose remains unchanged.
What has changed are the advances that have taken place as science and technology has evolved over the decades/centuries. The definition incorporates these.
It's funny how stereotypically dimwitted and wrong you are, about everything related to this topic.
https://open.substack.com/pub/petermcculloughmd/p/debunked-millions-saved-covid-19?r=wgq8&utm_medium=ios
"Yearly covid boosters for children is not science when you look at a risk benefit ratio."
Please provide the risk benefit analysis.
Please reference the clinical trial that showed the COVID vaccines were 95% effective against death. The Pfizer clinical trial that resulted in EUA had endpoints that were mild to moderate symptoms in healthy adult subjects. The 95% efficacy was based on that at it was a relative risk not absolute risk. After 5 years, no clinical trials that I am aware of have been conducted to show the COVID vaccines have a 95% protection against death.
What definition? The one they changed during Covid.
Newsflash… the definition of what comprises a “vaccine” has changed each time there have been advances in vaccine technology.
…or do you insist that the definition of “vaccine” is only applicable when some cowpox pus is scratched into your arm?
Look you might be more educated than me, smarter, more credentials, but I just find it odd that when the Covid “ vaccines” were rolled out and Fauci, Walensky and all the medical community and MSM and the president said, you get your vaccine and it stops there, you will not get COVID nor can you spread COVID. Well none of that proved to be true, so I believe it was September 2020, the CDC changed the definition of what it meant to be vaccinated. It was no longer about immunity, but it was now about protection from severe disease. Seems an unusual coincidence to my simple mind that the “vaccine” that was promoted to stop COVID wasn’t working, so the definition of what working was changed. So with the change in definition, the “ vaccine” was now working, because although everyone was getting COVID they weren’t getting it bad.
When the vaccines were rolled out, the data AT THAT TIME indicated that they were around 80% protective against infection (and 95% protective against death). The scientists did push the message that vaccines did save lives and did prevent infection, and from a public health viewpoint, sending a strong provaccine message was the correct thing to do. That advice did not age well with respect to prevention of infection as protection rates dropped off significantly (to around only 30%) as the virus evolved and became more infectious, and immunity to infection was shown to not be durable. Protection against death remained good.
Changes in the definition of vaccination were made to clarify the issue and provide more detail with respect to how vaccines work. At the time there was a lot of disinformation circulating about vaccines, and claims were being made that covid vaccines were a lot of anomalous things like gene therapies, mind control implants, or that they didn’t fit the antivaxers interpretation of the textbook definitions. Antivaxers assumed (wronngly) that the term “immunity” in the definitions applied purely to immunity from catching infection, and therefore if the Covid vaccines didn’t do this they were not vaccines.
However, as shown above, they DID do that although less well than initially, and if one looks at other accepted vaccines we can see that immunity against infection is often poor, or even non existent (cf tetanus, diphtheria, pertussis, flu), which makes the complaints of the antivaxers quite hollow as far as covid vaccines are concerned.
It seems the definition change in 2021 was just a clarification to avoid the deliberate misinterpretation that was doing the rounds. “Immunity” also is “immune response”, and that was changed IIRC. Vaccines have always aimed to reduce infection AND the consequences of infection (such as disease or death). Their definition has continued to evolve and change as the science changes and the technology changes.
Do you think vaccines should still only be defined as scraping cow pox pus into the skin? …Because that is what the first definition was. No, of course not, it changes as medical science finds new ways to tackle infection by stimulating a host immune response. Stop seeing sinister machinations under every bed.
Dr. Friedman thank you for speaking/stating "true to power"...sadly the bully pulpit has become very loud & for some that equates to 'power' JJF Phm 🇨🇦
At least most of the public understands the relative dangers of mRNA vaccines. That is why the sales have plummetted and booster uptake is low despite these folks who want to spew myths. There is plenty of autopsy studies showing thrombosis after sudden death after mRNA vaccine. Even England and Germany is not offering mRNA to young children along with the nordic countries. It is child abuse to expose a 6 month old to covid/flu boosters for 18 years in a row with no long-term data to follow.
Silence?
So you don' care that the anti-vaccs lied to you!
Sigh....
"Even England and Germany is not offering mRNA to young children along with the nordic countries. "
Nope.
Both England and Germany start vaccinating children from 6+ months of age.
There is just an anti-vacc fraud that tricked folks like you into believing a bunch of lies.
https://www.bundesgesundheitsministerium.de/en/coronavirus/faq-covid-19-vaccination.html
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-vaccination-spring-booster-resources/a-guide-to-the-covid-19-spring-booster-2023
Apparently, a simple point is being missed amidst all the lecturing of Dr. Offit: Secretary Kennedy purposely "released" already public information regarding the members of the advisory committee with the expressed intention of suggesting they are financially compromised. This is one step away from dismissing every member for ethical conflicts of interest, which do not exist. Kennedy refers to exposing such "ethical compromises" as "radical transparency," unless it is in reference to himself. He will be responsible for, literally, dismantling one of the greatest aggregations of health scientists in US history, and leave with a profit.
Amen!
I wish Warren had asked him why he refused to agree not to sue drug companies. If he had righteously answered that he wanted to preserve the right to sue companies that do harm, she could have said, "Understandable, but if you have a financial incentive as you do now, nobody can know for sure if that's the reason you're suing them, or if it's truly because you want to protect the public. So how about if you sue drug companies and win, you agree to give 100% of the money to the "victims" you claim are harmed and take nothing for yourself?" If he refused to do that, we know his motives are unquestionably financial self-enrichment, not concern for others.
It costs a lot of money to sue. That money has to be recovered. If the vaccine is actually safe, then he'll lose the lawsuits. That's the incentive to not continue suing.
"It costs a lot of money to sue"
What a pathetic troll you are. RFK junior gets paid whether the law firm wins or loses. He is paid for his advocacy and advice.
" If the vaccine is actually safe, then he'll lose the lawsuits"
That is a stupidly false claim. The reason that the "vaccine court" was set up was because drug companies were pulling out of vaccine production and research because of multi-million-dollar lawsuits wins against clearly safe and effective vaccines. Juries are sympathetic towards children and reckon the big drug companies can afford it and they were awarding ridiculously large settlements for conditions that were not even caused by the vaccines.
"That's the incentive to not continue suing."
So, no, you just do not understand how the world works. I hope that at least you are still a teenager finding their way.
We have failed at teaching science and critical thinking in school.
I spent the entire first semester of my health and science classes teaching scientific method and thinking. Many of my colleagues believed I wasn't teaching enough facts that students needed for standardized tests, but I also taught my students how to use the information given in all the questions to answer them—and my students scored well even on topics we hadn't gotten to yet in class. I hope my curriculum taught them how to find and critically use accurate sources of information.
I never had the pleasure of going to college. Partly my fault and a very long story. In my next life I’m going to go and I know I’ll exceed. It’s ok though, I have two fantastic daughters that are scientists and I live through them.
Thanks again for clear, well-researched explanations. Transparency and disclosure of conflicts of interest are essential, as is following the data in making decisions and policy.
Speechless. Hopeless. What is a citizen to do ? Sen Cassidy, a physician, flipped to confirm RFK after assurances from JD Vance. Still
Measles rage and not a word from the WH.
THis is a crock of crap.
As long as people are going back and forth between jobs at big Pharma and FDA/CDC no one will righfully believe a word you guys say. That goes double because of the ENDLESS lies told about the Covid vaccine in an effort to push it.
Scott Gottlieb
Patriza Cavazzoni
Those are just a couple that have gone back and forth, but there are many more.
And has Offit gone back and forth?
Some like Setty and RFK don't go back and forth, they stick solidly to the antivax propaganda line. Perhaps we should believe them because they never follow the science, or never change their opinions when the scientific facts change?
My favorite is former CDC director Dr Julie Gerbeding who left after 10 years to head up a division in Merck.
Its like the head of LA county police leaving to join the Latin Kings
Is it unusual for someone with great expertise to be snapped up by the private sector once their Government employment has ended?
Great expertise 😃😃😃 So the fox guarding the hen house has great expertise ? To do what for the otherside ?
Think carefully before you answer
Explain to the dags hanging off your arse hairs how a scientist influences the CDC AFTER they have left the CDC.
This is way over your head idiot.
Imagine asking a question as stupid as you have just posed?
Go back to sleep moron
rombios <-- "moron"
You could have just been honest and said you don't know, but I guess that's not what a pathological liar does.
Lies even when it could help him to tell the truth.
(Okay, not really)
WC <-- "THis is a crock of crap"
This bozo is completely unaware of the layers of approval involved in getting a vaccine to market and then having it endorsed through the CDC and FDA.
Can you believe they are still denying COVID stands for Citrus Orange Varieties Instant Date?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvBfHwUxHIk
There is no such thing as "Big Anti-Vaxx." It is not an industry, and it's definitely not designed for profit. Nonprofits care about solvency, and the ability to fulfill mission. But profit? Definitely not. The terms "Big Oil" or "Big Pharma" and other "Big" industry, refer to large, publicly traded companies with global economic power and influence over public policy. Companies are beholden to shareholders and have entirely different incentive structures than nonprofit organizations. So-called "anti-vaxxers" are just everyday people who at one time trusted that vaccines were "safe and effective," until they or a loved one had an adverse event. And like most people who experience adversity, those people started looking into what happened and why so they could help others and hopefully prevent anyone else from having to suffer injuries and deaths. Instead of wasting more of your time attacking "anti-vaxxers" you might want to meet some of them and learn more about what actually motivates them. It's not complicated. We all want the same things -- to be able to live healthy and productive lives. If someone's been injured by a vaccine, or any medical product or procedure for that matter, they're going to start asking some questions and insist on more transparency in order to determine the risk/benefit ratios of future interventions. That's not unreasonable. Also, please stop with the tired arguments about nonprofit CEO salaries being too high. $300,000 is nothing compared to what corporate CEOs earn. Nonprofits also exist in the free market and need to be competitive to attract the best talent.
"Big Anti-Vaxx." Is a matter of opinion. It is a fact that there are anti-vaccs making million$ each year.
Questioning vaccines is a rational responsible thing to do.
An anti-vacc is a person that doesn't care what the facts are but is only interested in mindless/dishonest criticisms of vaccines.
Lying arsehole.
19 of the top 20 substancks during the pandemic were by antivax arseholes trying to kill us for person fame and fortune.
Substack subscriptions alone generate $millions for antivax "influencers"
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/jan/27/anti-vaxxers-making-at-least-25m-a-year-from-publishing-on-substack
“Big anti-vax” cabal and a $300k payment - LOL! Offit needs to stop writing & burying himself deeper into a hole. Anyone who is correctly questioning the safety of injecting an absurd amount of chemicals (72 vax) into their healthy children is not listening to your drivel defending a highly corrupt system.
I've asked you before to list each of the 72 vaccines you claim each of your children received in childhood.
This you have refused to do, and you keep lying about how many they got. You admitted none got flu vax for a start, so that is about 17 vaccine shots you need to drop from your total (one each year up to age 18).
Shall I talk about your other lies?
I’m not going to publish a picture of my sons vax history unless I was speaking to a serious person. Even if I did you would dig deep into your intellect & say “you’re lying”.
Here again are the vaccines:
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/hcp/imz-schedules/child-adolescent-age.html
It is not possible to get 72 vaccines--because there aren't that many!
You just have to list the vaccines each of them got.
You claim that your kids (some of whom were infants when the vaccine schedule recommended 26 individual vaccine shots) got 72 vaccines.
That is clearly impossible. It's like when RFK blamed the Spanish Flu epidemic of 1918 on the flu vaccine (which wasn't even invented then!)
I can understand your reluctance at listing any vaccines...to do so would confirm you are lying. But we already know that from what you have said.
This is the number of vaccines he received up to 18 years of age - required to attend school & even college. Some contained 4 to 7 serotypes in one shot such as meningococcal polysaccharide (A, C, Y, W) TT conjugate; and Pneumococcal Conjugate PCV7 (this one was injected 4 different times).
This is the definition of vaccine--right from 1986 law:
"Vaccine The term “vaccine” means any substance designed to be administered to a human being for the prevention of 1 or more diseases."
https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=26-USC-222761909-1963936815&term_occur=999&term_src=
MMR.....DTaP.......etc are by definition one vaccine each.
4 to 7 serotypes - but how many valents?
PCV7 would have been 2000 and 2009.
He's asking for a simple list of vaccinations. Not a photo.
Not a single family we know has children who've received 72 vaccines. Not one. Why did your children get over 50 more vaccines than children in Los Angeles?
If you're telling the truth, surely you'd be able to provide a simple list of the different vaccines your children have received. It's not a big ask.
Oh dear....there still are NOT 72 vaccines.
And anyone that cares about our children would ask health insurance companies and national healthcare systems: who is healthier vaccinated or not vaccinates?
The Amish. 🙃
Thanks.
What about the Amish?
The Amish tend to not be vaccinated for anything, but are healthier than most surrounding population. Caveat - their lifestyle is a primary driver for that, they do more physical labour, lead relatively stress-free lives and eat quality homegrown food, while the rest of us peasants struggle through the rat race, spend too much time sitting and eat atrocious nutritionally sub-par food.
Thanks, but.......Amish are a bit less likely to vaccinate--only 4% not vaccinating their children.
https://journals.lww.com/pidj/fulltext/2006/12000/vaccination_usage_among_an_old_order_amish.16.aspx
It is other lifestyle factors that are driving their health status.
I like it when people mention the Amish, since the claim goes that they are very healthy and don't have autism, and that this is because they don't vaccinate.
However, around 70% of them actually do vaccinate according to the research...so if we know one thing from that - namely that vaccination doesn't cause ill health or autism.
"Offit needs to stop writing"
You wish.
Arseholes who want to see a return of 3 million deaths a years mostly in children need to be kicked in the bum as often as possible for the sake of those children.
"Like all advisory committee members, if the science supports a particular vaccine, we vote yes. If it doesn’t, we vote no. While we don’t always agree, the only consideration is the quality of the science."
I would strongly suggest that if even one person votes "no", the default should OBVIOUSLY be "NO" because in maginal risk/reward decisions the default should be safety until a better vaccine can be created. But I'm sure MONEY is never part of the consideration. Right? Sure? LMAO
We saw cases of people quitting rather than voting YES during Covid when it came to vaccination of children. Only the most naive trust the process.
Thanks again for another great post. I could not believe that the Wisner Baum conflict was not immediately disqualifying. Granted, nearly everything he has said or done the last 10 years is immediately disqualifying for the position as well.
inventor of the rotavirus "vaccine" (toxin) lecturing others about transparency. Thats rich!!!
Poor rombios........no matter how many times the definition is provided, you just can't read:
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toxin
Thanks for continuing to prove how stupid the anti-vacc lies are!
This criticism from someone who claims viruses don't exist, and who is an HIV denier....that's rich!!!
Never made any such claim. But they did
https://open.substack.com/pub/drmikeyeadon/p/fph-the-arguments-for-no-virus
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-mike-yeadon-im-officially-done
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-mike-yeadon-im-officially-done
Based on the research of Dr Samantha and Mark Bailey and the writings of Dr Andrew Kaufman.
Do you believe those cranks?
Yes or No?
Can you answer, or are you too ashamed to admit you don’t believe viruses exist.
Hilarious, Rambling Rombo, Dr. Paul Offit is so transparent about it that YOU - who knows almost nothing about the topic - know that he invented a rotavirus vaccine.
No stupid.
I know that he invented a rotavirus vaccine because I have read books written; that draw attention to that fact - you moron.
Try reading for a change - idiot
rombios <-- " ... stupid ... moron ... idiot ... "
This lying antivax troll has read every book written by every quack, crank, and charlatan on the planet.
More stupid, moronic, and idiotic than if he had read nothing.
Someone please improve this tint tot's IQ and pass him a comic.
And YET - you havent read a single book in support of vaccines.
Which means everything you know about this subject is through television PROGRAMMING
Don Quixote
No, I haven't read any of the books on your list because they were all written by quacks, cranks, or charlatans.
THAT already makes me far more knowledgeable than you before we even start, because thinking crap is true is worse than knowing nothing.
And then there is my background in science, medicine, and critical thinking - the very reasons why I have not wasted the enormous amounts of time that you have reading those books and dumbing yourself down.
You are regular Jack D. Ripper.
I wrote
>>And YET - you havent read a single book in support of vaccines
You respond with
>No, I haven't read any of the books on your list because they were all written by quacks, cranks, or charlatans.
Are you retarded?
Again, this is what I wrote
>>And YET - you havent read a single book in SUPPORT of vaccines
Where does it imply that I expected you to read the same books I have read?
Are you daft?
Are you seriously admitting publicly that as passionate as you are in support of vaccines; you have never read a book in support of your belief systems?
This is who Profitt pays to police his comment section?
> No, I haven't read any of the books on your list because they were all written by quacks, cranks, or charlatans
English comprehension clearly a problem.
Idiot, I asked you to list the books YOU have read (which implies would have to be polar opposite to mine) that inform your opinion on this subject; you uneducated over paid pharma shill
English comprehension 101; you idiot
Show us your provaccine/vaccine effective
books; you moron
The only “problem” with regard to big pharma and vaccines is how little incentive there is for them to stay in the market. If only rfk showed the same reticence
Brain worm jr is sickening
Senator Warren said this to RFK jr:
“You could publish your anti-vaccine conspiracies…on U.S. government letterhead – something a jury might be impressed by.”
Guess what?
….His antivax organisation CHD has already gone and published a forged CDC letterheaded page declaring MMR vaccine causes autism.
Fortunately this was picked up and complaints have led to its withdrawal.
But this is an example of just how low the antivaxers will stoop. If you need to lie to convince someone of your POV, you’ve lost the argument.
https://substack.com/redirect/b8b6c195-5218-4883-b045-d3c0608a16bf?j=eyJ1IjoiMmVxb292In0.Tyw9Kyx377xWaMiA3BjVsur7WP0N5nCZ4UT3fup2p38