Mr. Kennedy, if you get sepsis, MRSA or any other infection with a high mortality rate, will you take antibiotics? Mr. Kennedy, if you get bit by a rabid animal, will you get the rabies vaccine?
Mr. Kennedy, are you aware of the fatality rate of most infectious diseases prior to the discovery/invention of antibiotics, antivirals, and vaccines, back when humans ate healthy unprocessed food and exercised a great deal?
How embarrassing that you somehow think in an unreal binary way where you are either fully into conventional medicine or fully into alternatives...as though there was no middle ground...or varying situations for each person and for each health challenge. This over-simplicity shows literally no intellectual substance.
RFK promises to not allow physicians or scientists to sit on FDA or CDC committees if they receive any financial support from Big Pharma. Are you NOT supportive of this higher degree of ethics and conflict of interest? Your answer (or non-answer) will be very telling.
Federal agencies have been captured by the corporations that the agencies are supposed to regulate. BIg Pharma doesn't like this...and Big Media is doing ALL it can to protect its biggest advertiser. Good for RFK!
I know, really? Better to have a someone working so selflessly towards "children's defense" while taking a very humble and modest $2.2 million for himself.
I forgot, does Yahoo count as "mainstream"? It's so confusing because the highest rated news (Fox), podcast (Rogan), and social media (Twitter) platforms are in fact the plucky outsiders trying to bring truth to the masses.
Can I ask a question regarding the financing of the Federal Aviation Administration? Although seems irrelevant, bear with me.
I’m in the U.K. and our equivalent, the Civil Aviation Authority, is funded 100% by the industries they regulate.
Our equivalent of the FDA, the MHRA, is 85% funded by the industries they regulate.
In fact, all of our regulatory bodies including those regulating the professions like nurses, doctors and paramedics, are required by law to obtain most if not all of their funding from the people they regulate.
Finally, the United States did not have the problems with thalidomide that we had in the U.K. because the FDA didn’t approve it, the predecessor to the MHRA was only brought into existence in 1964 as a direct result of thalidomide.
LOL! Why a “medical decree?” so he can bamboozle like Offit? hide behind a credential? slap on a white coat.., look at me. look at me! i’m possess the truth! follow me! see my degree you dummy
Go ahead and see Dana Ullman next time you are sick, or have a medical emergency. Dont bother calling 911. Last thing you want is people who have actually studied and practiced medicine caring for you.
Paul...You are either pretending to misunderstand or you truly misunderstand RFK's questioning of germ theory. Germs do not "cause" disease but are a "co-factor" to disease. If germs "caused" disease, then, everyone who got infected with a germ would get a disease...but we KNOW that this isn't true. Many of us have strep in our throat, pneumonococcus in our bronchials, and cancer cells in different places in our bodies...but our own immune and defense system keeps these pathological agents in check.
Anyone can get "infected," but only those people who are "susceptible" will actually get the disease. This is basic infecdious disease 101, and when you over-simplify RFK's (and others') systemic understanding of infectious disease, it makes YOU look like a fool, not him.
Sounds like a distinction without a difference in the real world that I live in filled with pathogens. In any case, I see no evidence that Kennedy's understanding on this topic is is anything but simplistic.
It sounds like you don't have a clue about what RFK says or thinks (a common symptom of people who believe everything that the MSM says...my condolences).
Agree. As an aside, I always crack up when I hear nonsense about "believe everything the MSM says". Fox News openly boasts, incessantly, about how they have the highest ratings among news networks. Twitter openly boasts about their high numbers of active users compared to other social media sites. Joe Rogan boasts of being the most listened-to podcast. The level of hypocrisy, or maybe it's just willful ignorance/stupidity, in bragging about having the highest ratings while calling other sources "mainstream" is mind-boggling.
And what RFK Jr says and writes is out there in the open. No "MSM" involved. He has openly promoted the debunked theory on a link between childhood vaccines and autism, openly stated his feelings that the covid vaccine was "the deadliest vaccine ever made", or that HIV may not cause AIDS (holy crap!), and yes a doubt in goddamned germ theory!
My sympathies to you in your over-simplification of the media. First, Fox News is NOT a credible source...but MSNBC isn't either.
As for vaccines and autism, I guess that you don't know about the CDC's Senior Scientist William Thompson, PhD. He was an author of one of the most authoritative studies on the MMR vaccine and autism. He has admitted that his team falsified data to show no relationship between vaccines and autism, and Dr. Thompson has achieved "whistlerblower status," but NO American President since Obama has allowed him to speak.
RFK has much higher standards around research than others because he is not financially conflicted by Big Pharma...just as he was successfuly in suing Monsanto for $280 million for their Roundup product. Needless to say, one does not win such huge judgments with "misinformation." Actually, it is Monsanto and Big Pharma who are the larger proveyors of misinformation.
No need for sympathy! I live in reality. It's a wonderful place!
I certainly agree that fox is not credible. I never actually mentioned anything about MSNBC, but whatever. Just continue that conversation in your head I guess.
The study Thompson was a part of was not "one of the most authoritative studies on the MMR vaccine and autism". Again, just because you hear something bouncing around a lot inside of a social media echo chamber doesnt make it more or less authoritative than others.
Granted, he never said data was "falsified", and what in the world are you talking about with regards to presidents not allowing him to speak???
In fact, he has openly spoke out via press release:
"I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless
lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines
prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed
by their individual and societal benefits."
RFK Jr absolutely does NOT have "higher standards around research"! That's like saying flat-earthers have deeper insight into air/space travel than astrophysicists. He has repeatedly demonstrated this via his repeated nonsensical claims of a link between vaccines and autism, his HIV denialism, his lack of understanding of what VAERS data represents, etc etc etc.
Like you, he gets his "standard around research" is basically what he hears bounced around on line and that fits with whatever conspiracy theory he is trying to promote. Not actual science.
This is another of those things that everybody knows, except those who think RFKJr and his ilk are unique in having discovered them or brave in exposing the conspiracy to deny them; for another instance, the idea that despite his erroneous ideas, RFKJr is the man, because he's the only one saying that people should eat right and get exercise, something the medical industry conspiracy has kept hidden for too long because they profit from treating the ill. You know how whenever you visit a doctor, they tell you to take it easy, spend more time on the couch, and treat yourself to some junk food, right?
Anyway, definition of "causing a disease":
"Generally, the agent must be present for disease to occur; however, presence of that agent alone is not always sufficient to cause disease. A variety of factors influence whether exposure to an organism will result in disease, including the organism’s pathogenicity (ability to cause disease) and dose."
However, when a pathogen is new, like H1N1 in 1919 or Ebola in 1976, no one’s immune system is able to cope effectively, and mortality is very high. Regardless of nutritional status.
I disagree with Kennedy. HIV obviously causes AIDS, which is a horrifying disease. I’m glad that retrovirals can help patients live for many years.
I have encountered many who don’t believe in the “germ theory,” Kennedy is not the only one. I don’t understand their stance at all. While many germs are harmless, even beneficial, many are dangerous.
Good nutrition and avoidance of toxic substances are important, but in many cases not sufficient to withstand dangerous diseases caused by bacteria, viruses, fungus, or parasites. Half of Europe was killed by the Black Plague, even the well-nourished rich. Between 50 and 100 million killed by the Spanish flu, with healthy, well-nourished young adults suffering the highest mortality. Total mortality is uncertain because so many villages in Asia were completely wiped out, without a single survivor. And not because all the dead had taken too much aspirin.
Vaccines can be either life-saving or life-destroying, or just problematic in their effect on the immune system. It’s not the case that anyone should take all that are offered. Each must be considered carefully, most rejected. But if there had been an effective and often apparently safe vaccine for H1N1 at the time of the Spanish flu, I would have taken it. By 1922, I would not have, because by then everyone in the world had antibodies from natural exposure, and people’s immune systems had learned how to cope.
It's significant here that RFKJr is one of the skeptics that HIV causes AIDS.
"Germs" is, of course, not a biological term, and is used in general speech to include things like, bacteria, fungi, and viruses.
There is some truth to the fact that we are colonized with a lot of bacteria who could potentially cause disease, but often do not. And that bacteria can often take advantage of a disease or infection that they did not cause, to move in.
Fungi, even more so; if you've ever tried to "cure" yourself of a fungus only to have it return, you know how fungi can also colonize us without actual disease.
So far, good for the "it's not germs" concept. But viruses...
Viruses do not quietly colonize everybody. We do not have billions of viruses on our skin or guts or respiratory tract waiting for us to weaken. We get viral diseases when somebody wafts a virus in our direction and it hits us. It may or may not launch a successful infection, but you can have no immune system at all and you won't catch a viral disease unless somebody infects you.
This puts a crimp into the point of view the infectious disease is actually your immune system weakening, which of course is your own fault for not doing healthy stuff, and the "germs" are just there anyway, and just take advantage of your internal disease state.
And editing their theory to say, "except viruses of course," while not impossible scientifically, would take all the wind out of it as moralistic belief that Nature loves you and wouldn't have things that would kill you, so you're bringing it on yourself. And how would that prove that their health is a badge of their moral superiority?
Not all bacteria or viruses are pathogenic. Not everyone develops disease from the same pathogen. For example 90+% of the adult population are infected with Epstein Barr virus, but not everyone develops infectious mononucleosis.
If you have a fever, reduced appetite and lethargy then you are likely to be infected with a virus, but unless you develop specific signs then you do not have a disease, those initial symptoms are the result of your innate immune system responding to the infection.
Disease is a collection of symptoms (described by the infected person) and signs (observed by someone other than the patients).
Measles is diagnosed by the rash.
Chicken pox is diagnosed by the rash
Rubella is diagnosed by the rash
Mumps is diagnosed by the swelling of specific areas of the neck
Without these specific signs, the best diagnosis is a viral infection of unknown origin.
Vaccines protect against disease, but they do not prevent infection.
Not strictly true. We do harbor some viruses without getting sick and not everyone infected by a pathogenic virus develops an overt disease. And yes, our immune system is quite good at protecting us. Nonetheless, viruses without doubt cause disease, and vaccines are the best approach to making sure our immune systems are capable of preventing or at least diminishing disease. Unfortunately, RFK understands none of this and doesn’t appear interested in searching for facts or truth, just confirming his preconceived notions.
So, drinking "raw" milk is more "natural" than drinking pasteurized milk in the same way drinking raw river water in a large city is more "natural" than drinking bottled water...with similar outcomes, no doubt.
If Ivanka came down with some life-threatening virus, and high fever, who would Trump call? Mehmet Oz, who would check her horoscope? One of the con artists who promote HCG or ivermectin? Or how about a faith healer?
I’m saddened that you’ve read a book that challenges your narrative and your response is to focus on two little comments about germs and infection which don’t seem in conflict with your understanding.
In other words, it feels like you’re making a big to do about nothing, which is what everybody does nowadays to gain their position. The real question is, how do we create healthy human beings?
Are we more healthy? Are our children more healthy with more vaccines?
I can definitely say that children are not more healthy right now. Is it red dye three or the other 2000 additives we allow in our foods that Europeans do not is it the crappy pesticides we use on the food sold in grocery stores? Is it the spray on organic foods in stores? What’s making us sick?
What I do know is Anthony Fauci created a deadly protocol in hospitals that killed many. That made healthcare workers leave their field because they didn’t want to kill people and their administration said they must. By creating a killing field in the hospital now more than half of America doesn’t trust their doctors doesn’t trust going to the hospital.
Why would Anthony Fauci create a deadly protocol for AIDS in the 80s? I mean if you look in the 80s, he was saying we should wear masks inside so we wouldn’t infect each other with AIDS. He used the exact same playbook in the 80s. It just didn’t take as well.
And now again, we had a pandemic based on him wanting to make money. That’s it that’s the only reason to kill people in the hospitals with remdesivir which causes renal failure. Do you remember the beginning of the pandemic when the New York doctors would give their daily reports? And they were like we’ve never seen a virus do so much damage to the renal system…. Oh, but wait, fauci had already instituted remdesivir as the only treatment. He also pushed ventilators. Healthy people who are having a little trouble breathing were pushed on the ventilators to die.
Even now there is still benefit for people being put on ventilators and dying. Hospitals still get an up charge for that.
Imagine the mental sickness it takes to push a vaccine by killing people with a drug that was pulled from the Ebola study. Fauci is a very sick man.
But he got his wish now most of the world has been injected with modified RNA, which we now know spreads to other people (which was known before from all the other studies with mrna). So we have all of these people that have this crap in them now that’s clotting up their blood. We still have excess mortality maybe it’s from the virus that was created in a Fauci lab or maybe it’s from the vaccines that were created so that Fauci could be a hero. But what I do know is that people died unnecessarily and it was wrong.
And I am thankful for people like RFK Junior who’s willing to stand up and say maybe we shouldn’t let people die.
A book that challenges a narrative assumes that book is based in reality and not outright fabrications because conspiracy theories and pseudoscience sell to the ignorant, contrarian masses.
If the book had fabrications, Fauci would sue. But he hasn’t… bc RFK jr backs up all the Fauci facts with citations. People died because Fauci wanted fame. The pardon… going back to 2014… the year Obama banned gain of function… is quite telling. How dare fauci make hospital protocols that would kill so many. He made a toxic renal failure causing drug the only choice for hospitals to treat our family and friends. He withheld drugs that did work, like budesomide. Now, hospitals are more dangerous. Even doctors are suggesting a family member stay with patients…. Like one must stay with a family member in developing countries. Greatness.
Also DJT went to Penn. Can the university or medical write to their distinguished alum ? Barton is at NYU. Ivanka Georgetown. Maybe these med schools will object ?
How about ask him: Do you believe that childhood vaccines CURE intellectual disability or learning disability? Because if you are using the fact that autism diagnoses have increased significantly over the past 40 years as evidence that vaccines cause autism, then surely you would apply the same logic to say that vaccines have the opposite effect on intellectual/learning disability, since those rates declined by a similar amount as autism diagnoses rose over the same time period.
If not, why not? Why would a rise indicate that the correlation is causation, but a decline not also indicate a causation?
OR.... crazy thought, but just maybe this is an example of diagnostic substitution. In other words, what we used to consider intellectual/learning disability is now recognized as autism. What we used to think was just extreme shyness was actually autism. What we thought (cruelly) was just, "that kid's weird" was actually autism. Because of the introduction of diagnostic criteria in the early 80s, and also the rise in awareness.
lol! Offit in full panic mode. so great to see. he keeps parading out same old discredited canned smearing “aids denialist” blah blah.. keep it going offit! keep spewing the same nonsense! show us all your wisdom! you the man!! lol! Finally Offit/CDC propaganda seeing the light of day!
The health of the nation under the existing model of ever more drugs and vaccines has gotten worse, how will the introduction of even more of the same thing make it better? I guess a place to start is do you agree the health of the nation is worse? Do you agree as an example that autism rates have increased since 1986? If you agree that the health of the nation including kids under 18 has gotten worse how would you propose to get to the root cause(s) of this issue? In your mind what items should be on the table to explore if they are a contributing factor to the problem and are there any items that should be excluded from that review and if so why?
Where are all the 70 year old autistic people? All Wakefield concluded in the top line of their study was that the matter warranted more study. Vaccines don’t prevent spread, we saw this with Covid in a big way, the same is true for polio etc. vaccines should be a choice, those that want them great, those that don’t the same. And then there should be a real effort to understand the total overall health of both groups. Doesn’t seem like anything terrified phamra more than vaxx verse unvaxxed studies. They have all the data, if the vaxxed were overwhelming more healthy the information would be spread Ed the same what they ran ticket tapes of Covid infections on the news. Take DTP shot, it caused lots of injuries as well as higher all cause morality in those that take it. Vaccines right back to smallpox have been fraudulently presented, over hype the risk from a disease, overstate the effectiveness of some shot, deny / hind the harms from the shot, then attack any questions about the previous three points. It was so clear during Covid, and if you allow yourself to look it’s been the exact same playbook from smallpox forward.
What Bernie Sanders says about this. RFKjr spouts not only bs. Just a lot of it. If you want to know what RFKjr is probably right about, listen to Sanders.
So vaccines off the table, because those are not the source of declining health.
(Autism (which may well be more a property than a disease) is only diagnosed more. And not because of vaccines, as the bulk of quality evidence shows. (so not e.g. Wakefields 'study'.)
But the food, move and motorization-part could very well add to the health problem. As well as high level environmental pollution in some areas.
Vaccines don’t provide full immunity, like Covid shots, they all leak. Measles as an example if you read the perspectives on the shot back in the early 60’s before roll out it was believed it was going to mimic natural infection without the inconvenience of the rash and potential side effects. It was said it was going to be a one and done shot, that did not turn out to be true, boosters were required and even then when a minor measles outbreak is reported many of the cases are in vaccinated adults and kids. So the measles shot took a population in 1960 that had true herd immunity (only the new cohort of yet to be infected kids needed to go through infection to have life long immunity) and has destroyed that where the population potentially is now vaccine dependent requiring boosters for life. The whole vaccine scheme has been an experiment from the very beginning with results that have always been different than what was believed was going to occur. The COVID mess was at such a scale that this has become clear to a great many more people that are not under the spell of the ideology and willing to look into it.
The nice thing about lacking full immunization of some or many vaccines, is that one can acquire ones beloved natural immunity after all, but in a much safer way.
True herd immunity. After those apparently too vulnerable had died. Yeah, that's a method too. In fact it's the method we applied through about the whole of human history until maybe 150(?) years. Very tradtional. Lot of mowing the grass, but what is left over after 50 is very resilient and healthy. Great method!
Mortality in the USA from measles by 1960 had reduced by over 98%, deaths that occurred after that point were restricted to almost only extremely malnourished kids in the Mississippi delta. Perhaps a better strategy would be to only target those identified as at risk and give them vaccination rather than accept the risks associated with vaccination on kids that are perfectly healthy. If vaccination would have mimicked natural infection it would have been amazing but they didn’t, they leak, and they come with severe side effects that we see in our real life experience of an ever sicker population. It was sanitation and clean water that reduced the mortality from disease not vaccines. Note mortality from scarlet fever came down with all the rest even though there has never been a vaccine for it.
Here’s a new study of vaccinated verse unvaccinated from Florida, showing vaccinated kids suffer at much higher rates of neurological disorders than unvaccinated kids. We need nation wide studies comparing vaxx to unvaxxed, the vaccine safety datalink contains the data it’s a matter of allowing that data to be study.
The about page contains loaded language, strange wordings and claims, that don't sound very scientific or even trustworthy.
The study-abstract itselve does so too.
Established in 2020, with the covid-thing. (But okay, correlation doesn't mean causation..)
They also sell stuff.
You could be right about things. But this link isn't exactly convincing for that. On the contrary, points to the opposite..
Are your other convictions also based on sources like this?
Your source looks like part of an scientifish alternative mirror-ecosystem tailored for quasi-evidenced science-denial, for people who prefer reality to be like that, and can afford to believe so (btw in big part thanks to the achievements of the ecosystem they oppose). Or even making good money in it's cultivation.
Next to it's (also well paid) functionality for more politically motivated zone-flooding.
Mr. Kennedy, if you get sepsis, MRSA or any other infection with a high mortality rate, will you take antibiotics? Mr. Kennedy, if you get bit by a rabid animal, will you get the rabies vaccine?
Mr. Kennedy, are you aware of the fatality rate of most infectious diseases prior to the discovery/invention of antibiotics, antivirals, and vaccines, back when humans ate healthy unprocessed food and exercised a great deal?
How embarrassing that you somehow think in an unreal binary way where you are either fully into conventional medicine or fully into alternatives...as though there was no middle ground...or varying situations for each person and for each health challenge. This over-simplicity shows literally no intellectual substance.
Mr. Kennedy, where did you get your medical degree? Did you specialize in virology? Public health? Infectious diseases?
RFK promises to not allow physicians or scientists to sit on FDA or CDC committees if they receive any financial support from Big Pharma. Are you NOT supportive of this higher degree of ethics and conflict of interest? Your answer (or non-answer) will be very telling.
Federal agencies have been captured by the corporations that the agencies are supposed to regulate. BIg Pharma doesn't like this...and Big Media is doing ALL it can to protect its biggest advertiser. Good for RFK!
I know, really? Better to have a someone working so selflessly towards "children's defense" while taking a very humble and modest $2.2 million for himself.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/rfk-jr-admits-didn-t-021222118.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9ic2t5LmFwcC8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAADK6gLLZCXgapJ6j9Sa0ouJwloM-GQldCHnJGInakpc9mm2PvqBrzGZWY22biihz3JOPL3iMRCa9YoInnM1o5i287hepZWEvg4a27Zba7TAZ6cGs68Zwbx4EyvbNkJGL9qwOEMBSb37HC-74TPhHMeiJJgJR1Zm32FP94eLMPMH7
I forgot, does Yahoo count as "mainstream"? It's so confusing because the highest rated news (Fox), podcast (Rogan), and social media (Twitter) platforms are in fact the plucky outsiders trying to bring truth to the masses.
Can I ask a question regarding the financing of the Federal Aviation Administration? Although seems irrelevant, bear with me.
I’m in the U.K. and our equivalent, the Civil Aviation Authority, is funded 100% by the industries they regulate.
Our equivalent of the FDA, the MHRA, is 85% funded by the industries they regulate.
In fact, all of our regulatory bodies including those regulating the professions like nurses, doctors and paramedics, are required by law to obtain most if not all of their funding from the people they regulate.
Finally, the United States did not have the problems with thalidomide that we had in the U.K. because the FDA didn’t approve it, the predecessor to the MHRA was only brought into existence in 1964 as a direct result of thalidomide.
LOL! Why a “medical decree?” so he can bamboozle like Offit? hide behind a credential? slap on a white coat.., look at me. look at me! i’m possess the truth! follow me! see my degree you dummy
Go ahead and see Dana Ullman next time you are sick, or have a medical emergency. Dont bother calling 911. Last thing you want is people who have actually studied and practiced medicine caring for you.
A medical degree is "hiding behind a credential" when it comes to a HEALTH position?
Thank you for demonstrating why education matters. Open the schools.
His confirmation will be back page news with the other insane and outrageous Trump words/actions taking center stage.
Where the hell are our medical advocacy organizations such as AMA, AAP, IDSA, ACEP, etc?
Agree
Paul...You are either pretending to misunderstand or you truly misunderstand RFK's questioning of germ theory. Germs do not "cause" disease but are a "co-factor" to disease. If germs "caused" disease, then, everyone who got infected with a germ would get a disease...but we KNOW that this isn't true. Many of us have strep in our throat, pneumonococcus in our bronchials, and cancer cells in different places in our bodies...but our own immune and defense system keeps these pathological agents in check.
Anyone can get "infected," but only those people who are "susceptible" will actually get the disease. This is basic infecdious disease 101, and when you over-simplify RFK's (and others') systemic understanding of infectious disease, it makes YOU look like a fool, not him.
Sounds like a distinction without a difference in the real world that I live in filled with pathogens. In any case, I see no evidence that Kennedy's understanding on this topic is is anything but simplistic.
It sounds like you don't have a clue about what RFK says or thinks (a common symptom of people who believe everything that the MSM says...my condolences).
Agree. As an aside, I always crack up when I hear nonsense about "believe everything the MSM says". Fox News openly boasts, incessantly, about how they have the highest ratings among news networks. Twitter openly boasts about their high numbers of active users compared to other social media sites. Joe Rogan boasts of being the most listened-to podcast. The level of hypocrisy, or maybe it's just willful ignorance/stupidity, in bragging about having the highest ratings while calling other sources "mainstream" is mind-boggling.
And what RFK Jr says and writes is out there in the open. No "MSM" involved. He has openly promoted the debunked theory on a link between childhood vaccines and autism, openly stated his feelings that the covid vaccine was "the deadliest vaccine ever made", or that HIV may not cause AIDS (holy crap!), and yes a doubt in goddamned germ theory!
My sympathies to you in your over-simplification of the media. First, Fox News is NOT a credible source...but MSNBC isn't either.
As for vaccines and autism, I guess that you don't know about the CDC's Senior Scientist William Thompson, PhD. He was an author of one of the most authoritative studies on the MMR vaccine and autism. He has admitted that his team falsified data to show no relationship between vaccines and autism, and Dr. Thompson has achieved "whistlerblower status," but NO American President since Obama has allowed him to speak.
RFK has much higher standards around research than others because he is not financially conflicted by Big Pharma...just as he was successfuly in suing Monsanto for $280 million for their Roundup product. Needless to say, one does not win such huge judgments with "misinformation." Actually, it is Monsanto and Big Pharma who are the larger proveyors of misinformation.
No need for sympathy! I live in reality. It's a wonderful place!
I certainly agree that fox is not credible. I never actually mentioned anything about MSNBC, but whatever. Just continue that conversation in your head I guess.
The study Thompson was a part of was not "one of the most authoritative studies on the MMR vaccine and autism". Again, just because you hear something bouncing around a lot inside of a social media echo chamber doesnt make it more or less authoritative than others.
Granted, he never said data was "falsified", and what in the world are you talking about with regards to presidents not allowing him to speak???
In fact, he has openly spoke out via press release:
https://legislature.vermont.gov/Documents/2016/WorkGroups/House%20Health%20Care/Bills/H.98/Witness%20Testimony/H.98~Jennifer%20Stella~William%20Thompson%20Statement~5-6-2015.pdf
"I want to be absolutely clear that I believe vaccines have saved and continue to save countless
lives. I would never suggest that any parent avoid vaccinating children of any race. Vaccines
prevent serious diseases, and the risks associated with their administration are vastly outweighed
by their individual and societal benefits."
RFK Jr absolutely does NOT have "higher standards around research"! That's like saying flat-earthers have deeper insight into air/space travel than astrophysicists. He has repeatedly demonstrated this via his repeated nonsensical claims of a link between vaccines and autism, his HIV denialism, his lack of understanding of what VAERS data represents, etc etc etc.
Like you, he gets his "standard around research" is basically what he hears bounced around on line and that fits with whatever conspiracy theory he is trying to promote. Not actual science.
Not every dog bites.
But dogs are def the cause of dogbites.
This is another of those things that everybody knows, except those who think RFKJr and his ilk are unique in having discovered them or brave in exposing the conspiracy to deny them; for another instance, the idea that despite his erroneous ideas, RFKJr is the man, because he's the only one saying that people should eat right and get exercise, something the medical industry conspiracy has kept hidden for too long because they profit from treating the ill. You know how whenever you visit a doctor, they tell you to take it easy, spend more time on the couch, and treat yourself to some junk food, right?
Anyway, definition of "causing a disease":
"Generally, the agent must be present for disease to occur; however, presence of that agent alone is not always sufficient to cause disease. A variety of factors influence whether exposure to an organism will result in disease, including the organism’s pathogenicity (ability to cause disease) and dose."
-Concepts of Disease Occurrence, CDC
https://archive.cdc.gov/www_cdc_gov/csels/dsepd/ss1978/lesson1/section8.html
However, when a pathogen is new, like H1N1 in 1919 or Ebola in 1976, no one’s immune system is able to cope effectively, and mortality is very high. Regardless of nutritional status.
I disagree with Kennedy. HIV obviously causes AIDS, which is a horrifying disease. I’m glad that retrovirals can help patients live for many years.
I have encountered many who don’t believe in the “germ theory,” Kennedy is not the only one. I don’t understand their stance at all. While many germs are harmless, even beneficial, many are dangerous.
Good nutrition and avoidance of toxic substances are important, but in many cases not sufficient to withstand dangerous diseases caused by bacteria, viruses, fungus, or parasites. Half of Europe was killed by the Black Plague, even the well-nourished rich. Between 50 and 100 million killed by the Spanish flu, with healthy, well-nourished young adults suffering the highest mortality. Total mortality is uncertain because so many villages in Asia were completely wiped out, without a single survivor. And not because all the dead had taken too much aspirin.
Vaccines can be either life-saving or life-destroying, or just problematic in their effect on the immune system. It’s not the case that anyone should take all that are offered. Each must be considered carefully, most rejected. But if there had been an effective and often apparently safe vaccine for H1N1 at the time of the Spanish flu, I would have taken it. By 1922, I would not have, because by then everyone in the world had antibodies from natural exposure, and people’s immune systems had learned how to cope.
It's significant here that RFKJr is one of the skeptics that HIV causes AIDS.
"Germs" is, of course, not a biological term, and is used in general speech to include things like, bacteria, fungi, and viruses.
There is some truth to the fact that we are colonized with a lot of bacteria who could potentially cause disease, but often do not. And that bacteria can often take advantage of a disease or infection that they did not cause, to move in.
Fungi, even more so; if you've ever tried to "cure" yourself of a fungus only to have it return, you know how fungi can also colonize us without actual disease.
So far, good for the "it's not germs" concept. But viruses...
Viruses do not quietly colonize everybody. We do not have billions of viruses on our skin or guts or respiratory tract waiting for us to weaken. We get viral diseases when somebody wafts a virus in our direction and it hits us. It may or may not launch a successful infection, but you can have no immune system at all and you won't catch a viral disease unless somebody infects you.
This puts a crimp into the point of view the infectious disease is actually your immune system weakening, which of course is your own fault for not doing healthy stuff, and the "germs" are just there anyway, and just take advantage of your internal disease state.
And editing their theory to say, "except viruses of course," while not impossible scientifically, would take all the wind out of it as moralistic belief that Nature loves you and wouldn't have things that would kill you, so you're bringing it on yourself. And how would that prove that their health is a badge of their moral superiority?
Not all bacteria or viruses are pathogenic. Not everyone develops disease from the same pathogen. For example 90+% of the adult population are infected with Epstein Barr virus, but not everyone develops infectious mononucleosis.
If you have a fever, reduced appetite and lethargy then you are likely to be infected with a virus, but unless you develop specific signs then you do not have a disease, those initial symptoms are the result of your innate immune system responding to the infection.
Disease is a collection of symptoms (described by the infected person) and signs (observed by someone other than the patients).
Measles is diagnosed by the rash.
Chicken pox is diagnosed by the rash
Rubella is diagnosed by the rash
Mumps is diagnosed by the swelling of specific areas of the neck
Without these specific signs, the best diagnosis is a viral infection of unknown origin.
Vaccines protect against disease, but they do not prevent infection.
Not strictly true. We do harbor some viruses without getting sick and not everyone infected by a pathogenic virus develops an overt disease. And yes, our immune system is quite good at protecting us. Nonetheless, viruses without doubt cause disease, and vaccines are the best approach to making sure our immune systems are capable of preventing or at least diminishing disease. Unfortunately, RFK understands none of this and doesn’t appear interested in searching for facts or truth, just confirming his preconceived notions.
So, drinking "raw" milk is more "natural" than drinking pasteurized milk in the same way drinking raw river water in a large city is more "natural" than drinking bottled water...with similar outcomes, no doubt.
Please send to Srnate Health Chair Cassidy. Excellent questions
There are many reasons RFK Jr is not qualified to lead HHS. These quotes from his book top the list for me!
thank you for your clear presentation of RFK's fatal flaws
If Ivanka came down with some life-threatening virus, and high fever, who would Trump call? Mehmet Oz, who would check her horoscope? One of the con artists who promote HCG or ivermectin? Or how about a faith healer?
I’m saddened that you’ve read a book that challenges your narrative and your response is to focus on two little comments about germs and infection which don’t seem in conflict with your understanding.
In other words, it feels like you’re making a big to do about nothing, which is what everybody does nowadays to gain their position. The real question is, how do we create healthy human beings?
Are we more healthy? Are our children more healthy with more vaccines?
I can definitely say that children are not more healthy right now. Is it red dye three or the other 2000 additives we allow in our foods that Europeans do not is it the crappy pesticides we use on the food sold in grocery stores? Is it the spray on organic foods in stores? What’s making us sick?
What I do know is Anthony Fauci created a deadly protocol in hospitals that killed many. That made healthcare workers leave their field because they didn’t want to kill people and their administration said they must. By creating a killing field in the hospital now more than half of America doesn’t trust their doctors doesn’t trust going to the hospital.
Why would Anthony Fauci create a deadly protocol for AIDS in the 80s? I mean if you look in the 80s, he was saying we should wear masks inside so we wouldn’t infect each other with AIDS. He used the exact same playbook in the 80s. It just didn’t take as well.
And now again, we had a pandemic based on him wanting to make money. That’s it that’s the only reason to kill people in the hospitals with remdesivir which causes renal failure. Do you remember the beginning of the pandemic when the New York doctors would give their daily reports? And they were like we’ve never seen a virus do so much damage to the renal system…. Oh, but wait, fauci had already instituted remdesivir as the only treatment. He also pushed ventilators. Healthy people who are having a little trouble breathing were pushed on the ventilators to die.
Even now there is still benefit for people being put on ventilators and dying. Hospitals still get an up charge for that.
Imagine the mental sickness it takes to push a vaccine by killing people with a drug that was pulled from the Ebola study. Fauci is a very sick man.
But he got his wish now most of the world has been injected with modified RNA, which we now know spreads to other people (which was known before from all the other studies with mrna). So we have all of these people that have this crap in them now that’s clotting up their blood. We still have excess mortality maybe it’s from the virus that was created in a Fauci lab or maybe it’s from the vaccines that were created so that Fauci could be a hero. But what I do know is that people died unnecessarily and it was wrong.
And I am thankful for people like RFK Junior who’s willing to stand up and say maybe we shouldn’t let people die.
A book that challenges a narrative assumes that book is based in reality and not outright fabrications because conspiracy theories and pseudoscience sell to the ignorant, contrarian masses.
If the book had fabrications, Fauci would sue. But he hasn’t… bc RFK jr backs up all the Fauci facts with citations. People died because Fauci wanted fame. The pardon… going back to 2014… the year Obama banned gain of function… is quite telling. How dare fauci make hospital protocols that would kill so many. He made a toxic renal failure causing drug the only choice for hospitals to treat our family and friends. He withheld drugs that did work, like budesomide. Now, hospitals are more dangerous. Even doctors are suggesting a family member stay with patients…. Like one must stay with a family member in developing countries. Greatness.
If a person denies the existence of bacteria and viruses, does that extend to parasitic infections such as malaria?
Also DJT went to Penn. Can the university or medical write to their distinguished alum ? Barton is at NYU. Ivanka Georgetown. Maybe these med schools will object ?
How about ask him: Do you believe that childhood vaccines CURE intellectual disability or learning disability? Because if you are using the fact that autism diagnoses have increased significantly over the past 40 years as evidence that vaccines cause autism, then surely you would apply the same logic to say that vaccines have the opposite effect on intellectual/learning disability, since those rates declined by a similar amount as autism diagnoses rose over the same time period.
If not, why not? Why would a rise indicate that the correlation is causation, but a decline not also indicate a causation?
OR.... crazy thought, but just maybe this is an example of diagnostic substitution. In other words, what we used to consider intellectual/learning disability is now recognized as autism. What we used to think was just extreme shyness was actually autism. What we thought (cruelly) was just, "that kid's weird" was actually autism. Because of the introduction of diagnostic criteria in the early 80s, and also the rise in awareness.
lol! Offit in full panic mode. so great to see. he keeps parading out same old discredited canned smearing “aids denialist” blah blah.. keep it going offit! keep spewing the same nonsense! show us all your wisdom! you the man!! lol! Finally Offit/CDC propaganda seeing the light of day!
The health of the nation under the existing model of ever more drugs and vaccines has gotten worse, how will the introduction of even more of the same thing make it better? I guess a place to start is do you agree the health of the nation is worse? Do you agree as an example that autism rates have increased since 1986? If you agree that the health of the nation including kids under 18 has gotten worse how would you propose to get to the root cause(s) of this issue? In your mind what items should be on the table to explore if they are a contributing factor to the problem and are there any items that should be excluded from that review and if so why?
Where are all the 70 year old autistic people? All Wakefield concluded in the top line of their study was that the matter warranted more study. Vaccines don’t prevent spread, we saw this with Covid in a big way, the same is true for polio etc. vaccines should be a choice, those that want them great, those that don’t the same. And then there should be a real effort to understand the total overall health of both groups. Doesn’t seem like anything terrified phamra more than vaxx verse unvaxxed studies. They have all the data, if the vaxxed were overwhelming more healthy the information would be spread Ed the same what they ran ticket tapes of Covid infections on the news. Take DTP shot, it caused lots of injuries as well as higher all cause morality in those that take it. Vaccines right back to smallpox have been fraudulently presented, over hype the risk from a disease, overstate the effectiveness of some shot, deny / hind the harms from the shot, then attack any questions about the previous three points. It was so clear during Covid, and if you allow yourself to look it’s been the exact same playbook from smallpox forward.
What Bernie Sanders says about this. RFKjr spouts not only bs. Just a lot of it. If you want to know what RFKjr is probably right about, listen to Sanders.
So vaccines off the table, because those are not the source of declining health.
(Autism (which may well be more a property than a disease) is only diagnosed more. And not because of vaccines, as the bulk of quality evidence shows. (so not e.g. Wakefields 'study'.)
But the food, move and motorization-part could very well add to the health problem. As well as high level environmental pollution in some areas.
all those indigenous ppls were just malnourished so they couldnt fight off the smallpox eh?
Vaccines don’t provide full immunity, like Covid shots, they all leak. Measles as an example if you read the perspectives on the shot back in the early 60’s before roll out it was believed it was going to mimic natural infection without the inconvenience of the rash and potential side effects. It was said it was going to be a one and done shot, that did not turn out to be true, boosters were required and even then when a minor measles outbreak is reported many of the cases are in vaccinated adults and kids. So the measles shot took a population in 1960 that had true herd immunity (only the new cohort of yet to be infected kids needed to go through infection to have life long immunity) and has destroyed that where the population potentially is now vaccine dependent requiring boosters for life. The whole vaccine scheme has been an experiment from the very beginning with results that have always been different than what was believed was going to occur. The COVID mess was at such a scale that this has become clear to a great many more people that are not under the spell of the ideology and willing to look into it.
The nice thing about lacking full immunization of some or many vaccines, is that one can acquire ones beloved natural immunity after all, but in a much safer way.
Everybody happy!
True herd immunity. After those apparently too vulnerable had died. Yeah, that's a method too. In fact it's the method we applied through about the whole of human history until maybe 150(?) years. Very tradtional. Lot of mowing the grass, but what is left over after 50 is very resilient and healthy. Great method!
Mortality in the USA from measles by 1960 had reduced by over 98%, deaths that occurred after that point were restricted to almost only extremely malnourished kids in the Mississippi delta. Perhaps a better strategy would be to only target those identified as at risk and give them vaccination rather than accept the risks associated with vaccination on kids that are perfectly healthy. If vaccination would have mimicked natural infection it would have been amazing but they didn’t, they leak, and they come with severe side effects that we see in our real life experience of an ever sicker population. It was sanitation and clean water that reduced the mortality from disease not vaccines. Note mortality from scarlet fever came down with all the rest even though there has never been a vaccine for it.
https://publichealthpolicyjournal.com/vaccination-and-neurodevelopmental-disorders-a-study-of-nine-year-old-children-enrolled-in-medicaid/
Here’s a new study of vaccinated verse unvaccinated from Florida, showing vaccinated kids suffer at much higher rates of neurological disorders than unvaccinated kids. We need nation wide studies comparing vaxx to unvaxxed, the vaccine safety datalink contains the data it’s a matter of allowing that data to be study.
publichealthpolicyjournal.com is quite NOT the website of the Journal of Public Health Policy.
The about page contains loaded language, strange wordings and claims, that don't sound very scientific or even trustworthy.
The study-abstract itselve does so too.
Established in 2020, with the covid-thing. (But okay, correlation doesn't mean causation..)
They also sell stuff.
You could be right about things. But this link isn't exactly convincing for that. On the contrary, points to the opposite..
Are your other convictions also based on sources like this?
Your source looks like part of an scientifish alternative mirror-ecosystem tailored for quasi-evidenced science-denial, for people who prefer reality to be like that, and can afford to believe so (btw in big part thanks to the achievements of the ecosystem they oppose). Or even making good money in it's cultivation.
Next to it's (also well paid) functionality for more politically motivated zone-flooding.