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Measles is a completely preventable highly infectious disease that can kill children. The live attenuated vaccine works and is safe.

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I have noticed that the pro vaccine front has adjusted their position on some hard facts about vaccines since Covid.

Vaccines are accepted now to not stop catching or spreading diseases.

Advocates are more careful now saying what mortality from disease is, as an example they aren’t stating any longer that measles are a death sentence citing example from 1900 era. The CDC’s graphs showing mortality rates dropping more than 90% prior to vaccine introduction are too wide spread now, they had to concede that.

Areas for the vaccine crowd to still work on. From COVID we learned the concept of dying with a disease rather than from a disease, the same will be true for chickenpox, measles etc. there is no kid that died with chickpox that wouldn’t be susceptible to almost anything, basically a health impaired person. These people are the ones that vaccines should be reserved for, the 1/1000 immune compromised person.

Another area for the vaccine crowd to work on is understanding that natural infection provides superior health benefits, as an example those with natural chickpox infection having lower rates of shingles later in life compared to the vaccinated.

Another item is the area of harms / adverse events from vaccines, the risk could be worth it for an immune compromised person but it’s not for a perfectly health person. Understand that the 1 or 2 cases per million adverse events claim if you follow it through is the number of awarded vaccine injury claims divided by the total number of vaccines given. If you’ve ever asked a question about a kid’s neurological ticks that followed MMR as an example you learn real quick there are significant barriers to reporting a concern and being taken seriously. They did the same thing to people that first asked, you think maybe this lung cancer is from smoking? Point is for every injury claim that is paid out it is the tip of the iceberg, the one or two per million claim is ridiculous.

The other thing we learned from Covid is that there are viable prophylactic and therapeutic steps that can be taken with disease. As an example vitamin D was not therapeutic for Covid but if you took it regularly before being exposed it seems to have been useful as there was basically no one in the ICU that had good vitamin D levels. And as documented in the 2005 paper in the national library of medicine that Chloroquine is a potent inhibitor of SARS coronavirus infection and spread.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1232869/

But they told people do nothing, wait till you get really sick before coming to the hospital, after there is anything we can do for you, very strange that guidance wasn’t given to minimize health complications from infection.

Let’s face it pharma has been misleading us for decades and as they play a more dominate role in everyone’s lives (an increasing percentage of GDP is being spent on health than ever before) our health continues to decline. Ever increasing rates of chronic disease go hand in hand with ever increasing use of drugs and vaccines. There’s other factors like processed food, but come on, so many of these health problems are autoimmune related and the one thing that absolutely can’t be included on the list of potential causes are the very products that intentionally stimulates your immune system. And now with mRNA it’s your own cells internationally growing a protein to be attacked by your own immune system.

Vaccines and drugs have been over used, there’s just too much money at stake to prevent that from happening, one day that will be accepted. Pharma knew vaccines were inherently dangerous, they were going to exit the business in the early 80’s because of it. That resulted in Reagan agreeing for the govt to take on the liability in the 1986 Vaccine Act, and ever since then pharma’s enthusiasm for vaccines can’t be stopped. Moderna’s vision with their DART plan is 48 hours from virus detection to mRNA shot ready for injection, what could possibly go wrong.

https://youtu.be/Ee5TNSIOeEI?si=1xpj7w_QWr6SYMhX

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