Then maybe we should remove the protection the vaccine industry has for not being sued for adverse effects if they claim their shots do not cause autism. But if you have children that have been severely damaged with autism due to the shots all your arguments will never hold water.
Please send that law. My cousins daughter is disabled after HPV and they can’t get a dime from the dam government because they make it so hard. And yea the vaccine company is exempt. I pray someone you love is not just with the lies you spread
3. Here is a law firm that specializes in suing vaccine makers. They carefully explain how everyone can sue vaccine makers. And they have a number of current Civil lawsuits about HPV vaccines. Maybe they can help:
Note, that a Civil lawsuit does require someone to testify under oath. There is an interesting pattern of folks making claims about vaccines, but they just won't do so under oath.....
Just curious, exactly how many times to I need to post the law here before you will admit that the anti-vaccs are just lying about being exempt from liability?
And how many times do I have to post actual court cases where the anti-vaccs sued vaccine makers....and the anti-vaccs were exposed as morons and liars before you will read the words and condemn them?
Under the NCVIA, vaccine manufacturers are generally immune from lawsuits for vaccine-related injuries or deaths. Instead, these claims are directed to the VICP.
This immunity is designed to protect manufacturers from the high costs of litigation and to ensure that vaccines remain available and affordable.
Oh, he never loses. It's the rest of us who are too dumb to understand. According to his worldview. I see he's at it again, trying to prove his mental superiority over LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE.
You keep insisting that Americans can sue vaccine makers and those administering them. But that is not precisely the truth! Americans sue in the federal vaccine court which uses money from an excise tax placed on all administered vaccines to pay for people who have been vaccine-injured. Pharma companies are not being sued in any traditional sense of the word. Those Americans who have taken vaccines are the ones providing the funds which are awarded to those who can prove a vaccine injury. Pharma's money is not at issue in these suits. And that is how Pharma is being protected from liability.
"Pamela and Ernest Blackwell, parents and next friends of Jamarr Blackwell, sued the drug manufacturer Wyeth, Inc., its affiliates, and others, alleging that Jamarr’s autism and mental retardation were caused by thimerosal-laden vaccines administered to Jamarr when he was a baby. "
"Minor plaintiff Baby Doe and his mother, Jane Doe (collectively, "Doe"), has filed suit against (1) Merck & Co. Inc. ("Merck"); and (2) Health and Human Services,....Doe alleges that Merck produced a measles, mumps, and rubella ("MMR") vaccine that was administered to him in 1999 and caused him to develop autism."
5. Here is a US law firm that specializes in suing vaccine makers. They have a number of current lawsuits and they clearly explain how everyone can sue vaccine makers:
A) the anti-vaccs are a fraud and they flat out lie when they claim you can't sue vaccine makers in civil court.
B) No matter how many times these simple facts are posted here, none of the anti-vaccs with admit the truth.
C) Not one single anti-vacc has been willing to acknowledge the facts documented in the Court rulings....zero not one single word.
To be clear: the courts demonstrate that the anti-vaccs are morons and frauds.
So Mary, are you willing to be the first?
Do you have the integrity to read the words and admit the anti-vaccs lied to you? Will you acknowledge the clear anti-vacc fraud revealed by the Court?
The problem is the statue is limitations and the corrupt pharma / government have no double blind placebo controlled studies so proof of the injury is almost impossible.
Albus, look yourself "Under the Act, persons with petitions of vaccine-related injuries or deaths resulting from covered vaccines must first exhaust their remedies under the VICP before they can pursue legal actions against vaccine manufacturers or administrators."
This is wrong and hurts the American people. It's just akin to saying you can't sue.
I wonder how you got through medical school unable to do 5th grade math or middle-school biology....or as you proved elsewhere....unable to use google.
You might want to ask your personal physician about taking a MoCA test.
Not good for anyone. Shown by multiple studies including from The Cleveland Clinic of their more than 50k employees, that the shot leads to increased susceptibility. The employees that took it got sick more than those who didn't and they were sicker.
Now this is where I point out there are two Cleveland clinic studies and in both studies, in simple very clear words, they explain how the vaccines were effective and prevented covid.
And this is where you rant and rave etc, but absolutely refuse to use your basic reading skills to see how stupid the anti-vacc lies are!!
The only people that would benefit would be a few lawyers. The VICP more than covers any vaccine related injuries and the most common compensation is from shoulder injury/pain which isn’t from the actual vaccines but giving the injection into the shoulder joint instead of the deltoid where it’s supposed to go.
Make physicians liable for what? The rate of serious reactions to vaccines is around 1:1,000,000. Do you realize that basically every other medication on the market has more serious reactions than vaccines?.
I don't think we are looking at facts from the same well. No matter what I say I don't think you plan on changing your mind. When I started looking into this I was 100% Pro vax that was 2016. I read a half a dozen books and I just can't continue my support.
Just read Turtles all the way down and then ask yourself if you are supporting the right side. If you haven't read that book you don't have a robust perspective.
But I did read the Turtles book....I did one more thing--I read the references.
And I have posted exact quotes from the book...starting with the second paragraph...and the references.
And the fact is the book lies.
It isn't spinning or approximating or getting some details a bit off.
The book is a fraud and it grossly and systematical lies. But so far zero of it supports have been willing to read the references!
BTW: did you notice that all the organizations that pay for vaccines.....like for profit health insurance companies and national healthcare systems....everyone of them is still purchasing vaccines and just tossed the book in the garbage?
BTW: actual data shows that vaccinated kids are way healthier....but I bet you can't find any of your anti-vacc books or links that are honest about this simple fact.
Doctors take an oath to do no harm so when they don't critically think and investigate the potential side effects of vaccines before putting them into children, there should be a consequence. Instead the consequences fall on the American taxpayer.
How many doctors betrayed their oath the last 3 years while poisoning the world? I was just doing my job doesn't cut it neither does I was just following orders.
There's a reason vaccines are the only drug with liability protection. The pharmaceutical company said it in 1986 "we can't make a safe vaccine."
You need to read the law. Included in the cost of each vaccine is a levy that goes into the vaccine court coffers to cover paying out for injuries incurred. It is a user pays system. The vaccine manufacturers PAY NOTHING. They are absolved of any responsibility for their product.
You also need to read what injuried the vaccine court has paid for. They have compensated for cases of autism. If vaccines do not cause autism explain why they have awarded the payments.
2. All American's can still sue vaccine makers in civil court--the manufacturers still have full legal responsibility for their products. So far the anti-vaccs can't win in civil court because they are just a fraud.
I have wondered the same thing. He/She denied being an employee of Offit. So now I'm thinking he's a paid lobbyist for Pharma whose job is to protect people like Offit or he's a low level employee at a pharmaceutical company. I see below that he's accusing YOU of making a personal attack but meanwhile, that is HIS/HER tactic. Projection is what they do best.
1:1,000,000 is marketing. No basis in epidemiological fact unless doctors turn their head and deny when there are injuries all around them, as Dr. Offit has done throughout his career.
Sigh....so while you are attacking Dr. Offit's integrity.....
The fact is you didn't have the integrity to look at the facts!
Anaphylaxis is about 1.3 per million doses, other serious putative serious vaccine side effects are rarer....so rare that it is really hard to measure.
The fact is that a CDC commissioned study performed by Harvard concluded that about 1% of vaccine adverse reactions are ever reported. So much for post marketing follow-up. CDC decided not to use those results. Dr. Offit is well aware. He has made a choice to defend an industry's profits instead of public health. Vaccine adverse effects are common. Take a look at Aaby's body of research in Guinea Bissau repeatedly showing that DPT vaccinated babies had significantly higher all cause mortality than their unvaccinated counterparts who started out less healthy than the vaccinated babies. The CDC has refused to do that study in the US. Wonder why. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29616207/
It was NOT from Harvard and study did NOT even try and measure adverse reactions!
The anti-vaccs just blatantly lied to you and just made things up about the study.
After you read the words....then we can use only our basic counting skills to see why every single country that was using has kept using the DTP vaccine....spoiler--it is because the claim it increased mortality is clearly wrong!
Of course that does require you to be willing to count....
Not for everyone and not every vaccine...certainly the mRNA jabs are proven ineffective to prevent COVID infections but effective in causing fatal injuries.
The reason you start with childish name-calling is that you just don't have the basic reading skills to read the Nuremberg code and see how anti-vaccs have played you for a fool.
And you don't have the 5th grade math skills to see that the covid vaccines are safe and effective.
And worse of all....even to protect yourself and your family....you just can't find the integrity to ask obvious questions....like what is the data from life insurance companies.
But I still have hope for you someday you open eyes and look at facts and see how breathtakingly stupid the anti-vacc lies are!
I’m happy with that, as long as there is a quid pro quo…make parents of unvaccinated kids who are the source of any infections to vulnerable children liable.
Liable for what? Children without comorbidity are the least vulnerable to fatal infection. Schools should never been shut down for reasons preventing COVID infection. Natural immunity in large numbers stops the spread.
"Natural immunity in large numbers stops the spread."
No it slows down the spread. And we have tried that, so we know that there are lots more dead and sick kids.....which is why no country on earth will try such an absurd strategy.
If an unvaccinated kid gets an infection and then passes it onto a vulnerable person who was unable to be vaccinated and who suffered harm, then the parents of the child should be held liable. That’s fair.
The key part starts at the bottom of page 1331 Part B: Additional Remedies.
And in the top couple of sentences on page 1332 it clearly explains how everyone can sue vaccine makers and administrators (i.e. who give the vaccine).
There are several countries that do not have government vaccine injury compensation programs. Those countries use the same vaccines and do not see any differences in vaccine injuries as any other country. Attacking the VICP does nothing to make vaccines safer and would only reduce the availability of vaccines while making it significantly harder for anyone with serious vaccine injuries to be compensated.
You are right that, excluding the Covid vaccines, other countries do use the same childhood vaccines. However, you are dead wrong in assuming that they do not see any difference in vaccine injuries. Each country has its own unique childhood vaccine schedule. One of the reasons is that they realise that the injuries caused by using particular vaccines in their population causes more harm than the actual disease, e.g. Japan does not require the MMR or the HPV vaccines.
In countries that do not have vaccine courts the injured are required to use the normal court system with its standards of proof of guilt. It is very difficult to prove causation when the manufacturers are not required to provide the safety testing of vaccines in the same way as they are for EVERY other medication. Nor are vaccine manufacturers required to do anything to improve their product when it is proven unsafe or not fit for purpose.
This assumption that drug manufacturers who have repeatedly been found guilty fraud, misconduct and hiding the adverse events of their products are suddenly upstanding, moral corporations when it comes to vaccines beggars belief.
If you BELIEVE vaccines are 'safe and effective have as many as you want. If they work you are at no danger from the unvaccinated.
It is really the same as for other products...actually a bit tougher safety testing then pharmaceuticals.
There is a basic logic error in your comments about misconduct....and on a related topic there is no assumption there is decades of real world data from throughout the developed world that vaccines are safe and effective.
Albus lied and misrepresented the facts. He doesn't understand that all other legal remedies have to be exhausted first before you can sue the manufacturers.
Also, he tried a bait-and-switch. He posted the schedule recommended by the "Japanese Pediatric Society" which is not the Japanese government.
The FDA vaccine approval process has many holes. It is routinely abused by pharma and vaccine-makers.
"Congress specifically EXEMPTED them {vaccine makers} from liability.
There are lots and lots of similar anti-vacc assertions here...claims that it is impossible to sue vaccine makers...but as you clearly know, the exempt from liability claim is a flat out lie.
You are just trying to distract from the fact that it is the anti-vaccs that are lying.
And you choose to remain silent on the facts documented in the Court rulings.....
2. Also, he tried a bait-and-switch. "
No Sherlock, most folks understand that Japanese government documents tend to be in Japanese.
I simply posted the correct Japanese schedule, written in English. You just don't like the facts.
3. The anti-vaccs are just a fraud that kills children, but clearly it takes willful stupidity to fall for their lies....
"They had to dilute the poison so it would not be so obvious so get your head out of the sand."
You didn't provide any actual facts....and you don't understand what the word "batch" means....
Here is a guess: no one will ever make this absurd diluting poison argument in Court under oath because it is an obvious lie that fails 5th grade math.
Actually there is ZERO cap on damages from civil lawsuits....you know, like the ones I keep posting that demonstrate the anti-vacc fraud?
BTW: the ways that anti-vaccs deceive parents into believing in non-existent vaccine injuries are well known....if you are interested in knowing the facts.....
Everyone can sue vaccine makers claiming vaccine injuries and the anti-vaccs just keep lying about this because they lawsuits expose them as morons and frauds.
Then there is the rest of the world where US law doesn't apply...
All the vaccines on the schedule--including the covid vaccines--are licensed and all Americans can sue the vaccine makers.....no matter how many times you ignore this fact it is still a fact.
Are you still here? Don’t you have a job or something else to do besides argue with strangers for days? I’m done with your style of medicine...it done me and mine dirty, so I’m out. Not coming back...
You are just mad because I keep proving that ~everything you claim is a lie.
You are embarrassed that over and over and over you just can't read or count at the 5th grade level.
And I think you are ashamed, because now in your very heart of hearts you know that the anti-vaccs played you for a fool and you have grossly failed your own children.
How sad that you would rather remain a fool then to protect your own children from fraud.
" Petitioners who reject the decision of the Court (or those who withdraw their claims after certain timelines are met) may file a claim in civil court against the vaccine manufacturer and/or the health care provider who administered the vaccine."
This super simple. First you have to file in the vaccine court, then you can sue the vaccine maker or vaccine administer.
And one more time...Americans do sue vaccine makers...anti-vaccs just don't like the facts revealed in the Court rulings!
Your SINGLE argument is to always attack the character, intelligence, reading ability, and motives of those you disagree with. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you work as a lobbyist for Pharma or are some kind of low level employee at a pharmaceutical company.
As this thread demonstrates your assertion is not true. I quoted the exact section of Kristie's own link that proves she was wrong.
So what? We are all human, we all make mistakes. Just correct the error and move on to the next topic.
But just like all the anti-vaccs, in all the other treads about the law, all you have done to deflect and try to hide a very simple fact: the anti-vaccs lie when they claim you can't use vaccine makers.
Here is another fact. You, like all the other anti-vaccs, have not posted one single word about the Court rulings where Americans have sued vaccine makers.
"stop vaccinating everyone 100% of the time for the next FIVE years.........AND THE TRUTH WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF."
Sometimes I wish this would happen, so we can reset people's perceptions of the threats posed by vaccine-preventable disease.
Lets have polio epidemics surge across the globe paralysing and killing our kids, let;s see measles outbreaks killing our children, let's have women losing their babies to congenital rubella, let's see our hospitals filled beyond capacity with cases of meningitis, pertussis, rotaviral gastro, pneumonia, let's see tens of thousands of babies die from tetanus across the globe because mothers couldn't get a tetanus shot in pregnancy.... let's roll the clock back to the 18th century and THE TRUTH WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF!
Medicine is exceedingly resistant to change and challenges in its practices; even hand-washing was rejected for decades, even after germ theory was recognized as a source of infection. I think we're seeing the same thing at work here with vaccines. Vaccines are another medical fad that will, at some point, pass into medical history as an "oopsy." We just have to push harder. We know now, for example that most infectious childhood diseases ended with the coming of clean water, good sewage treatment, cleaner air, and especially better nutrition.
😂 you’re a funny guy...I bet you believe that the government loves you, the FDA protects you, the CDC is looking for your best interests and Tony Fauci is a saint too.
You make a good point. There are always errors made and psychology is always important.
For example, some folks won't use their basic counting skills to see the obvious fact that :
"We know now, for example that most infectious childhood diseases ended with the coming of clean water, good sewage treatment, cleaner air, and especially better nutrition."
Is clearly an anti-vacc lie...because that would mean admitting they were played for a fool.
I understand that not everyone is a scientist or has the basic skills to evaluate such assertions.
But I will never understand someone that won't look at facts to protect their children's health.....even if it means admitted they were fooled by liars.
1. "We know now, for example that most infectious childhood diseases ended with the coming of clean water, good sewage treatment, cleaner air, and especially better nutrition."
No they won’t pass, sadly, they are too effective at damaging people just enough to require them to be on drugs for the rest of their lives. Creating customers for life is pharma’s business model. It’s very effective.
Please provide a citation for this. Vaccine-preventable illnesses mostly dropped from 1900-1960s, save for a few diseases (measles and chickenpox) which ceased being dangers anyway during this period.
If Paul Offit had any integrity in this he would have been more analytical in his VRBPAC assessment of Pfizer’s own claims compared with the actual Pfizer data. Both VAERS and other countries reporting systems significantly under report serious adverse events, yet, in Pfizer’s own words and in the Periodic Safety Update reports out of the EU, the numbers and range of these SAEs are hugely significant raising the need for further scientific inquiry. In the first 6months of the rollout, PSUR #1 reported 1.3 million serious adverse events in it’s population. While small compared with the target population, surely concern should have been aroused. Time to sit back, reevaluate the data and have a reasoned scientific debate about the findings that the FDA/CDC had during the EUA and subsequently. Truth is out there but may have more than one side to it. I am afraid these ‘experts’ have lost my Trust for good.
This claim that people will report a fractured arm as a vaccine adverse event is just plain stupid. The reality is that most adverse events go unreported as people don't link the events. Only the most obvious temporal events are reported.
Doctors are required, but fail, to report ALL potentially connected events because they are unable to assess accurately whether or not there is a causal link. Events are generally reported by the public when their medical provider dismisses a link because they have no training in how to identify vaccine adverse events.
Events are reported within vaccine studies. Every event will be recorded, including those with no obvious vaccine link (ie this will encompass things like a fracture).
Post licensing, events can be recorded through reporting systems such as VAERS. As they take great pains to point out, a reported event doesn’t imply causality, merely temporal association. All serious events are investigated and serious events shown to be due to vaccination are very rare.
PS: Don’t think obviously unrelated events aren’t reported; would you like links to the VAERS reports of penile enlargement following Covid vaccines, or multiple orgasm?
"This claim that people will report a fractured arm as a vaccine adverse event is just plain stupid. "
If you try reading the reports you will find lots and lots of obviously absurd reports....the famous joke one that a vaccine turned him into the incredible hulk!
Here’s another ‘clue’ a ‘positive’ PCR test at >26Ct then death from a gunshot wound 2 weeks later does NOT equal a ‘Covid’ death. Oh, um it does though. How convenient.
On the contrary Mr. Rice, you’ll find that most anti-vaxxers were in fact pro vaccination for the better part of their lives and it was only after doing considerable research and examining the actual evidence (that is, studies not funded by the pharmaceutical industry or their henchmen in respected but compromised educational or other institutions receiving government funding or dirty grant money from a laundry list of conspiratorial “philanthropic” organizations) that they became aware of the magnitude of the con. As long as Pharma is funding it’s own “science” you can bet that the resulting studies will continue to show no harm, even when there is incontrovertible proof that correlation is in fact highly likely. The books Turtles All the Way Down and Dissolving Illusions by Dr Suzanne Humphries might be a good place for skeptics such as yourself to start.
Yep. My kids started off following the approved schedule until the side effects starting showing up. Epilepsy, ADHD, Autism etc. We quit totally and the remaining unvaxxed children experienced none of the undesirable side effects and none died from the things they weren’t vaccinated against. Spew all the crap you like about anti-vaxxers...we didn’t start off this way. Kneeling beside your kid convulsing on the ground holding their head so they don’t beat it into the floor at 4 o’clock in the morning and paying $1000 dental bills repairing chipped teeth from seizing and smashing their head on the tub changes your perspective on all these safe and effective and non-toxic substances (that list these as possible side effects) we allowed them to be injected with.
I am very sorry for the terrible health problems you describe..
That is a good reminder of the true evil done by the anti-vacc fraud.
Not only were your remining kids needlessly risked, but countless 100s of millions of valuable research dollars have been wasted reconfirming the already confirmed fact that vaccines don't cause autism.
Too bad that money wasn't spent on any of the potential treatments that might have really helped your family!
This is where I point out that examples have been posted here already....for example starting in the second paragraph of Turtles ...where the book just obviously and really stupidly lie....but so far none of the anti-vaccs have been willing to read the words.
Please see my response to Eddie Rice below. Apologies but I haven’t the time or patience to repeat myself. Best of luck having your mind expanded and opinions/personal confirmation bias challenged. ✌🏼
Funnily enough, I’d argue the same about you. Those alphabet agencies and institutions you believe to be the pillars of democracy holding up society? Well they’re rotten to the core. At least I’m no longer falling victim to those illusions.
The difference I posted the exact quotes from the books and the references where all it takes is the integrity to read the words to see your books lie.
You are victim of the anti-vacc fraud that is--to be blunt--so staggeringly stupid you literally have to refuse to look at the words.
Your insults to everyone are laughable and useless. You have zero credibility. People are very untuned to the fraud perpetrated on humanity and if you can’t see it, one of two things. 1: you are part of the scam or 2. You are a list cause until you or your loved ones experience injury or SADS.
Such crap! Why anyone who has taken a serious scan of the rampant corruption of government and their 3-letter agencies would take belief in any "studies" from those currupt entities is just beyond truth and reality, and IMO, blasphemous.
I take issue with the statement that myocarditis and blood clots were not anticipated to be problems associated with the Covid vaccines. They were both identified as potential side effects of concern in FDA briefing documents.
That adenovirus vectors can cause thrombocytic thrombocytopenia has been known in the literature since 2007.
They should have been monitored closely and any issues detected far more swiftly than the CDC later (begrudgingly) acknowledged, long after other countries had done so. To claim myocarditis rates of only 1 in 50k is to obscure & diminish the much higher rate in young men.
This article is disingenuous at best. And I’m being very generous there.
I take issue with anything that comes out of Paul Offit's mouth. I never thought I'd believe someone could lie more than a lawyer but in this situation it's a slam dunk. This guy has no soul.
"This article is disingenuous at best. And I’m being very generous there."
Thanks for today's irony.
"I take issue with the statement that myocarditis and blood clots were not anticipated to be problems associated with the Covid vaccines. They were both identified as potential side effects of concern in FDA briefing documents."
You forgot to post the briefing documents. Here they are:
1. Why are you ignoring the fact that what Sophocles is factually incorrect? The bar here is basic reading skills.
2. I have a long standing interest in improving science literacy and as we see over and over here an amazing number of adults are breathtakingly scientifically illiterate.
3. Mostly I am just sick of the anti-vacc fraud killing people....and I am really tired of folks that don't care the anti-vaccs are a fraud.
You are so funny! Mr Siri is getting quite close to the truth - vaccines are dangerous. And you’re trying to cover up this fact with semantics. I guess Mr Siri is capable of better logic.
I’ve read through your one man crusade to protect the poor vaccine manufacturers in these comments and do you know the only thing that surprises me? You don’t have a Ukraine flag as your thumbnail.
Then maybe we should remove the protection the vaccine industry has for not being sued for adverse effects if they claim their shots do not cause autism. But if you have children that have been severely damaged with autism due to the shots all your arguments will never hold water.
ABSOLUTELY! An absolute must. Repeal the 1986 law.
The law that clearly says all American's can sue vaccine makers and those administering vaccines?
The law that the anti-vaccs have been lying about for decades...preying upon folks too clueless to read?
Please send that law. My cousins daughter is disabled after HPV and they can’t get a dime from the dam government because they make it so hard. And yea the vaccine company is exempt. I pray someone you love is not just with the lies you spread
Just curious, are they going to sue the vaccine maker?
Most of all, I hope for the best for this person.
1. Here are the rules for winning in the vaccine court:
https://ecf.cofc.uscourts.gov/cgi-bin/show_public_doc?2016vv0633-113-0
To receive compensation you need:
1. A theory
2. A sequence of events
3. A temporal relationship
I think the bar to win is super low.
2. Here is the law that says everyone can sue vaccine makers:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-21
3. Here is a law firm that specializes in suing vaccine makers. They carefully explain how everyone can sue vaccine makers. And they have a number of current Civil lawsuits about HPV vaccines. Maybe they can help:
https://www.wisnerbaum.com/blog/2023/april/how-to-file-an-hpv-vaccine-lawsuit/
Note, that a Civil lawsuit does require someone to testify under oath. There is an interesting pattern of folks making claims about vaccines, but they just won't do so under oath.....
lie.
Yes you are lying.
Good news: I posted the links so everyone that has the integrity to read the words will see the facts.
Why do you lie and support a fraud that kills children?
Except....it doesn’t apply to any vaccine on the childhood vaccine schedule. Those are all exempted from manufacturer liability.
Just curious, exactly how many times to I need to post the law here before you will admit that the anti-vaccs are just lying about being exempt from liability?
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-21
And how many times do I have to post actual court cases where the anti-vaccs sued vaccine makers....and the anti-vaccs were exposed as morons and liars before you will read the words and condemn them?
https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
https://casetext.com/case/jane-doe-v-merck-co
Legal Immunity for Vaccine Manufacturers:
Under the NCVIA, vaccine manufacturers are generally immune from lawsuits for vaccine-related injuries or deaths. Instead, these claims are directed to the VICP.
This immunity is designed to protect manufacturers from the high costs of litigation and to ensure that vaccines remain available and affordable.
so youre actually wrong.
Good thing I posted the law so anyone that has basic reading skills can see the claim the manufacturers have legal immunity is a lie.
I also posted a couple of lawsuits against vaccine makers.
Why are you silent on how the Courts detailed the anti-vaccs are morons and absolute frauds and liars?
Bad: you just don't have the basic reading skills to find the facts.
Worse: you just don't care when it is proven that the anti-vaccs lied to you.
And guess what just got added to it?
And guess what the anti-vaccs are already lying about it!
I posted the law just above here where in simple basic words it explains that all American's can sue vaccine makers.
And I have posted many times actual lawsuits against vaccine makers.
Pretty simple logic: since American's do sue vaccine makers it can not be true that vaccine makers are exempt from liability.
Strange that you are so confused by such simple topics!
Oh, he never loses. It's the rest of us who are too dumb to understand. According to his worldview. I see he's at it again, trying to prove his mental superiority over LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE.
You keep insisting that Americans can sue vaccine makers and those administering them. But that is not precisely the truth! Americans sue in the federal vaccine court which uses money from an excise tax placed on all administered vaccines to pay for people who have been vaccine-injured. Pharma companies are not being sued in any traditional sense of the word. Those Americans who have taken vaccines are the ones providing the funds which are awarded to those who can prove a vaccine injury. Pharma's money is not at issue in these suits. And that is how Pharma is being protected from liability.
1. From Maryland Civil court
"Pamela and Ernest Blackwell, parents and next friends of Jamarr Blackwell, sued the drug manufacturer Wyeth, Inc., its affiliates, and others, alleging that Jamarr’s autism and mental retardation were caused by thimerosal-laden vaccines administered to Jamarr when he was a baby. "
https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
New York Civil court
"Minor plaintiff Baby Doe and his mother, Jane Doe (collectively, "Doe"), has filed suit against (1) Merck & Co. Inc. ("Merck"); and (2) Health and Human Services,....Doe alleges that Merck produced a measles, mumps, and rubella ("MMR") vaccine that was administered to him in 1999 and caused him to develop autism."
https://casetext.com/case/jane-doe-v-merck-co
Since Americans DO sue vaccine makers in Civil court it MUST be possible to sue vaccine makers in Civil court!
2. Here is the exact section of US law that explains that everyone can sue vaccine makers:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/42/300aa-21
3. Here is the SCOTUS ruling where they took great care to clearly explain that if think there is a vaccine injury you can sue the vaccine maker:
https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federal/us/562/223/
4. Here is the FAQ from the compensation site where in the very first question it clearly explains how everyone can sue vaccine makers:
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/faq
5. Here is a US law firm that specializes in suing vaccine makers. They have a number of current lawsuits and they clearly explain how everyone can sue vaccine makers:
https://www.wisnerbaum.com/blog/2023/april/how-to-file-an-hpv-vaccine-lawsuit/
6. some facts:
A) the anti-vaccs are a fraud and they flat out lie when they claim you can't sue vaccine makers in civil court.
B) No matter how many times these simple facts are posted here, none of the anti-vaccs with admit the truth.
C) Not one single anti-vacc has been willing to acknowledge the facts documented in the Court rulings....zero not one single word.
To be clear: the courts demonstrate that the anti-vaccs are morons and frauds.
So Mary, are you willing to be the first?
Do you have the integrity to read the words and admit the anti-vaccs lied to you? Will you acknowledge the clear anti-vacc fraud revealed by the Court?
The problem is the statue is limitations and the corrupt pharma / government have no double blind placebo controlled studies so proof of the injury is almost impossible.
Go to Google and search for vaccine double blind placebo studies.
Read 100s of these studies that you say don't exist.
Then try reading the Blackwell ruling above.
The problem is that the anti-vaccs are a fraud and they have lied to you.
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vicp/title-xxi-phs-vaccines-1517.pdf
Page 4
And again...pages 1331/1332 clearly explain how all American's can sue vaccine makers/administrators.
If your link is difficult for you to follow, here is a simpler explanation:
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/faq
It is right in the FAQ......
YoooooooHoooooo
Why are you not correcting your error?
Albus, look yourself "Under the Act, persons with petitions of vaccine-related injuries or deaths resulting from covered vaccines must first exhaust their remedies under the VICP before they can pursue legal actions against vaccine manufacturers or administrators."
This is wrong and hurts the American people. It's just akin to saying you can't sue.
Wow!
It must be opposite day. The law explains how everyone can sue....saying that is akin to saying you can't sue is beyond delusional.
The law just says that first you need to file with the Vaccine court--and that is free!
I wonder how you got through medical school unable to do 5th grade math or middle-school biology....or as you proved elsewhere....unable to use google.
You might want to ask your personal physician about taking a MoCA test.
Not good for anyone. Shown by multiple studies including from The Cleveland Clinic of their more than 50k employees, that the shot leads to increased susceptibility. The employees that took it got sick more than those who didn't and they were sicker.
Now this is where I point out there are two Cleveland clinic studies and in both studies, in simple very clear words, they explain how the vaccines were effective and prevented covid.
And this is where you rant and rave etc, but absolutely refuse to use your basic reading skills to see how stupid the anti-vacc lies are!!
Quote the studies and give links.
The only people that would benefit would be a few lawyers. The VICP more than covers any vaccine related injuries and the most common compensation is from shoulder injury/pain which isn’t from the actual vaccines but giving the injection into the shoulder joint instead of the deltoid where it’s supposed to go.
Make the doctors liable.
Make physicians liable for what? The rate of serious reactions to vaccines is around 1:1,000,000. Do you realize that basically every other medication on the market has more serious reactions than vaccines?.
I'd love to see data backing up those numbers. Data from someone other than the pharmaceutical company or the government.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26004568/
Just me....but I would really like it if just one anti-vacc made a tiny effort at learning the facts.....
I don't think we are looking at facts from the same well. No matter what I say I don't think you plan on changing your mind. When I started looking into this I was 100% Pro vax that was 2016. I read a half a dozen books and I just can't continue my support.
Just read Turtles all the way down and then ask yourself if you are supporting the right side. If you haven't read that book you don't have a robust perspective.
But I did read the Turtles book....I did one more thing--I read the references.
And I have posted exact quotes from the book...starting with the second paragraph...and the references.
And the fact is the book lies.
It isn't spinning or approximating or getting some details a bit off.
The book is a fraud and it grossly and systematical lies. But so far zero of it supports have been willing to read the references!
BTW: did you notice that all the organizations that pay for vaccines.....like for profit health insurance companies and national healthcare systems....everyone of them is still purchasing vaccines and just tossed the book in the garbage?
https://rumble.com/v1wypl2-dr.-paul-thomas-vaccinated-kids-vs-unvaccinated-mindblowing.html
So you don't care that the anti-vacc fraud hurts/kills kids.
Or you could listen to the scientific community and learn that is just gross scientific fraud.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33266457/
BTW: actual data shows that vaccinated kids are way healthier....but I bet you can't find any of your anti-vacc books or links that are honest about this simple fact.
Do you mean like national healthcare systems and for profit health insurance companies?
Doctors take an oath to do no harm so when they don't critically think and investigate the potential side effects of vaccines before putting them into children, there should be a consequence. Instead the consequences fall on the American taxpayer.
How many doctors betrayed their oath the last 3 years while poisoning the world? I was just doing my job doesn't cut it neither does I was just following orders.
There's a reason vaccines are the only drug with liability protection. The pharmaceutical company said it in 1986 "we can't make a safe vaccine."
It is just psychology!
For obvious reasons, Doctors DON'T take an oath to do no harm.
And if you check the law the vaccine makers are paying not the American taxpayers.
All it takes is basic math....or even basic reading skills...to see these claims about poisoning the world are just really stupid lies.
And the vaccine makers never said "we can't make a safe vaccine"....just another anti-vacc lie.
Thing is....some folks just would rather close their eyes...or rant and rave...then learn they have been played for a fool by the anti-vaccs!
You need to read the law. Included in the cost of each vaccine is a levy that goes into the vaccine court coffers to cover paying out for injuries incurred. It is a user pays system. The vaccine manufacturers PAY NOTHING. They are absolved of any responsibility for their product.
You also need to read what injuried the vaccine court has paid for. They have compensated for cases of autism. If vaccines do not cause autism explain why they have awarded the payments.
Let me guess....you are repeating what you have heard...but you have never actually read the court documents--right?
1. All money comes from an excise tax paid by the vaccine makers.
https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation
2. All American's can still sue vaccine makers in civil court--the manufacturers still have full legal responsibility for their products. So far the anti-vaccs can't win in civil court because they are just a fraud.
https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
https://casetext.com/case/jane-doe-v-merck-co
3. The Vaccine court rules are very, very clear and set-up to routinely compensate sick kids that were not injured by vaccines.
https://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/vaccine-programoffice-special-masters
4. You can't provide even one example where they compensated for autism because that is just a flat out anti-vacc lie.
If I am wrong, all you have to do is to post one example where autism was compensated!
Again....so no you just don't care that the anti-vaccs lied to you.
The tax (0.75c per individual vaccine) is levied off the vaccine manufacturers.
You have zero knowledge. How much are they paying you to troll this post?
I am sorry you would engage in personal attacks then use your basic reading skills and see how the anti-vaccs stupidly lie about ~everything.
But then as often pointed out, it does take willful ignorance to fall for the anti-vacc fraud
I have wondered the same thing. He/She denied being an employee of Offit. So now I'm thinking he's a paid lobbyist for Pharma whose job is to protect people like Offit or he's a low level employee at a pharmaceutical company. I see below that he's accusing YOU of making a personal attack but meanwhile, that is HIS/HER tactic. Projection is what they do best.
Of course the manufacturers didn’t say that....but the Supreme Court DID.
Of course you haven't acknowledged that the anti-vaccs fooled you with a stupid lie.
That would take integrity.
Of course you didn't post the SCOTUS document where they said that....because it is a flat out lie!
😂 that’s funny. If what you say is true then removing liability shielding shouldn’t be a problem if it’s only 1:1000000.
Aren't we lucky?
I have already proven to you that everyone can sue vaccine makers.
And you just proved yourself willful dishonest.
Albus, wrong, wrong, wrong. Look at the FAQ. You need to exhaust other remedies first.
You keep saying I am wrong and then exactly pointing out that I am right!
1:1,000,000 is marketing. No basis in epidemiological fact unless doctors turn their head and deny when there are injuries all around them, as Dr. Offit has done throughout his career.
Sigh....so while you are attacking Dr. Offit's integrity.....
The fact is you didn't have the integrity to look at the facts!
Anaphylaxis is about 1.3 per million doses, other serious putative serious vaccine side effects are rarer....so rare that it is really hard to measure.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4783279/
There is decades of key data from all around the developed world....if you care about the facts.....
The fact is that a CDC commissioned study performed by Harvard concluded that about 1% of vaccine adverse reactions are ever reported. So much for post marketing follow-up. CDC decided not to use those results. Dr. Offit is well aware. He has made a choice to defend an industry's profits instead of public health. Vaccine adverse effects are common. Take a look at Aaby's body of research in Guinea Bissau repeatedly showing that DPT vaccinated babies had significantly higher all cause mortality than their unvaccinated counterparts who started out less healthy than the vaccinated babies. The CDC has refused to do that study in the US. Wonder why. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29616207/
We do have some facts:
1. you posted a bunch of old, really stupid anti-vaccs predicted on folks being too stupid to read or count.
2. you don't care that the anti-vaccs are liars and kill children
I note that you asserted there was no epidemiology and I provided some....you just changed the topic.
See your problem is you still aren't open to even the possibility that the anti-vaccs are just flat out liars.
The day you are willing to consider that they are just lying to you, you might start doing things like reading the actual studies!
Here is you go:
https://digital.ahrq.gov/sites/default/files/docs/publication/r18hs017045-lazarus-final-report-2011.pdf
It was NOT from Harvard and study did NOT even try and measure adverse reactions!
The anti-vaccs just blatantly lied to you and just made things up about the study.
After you read the words....then we can use only our basic counting skills to see why every single country that was using has kept using the DTP vaccine....spoiler--it is because the claim it increased mortality is clearly wrong!
Of course that does require you to be willing to count....
Oh look, I provided the epidemiological data that you claimed didn't exist.
And you just don't have the integrity to correct your falsehoods.
Really? Where are the studies that prove that assertion?
You have answered my question: no you don't have the skills/integrity to use google.
Really? Is there a single anti-vacc that can use Google....apparently not.
There aren't any studies. That's the issue. Vaccine safety is literally *turtles all the way down.*
Aren't we lucky?
Such studies have been posted here.
And references have been posted here that demonstrate how the Turtles book blatantly lies.
What there isn't so far, is a single anti-vacc that cares what the facts are!
For harm caused
They are liable for harm caused....too bad you didn't check the law before posting.
What a strange posting!
It is "not necessary" to be healthy or even a live.
Meanwhile....with decades of data and countless billions of data points from all around the world we know that vaccines are safe and effective.
Spotlight fallacy. Medicine and public health do the same kinds of studies over and over again, and convince themselves these are *novel* datapoints.
Moreover, it is easy to claim the heroes were vaccines when in reality they were something else.
Correlation is not causation. Not every intervention matters.
Translation: you are just making things up.
Not for everyone and not every vaccine...certainly the mRNA jabs are proven ineffective to prevent COVID infections but effective in causing fatal injuries.
Thanks, those are very quantitative assertions.
So post the data and show your math.
Thanks for the acknowledgement that you have zero data and are just making things up.
Offer back to with the same level of respect!
The reason you start with childish name-calling is that you just don't have the basic reading skills to read the Nuremberg code and see how anti-vaccs have played you for a fool.
And you don't have the 5th grade math skills to see that the covid vaccines are safe and effective.
And worse of all....even to protect yourself and your family....you just can't find the integrity to ask obvious questions....like what is the data from life insurance companies.
But I still have hope for you someday you open eyes and look at facts and see how breathtakingly stupid the anti-vacc lies are!
Just anti-vacc 101...just name-calling but not a rational thought to offer....no matter how kids the anti-vacc lies kill
I’m happy with that, as long as there is a quid pro quo…make parents of unvaccinated kids who are the source of any infections to vulnerable children liable.
Liable for what? Children without comorbidity are the least vulnerable to fatal infection. Schools should never been shut down for reasons preventing COVID infection. Natural immunity in large numbers stops the spread.
"Natural immunity in large numbers stops the spread."
No it slows down the spread. And we have tried that, so we know that there are lots more dead and sick kids.....which is why no country on earth will try such an absurd strategy.
If an unvaccinated kid gets an infection and then passes it onto a vulnerable person who was unable to be vaccinated and who suffered harm, then the parents of the child should be held liable. That’s fair.
What if a vaccinated kid gets and infection and passes it onto a vulnerable person, who is liable here?
If you had an honest interest, and thought correctly, you would have started with asking what is required for liability?
https://tfblawyers.com/negligence-establish-liability/#:~:text=Negligence%20is%20what%20determines%20liability,exercised%20in%20a%20similar%20situation.
I think you won't post any such studies because your "argument" fails basic counting.....
Oh dear.....here again is pubmed:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/
If you are going to lie, you should at least try and be a bit clever!
Can you cite these studies please?
In the US they are liable.
Thing about the anti-vaccs is they count on you missing that they lie about ~everything!
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vicp/title-xxi-phs-vaccines-1517.pdf
Page 4
Yooooohooooo where is your integrity?
Why aren't you correcting your obvious error?
Thanks, now please read your link.
The key part starts at the bottom of page 1331 Part B: Additional Remedies.
And in the top couple of sentences on page 1332 it clearly explains how everyone can sue vaccine makers and administrators (i.e. who give the vaccine).
Albus, Albus, you have to exhaust all other legal remedies first.
That is correct.
You just didn't bother to detail what exactly is meant by "exhaust all other legal remedies first"
You also keep ignoring how the anti-vaccs keep lying and asserting one can NOT sue vaccine makers or administrators.
There are several countries that do not have government vaccine injury compensation programs. Those countries use the same vaccines and do not see any differences in vaccine injuries as any other country. Attacking the VICP does nothing to make vaccines safer and would only reduce the availability of vaccines while making it significantly harder for anyone with serious vaccine injuries to be compensated.
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/reports-publications/canada-communicable-disease-report-ccdr/monthly-issue/2020-46/issue-9-september-3-2020/vaccine-injury-compensation-programs-quebec.html
You are right that, excluding the Covid vaccines, other countries do use the same childhood vaccines. However, you are dead wrong in assuming that they do not see any difference in vaccine injuries. Each country has its own unique childhood vaccine schedule. One of the reasons is that they realise that the injuries caused by using particular vaccines in their population causes more harm than the actual disease, e.g. Japan does not require the MMR or the HPV vaccines.
In countries that do not have vaccine courts the injured are required to use the normal court system with its standards of proof of guilt. It is very difficult to prove causation when the manufacturers are not required to provide the safety testing of vaccines in the same way as they are for EVERY other medication. Nor are vaccine manufacturers required to do anything to improve their product when it is proven unsafe or not fit for purpose.
This assumption that drug manufacturers who have repeatedly been found guilty fraud, misconduct and hiding the adverse events of their products are suddenly upstanding, moral corporations when it comes to vaccines beggars belief.
If you BELIEVE vaccines are 'safe and effective have as many as you want. If they work you are at no danger from the unvaccinated.
It is not about belief, I provided facts right below here.....you are just silent.
Sigh....here is the Japanese vaccination schedule:
https://www.jpeds.or.jp/uploads/files/2020%20English%20JPS%20Immunization%20Schedule.pdf
I note you provided zero evidence that any country "realized the vaccine was causing more injuries then the actual disease"......
Here is the approval process for vaccines:
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/development-approval-process-cber/biologics-license-applications-bla-process-cber
It is really the same as for other products...actually a bit tougher safety testing then pharmaceuticals.
There is a basic logic error in your comments about misconduct....and on a related topic there is no assumption there is decades of real world data from throughout the developed world that vaccines are safe and effective.
Albus lied and misrepresented the facts. He doesn't understand that all other legal remedies have to be exhausted first before you can sue the manufacturers.
Also, he tried a bait-and-switch. He posted the schedule recommended by the "Japanese Pediatric Society" which is not the Japanese government.
The FDA vaccine approval process has many holes. It is routinely abused by pharma and vaccine-makers.
We agree, there sure is a lot of lying!
1. Here is one example from above:
"Congress specifically EXEMPTED them {vaccine makers} from liability.
There are lots and lots of similar anti-vacc assertions here...claims that it is impossible to sue vaccine makers...but as you clearly know, the exempt from liability claim is a flat out lie.
You are just trying to distract from the fact that it is the anti-vaccs that are lying.
And you choose to remain silent on the facts documented in the Court rulings.....
2. Also, he tried a bait-and-switch. "
No Sherlock, most folks understand that Japanese government documents tend to be in Japanese.
I simply posted the correct Japanese schedule, written in English. You just don't like the facts.
3. The anti-vaccs are just a fraud that kills children, but clearly it takes willful stupidity to fall for their lies....
1. Incorrect. The grounds for bringing the suit are so onerous as to essentially be equivalent to not being able to do so.
2. No, look at your link. It comes from the Japanese Pediatric society. You will have to do better. We cannot tell *who* made the recommendation.
3. I already disproved this using the graphs I posted before.
Nonsense. Where do you get this misinformation from?
"They had to dilute the poison so it would not be so obvious so get your head out of the sand."
You didn't provide any actual facts....and you don't understand what the word "batch" means....
Here is a guess: no one will ever make this absurd diluting poison argument in Court under oath because it is an obvious lie that fails 5th grade math.
Strange that you missed that.....
Oh look, still no facts from you...and you are silent on the fact that no one will make such absurd arguments under oath!
Bad: apparently you literally can't do the 5th grade math to see how stupid the dilution argument is.
Worse: you just don't care that it is a lie.
Why are you silent on the fact that one can sue vaccine industry and that the vaccines cause autism fraud has been so well exposed by the Courts?
https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
https://casetext.com/case/jane-doe-v-merck-co
Misrepresentation, lies from Albus. You have to exhaust all legal remedies first. Same as protection.
Thanks for acknowledging that what I posted is correct!
Like all anti-vaccs, you toss around stupid name-calling, but you didn't post a single world about the Court decisions.
What could you say? Beyond the fact that the Courts detail how the anti-vaccs are morons and frauds!
Albus, you missed the point like a person with IQ of 80.
What part of the claimants have to "exist all other legal remedies" did you not understand?
Surely, you can see how this benefits Big Pharma, no?
Sigh...
1. Again you offer not one single word about the anti-vacc fraud that is well detailed in Court rulings.
2. Basic reading skills. We were told here many, many times that it is impossible to sue vaccine makers.
You keep acknowledging that the claim of not being able to sue is a lie.
Why do you keep engaging in mindless personal attacks to try and deflect away from the simple fact that the anti-vaccs are liars?
Or....you could read the law and see that everyone in the US can sue vaccine makers claiming adverse effects.
And then you could read the existing lawsuits where the vaccines cause autism fraud is well detailed by the Courts.
But then you will know why the anti-vaccs keep lying and claiming you can't sue vaccine makers....
You just won't correct your falsehoods....will you?
" There is a cap on the amount of damages; "
Actually there is ZERO cap on damages from civil lawsuits....you know, like the ones I keep posting that demonstrate the anti-vacc fraud?
BTW: the ways that anti-vaccs deceive parents into believing in non-existent vaccine injuries are well known....if you are interested in knowing the facts.....
And the TRUTH has SPOKEN.
Everyone can sue vaccine makers claiming vaccine injuries and the anti-vaccs just keep lying about this because they lawsuits expose them as morons and frauds.
Then there is the rest of the world where US law doesn't apply...
Shielding vaccine makers from liability is standard practice world wide. https://globalnews.ca/news/7521148/coronavirus-vaccine-safety-liability-government-anand-pfizer/
Did you even read your link?
It is about vaccines that have not been licensed.
All the vaccines on the schedule--including the covid vaccines--are licensed and all Americans can sue the vaccine makers.....no matter how many times you ignore this fact it is still a fact.
Sorry, I keep making the mistake of expecting you to be functionally literate.
My bad.
Are you still here? Don’t you have a job or something else to do besides argue with strangers for days? I’m done with your style of medicine...it done me and mine dirty, so I’m out. Not coming back...
You are just mad because I keep proving that ~everything you claim is a lie.
You are embarrassed that over and over and over you just can't read or count at the 5th grade level.
And I think you are ashamed, because now in your very heart of hearts you know that the anti-vaccs played you for a fool and you have grossly failed your own children.
How sad that you would rather remain a fool then to protect your own children from fraud.
You cannot sue manufacturers for liability. You sue the government. (The only way to sue manufacturers is for fraud.)
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vicp/vicp-fact-sheet.pdf
You really need to work on your reading skills.
From YOUR link:
" Petitioners who reject the decision of the Court (or those who withdraw their claims after certain timelines are met) may file a claim in civil court against the vaccine manufacturer and/or the health care provider who administered the vaccine."
This super simple. First you have to file in the vaccine court, then you can sue the vaccine maker or vaccine administer.
And one more time...Americans do sue vaccine makers...anti-vaccs just don't like the facts revealed in the Court rulings!
Your SINGLE argument is to always attack the character, intelligence, reading ability, and motives of those you disagree with. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that you work as a lobbyist for Pharma or are some kind of low level employee at a pharmaceutical company.
And not one single word from you about the Court rulings I posted.
As this thread demonstrates your assertion is not true. I quoted the exact section of Kristie's own link that proves she was wrong.
So what? We are all human, we all make mistakes. Just correct the error and move on to the next topic.
But just like all the anti-vaccs, in all the other treads about the law, all you have done to deflect and try to hide a very simple fact: the anti-vaccs lie when they claim you can't use vaccine makers.
Here is another fact. You, like all the other anti-vaccs, have not posted one single word about the Court rulings where Americans have sued vaccine makers.
Not one single word from you......
https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
https://casetext.com/case/jane-doe-v-merck-co
Big hint here: since people do sue vaccine makers it must be possible to sue vaccine makers!
Yes they do....BUT they can’t for the ones listed on the CDC childhood schedule. Those are protected.
Unless fraud is involved...but not for damages if it’s approved and recommended for children.
Kristie's link above proves you are wrong!
Seriously, why can't you ever read the words correctly?
Page 4. Petition for Compensation
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vicp/title-xxi-phs-vaccines-1517.pdf
One more time....please read the words in YOUR link....pages 1331/1332!
Still reading?
Dr. Offit, it is people like Albus that make people distrust science and public health.
Nope, it is the anti-vacc lies and your repeated inability to read and count that makes you distrust.
That is mostly on you.
"stop vaccinating everyone 100% of the time for the next FIVE years.........AND THE TRUTH WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF."
Sometimes I wish this would happen, so we can reset people's perceptions of the threats posed by vaccine-preventable disease.
Lets have polio epidemics surge across the globe paralysing and killing our kids, let;s see measles outbreaks killing our children, let's have women losing their babies to congenital rubella, let's see our hospitals filled beyond capacity with cases of meningitis, pertussis, rotaviral gastro, pneumonia, let's see tens of thousands of babies die from tetanus across the globe because mothers couldn't get a tetanus shot in pregnancy.... let's roll the clock back to the 18th century and THE TRUTH WILL SPEAK FOR ITSELF!
Medicine is exceedingly resistant to change and challenges in its practices; even hand-washing was rejected for decades, even after germ theory was recognized as a source of infection. I think we're seeing the same thing at work here with vaccines. Vaccines are another medical fad that will, at some point, pass into medical history as an "oopsy." We just have to push harder. We know now, for example that most infectious childhood diseases ended with the coming of clean water, good sewage treatment, cleaner air, and especially better nutrition.
Vaccines will be looked back on as an “Oopsy”?
What nonsense. Just take one vaccine, smallpox. It helped eradicate a global scourge, in the process saving nearly half a billion lives.
Oopsy? 🤪
😂 you’re a funny guy...I bet you believe that the government loves you, the FDA protects you, the CDC is looking for your best interests and Tony Fauci is a saint too.
You make a good point. There are always errors made and psychology is always important.
For example, some folks won't use their basic counting skills to see the obvious fact that :
"We know now, for example that most infectious childhood diseases ended with the coming of clean water, good sewage treatment, cleaner air, and especially better nutrition."
Is clearly an anti-vacc lie...because that would mean admitting they were played for a fool.
Yes, it’s amazing how many people think diseases like smallpox were eradicated by drinking clean water, or hand washing.
A primer in infection transmission would be in order. Judging from the number of ignorant folk here an advisory course would be oversubscribed.
You are looking at it from an incomplete standpoint. Mere exposure is not akin to infection.
The strength of the host and its immune system makes all the difference.
Vaccines or not, if you drink "poop water," your body is going to have problems.
I understand that not everyone is a scientist or has the basic skills to evaluate such assertions.
But I will never understand someone that won't look at facts to protect their children's health.....even if it means admitted they were fooled by liars.
Albus, you are making Dr. Offit look bad.
Look at the graphs yourself here:
https://open.substack.com/pub/unrestrainedinquiry/p/for-the-umpteenth-time-vaccines-did
Question?
1. "We know now, for example that most infectious childhood diseases ended with the coming of clean water, good sewage treatment, cleaner air, and especially better nutrition."
Can you truly not understand that sentence?
2. Can you not read the graphs in your link?
3. Or both?
No they won’t pass, sadly, they are too effective at damaging people just enough to require them to be on drugs for the rest of their lives. Creating customers for life is pharma’s business model. It’s very effective.
1. Dissolving illusions is a bunch of lies, grifting money from folks not smart enough to read a graph.
2. your substack, in addition to be really quite stupid, references gross fraud for its "data".
Thanks again for demonstrating that it takes willful stupidity to fall for the anti-vacc lies.
Seriously, can you just not read a graph?
Albus, these are non-intellectual arguments of a 5-year old. You need to do more than throw around insults.
Infectious disease mortality did drop mostly before vaccines. That is an established fact.
Which lies are you referring to?
Mortality rate is the WRONG thing to measure for vaccines.
Dissolving Illusions makes money preying upon fools.
That is a relevant established fact!
If you mean a dramatic increase in vaccine-preventable-illness, then you are right on target.
Please provide a citation for this. Vaccine-preventable illnesses mostly dropped from 1900-1960s, save for a few diseases (measles and chickenpox) which ceased being dangers anyway during this period.
Please work on your basic reading and counting skills.
How are my skills incorrect? Please state your reasoning rather than throwing insults.
Seldom does this make you look credible before onlookers.
1. The graphs YOU posted don't support the assertion that:
"Vaccine-preventable illnesses mostly dropped from 1900-1960s"
2. Your argument fails basic counting.
E.g. https://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/surv-reporting/cases-by-year.html
To be clear, if you want some more meaningful conversation, don't argue by assertion....especially with such obviously insane assertions.
If Paul Offit had any integrity in this he would have been more analytical in his VRBPAC assessment of Pfizer’s own claims compared with the actual Pfizer data. Both VAERS and other countries reporting systems significantly under report serious adverse events, yet, in Pfizer’s own words and in the Periodic Safety Update reports out of the EU, the numbers and range of these SAEs are hugely significant raising the need for further scientific inquiry. In the first 6months of the rollout, PSUR #1 reported 1.3 million serious adverse events in it’s population. While small compared with the target population, surely concern should have been aroused. Time to sit back, reevaluate the data and have a reasoned scientific debate about the findings that the FDA/CDC had during the EUA and subsequently. Truth is out there but may have more than one side to it. I am afraid these ‘experts’ have lost my Trust for good.
“PSUR #1 reported 1.3 million serious adverse events in its population.”
Nope. Citation needed, as well as evidence the events were “serious” adverse events.
And you do know an adverse event isn’t the same thing as an adverse vaccine reaction, I hope?
Clue: A fractured arm from a fall 2 weeks after vaccination is counted as a serious adverse event (but it is not a serious adverse reaction).
This claim that people will report a fractured arm as a vaccine adverse event is just plain stupid. The reality is that most adverse events go unreported as people don't link the events. Only the most obvious temporal events are reported.
Doctors are required, but fail, to report ALL potentially connected events because they are unable to assess accurately whether or not there is a causal link. Events are generally reported by the public when their medical provider dismisses a link because they have no training in how to identify vaccine adverse events.
Events are reported within vaccine studies. Every event will be recorded, including those with no obvious vaccine link (ie this will encompass things like a fracture).
Post licensing, events can be recorded through reporting systems such as VAERS. As they take great pains to point out, a reported event doesn’t imply causality, merely temporal association. All serious events are investigated and serious events shown to be due to vaccination are very rare.
PS: Don’t think obviously unrelated events aren’t reported; would you like links to the VAERS reports of penile enlargement following Covid vaccines, or multiple orgasm?
Oh you mean like the motorcyclist who died in an accident but was counted as a Covid death????
Again....you just made that up right!
Yes, the apocryphal biker. One among 1.1 million.
Oh look , no supporting data.
Guess there is no chance you will read the links to the life insurance companies that I keep posting.....
So no, you won't read the reports and see how the anti-vaccs lied to you.
"This claim that people will report a fractured arm as a vaccine adverse event is just plain stupid. "
If you try reading the reports you will find lots and lots of obviously absurd reports....the famous joke one that a vaccine turned him into the incredible hulk!
Here’s another ‘clue’ a ‘positive’ PCR test at >26Ct then death from a gunshot wound 2 weeks later does NOT equal a ‘Covid’ death. Oh, um it does though. How convenient.
Guess that means "no" that didn't happen and you just made it up.
Where is this documented?
Thanks,
Reading the comments at a glance, it would appear that most people aren’t falling for your vaccine propaganda any longer, Dr. Offit.
Reading the anti vax comments only shows that they're immune to evidence and motivated by ideology, not science.
On the contrary Mr. Rice, you’ll find that most anti-vaxxers were in fact pro vaccination for the better part of their lives and it was only after doing considerable research and examining the actual evidence (that is, studies not funded by the pharmaceutical industry or their henchmen in respected but compromised educational or other institutions receiving government funding or dirty grant money from a laundry list of conspiratorial “philanthropic” organizations) that they became aware of the magnitude of the con. As long as Pharma is funding it’s own “science” you can bet that the resulting studies will continue to show no harm, even when there is incontrovertible proof that correlation is in fact highly likely. The books Turtles All the Way Down and Dissolving Illusions by Dr Suzanne Humphries might be a good place for skeptics such as yourself to start.
Yep. My kids started off following the approved schedule until the side effects starting showing up. Epilepsy, ADHD, Autism etc. We quit totally and the remaining unvaxxed children experienced none of the undesirable side effects and none died from the things they weren’t vaccinated against. Spew all the crap you like about anti-vaxxers...we didn’t start off this way. Kneeling beside your kid convulsing on the ground holding their head so they don’t beat it into the floor at 4 o’clock in the morning and paying $1000 dental bills repairing chipped teeth from seizing and smashing their head on the tub changes your perspective on all these safe and effective and non-toxic substances (that list these as possible side effects) we allowed them to be injected with.
I am very sorry for the terrible health problems you describe..
That is a good reminder of the true evil done by the anti-vacc fraud.
Not only were your remining kids needlessly risked, but countless 100s of millions of valuable research dollars have been wasted reconfirming the already confirmed fact that vaccines don't cause autism.
Too bad that money wasn't spent on any of the potential treatments that might have really helped your family!
Sorry you had such a hard journey to finding the truth Jonathan. Glad you came out on the other side.
"truth" that word doesn't mean what you think it means.
This is where I point out that examples have been posted here already....for example starting in the second paragraph of Turtles ...where the book just obviously and really stupidly lie....but so far none of the anti-vaccs have been willing to read the words.
Don't be silly.
The same folks that can't figure out that Mercola/Tenpenny/Wolf etc etc are grifters selling BS just clearly can't understand Dr. Offit's article.
Dumbledore,
Please see my response to Eddie Rice below. Apologies but I haven’t the time or patience to repeat myself. Best of luck having your mind expanded and opinions/personal confirmation bias challenged. ✌🏼
It is just psychology.
I am sure you have the basic reading skills to see your sources are big piles of stupid lies.....you just choose not to look.
Funnily enough, I’d argue the same about you. Those alphabet agencies and institutions you believe to be the pillars of democracy holding up society? Well they’re rotten to the core. At least I’m no longer falling victim to those illusions.
I note your continued refusal to read the references and see your books lie.
The difference I posted the exact quotes from the books and the references where all it takes is the integrity to read the words to see your books lie.
You are victim of the anti-vacc fraud that is--to be blunt--so staggeringly stupid you literally have to refuse to look at the words.
Did you really miss that ~everything posted here from an anti-vacc is at best BS?
It’s pointless to argue with Paul Offitt who has one goal ...make money for pharma. He cares nothing about your health.
Correction: since the anti-vaccs can't put together a rational thought, it is impossible for the anti-vaccs to argue with Dr. Offit.
Your insults to everyone are laughable and useless. You have zero credibility. People are very untuned to the fraud perpetrated on humanity and if you can’t see it, one of two things. 1: you are part of the scam or 2. You are a list cause until you or your loved ones experience injury or SADS.
Hey I keep posting the relevant links.
If you chose not to use your ~5th grade reading skills and see that the anti-vaccs stupidly lie about ~everything....well that is on you.
I note what you didn't say.
You didn't say anything like: "Ok Al, I will read one of the links you posted".
Yup, the anti-vaccs lies are so staggeringly stupid you literally have to refuse to read the words.
Such crap! Why anyone who has taken a serious scan of the rampant corruption of government and their 3-letter agencies would take belief in any "studies" from those currupt entities is just beyond truth and reality, and IMO, blasphemous.
Thanks for offering every single rational argument that anti-vaccs have to offer!
I take issue with the statement that myocarditis and blood clots were not anticipated to be problems associated with the Covid vaccines. They were both identified as potential side effects of concern in FDA briefing documents.
That adenovirus vectors can cause thrombocytic thrombocytopenia has been known in the literature since 2007.
They should have been monitored closely and any issues detected far more swiftly than the CDC later (begrudgingly) acknowledged, long after other countries had done so. To claim myocarditis rates of only 1 in 50k is to obscure & diminish the much higher rate in young men.
This article is disingenuous at best. And I’m being very generous there.
I take issue with anything that comes out of Paul Offit's mouth. I never thought I'd believe someone could lie more than a lawyer but in this situation it's a slam dunk. This guy has no soul.
Here is a crazy idea: instead of gross personal attacks, how about if you try getting a fact or two correct first????
"This article is disingenuous at best. And I’m being very generous there."
Thanks for today's irony.
"I take issue with the statement that myocarditis and blood clots were not anticipated to be problems associated with the Covid vaccines. They were both identified as potential side effects of concern in FDA briefing documents."
You forgot to post the briefing documents. Here they are:
https://www.fda.gov/media/144246/download
https://www.fda.gov/media/144434/download
And where exactly where were they identified as potential side effects of concern?
Then we can go on to the math of myocarditis...
No I am not.
1. Why are you ignoring the fact that what Sophocles is factually incorrect? The bar here is basic reading skills.
2. I have a long standing interest in improving science literacy and as we see over and over here an amazing number of adults are breathtakingly scientifically illiterate.
3. Mostly I am just sick of the anti-vacc fraud killing people....and I am really tired of folks that don't care the anti-vaccs are a fraud.
Yoooohoooo,
Where is your integrity?
You are so funny! Mr Siri is getting quite close to the truth - vaccines are dangerous. And you’re trying to cover up this fact with semantics. I guess Mr Siri is capable of better logic.
“LOGIC”, period!!
Actual Siri runs a business grifting money from folks that just can't follow 5th grade science.
Why do you think he won't stand up in Court and make his same claims under oath?????
I’ve read through your one man crusade to protect the poor vaccine manufacturers in these comments and do you know the only thing that surprises me? You don’t have a Ukraine flag as your thumbnail.
Still searching for a single rational thought to offer?
Maybe you just don't have one!
You know what doesn't surprise me?
You failed to offer any actual thoughts or data or logic....nothing at all!
Where’s your Russian flag?
I don’t get dragged into psyops
Let me correct that for you.
You don't have a rational thought to offer.
But then--just like Siri--a lot of natural health is just lies used to grift money from fools.