During the early stages of the COVID pandemic, both the CDC and FDA used certain words or phrases that inadvertently frightened or confused the American public.
Losing trust in the institutions has had a crippling effect on me. I didn’t realize how much I depended on them until that trust was trampled on with government’s misinformation, censorship and propaganda. The worldwide narrative safe and effective follow the science was unproven but pushed regardless. I trusted which was the worst mistake of my life. Untold numbers of people suffering from vaccine injury or death have suffered greatly, not only from the vaccine injury itself but by the cruel treatment dealt out by the government. No acknowledgement, no assistance with doctors helping the injured, the condescending attitudes of so many doctors. We’re not sure if they were instructed to deflect or deny, deny, deny, it was soul destroying. With no help people desperately needed support, answers, looking for ways out of this terrifying nightmare we were in early on and for many people continues. But, social media was instructed to censor. Do you have one iota of a clue of how frightening our experiences have been? I understood at first because the house was on fire, but now there aren’t any excuses. We’ve learned what has been found in the “vaccines.” I now only trust qualified ethical scientists who are not funded by pharma.
"I now only trust qualified ethical scientists who are not funded by pharma."
So who do you trust then?
And I assume that includes scientists at life insurance companies and health insurance companies/systems.
Good news: with the real-world experience--and countless billions of datapoints--from life/health insurance companies/systems we know for certain that the vaccines are safe and effective.
That’s gotta be why last spring the vax manufacturers reduced the mRNA payload in vax doses... because they did so much initial research, without seeing any side effects, so they decided to lessen the ingredient that wasn’t doing any harm to anyone.
If they had done all this research and testing, and found it so safe and effective, why the need to make the bait and switch change?
The only reasonable explanation is that they didn’t do the work to be able to make such outlandish claims, and now they are quietly trying to reduce the carnage of their dangerous and ineffective product as they ride off into the memory-hole sunset with their billions in ill-gotten gains.
Haha, yeah right. And still the variant they chose to target was no longer the primary variant in circulation by the time they rolled out the new shots.... as has been the case with every update.
The gene therapy experiment is killing/maiming people that COVID wouldn’t have. Pharma and the likes of Fauci are simply trying to dilute the poison so that by the time where they are effectively rolling out saline, they will be able to memory-hole the damage done by previous versions and... Since the clot-shot doesn’t do anything to prevent contraction or spread of COVID anyway (and the claim that ‘it stops severe adverse reactions is a useful idiot’s Appeal to Ignorance that cannot be proven in a disease with such a small starting baseline mortality rate).
After they have sufficiently diluted the vax to hide their mistakes/Nuremberg violations, they will be able to point to the ‘safe and effective’ track record of their saline vax and tell people that all the collapsing athletes/tv hosts, heart attacks/strokes of otherwise healthy people, and turbocancers were all just figments of their over-active imaginations.
And you are trying to help them get away with it. Shame on you.
The reasonable explanation is this...the previous booster covered 2 prevalent variants of SARS2, but then there was a switch in virus prevalance to a single dominant variant, so the vaccine manufacturers dropped the bivalent shot and made it a monovalent one.
Scott Davison clarifies that vaccines are not responsible for increased deaths, but this was due to post Covid complications and other consequences of the pandemic.
Hope React19.org can help you & many, many thousands of others. It’s horrifying to see defenders, just plain ignore the injured. If it ends up being only 10%, that’s 24.5 million Americans, millions more around the world. This needs attention & therapies!!
Many are blind to the jab causing injury and death, or have a ve$ted intere$t in defending their po$ition. For one of the therapies, I've managed to reduce my cost per capsule of Nattokinase @4000FU to $0.04 per capsule. The howto is on my Rumble page. Onto traditional vaccine recovery, I've completed a 1 month safety test of an oral chelation therapy regiment using calcuium disodium EDTA in the morning, and remineralizing with Ca, Zn, and Mg in the evenings. After I complete a one month safety trial of Malic acid, I'm going back to ca-edta for a couple more months, just to be sure. The neat thing about all of this is that they are self-monitoring treatments that appear to be safe in spite of fascism in medicine claiming they aren't safe.
So why do you take nattokinase and chelation therapies, if you didn’t get vaxed? Pointless, surely?
My moon-howling/milk bath therapy is a safe and guaranteed way to counter the deadly vaccine spike protein, while simultaneously enhancing the benefit of the natural spike protein you get from repeated attacks of Covid.
Unlike the vaccine, Nattokinase dissolves the spike protein and reduces transmissibility of the virus. I consider it supportive of natural immunity.
Nearly 3 years after first exposure to SARS-COV2, it was also useful in clearing up my circulation and eliminating cramps in my extremities.
On Chelation therapy regimens, I still got 2 childhood injections in the 60s. and a sugar cube, with the first injection being the cause of my childhood asthma. As for why I would consider chelation therapies useful, that goes back to the primate study and where they found the mercury in autopsies.
I managed to avoid any vaccine side effects by a regimen of howling at the full moon each month, and taking a bath of asses’ milk every fortnight. This negates the toxic spike protein from the vaccine, but not the health-giving benefits bestowed by naturally acquired spike protein.
The how to is on my Rumble page, with the details of the extra essential ingredients available for $39.99 per month.
That seems like a LOT of work. My household avoided adverse effects of the jab by NOT getting it. In fact, my very advanced daughter has had none of the vaccines.
What I mean by advanced. 5' 2 1/2" tall, BMI normal, D-cups, no chronic health issues and no allergies.
Feel free to use anecdote or anecdotal in your response, implying I shouldn't trust what I see with my own eyes. I'll understand. However, and conversely, my mother's side of the family, young and old, all got the covid shot and now I have. a dead cousin with more casualties expected. In my city, I freely give Nattokinase to people who want to survive the mistake of MRNA.
Step back a bit. Don't let the boobs intimidate nor dominate your perspective. Realistically, there is no master race. There is simply damaged and less damaged. Big Harma never had a chance.
I feel bad for the people who fell for a shot that is pure poison and now not knowing when it’s gonna be their turn to have some kind of serious adverse event. It seems the smarter that people think they are, the more they lined up and rolled up their sleeves in a hurry.
Albus, ahem.... there ARE people SUING the government to allow them TO SUE Big Pharma and the government over vaccine injuries. They have to sue to regain their right to sue, because (despite your lies to the contrary) people cannot sue Big Pharma due to vaccine injuries.
Gramma, we just ignore Albus and maybe he will go away. He won’t be around much longer bc that next variant is going to give him heart failure since he’s had all the shots. Just google that.
Words absolutely do matter, but the sincerity and veracity behind them matters even more. In this era of doublespeak, “warp speed”actually conveyed to me a miraculous and heroic quantum leap into a future tech worthy of Star Trek, and trusting in science and expert analysis like that you contributed to, I couldn’t roll my sleeve up fast enough in January 2020. This was the Trump administrations most laudable allocation of resources. I think a Democratic administration would have done much the same, but may have been more restrained in terms of regulatory norms? A 911 scale death event each day in the US alone was incredibly defeated. I don’t think any words could have overcome the contrarian, fearful, and conspiratorial algorithms in the heads of those you mentioned, and how that infectious meme was spread to millions faster than any vaccine help could arrive.
Here’s what a flawed messenger bearing words of any kind does to undermine trust. As certain names become automatic polarizing triggers I’ve replaced one with he/his as an experiment in how our brains might consider language differently before rushing to attack or defend rather than consider, adopt or reject rather than listen...
“(He) has done more than straight-up lie about the state of the sky. He honed a special talent for making political language slippery, introducing confusion where there was once shared understanding. Last September, he called himself the “No. 1 environmental president since Teddy Roosevelt.” That isn’t just a head-scratching boast; it undermines the word “environmental.” A word untethered to reality starts to lose its meaning. (He), after all, pulled the United States out of the Paris Agreement and worked to prop up the fossil fuel industry; if that’s what an environmentalist does, then environmentalists are … anti-environment.
And what to make of an “Environmental Protection Agency” that doesn’t protect the environment? Despite his oft-repeated vision of America having “the cleanest water, the cleanest air,” his administration actively undermined that possibility. Left unchecked, the EPA’s full plans to dismantle clean air and water protections would have led to a conservative estimate of 80,000 premature deaths per decade, according to one Harvard study from 2018.
If you’ve read 1984, the George Orwell classic that explores a dystopian society where a totalitarian regime crushes critical thinking, then the idea that an agency could carry out the opposite of its mission might sound familiar. “The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture, and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation,” the book explains. Originally published in 1949, the book quickly rose to the top of Amazon’s bestseller list after (he) won the 2016 election. Orwell coined “doublethink” — a form of brainwashing that encourages people to simultaneously hold two beliefs that contradict each other — way before Kellyanne Conway, (his) former senior counselor, came up with “alternative facts.”
Can you quote the 80K study? what assumptions did they make? What biasis did they put in their modeling? Did they account for the additional economic ability of those who benefited from the reduction in costs in their products or reduction in compliance costs? If it was only a pollution is bad study, then sorry, its a crap thing to use for your example.
And do some research on the Paris accords. Who was the only country to meet their goals? Why would you keep an agreement where your the only one following through on it.
A great counter example would be proposed gas stove ban. Gas appliances generally have a COP of 2-4 depending on what type of gas used and insulation of the unit. A electric appliance generally runs 1-3.5 depending on if its a heat pump or Geo combined unit.
Why does the goverment feel that the decrease in CO2 emmisions(Natural gas generally burns 99-100% CO2) causing all of us to use more energy to save just a few K of lives?
This is what he was talking about when trying to reduce the amount of regulations the epa puts out vs dismantling it.
Your logic is bad and by utilizing that comment, your creating a different logical fallacy.
Your comment is a good example of whataboutism, and your barrage of questions demonstrates an argumentative technique that sows confusion rather than engagement.
By way of response, I’ll redirect you to considering the example of Scott Pruitt, the former EPA head under Trump, who showed absolute hostility towards the environment from within an agency charged with protecting it:
Our kids and grandkids stand to suffer a collapsing planet. It’s breathtaking that some people would rather “drill drill drill” in response. It’s double speak and double down at the same time.
If you would like to spend any energy responding, please defend the record of Scott Pruitt. I don’t see how it’s possible, but I would find it fascinating.
Hi Melissa - not sure what you mean. It seems like a pretty straightforward example of double speak to call yourself the best environmental president since... and then actively dismantle clean air and water protections, while placing climate change denying fossil fuel leaders in charge at EPA, and presently promising political retribution and drilling as the only two absolute priorities for the first day of a potential second term. How are we supposed to square that in our heads other than doublespeak?
Averting the planet wide catastrophe of unmitigated climate change from human activity should be at the top of our list of urgent civilization-wide concerns, regardless of political party. It’s why someone like RFK is not all bad, despite his very misleading stance on vaccines, I’ve heard he was quite righteous when it comes to the environmental fight.
There is no catastrophic climate change! CO2 is .04% of our atmosphere gasses. 20 years ago it was .03%. If it gets lowered to .02% planet life starts dying! Plants mush have CO2 to make oxygen for us! We must not kill people in the name of climate change! More people survive winter and summer because of electricity and fossil fuels, fact! Fewer people in the world are without food because of fossil fuels and its byproducts, fact! Solar and wind cannot produce enough electricity for the world ti run. Solar panels take toxic rare earth minerals that children are mining and becoming sick from. The panels and turbines cannot be produced without fossil fuels! The EPA has been running unchecked and set rules that our elected officials did not create and vote on! Trump did not allow air and water to be freely polluted, there is a place in between stringent stifling rules and reasonable conservation and protection!
Hi Melissa - your heart is in the right place caring about people and the planet, but make no mistake, scientists and lived experience show us that we are living (dying?) through the 6th mass extinction event in the history of the planet. This one is driven by human activity. It sounds like you care about animals, too, so here is a good link:
The assumption of human causation cannot be confirmed. If nothing else, all the geoengineering that's been done since the 1940's has completely confounded this issue:
Where’s the study that shows what % of the lower left to upper right global warming trend since the Younger Dryas ~14k yrs ago is natural vs man made?
Do you also believe that the data has always borne out that children should never have been given the vax due to the nonexistent risk-reward analysis of a disease that didn’t significantly pose risk to children?
Careful with black and white, all or nothing thinking as demonstrated with the use of words like always, never, nonexistent, etc.
There were no risk free propositions, but vaccination was and is the better choice, kids included. Any expert, credible medical organization states this. It’s usually individuals who stoke fear and anger to the contrary. Kids get banged up by Covid too:
And save the ‘black and white, always never’ garbage. The data at no point during the pandemic bore out significant risk to healthy children. Certainly not enough to use them as human guinea pigs.
We never had enough data to back the ‘safe and effective’ claim. Anyone who says otherwise is either corrupt or a useful idiot.
That’s completely ridiculous and MD’s like you who are towing this line have led to the biggest loss of confidence of modern medicine... And rightfully so.
The vax should never have been approved for anyone under 65yrs old without significant co-morbidities, especially children.
The ‘follow the science’ crowd that cherry picked data, manipulated studies, and carried water for pharma to protect their grant money completely failed to adapt to the actual data as it evolved, doubling down on incorrect policies and assumptions... in the face of real data supporting risk-stratification, the negative efficacy of boosters, incorrect matching of vax strains with actual circulating variants, clotting and other cardiovascular side effects, turbo cancers, etc.
The rise in all-cause mortality in the post-vax era is undeniable. Yet the propaganda machine suppresses any conversation as to the cause of this multi-standard deviation dislocation from historical norms, and the medical community mysteriously lacks of any curiosity or initiative to understand this black swan event... because of their fear of departing from the pharma-approved narrative.
It’s a disgusting ongoing crime against humanity being propagated by either greed or a narcissistic inability to admit being wrong.
The medical community needs to start apologizing for their corruption and failure to uphold their Hippocratic Oath...while violating the Nuremberg Code. Their collective inability to do so is a disgrace.
Anti-vaccs prey upon folks that have lots of inflammatory comments....
But can't do the basic math to understand how the anti-vaccs lie about all-cause mortality....or negative efficacy of boosters or side-effects etc, etc.
The same people that won't listen to qualified statisticians.
BTW: you should really try reading the Nuremberg code or the oaths that Drs. actually take.
"The rise in all-cause mortality in the post-vax era is undeniable."
It's not only deniable, it is patently false.
All cause mortality as depicted by excess deaths above that expected has declined since vaccination. It was directly linked to Covid mortality, and spiked at the same times there were Covid spikes, and additional deaths were due to a combination of deaths post Covid from longer term complications and also the increase in deaths caused by a reduction in medical capacity for urgent and non-urgent medical problems during the Covid spikes.
Here is the US excess death data (note how it has fallen back to baseline, and how spikes corresponded exactly with Covid surges.
If the fully licensed vaccine (Pfizer's Comienaty) is exactly the same as Pfizer's EUA vaccine, why is Comirnaty not available in the US? One reason is that the vaccine injuries attributable to an EUA vaccine are covered under a different vaccine injury compensation system, one that has been woefully ineffective in identifying and compensating victims. I will be extremely reluctant to take a non FDA licensed, EUA vaccine in the future. As Dr. Offit points out, the EUA COVID vaccines were not tested for longer term safety issues.
I know that. But, from what I have read, Comirnaty is not available in the US, only the EUA vaccine is used. If you have updated information please share.
Just Google it. You can find out whether the local CVS has it.
Pfizer even has a page where you put your ZIP Code in and it will throw out a list of local pharmacies and you can go to their page and make an appointment. Literally every CVS near me has it, and has had it since at least the spring.
You could go to your local pharmacy and see Comirnaty vials....but I think you won't because then you would have to admit that workflowy lies to its readers.
Yes, but clearly, since they've had Comirnaty, and I and everyone else in Los Angeles could get it tomorrow if we chose to do so, it is definitely available in the US.
That was too fast. Where was the reproductive safety data? Where was the long term safety data? What about the pressures of natural selection that occur when a vaccine is administered during an active disease outbreak? Who thought it was a good idea to guess that the drug wouldn't be distributed from the injection site? Why do a handful of mice count as millions of children? There was no safety when there was no data and when there were so many unanswered questions. We have some answers now. Those answers point to danger, not safety.
There was plenty of short term human data on safety. Long term data accrues post licensing, when the vaccine has been in use for a more prolonged period, and this is what Phase 4 studies explore.
Your statement about phase 4 studies is mostly correct, they can occur pre- and/or post-market. The trials were unblinded early, leaving no placebo control group to effectively assess differences over time. However, I am addressing the narrow issue of a specific drug, not the broad process of drug approval. My statement is correct. There are no long term safety studies. That is important to me and some other people.
People got covid vaccines, they still got covid and sometimes more than once and some died. I am not playing Russian roulette with these covid vaccines. They are unsafe!
I do provide links to original source material whenever I can, Mike, as you'll see if you take a closer look at the resources I've been sharing. However. In this case, Fauci has done a great job of getting this video scrubbed from the Internet since it obviously does not support the current narrative.
What Bill and I understand is that the shots do not work. It is a fact that you can still get Covid. The shots cause permanent injury and even death (but it could have been so much worse, smh!) People were bribed to take the shot with french fries and donuts. Then they were fired for refusing to get the shot. We were told “the science is settled.” I still haven’t found where that part is in the steps of the scientific method. Good news for you is, you won’t have any trouble finding your next booster because people have figured all of this out.
The only data that you would believe would come from the CDC, the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies who all have deep pockets that they’re trying to pad and protect. You immediately shoot down anything else when anybody knows that the data you look at is obviously biased and all lies. I really feel bad for people who are walking around having gotten the death shots knowing deep down they never know when they are gonna not wake up or collapse, and die suddenly from a heart attack or a stroke. So sorry that you are dealing with this.
And it is very easy to see that the vaccine are effective at preventing transmission/infection/severe symptoms/hospitalizations/deaths/recurrent infections.
I understand that some folks are just innumerate.
But I don't understand folks that--even to protect the lives of their families--won't listen to qualified scientists.
You posted a really stupid anti-vacc lie....but instead of correcting the facts... you went to a different thread and posted different stupid anti-vacc lies.
No, your website doesn't link to "confirming studies", just to other antivaccine propaganda sites?
Are you genuinely unable to provide a single link to original, independent evidence or reports?
You state on your website that those getting the vaccine had a "500% increase risk of dying from cardiac disease", but the data prove you wrong. Why do you lie?
What other new product has been required/mandated to be administered in billions of doses as soon as it was released? I am concerned about a novel medication, not a me-too drug or a niche specialty product.
Not all the other vaccines. Many states allow exemptions. Very few exemptions were given for the COVID vaccines. Also, there are very few new vaccines. The first "new" RSV vaccine was quickly withdrawn from the market sometime around 1998 when it was offered to my oldest child. I declined that new vaccine. However, he had the older vaccines that had a historical record. Until COVID, vaccines have been live, attenuated viruses or dead virus. Never before has an antigen been delivered in a nanoparticle of mRNA for our cells to manufacture in unknown quantities for an unknown period of time in unknown sites of the body.
Exemptions for Covid vaccines are the same as for other vaccines, and one always had the option of just saying "No thanks" if you wanted.
What "older" rotavirus vaccine did your child receive out of interest? Rotashield was superceded by two newer vaccines 8 years later; there weren't "older" ones. Your memory is faulty.
Exemptions for COVID vaccines in the US military for just one example were not easily granted. Many other examples of denied exemptions and lost jobs as a result. Rotashield was new when my oldest child was receiving vaccines in 1998/1999. I said no to the new vaccine. It was only available for a short time before being removed from the market.
Thank you for your information! I pray lots of people can read this article and your book to open their eyes. I did not get the vaccine . I was 70, now 73, got the omicron variant nd treated with high doses of Vitamin C, D, zpak, ivermectin, zinc and albuterol. Lasted 10 days at home. From beginning I always said would not take the vaccine until it had been rolled out for a couple of years to see the effects from the vaccines. I am thankful to God for my decision!
I got omicron after three shots, and the only symptom was sleeping through a day. My wife had a more recent booster and had no symptoms at all.
I think there’s a big difference between the vaccine being less than perfect and being ineffective. At this point I suspect everyone has been exposed and has some immunity.
I wasn’t implying anything, but my experience was consistent with the official claim that vaccination provided good protection against all symptoms for about three months, and good protection against severe symptoms for much longer.
Yea I'm just using the same thing that everyone repeats to anyone unvaccinated if they didn't have any issues to prove a point:) thank you for helping.
People around me who got the shots stay sick all the time. Has anyone else noticed that? My family members barely get over one illness before they are coming down with something new. My boss has had covid 4x with the last bout being the worst. I don’t know if i ever have had covid as I never was tested. Since the plandemic roll-out, I have had a couple of seasonal allergy attacks, I occasionally have a backache (getting old is fun), and I recently had that cough that was going around that I got over with otc meds. My mother went to get tested when she had that same cough and was negative for everything and was told she wasn’t contagious (lol, everyone had it, but nah, not contagious).
I guess I could have had the non-symptomatic covid. lol! I crack myself up. But in all seriousness, I am blessed and thank God for my health! Oh, and I especially thank God for discernment!
The article shows the alarming increases in all-cause mortality. Remember, actuaries are concerned with financial loss, not the loss of life. It is postulated that these deaths might be related to post-Covid infection complications, but they have no access to that specific data. They do not speculate that the precious miraculous perfect vax could do the same damage as the virus... but, you might be too smart to make the connection. If something looks bad, smells bad, and even tastes bad, you eat it anyways if you’re an Albus.
a) Did you test positive,early on in 2020 home testing was not fully approved,so you must have tested at the hospital using PCR.The results would have taken 12-36 hours at least to confirm...but you were all better by then.Are you sure you had Covid or a bad case of brain-freeze from slurping down your Starbucks Ice Moccachino too quickly?
Not everyone who caught the coronavirus had symptoms. Depending on your phenotype ( age ,medical history etc) you may have been in the lowest risk category,or you simply spread the virus to more susceptible individuals.
Can you honestly state how long before others around you, who.were, according to you,sick with covid for two weeks...got their vaccination?.
Given that the body requires on average 21 days to mount an acquired immune response to the offending antigen..if these people were vaccinated in the 2 weeks prior to getting ill,they were unfortunately out of luck.
Can you give us honest answers to these questions?
a. yup still have the letter that was sent home with me:) telling me to chill at home and if I can't breath come back to the hospital. I was traveling when everything started, so figured it would be a good idea to go in. I also personally know one of the first people to die in my state and no amount of vaccination would've prevented his death.
Possible on the age/health bla bla bla, but my bigger point is you can't use personal antitodes on how effective something was.
b. 2 months prior to getting it. They got in early due to work stuff.
So you were not tested for coronavirus infection ,just sent home to "chill"
Surely when you speak of personsal anecdotes (not antidotes) you are referring to your own post ,not mine.Hopefully you understand and realize this.
Your answers seem to be waffling from your original post to your answer.Your credibility is zero when you rely on misinformed self-diagnosis and assumptions of the health status of others when trying to make a valid argument.You should also realize that vaccines are carefully titred for dose ,and as for any drug or antibiotic or prescription drug ,an over-consumption leads to high morbidity outcomes.
Absolutely not! The data out shows they are harmful. People getting serious adverse effects; young athletes dropping dead! These are not vaccines. I am not antivax just not this trial one.
As a senior, I was among the first to take the vaccine. Although I was older than 75, it was not available to me until mid-March. I had to wait a month between scheduling the appointment and getting the shot. My wife had to wait another two months. By the time delta hit, 60 or 70 percent of people had been vaccinated.
Despite all the fuss about vaccine opponents, there were long waiting lists for those of us who got the first three shots. I don’t think vaccine hesitancy played any roll until the following year. By the time of final approval, Delta was over, and everyone was getting omicron. Including me.
I don’t recall anyone using the term warp Speed. That was a Trump term and no one wanted to give Trump credit for the vaccine. Try and find any mainstream reporting that gave him credit for going against his political inclinations.
What I did hear was people claiming, rightly it not, that omicron was a weakened virus that served as a natural vaccine. I suspect it was less severe because most older and vulnerable people had been vaccinated.
Few people now recall what a big booster of vaccination Trump was. When the unfortunately named Operation Warp Speed was rolled out I thought, "Well at least he's getting *something* right. Also after he lost the election and the Pfizer was approved I heard him on the air going, "That was all me! Me! Me!!!" Then you must remember when he got booed for telling a crowd they should get vaccines, saying, "I got mine. I'm OK."
But he fell in line, following his followers.
Anti-vaxerism used to be a leftie thing. I used to go to this Unitarian church. Anti-vaxers out the wazoo. The anti-vaxers jump all over Dr. Offit and others for "not listening to [their] stories." Well sorry, science doesn't work like that. People go on about thousands dying after being vaccinated and if pressed they show me figures from VAERS. Well duh. If you push out vaccines and you are preferentially giving them to old people a lot of the recipients are going to die. That's one of the things we do, we old people. We die, vaccinated or not.
I guess I stepped in shit here and am about to be dumped on but here's my story: almost everyone I interact with on a regular basis is vaccinated. I know who the unvaccinated ones are. I never say anything. Nobody I am close to has died of COVID and I am grateful for that. One of my martial arts instructors damn near died before vaccines were available and that guy was one of the first on line.
The thing about VAERS is, every adverse incident that followed a vaccination is in there. Doesn't mean vaccination had anything to do with it. I participated in V-Safe so I was providing data for VAERS. During that time I got a form to fill out asking, as always, if I had been in hospital since the previous report. I'd crashed my bicycle and been taken to the hospital so I reported yes. They called me to ask about it.
The idea is to provide data to be examined for patterns. For example, if there had been a bump in the number of people crashing their bicycles three months out from vaccination that would be worth looking into. Otherwise it's the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. If it was a loved one of yours I am sorry for you, but a fallacy is still a fallacy.
Just to put things straight, regarding how bad is omicron.
Omicron appears to have comparable intrinsic severity to the ancestral Wuhan strain, although in practice severity is substantially lower in Omicron cases due to people's vaccination and previous infection with former strains (thus building 'hybrid' immunity).
There are not many studies available on this matter because the vast majority of people were either vaccinated and/or infected when Omicron arrived. Nevertheless, a study in HKong compared the intrinsic severity of Omicron with that estimated for the ancestral strain using available data from unvaccinated patients without previous infections. The age-specific fatality risk in unvaccinated hospitalized Omicron cases was comparable to the estimates for unvaccinated cases with the ancestral strain.
You Will certainly see state run media giving ALL the credit to pres Trump when the chickens come home to roost. That will be very soon in time for maximum effect in 2024 election🙄
I’ve been saying this very same thing for the last two years. It will be used tactfully against him in the near future and the final nail to destroy him from returning to the presidency.
These Democratic Marxists currently in charge are cunning and know what they’re doing.
He should step away from anything “Warp Speed”explaining that he was coerced, and advised by the corrupt experts who knew very well these shots were neither safe nor effective.
EUAs originated in the post 9/11 era and were supposed to only be deployed for confirmed bioterrorist attacks. They are explicitly "unapproved countermeasures." Why did you support universal mandate of an unapproved countermeasure for a disease with a .1 percent Infection Fatality Rate in young people, Dr. Offit?
"The Emergency Use Authorization of Pharmaceuticals: History and Utility During the COVID-19 Pandemic" -
"EUAs originated in the post 9/11 era and were supposed to only be deployed for confirmed bioterrorist attacks. "
That is not true.
Please read YOUR link again.
"which permitted the emergency use of unapproved countermeasures against chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear (CBRN) agent(s), among other authorities, when there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives"
"Agents" include natural pathogens.
Here is the reference from YOUR link:
"During public health emergencies, medical countermeasures (MCMs) may be needed to prevent or treat diseases or conditions caused by chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear (CBRN) or emerging infectious disease threats, like pandemic influenza."
The article was written in 2021. I'm talking about the ORIGINAL PRETEXT for establishing of EUA that dates from 2004, and documented in the article. Yes, there's been mission creep and Pharma exploitation since 2004, that is my entire point.
I appreciate what you've written here and think it's a very helpful contribution to the public discourse on COVID, but in anticipation of the pushback that I believe this post will generate (especially in light of the responses to your recent "Vaccine Safety: MTG" posts), I'm wondering, are you going to respond to any of the substantial posts from those here who disparage your positions, or is it your policy to not do that here?
My concern, as someone who appreciates your posts, is that by *not* responding to (or, at least, providing an *explanation* as to why you will not be responding to) the more *substantial* criticisms of those who disparage your positions, you are creating significant space for doubt in the minds of those who generally are inclined to trust and rely on what you have to say. My view would be that if you're *never* going to reply to the more substantial criticisms of your positions here, it would be prudent to post a "sticky" policy statement to that effect.
Yes Dr Offit, we ALL would appreciate if you would reply to your critics with honest and independently researched information. But alas, neither you nor your allies will hold a moderated debate with the likes of Kennedy or Malone.
And please realize that less and less people believed anything that comes from Big Pharma and its captured agencies and researchers. You all are to blame for that loss of faith. Too many bad products and way too many dead and injured people.
A debate between Offit and Kennedy would look pretty good in Kennedy's CV, but would be an awfull stain in Offit's. You do not debate with people who are on a political mission orthogonal to facts.
Manuel, your assumption is that Dr Offit and his pro-vax Pro-Pharma side are the only ones with “facts”. If their “facts” hold any merit then they should debate them. Bring the receipts that the vaccines have been fully tested to insure safety and efficacy. If there were no significant injuries and long term negative effects of vaccines then they would have very little resistance.
The fact is that many people have been inured and killed by vaccines. Those of us opposed to big Pharma do so because we have directly seen the damage of their neglect.
We all should also be questioning the integrity and honesty of an industry that has fully captured our Government and news media. An industry who profits from the diseases they manipulate to create a larger market. If big Pharma was benevolent then our country would be the healthiest in the history of humanity. But rather it is sadly the opposite. We take the most medicine, spend many times more per capita on medical care and have the worst health in the world.
This is not some political position. This is an extremely serious societal movement. Spend some time talking with people whose children have been permanently damaged by vaccines before u accuse them of some “agenda”. And please hold Dr Offit to account.
The results of the phase 3 clinical trials of COVID vaccines (made in the west) are public. Vaccine efficacy against disease was estimated in the usual way. Long-term efficacy, of course, could only be estimated in the long run. No big surprises here for those who have been studying vaccines against respiratory infections for ages.
Regarding side effects, very severe ones, could only be recorded after millions had received the shot. In Portugal, we have 3 severe side effects per 10 000 doses given. Not one single death was unequivocally associated with vaccination, there was only temporal correlation, which was expected, given the amount of people who got the shots.
When you state that “many people have been injured and killed”, I must assume you are talking many thousands (about 20 thousand in PT) so that figures are comparable with lives saved by vaccines and thus worth your concern. As you know, it is very difficult someone dying without being noticed. So you must be aware of secret cemeteries, unknown to me, where these deaths keep being pilled and hidden. Another possibility is that pathologists and forensic doctors are being massively bribed to hide causes of death. Fascinating theories.
Believe it or not, I share your concerns regarding big pharma, but that is a long way from denying the live-saving role of the COVID vaccines in the emergency situation we have gone through. Of course they have profit in their minds, but isn’t the pursue of profit the modus faciendi of anything that moves in the US? Where is your national health service? Maybe you should look otherwise for explanations...
Every medication has side effects. Aspirin and vaccines included. And yet they are necessary when we look at the bigger picture. The difficulty for those who decide, is not single focus upon those who will be hit by side effects, but rather on the balance between benefits and risks. Vaccines have been among the medications where this balance is by far the most favourable, compared to almost any medication you have in your closet pharmacy.
Even if "unequivocal" association could not be confirmed initially, no bigger red flag was needed than this to pause the rollout and investigate further.
Ok, let’s assume u are correct. How many people were actually saved?
And please don’t use a big un-proven number…. We all know the death rate of those under 80 was insignificantly low.
Now let’s assume, we are correct, many many thousands of people died unnecessarily because of an inadequately tested “vaccine”.
The excess all-cause mortality in 2021, 2022, and 2023 are higher than the Covid deaths in 2020 and 2021.
It’s your karma to believe in an experimental gene therapy rather than accept the truth of the adaptation of the human immune system and the proven reduction in virulence of a novel virus.
Just accept that our logic and data are facts. And we can move on to fixing this terrible situation caused by dangerous gain-of-function gene manipulation and the capture of Big Pharma resulting in more chronic diseases.
Prove me wrong. Show me where big Pharma has saved lives (remember it’s the 3rd leading cause of death). Show me where the lockdowns and vaccines reduced suffering and death.
It’s not our role To prove that to you.
It’s your job to show with absolute proof that the vaccines saved lives and did not create more
It is not an assumption....you didn't and still haven't provided any data to support your assertion.
2. "It’s your karma to believe in an experimental gene therapy rather than accept the truth of the adaptation of the human immune system and the proven reduction in virulence of a novel virus."
a) Basic reading error: they are still exactly NOT gene therapies.
b) basic thinking error--dead people's immune system don't adapt. And remind us how much has the virulence of e.g. rabies virus decreased? Right....it hasn't at all....it is still 100% fatal.
3. " to fixing this terrible situation caused by dangerous gain-of-function gene manipulation"
There is no gain of function research--that is why you didn't offer any actual evidence.....just another anti-vacc lie.
4. "Show me where big Pharma has saved lives (remember it’s the 3rd leading cause of death). "
No, the anti-vaccs just lie about Pharma being the 3rd leading cause of death....counting on folks to be too clueless to look up the facts.
5. Evidence they saved lives?
There isn't any.....unless you count:
Clinical trials
Life insurance companies
National health care systems
For profit health insurance companies....like United Healthcare:
"COVID-19 vaccines are a safe and effective way to protect your health. "
In 1662 by Jan Baptist van Helmont in reference to the practice of bloodletting wrote:
"Let us take out of the Hospitals, out of the Camps, or from elsewhere, 200, or 500 poor People, that have fevers or Pleuritis. Let us divide them in Halves, let us cast lots, that one half of them may fall to my share, and the others to yours; I will cure them without blood-letting and sensible evacuation; but you do, as ye know ... we shall see how many Funerals both of us shall have..."
Obviously, Helmont's heretical claim that Bloodletting was ineffective wasn't even worth debating.
This is your argument, 400 years later. That Dr Offit's claim that the vaccine saved **3 million lives in the US alone** is so beyond reproach (never mind the US had identical total deaths in 2020 and 2021) that to even question it would be affront to our faith.
Ridiculous.
This isn't debating Young Earth Creationists or Flat Earthers. This is calling out people making claims which are demonstrably false and getting to the bottom of how they could be so absolutely wrong and still attempt to take some high ground. Insane.
"(never mind the US had identical total deaths in 2020 and 2021)"
The vaccine didn't really become available until December 2020. Around that time, the Delta variant was starting to rapidly spread, a more contagious and virulent form. As you can see, the vaccination rate was about 60% by the time
Omicron (even more transmittable) became the variant of concern. It was a study that showed the severity was about the same as the ancestral variant in the beginning of the pandemic. Vaccination and natural infections made it seem mild.
Remember also Steve Kirsch founder of VSRF . He has been trying to get someone to debate him for 2+ years.He offered to pay their trip expenses yet so far heard nothing but crickets
To be clear, the meaning and intent of my post should *not* be construed as being intellectually sympathetic to your reply here. I have no intention of debating what you've said, but I don't want there to be any misinterpretation of my post as a result of your reply to it.
As for any anti-vax (or anti-federal-government) folks who "like" my original post here, if you think I'm on your side of this debate, you've misunderstood my post.
See there is your problem. It isn't a us vs them. It is a stop censoring information and hiding behind 'expert opinions' and instead start telling the whole truth and using true unbiased data. I bet alot of the issues we are having would go away, if people would stop running everything as if they could just PR every problem away.
Re "us vs them," that's generally *not* the way that I see the world, but in the case of people who are not just cautious about vaccines but are dyed-in-the-wool anti-vaxxers or anti-government types, I tend ---at least, when I'm forced to be brief due to the constraints of time (e.g., posting in a thread) --- to see things in an "us-versus-them" way. I have little patience for superstitionists and ideologues.
I agree, though, with your position that public health authorities need to tell the "whole truth," though as a practical matter telling the "whole truth" when it comes to complex scientific matters on which even experts often don't agree is always going to be more of an ideal than a reality. But, yes, US public health authorities could and should have done much a better job communicating the facts about COVID-19.
Your last part is crap if I can say so. Just because something is complex, doesn't mean you can't tell people how it is. This thinking allows the expert fallacy to be used and not present the data.
Think about masks. If they had come out and said, hey we think masks might reduce the spread, because it'll stop droplits in the air, and here are the types that it would apply to alot more people would've been ok with it. Instead we got the mask because we told you to, and as they say the rest is history.
Every problem/thing we do is complex and yet people make choices everyday without mandates. You can't use that to hide the facts and figures around things and allow experts to dictate what to do.
If you want a non covid example, the food pyramid is a perfect example of where experts should have told the whole truth, and let others decide, vs trying to tell a slated view to make it understandable.
Either you and I have different ideas as to what the meaning of "whole" is in the context of a scientific discusssion of COVID-19 and its management , or your thinking regarding the nuances and dilemmas involved in managing a COVID pandemic is simplistic (or both). I'm done here.
Ha, no I think you're idea ends with an expert telling you, that you have to do something based on some research without telling you the actual mechanism of said something.
The problem that managing covid was done in simplistic terms and by mandates from 'experts' that then were applied by everyone. You couldn't disagree with those things, even if the mandates were insane and had been proven ineffective in previous pandemics.
How can we have different ideas on the whole? isn't it all the information and allowing the people to decide the best course of action for themselves?
Just counting my immediate associates in the last six months. Throat cancer, breast cancer, dropped dead, apsis in the brain. The first one is still alive, just.
Was not confused nor frightened. I did seek out information from educated voices not biased by $ or narrative. The process and the product were the problem for me, not the words used to describe them.
Dr Offit - thank you for your insights on the handling of the pandemic and the COVID vaccine. Can you share why the ACIP decided to use the word "Emergency," and what were the alternatives discussed and ultimately not used, why?
Bottom line they made an attempt to poison the entire world, a lot of people didn’t fall for it, so they lied about the numbers to make people think it was safe ( monkey see monkey do ). People are dying left and right because of it. A lot of other people have permanent damage, and the quality of life has diminished dramatically. I’m no DR. So the means of action, route, and desired outcome of both the (Maybe virus), and the definite vaccine are beyond me, but common sense paints a pretty easy picture. Someone or some group when out of its way cause world wide panic, and Genocide. As it slowed down ,leaders decided war would be a great way to top of the tyranny. Operation dumb shit!!! Changed things forever.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic? I don’t know a lot of people who just run around believing everything they are told, or get there information from the first thing pops up on google without digging into any and all perspectives before making conclusions. What if someone sees your post on anti vaxxers and believes it, what if that destroys the quality of their life. Cause and effect is a real thing your words carry further then may think they do, and they can do a lot of damage to people who only research the first thing that pops up on google when searching for truth. Not getting vaxxed hurts know one The un un vaccinated are hurting know one they are just passing it back and fourth if it’s real. Also can you Honestly without guilt tell people that the vaccine is safe for them, like you are so sure that your willing to risk there lives on it? If so by all means go save the world, I’m sure a lot of people have you to thank for a lot of 100% true information. High five!!’
I honestly can’t believe this conversation is taking place. People really believe what you believe? Open your mouth, close your eyes, roll up your sleeve, don’t worry everything is going to be ok, we care about your wellbeing, we promise!!!!! The vaccine doesn’t enter the nucleus of the cell, Don’t worry it’s just misinformation, see you feel all better now!!!! And we made that in 2 months, imagine the possibilities!!!!! Sorry I couldn’t help myself it’s the conspiracy theorist in me!!!
I am no dr., I did however spend a year learning pharmacology, nuclear pharmacology, human anatomy, drug classifications, scheduling , oh and not only how to administer vaccinations but a lot about what goes into there creation etc. to become a tech which I accomplished. I never received less than an A on a test, i took it very seriously. I was certified, licensed, and finished my internship in a satellite pharmacy in a Chicago hospital. I planned to go to Northwestern to become a pharmacist, I would have done it with my eyes closed, had the business side of pharmacy not left me in complete disgust. I can promise you that a pharmacist knows more about drug ingredients, the route drugs take through the human body, Timing, how they are absorbed, and excreted than any Dr. so although I’m not a Dr. I have my reasons, and I can say with 100% certainty that my reasons are valid. As the world we live continuously costs us more , and more to live in, and the lengths we will go to to ensure our happiness, and the happiness of our families, I personally can not take for granted that I am being told what is best for my family, they mean way to much to me. Ultimately where does all your information come from? Text book, internet, word of mouth, and that’s pretty much it outside of personal experience. What are the chances that the information you soak up may not have your best interest in mind, considering the nature of people? People that are struggling more and more to take care of there families? Sometimes it’s best to question at least for me, I want my children to be healthy. Maybe dig a little deeper, stop labeling people, care enough to double check! or just continue to assume that anti vaxxers are doing you injustice. Let the fact checkers tell you what’s best for you if you want, I can’t do that. God bless
For the record I’m not angry at people that push the vaccine, I’m worried about them, I’m worried about there judgement, I’m worried about their safety. I don’t want bad thing to happen to people, I don’t want people to be sick, and sure don’t want people’s lives waisted by liars or narcissists, but what are the odds given the love of money, and the selfish nature of people who can dish it but not take it, that the vaccine is something much different then advertised? I can make that even simpler, what are the odds that people lie? What are the odds that marketers lie? What are the odds that evil exists in the world? Considering the odds I think that it’s perfectly normal for people to be skeptical of of not only Covid, but also the vaccine considering the way it started, the lack of information, the people pushing the narrative, and the pressure. So I would say that people wanting to be safe through something so twisted up with no real answers that landed in such a dishonest way. Not to mention the death clock on every channel, how incredibly disturbing was that? That by itself is enough? I suppose if people who think that vaccines can be trusted without actually knowing anything about them care as much about the unvaccinated as we care about them then that is the common ground we should build off of. We both worry about the safety of each other right? One of us is not concerned and the other bitter so we are equals am I correct?
If you don't want people to be sick, then you should support vaccination. There is a wealth of evidence attesting to the effectiveness of Covid shots reducing deaths and serious illness, as well as post Covid conditions like Long Covid.
The article describes all the corners that were cut, and then claims the fear was from the term warp speed, and not from all the corners that have been cut… There is a reason why it takes such a long time to actually accomplish The testing in creation of a safe and effective vaccine, which this was not as has been proven numerous ways. Perhaps COMINARTY is the same, but I wouldn’t trust that just because they say it is? It’s not like Pharma companies. Haven’t lied to us before an FDA approved medication‘s have been turned out to be dangerous and destroy.
That being said, the idea that warp speed caused, a fear is ridiculous, I would say the actual fax it to Accelerated thing caused a pause, and then its performance caused more questions, and then vaccine injuries caused more questions and doubts, never mind all the money that was thrown into peoples pockets
There is a reason that drug trials and approvals take a long time.... so you can see if there are unintended side effects that manifest over longer timeframes. Kind of important.
That and the fact that the vax they tested and the vax that they distributed were different. That’s kinda another big deal.
Your crazy desire to defer all critical thinking to corruptible ‘experts’ and profit-maximizing corporations is mind boggling. Why do you want to be subserviently governed so badly?
There is a reason you didn't detail any corners that were cut! All you have to do is to list-out the drug trial approval process to see there isn't any problem here.
"That and the fact that the vax they tested and the vax that they distributed were different."
BTW: that would be illegal....no anti-vacc will sue and make that claim in Court because it is a lie and they would go to prison for perjury,
I know this is not the point of the article, but what amazes me is that you are so steadfast in the fact that this "warped speed" vaccine timeline is still so OK. We need to admit that fast tracking a vaccine was not without major flaws and lack of understanding in true safety and efficacy.
Nope, Pfizer didn't try to hide it. They turned it over to the government as they are required to do. However, with the limited resources and money available to government agencies, it was going to take 75 years to redact all the personal information, as required by law, from the data. The data can't be released until personal information is redacted.
In truth, Pfizer is doing quite the opposite: they are actually paying for their own law firm to assist with the redactions in order to speed things up. A large law firm has software and the personnel to do this far more speedily than a government agency. (They do this sort of thing for huge document production requests all the time.) Pfizer's donation of the legal costs for this document production is the opposite of what you portray, it is an act of public good.
And, further nope, there's nothing special or unusual surfacing in that data so far.
The key point here, WynEdd, is that Pfizer only "agreed" to release the data earlier than 75 years on the basis of a federal court order, which would never have been required if Pfizer had actually been redacting and releasing the data for the "public good":
The court order is to the FDA demanding release, not Pfizer. Pfizer turned over it's testing data to the FDA as required. FDA was ordered to release Pfizer's testing data via a FOIA request. FDA was resisting the release, due to cost of redactions, not Pfizer.
After the FDA lost, Pfizer offered their legal team to help with redactions and reduce the time needed to comply with the request.
Clearly Big Pharma and the FDA have been complicit bedfellows in this whole "vaccine" debacle right from the very beginning. One need look no further than the enormous user fees pharma pays to the FDA:
Your clarification about the FDA being the named party in this court order is no vindication for Pfizer or for the FDA. In fact, it only further reflects on the dereliction of duty on the part of the FDA in attempting to hide the clinical trial data from the general public in the first place.
Moreover, it is well worth considering this alternative perspective on Pfizer's "generous" offer to step in and "help out":
The bottom line is that Pfizer clearly had a vested interest in the outcome of this court case ~ and Pfizer's role in this court-ordered data release is just one more example of the type of chicanery we've seen throughout this whole sordid saga.
Take, for example, Pfizer's request to dismiss a whistleblower lawsuit, not because Pfizer did *not* commit fraud, but because the government was already *aware* of the fraud:
And, as you might imagine, this is only the tip of the Pfizer's ginormous fraud iceberg. Consider, for example, Pfizer's April SEC filing in 2022 where Pfizer actually declared "we may not be able . . . to prevent fraud."
Beyond this, if we consider Pfizer's scandalous criminal record, it is very easy to see that Pfizer's first and only loyalty is to their shareholders and the bottom line ~ *not* to transparency, "safety and efficacy" or the "public good":
"Proof-of-concept studies in mice and monkeys were done over a period of weeks, instead of years. Phase 1 and phase 2 studies to determine the right dose and the right number of doses were combined and involved as few as 20-50 participants—instead of the usual hundreds: again, taking months instead of years. Companies then went directly to placebo-controlled phase 3 trials involving tens of thousands of participants while at the same time mass producing the vaccine, assuming their studies would prove that the vaccines worked and were safe; and if not, millions of doses would be thrown away at no financial risk to the companies. In late 2020, when more than 3,000 Americans were dying from COVID every day, phase 3 studies were completed in three months instead of several years."
Hmm - you think the companies and the government really would have thrown away all those vaccines and not recouped their money????
This all resulted in a 95% efficacy - hmm how many of those who are vaccinated got COVID - way more than 5%! And let's look at safety - myocarditis, cancer, autoimmune disorders...
The processes were accelerated but no corners were cut. The usual delays in vaccine development and production were overcome. The data were sound, and vaccine was authorised for use only when results of Phase 3 studies on around 70,000 subjects were performed.
Who do you work for - Pharma or the Government?! The fact that you actually believe that no corners were cut is amazing. The phase 3 studies aren't finished until this year - there is no long term data on the vaccines when they were rolled out - either for safety or efficacy that would normally come from correctly administered trials. And the phase 3 studies were compromised because the placebo group was allowed to get the vaccine.
Hmm - Maybe start with the first sentence of that paper - "In an ongoing multinational, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, pivotal efficacy trial" ONGOING AKA not completed!
And clearly it did not need to be unblinded - that is not how randomized clinical trials work! Show me another vaccine trial that allowed the participants in the placebo group to get the vaccine before the end of the study...
You didnt' answer my question...Do you work for Pharma or maybe the Government or some other entity being paid by vaccine profits?
Losing trust in the institutions has had a crippling effect on me. I didn’t realize how much I depended on them until that trust was trampled on with government’s misinformation, censorship and propaganda. The worldwide narrative safe and effective follow the science was unproven but pushed regardless. I trusted which was the worst mistake of my life. Untold numbers of people suffering from vaccine injury or death have suffered greatly, not only from the vaccine injury itself but by the cruel treatment dealt out by the government. No acknowledgement, no assistance with doctors helping the injured, the condescending attitudes of so many doctors. We’re not sure if they were instructed to deflect or deny, deny, deny, it was soul destroying. With no help people desperately needed support, answers, looking for ways out of this terrifying nightmare we were in early on and for many people continues. But, social media was instructed to censor. Do you have one iota of a clue of how frightening our experiences have been? I understood at first because the house was on fire, but now there aren’t any excuses. We’ve learned what has been found in the “vaccines.” I now only trust qualified ethical scientists who are not funded by pharma.
"I now only trust qualified ethical scientists who are not funded by pharma."
So who do you trust then?
And I assume that includes scientists at life insurance companies and health insurance companies/systems.
Good news: with the real-world experience--and countless billions of datapoints--from life/health insurance companies/systems we know for certain that the vaccines are safe and effective.
That’s gotta be why last spring the vax manufacturers reduced the mRNA payload in vax doses... because they did so much initial research, without seeing any side effects, so they decided to lessen the ingredient that wasn’t doing any harm to anyone.
If they had done all this research and testing, and found it so safe and effective, why the need to make the bait and switch change?
The only reasonable explanation is that they didn’t do the work to be able to make such outlandish claims, and now they are quietly trying to reduce the carnage of their dangerous and ineffective product as they ride off into the memory-hole sunset with their billions in ill-gotten gains.
Haha, yeah right. And still the variant they chose to target was no longer the primary variant in circulation by the time they rolled out the new shots.... as has been the case with every update.
The gene therapy experiment is killing/maiming people that COVID wouldn’t have. Pharma and the likes of Fauci are simply trying to dilute the poison so that by the time where they are effectively rolling out saline, they will be able to memory-hole the damage done by previous versions and... Since the clot-shot doesn’t do anything to prevent contraction or spread of COVID anyway (and the claim that ‘it stops severe adverse reactions is a useful idiot’s Appeal to Ignorance that cannot be proven in a disease with such a small starting baseline mortality rate).
After they have sufficiently diluted the vax to hide their mistakes/Nuremberg violations, they will be able to point to the ‘safe and effective’ track record of their saline vax and tell people that all the collapsing athletes/tv hosts, heart attacks/strokes of otherwise healthy people, and turbocancers were all just figments of their over-active imaginations.
And you are trying to help them get away with it. Shame on you.
The reasonable explanation is this...the previous booster covered 2 prevalent variants of SARS2, but then there was a switch in virus prevalance to a single dominant variant, so the vaccine manufacturers dropped the bivalent shot and made it a monovalent one.
...Simples!
Insurance company mortality data:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/17c90c324514
See how it works?
Life insurance companies have been clear:
1. Covid deaths/disability is much worse than the reported numbers.
2. Premiums are going up based on NOT being vaccinated.
Because the unvaccinated are at much HIGER risks.
https://www.wfyi.org/news/articles/insurance-death-rates-working-age-people-up-40-percent
https://www.thecentersquare.com/indiana/article_71473b12-6b1e-11ec-8641-5b2c06725e2c.html
Same thing with health insurance companies/systems:
"COVID-19 vaccines are a safe and effective way to protect your health."
https://www.uhc.com/health-and-wellness/health-topics/covid-19/vaccine
Scott Davison clarifies that vaccines are not responsible for increased deaths, but this was due to post Covid complications and other consequences of the pandemic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5AOHrZHG5L0&t=2080s
You can’t be serious.
Did you listen to what the life insurance CEO said?
More silence.
Are you ashamed by how workflowy again was exposed as lying?
No one
How can you make any rational decisions?
Preponderance of evidence
Hope React19.org can help you & many, many thousands of others. It’s horrifying to see defenders, just plain ignore the injured. If it ends up being only 10%, that’s 24.5 million Americans, millions more around the world. This needs attention & therapies!!
Many are blind to the jab causing injury and death, or have a ve$ted intere$t in defending their po$ition. For one of the therapies, I've managed to reduce my cost per capsule of Nattokinase @4000FU to $0.04 per capsule. The howto is on my Rumble page. Onto traditional vaccine recovery, I've completed a 1 month safety test of an oral chelation therapy regiment using calcuium disodium EDTA in the morning, and remineralizing with Ca, Zn, and Mg in the evenings. After I complete a one month safety trial of Malic acid, I'm going back to ca-edta for a couple more months, just to be sure. The neat thing about all of this is that they are self-monitoring treatments that appear to be safe in spite of fascism in medicine claiming they aren't safe.
If you aren't vaccinated, why are you taking snake oils for "vaccine recovery"?
So why do you take nattokinase and chelation therapies, if you didn’t get vaxed? Pointless, surely?
My moon-howling/milk bath therapy is a safe and guaranteed way to counter the deadly vaccine spike protein, while simultaneously enhancing the benefit of the natural spike protein you get from repeated attacks of Covid.
@Mike S ~ Because "shedding" from the vaxxed is actually a thing. Just check the Pfizer trial data if you have any questions:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/bb8062b655eb
Did you even read these links?
Very first sentence ("Plasmid disaster...") is a lie predicated on not being able to read or count correctly....and then it goes down from there!
"Just check the Pfizer trial data if you have any questions"
I already posted it. There is nothing in it that supports your claim.
Unlike the vaccine, Nattokinase dissolves the spike protein and reduces transmissibility of the virus. I consider it supportive of natural immunity.
Nearly 3 years after first exposure to SARS-COV2, it was also useful in clearing up my circulation and eliminating cramps in my extremities.
On Chelation therapy regimens, I still got 2 childhood injections in the 60s. and a sugar cube, with the first injection being the cause of my childhood asthma. As for why I would consider chelation therapies useful, that goes back to the primate study and where they found the mercury in autopsies.
It seems you ahve been badly affected by natural Covid and its deadly spike proteins, I must say...
"Unlike the vaccine, Nattokinase dissolves the spike protein and reduces transmissibility of the virus. "
Data please.
Data for Albus:
> https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36080170/
I managed to avoid any vaccine side effects by a regimen of howling at the full moon each month, and taking a bath of asses’ milk every fortnight. This negates the toxic spike protein from the vaccine, but not the health-giving benefits bestowed by naturally acquired spike protein.
The how to is on my Rumble page, with the details of the extra essential ingredients available for $39.99 per month.
That seems like a LOT of work. My household avoided adverse effects of the jab by NOT getting it. In fact, my very advanced daughter has had none of the vaccines.
What I mean by advanced. 5' 2 1/2" tall, BMI normal, D-cups, no chronic health issues and no allergies.
Feel free to use anecdote or anecdotal in your response, implying I shouldn't trust what I see with my own eyes. I'll understand. However, and conversely, my mother's side of the family, young and old, all got the covid shot and now I have. a dead cousin with more casualties expected. In my city, I freely give Nattokinase to people who want to survive the mistake of MRNA.
I don’t care what cup size your daughter is, thank you.
Step back a bit. Don't let the boobs intimidate nor dominate your perspective. Realistically, there is no master race. There is simply damaged and less damaged. Big Harma never had a chance.
https://open.substack.com/pub/lionessofjudah/p/official-cdc-data-143233-surge-in?r=pequg&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Yes....the anti-vaccs prey upon folks too clueless to read what "adverse event" means.....
And too innumerate to properly count the number of cancer cases.
Thanks for demonstrating that it is literally impossible to have a 5th grade education and fall for the anti-vacc lies!
I feel bad for the people who fell for a shot that is pure poison and now not knowing when it’s gonna be their turn to have some kind of serious adverse event. It seems the smarter that people think they are, the more they lined up and rolled up their sleeves in a hurry.
The asses’ milk left a stain.
https://open.substack.com/pub/makismd/p/summer-of-died-suddenly-collapsed?r=pequg&utm_medium=ios&utm_campaign=post
Surprise! Sometimes people collapse.
Thanks again for demonstrating exactly how stupid the anti-vacc fraud is!
You just keep telling yourself whatever makes you feel better.
"Many are blind to the jab causing injury and death, "
Data please.
Data for Albus:
> https://phinancetechnologies.com/HumanityProjects/Projects.htm
Here is their report:
https://phinancetechnologies.com/HumanityProjects/The%20VDamage%20Project.htm
Their analysis of "vaccine damage" is from data that doesn't even measure vaccine damage.
Just complete crap.
Silence.
Are you ashamed that the anti-vacc lies are so stupid?
Personally I think it is horrifying that anyone could finish middle school and not laugh at your link.
But then the Internet does make it easier for grifters to prey upon fools.
Albus, ahem.... there ARE people SUING the government to allow them TO SUE Big Pharma and the government over vaccine injuries. They have to sue to regain their right to sue, because (despite your lies to the contrary) people cannot sue Big Pharma due to vaccine injuries.
Here’s the link:
https://news.bloomberglaw.com/health-law-and-business/covid-vaccine-injury-suit-may-fuel-federal-overhaul-litigation
"They have to sue to regain their right to sue, because (despite your lies to the contrary) people cannot sue Big Pharma due to vaccine injuries."
You mean like this lawsuit?
https://mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
Or this one?
https://casetext.com/case/jane-doe-v-merck-co
Or this law firm that specializes in suing big pharma claiming vaccine injuries? You remember--the one that explains how to sue them?
https://www.wisnerbaum.com/blog/2023/april/how-to-file-an-hpv-vaccine-lawsuit/
Yup...it is the anti-vaccs that stupidly lie about ~everything!
It is you who must read the links you send. Done debating you. Never mind you are captured by the Bug Pharma system, you are rude and nasty.
Mindless repeating illiterate lies is not debating.
Oh wait, Bloomberg law news is an Anti-vax site.... dang
Don't be silly.
They just expect their readers to have basic intelligence and reading skills.
The contrast with the anti-vacc liars is obvious.
Maybe your just not familiar with the help, therapies & resources they are offering to so many?
Gramma, we just ignore Albus and maybe he will go away. He won’t be around much longer bc that next variant is going to give him heart failure since he’s had all the shots. Just google that.
You are just mad that you can't offer a rational argument.
I’m not mad I’m very happy and healthy unlike people who got the shot😁
I am very familiar with how grifters sell fake therapies preying upon fools.
Words mattered - thank God.
Thank God the Supreme Court shut down OSHA too or booster mandates would be ubiquitous, in contravention of your own recommendations.
Words absolutely do matter, but the sincerity and veracity behind them matters even more. In this era of doublespeak, “warp speed”actually conveyed to me a miraculous and heroic quantum leap into a future tech worthy of Star Trek, and trusting in science and expert analysis like that you contributed to, I couldn’t roll my sleeve up fast enough in January 2020. This was the Trump administrations most laudable allocation of resources. I think a Democratic administration would have done much the same, but may have been more restrained in terms of regulatory norms? A 911 scale death event each day in the US alone was incredibly defeated. I don’t think any words could have overcome the contrarian, fearful, and conspiratorial algorithms in the heads of those you mentioned, and how that infectious meme was spread to millions faster than any vaccine help could arrive.
Here’s what a flawed messenger bearing words of any kind does to undermine trust. As certain names become automatic polarizing triggers I’ve replaced one with he/his as an experiment in how our brains might consider language differently before rushing to attack or defend rather than consider, adopt or reject rather than listen...
“(He) has done more than straight-up lie about the state of the sky. He honed a special talent for making political language slippery, introducing confusion where there was once shared understanding. Last September, he called himself the “No. 1 environmental president since Teddy Roosevelt.” That isn’t just a head-scratching boast; it undermines the word “environmental.” A word untethered to reality starts to lose its meaning. (He), after all, pulled the United States out of the Paris Agreement and worked to prop up the fossil fuel industry; if that’s what an environmentalist does, then environmentalists are … anti-environment.
And what to make of an “Environmental Protection Agency” that doesn’t protect the environment? Despite his oft-repeated vision of America having “the cleanest water, the cleanest air,” his administration actively undermined that possibility. Left unchecked, the EPA’s full plans to dismantle clean air and water protections would have led to a conservative estimate of 80,000 premature deaths per decade, according to one Harvard study from 2018.
If you’ve read 1984, the George Orwell classic that explores a dystopian society where a totalitarian regime crushes critical thinking, then the idea that an agency could carry out the opposite of its mission might sound familiar. “The Ministry of Peace concerns itself with war, the Ministry of Truth with lies, the Ministry of Love with torture, and the Ministry of Plenty with starvation,” the book explains. Originally published in 1949, the book quickly rose to the top of Amazon’s bestseller list after (he) won the 2016 election. Orwell coined “doublethink” — a form of brainwashing that encourages people to simultaneously hold two beliefs that contradict each other — way before Kellyanne Conway, (his) former senior counselor, came up with “alternative facts.”
https://grist.org/politics/from-doublespeak-to-alternative-facts-how-trump-made-a-mess-of-the-language/
Can you quote the 80K study? what assumptions did they make? What biasis did they put in their modeling? Did they account for the additional economic ability of those who benefited from the reduction in costs in their products or reduction in compliance costs? If it was only a pollution is bad study, then sorry, its a crap thing to use for your example.
And do some research on the Paris accords. Who was the only country to meet their goals? Why would you keep an agreement where your the only one following through on it.
A great counter example would be proposed gas stove ban. Gas appliances generally have a COP of 2-4 depending on what type of gas used and insulation of the unit. A electric appliance generally runs 1-3.5 depending on if its a heat pump or Geo combined unit.
Why does the goverment feel that the decrease in CO2 emmisions(Natural gas generally burns 99-100% CO2) causing all of us to use more energy to save just a few K of lives?
This is what he was talking about when trying to reduce the amount of regulations the epa puts out vs dismantling it.
Your logic is bad and by utilizing that comment, your creating a different logical fallacy.
Your comment is a good example of whataboutism, and your barrage of questions demonstrates an argumentative technique that sows confusion rather than engagement.
By way of response, I’ll redirect you to considering the example of Scott Pruitt, the former EPA head under Trump, who showed absolute hostility towards the environment from within an agency charged with protecting it:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Pruitt
Our kids and grandkids stand to suffer a collapsing planet. It’s breathtaking that some people would rather “drill drill drill” in response. It’s double speak and double down at the same time.
If you would like to spend any energy responding, please defend the record of Scott Pruitt. I don’t see how it’s possible, but I would find it fascinating.
OMG you actually think He was bringing on 1984 into reality? Pretty words, distorting His message! You are acting as part of big brother here!
Hi Melissa - not sure what you mean. It seems like a pretty straightforward example of double speak to call yourself the best environmental president since... and then actively dismantle clean air and water protections, while placing climate change denying fossil fuel leaders in charge at EPA, and presently promising political retribution and drilling as the only two absolute priorities for the first day of a potential second term. How are we supposed to square that in our heads other than doublespeak?
Averting the planet wide catastrophe of unmitigated climate change from human activity should be at the top of our list of urgent civilization-wide concerns, regardless of political party. It’s why someone like RFK is not all bad, despite his very misleading stance on vaccines, I’ve heard he was quite righteous when it comes to the environmental fight.
Let’s talk, and both keep it respectful.
There is no catastrophic climate change! CO2 is .04% of our atmosphere gasses. 20 years ago it was .03%. If it gets lowered to .02% planet life starts dying! Plants mush have CO2 to make oxygen for us! We must not kill people in the name of climate change! More people survive winter and summer because of electricity and fossil fuels, fact! Fewer people in the world are without food because of fossil fuels and its byproducts, fact! Solar and wind cannot produce enough electricity for the world ti run. Solar panels take toxic rare earth minerals that children are mining and becoming sick from. The panels and turbines cannot be produced without fossil fuels! The EPA has been running unchecked and set rules that our elected officials did not create and vote on! Trump did not allow air and water to be freely polluted, there is a place in between stringent stifling rules and reasonable conservation and protection!
Hi Melissa - your heart is in the right place caring about people and the planet, but make no mistake, scientists and lived experience show us that we are living (dying?) through the 6th mass extinction event in the history of the planet. This one is driven by human activity. It sounds like you care about animals, too, so here is a good link:
https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/what-is-the-sixth-mass-extinction-and-what-can-we-do-about-it
The assumption of human causation cannot be confirmed. If nothing else, all the geoengineering that's been done since the 1940's has completely confounded this issue:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/266dd3db90d2
Where’s the study that shows what % of the lower left to upper right global warming trend since the Younger Dryas ~14k yrs ago is natural vs man made?
Do you also believe that the data has always borne out that children should never have been given the vax due to the nonexistent risk-reward analysis of a disease that didn’t significantly pose risk to children?
Careful with black and white, all or nothing thinking as demonstrated with the use of words like always, never, nonexistent, etc.
There were no risk free propositions, but vaccination was and is the better choice, kids included. Any expert, credible medical organization states this. It’s usually individuals who stoke fear and anger to the contrary. Kids get banged up by Covid too:
https://publications.aap.org/pediatrics/article/152/2/e2022060351/192816/A-Systematic-Review-of-Persistent-Clinical
And save the ‘black and white, always never’ garbage. The data at no point during the pandemic bore out significant risk to healthy children. Certainly not enough to use them as human guinea pigs.
We never had enough data to back the ‘safe and effective’ claim. Anyone who says otherwise is either corrupt or a useful idiot.
Over 2000 children under 18 have died from Covid, and around half were healthy.
What do you have against "unhealthy" children anyway? Why is it OK for them to die?
"The data at no point during the pandemic bore out significant risk to healthy children. "
Nice assertion, now provide the risk benefit analysis.
That’s completely ridiculous and MD’s like you who are towing this line have led to the biggest loss of confidence of modern medicine... And rightfully so.
The vax should never have been approved for anyone under 65yrs old without significant co-morbidities, especially children.
The ‘follow the science’ crowd that cherry picked data, manipulated studies, and carried water for pharma to protect their grant money completely failed to adapt to the actual data as it evolved, doubling down on incorrect policies and assumptions... in the face of real data supporting risk-stratification, the negative efficacy of boosters, incorrect matching of vax strains with actual circulating variants, clotting and other cardiovascular side effects, turbo cancers, etc.
The rise in all-cause mortality in the post-vax era is undeniable. Yet the propaganda machine suppresses any conversation as to the cause of this multi-standard deviation dislocation from historical norms, and the medical community mysteriously lacks of any curiosity or initiative to understand this black swan event... because of their fear of departing from the pharma-approved narrative.
It’s a disgusting ongoing crime against humanity being propagated by either greed or a narcissistic inability to admit being wrong.
The medical community needs to start apologizing for their corruption and failure to uphold their Hippocratic Oath...while violating the Nuremberg Code. Their collective inability to do so is a disgrace.
Less than 5% of US preschool cohort hospitalized for COVID were fully vaccinated, study finds
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/less-5-us-preschool-cohort-hospitalized-covid-were-fully-vaccinated-study-finds
It is ridiculous.
Anti-vaccs prey upon folks that have lots of inflammatory comments....
But can't do the basic math to understand how the anti-vaccs lie about all-cause mortality....or negative efficacy of boosters or side-effects etc, etc.
The same people that won't listen to qualified statisticians.
BTW: you should really try reading the Nuremberg code or the oaths that Drs. actually take.
"The rise in all-cause mortality in the post-vax era is undeniable."
It's not only deniable, it is patently false.
All cause mortality as depicted by excess deaths above that expected has declined since vaccination. It was directly linked to Covid mortality, and spiked at the same times there were Covid spikes, and additional deaths were due to a combination of deaths post Covid from longer term complications and also the increase in deaths caused by a reduction in medical capacity for urgent and non-urgent medical problems during the Covid spikes.
Here is the US excess death data (note how it has fallen back to baseline, and how spikes corresponded exactly with Covid surges.
https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/coronavirus-data-explorer?country=~USA&Metric=Excess+mortality+%28estimates%29&Interval=7-day+rolling+average&Relative+to+Population=true&Color+by+test+positivity=false
If the fully licensed vaccine (Pfizer's Comienaty) is exactly the same as Pfizer's EUA vaccine, why is Comirnaty not available in the US? One reason is that the vaccine injuries attributable to an EUA vaccine are covered under a different vaccine injury compensation system, one that has been woefully ineffective in identifying and compensating victims. I will be extremely reluctant to take a non FDA licensed, EUA vaccine in the future. As Dr. Offit points out, the EUA COVID vaccines were not tested for longer term safety issues.
Comirnaty received full FDA approval in the US on 23 August 2021.
I know that. But, from what I have read, Comirnaty is not available in the US, only the EUA vaccine is used. If you have updated information please share.
Just Google it. You can find out whether the local CVS has it.
Pfizer even has a page where you put your ZIP Code in and it will throw out a list of local pharmacies and you can go to their page and make an appointment. Literally every CVS near me has it, and has had it since at least the spring.
That is what happens when you listen to anti-vaccs--they fill your head up with BS.
Comirnaty update for Albus:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/d315aa2645c2
It is just psychology.
You could go to your local pharmacy and see Comirnaty vials....but I think you won't because then you would have to admit that workflowy lies to its readers.
So why didn't you go to your pharmacy and see how workflowy lied?
Comirnaty is available in the United States.
Are you sure about that.
Course. Close vaccine hesitant friend of mine just got it a couple months ago. I heard from a couple other folks at work that they got it last spring.
Just did a check and it's available at all my local CVSs. You just make an appointment through the website, same as every other vaccine.
Maybe it's not countrywide? We are in Southern California.
You can go to your local pharmacy and ask if they have a vial you can read.
WynEdd ~ See this update from the CDC, current as of June 2022:
> https://www.dossier.today/p/ghost-shot-pfizer-quietly-admits
If you have any more current data that contradicts this, I'd love to see it.
Thanks in advance.
That's not an update. Sorry, that's just a rando dude repeating misinformation that doesn't pass basic fact-checking.
Fact is, three friends and coworkers have had Comirnaty and I could make an appt. for it tomorrow if I wanted.
Any data?
Sorry, WynnEdd, but your friends and coworkers are "random dudes", too.
Yes, but clearly, since they've had Comirnaty, and I and everyone else in Los Angeles could get it tomorrow if we chose to do so, it is definitely available in the US.
Did you even read the Pfizer documents selectively quoted in your link?
Ha! Ha! Ha! 🤦🏻♀️
Are you laughing at how stupid the anti-vacc lies are?
That was too fast. Where was the reproductive safety data? Where was the long term safety data? What about the pressures of natural selection that occur when a vaccine is administered during an active disease outbreak? Who thought it was a good idea to guess that the drug wouldn't be distributed from the injection site? Why do a handful of mice count as millions of children? There was no safety when there was no data and when there were so many unanswered questions. We have some answers now. Those answers point to danger, not safety.
There was plenty of short term human data on safety. Long term data accrues post licensing, when the vaccine has been in use for a more prolonged period, and this is what Phase 4 studies explore.
Your statement about phase 4 studies is mostly correct, they can occur pre- and/or post-market. The trials were unblinded early, leaving no placebo control group to effectively assess differences over time. However, I am addressing the narrow issue of a specific drug, not the broad process of drug approval. My statement is correct. There are no long term safety studies. That is important to me and some other people.
You do realize that no new product has long-term safety data?
Instead of listening to the anti-vaccs, why don't you try reading the actual studies and see the safety data for yourself?
Sorry Albus, but in the head space of an antivaxer, the words “long term data” usually mean decades, or sometimes even several generations.
If it were down to them, we might still be awaiting the long term data needed before approval of polio vaccines.
People got covid vaccines, they still got covid and sometimes more than once and some died. I am not playing Russian roulette with these covid vaccines. They are unsafe!
Fauci actually warned that more than 12 years might be needed to confirm the safety of a new vaccine:
> https://odysee.com/@GlobalResistance:9/1999-Fauci-on-the-AIDS-vaccine:1
Can you provide links to the original source material, please.
I don’t trust secondary antivax propaganda websites like yours to tell us anything remotely near the truth.
I do provide links to original source material whenever I can, Mike, as you'll see if you take a closer look at the resources I've been sharing. However. In this case, Fauci has done a great job of getting this video scrubbed from the Internet since it obviously does not support the current narrative.
All of your comments link to your own antivax site.
Please link to original or unbiased sources please.
PS: Fauci was talking about HIV vaccines, a completely different virus and different vaccine platform entirely.
Gosh, do you think the fact that he was discussing HIV might be significant?
Read those initial studies. Looks like a 4-1 all cause mortality of mRMA (4 deaths) to 1 in placebo. Not a great indicator of safety.
What Bill and I understand is that the shots do not work. It is a fact that you can still get Covid. The shots cause permanent injury and even death (but it could have been so much worse, smh!) People were bribed to take the shot with french fries and donuts. Then they were fired for refusing to get the shot. We were told “the science is settled.” I still haven’t found where that part is in the steps of the scientific method. Good news for you is, you won’t have any trouble finding your next booster because people have figured all of this out.
"What Bill and I understand is that the shots do not work"
I know that no one with 5th grade math skills could honestly believe that BS.
That is why you won't post any actual data
The only data that you would believe would come from the CDC, the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies who all have deep pockets that they’re trying to pad and protect. You immediately shoot down anything else when anybody knows that the data you look at is obviously biased and all lies. I really feel bad for people who are walking around having gotten the death shots knowing deep down they never know when they are gonna not wake up or collapse, and die suddenly from a heart attack or a stroke. So sorry that you are dealing with this.
"The only data that you would believe would come from the CDC, the FDA and the pharmaceutical companies"
Earlier today I proved you wrong by giving links to other sources.
Once again.....you prove unable to read correctly....much less count correctly.
What kind of efficacy data do you want, Albus?
> Lack of efficacy in preventing transmission and infection?
> Lack of efficacy in preventing severe symptoms?
> Lack of efficacy in preventing hospitalization and death?
> Lack of efficacy in preventing recurrent infections?
There's lot of data available, and I'll be glad to share more, if I know more about what you're looking for.
"There's lot of data available,"
We agree!
And it is very easy to see that the vaccine are effective at preventing transmission/infection/severe symptoms/hospitalizations/deaths/recurrent infections.
I understand that some folks are just innumerate.
But I don't understand folks that--even to protect the lives of their families--won't listen to qualified scientists.
And again...you didn't even bother to look at the facts and see the anti-vacc lies....did you?
I'd like to see a metanalysis or systematic review of the above effectiveness data for all modalities you mention.
Can you manage that?
Exactly! Got covid, treated with vitamins, antibiotic, steroids and ivermectin. I am 72 and have asthma. No hospitalization !
See how it works Bill?
You posted a really stupid anti-vacc lie....but instead of correcting the facts... you went to a different thread and posted different stupid anti-vacc lies.
Surprise Bill--the anti-vaccs lied to you....but again you just don't care.
OK, here is the Pfizer data:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
Vaccinated: n=21621, deaths=2
Placebo: n=21631, deaths=4
Thanks, makes it easy to see how very wrong the anti-vaccs are!
Actually, that's not the whole story, Albus. You have to look at the all cause mortality in Pfizer's clinical trial data.
Turns out there were *more* total deaths in the vaccine group than the placebo when you add in the deaths from heart attacks in the vaccinated group:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/acba90bfd0f4
Links to confirming studies are provided.
Again.....you choose not to read the actual numbers from the clinical trials and see the anti-vacc lies--right?
No, your website doesn't link to "confirming studies", just to other antivaccine propaganda sites?
Are you genuinely unable to provide a single link to original, independent evidence or reports?
You state on your website that those getting the vaccine had a "500% increase risk of dying from cardiac disease", but the data prove you wrong. Why do you lie?
"Actually, that's not the whole story, Albus. You have to look at the all cause mortality in Pfizer's clinical trial data."
Actually I exactly posted Pfizer's clinical trial data.
Please read the reports and see how dishonest workflowy is.
You don’t understand probability or statistics.
….next?
What other new product has been required/mandated to be administered in billions of doses as soon as it was released? I am concerned about a novel medication, not a me-too drug or a niche specialty product.
"What other new product has been required/mandated to be administered in billions of doses as soon as it was released?
You mean like almost all the other vaccines?
Not all the other vaccines. Many states allow exemptions. Very few exemptions were given for the COVID vaccines. Also, there are very few new vaccines. The first "new" RSV vaccine was quickly withdrawn from the market sometime around 1998 when it was offered to my oldest child. I declined that new vaccine. However, he had the older vaccines that had a historical record. Until COVID, vaccines have been live, attenuated viruses or dead virus. Never before has an antigen been delivered in a nanoparticle of mRNA for our cells to manufacture in unknown quantities for an unknown period of time in unknown sites of the body.
Covid has the same exceptions.
"Until COVID, vaccines have been live, attenuated viruses or dead virus. "
Simply not true. See DTaP, HIb, etc, etc.
You should stop getting your science from anti-vaccs...they are filling your head up with nonsense.
Exemptions for Covid vaccines are the same as for other vaccines, and one always had the option of just saying "No thanks" if you wanted.
What "older" rotavirus vaccine did your child receive out of interest? Rotashield was superceded by two newer vaccines 8 years later; there weren't "older" ones. Your memory is faulty.
Exemptions for COVID vaccines in the US military for just one example were not easily granted. Many other examples of denied exemptions and lost jobs as a result. Rotashield was new when my oldest child was receiving vaccines in 1998/1999. I said no to the new vaccine. It was only available for a short time before being removed from the market.
Correction: It was the rotavirus vaccine was withdrawn in 1999, not RSV.
Thank you for your information! I pray lots of people can read this article and your book to open their eyes. I did not get the vaccine . I was 70, now 73, got the omicron variant nd treated with high doses of Vitamin C, D, zpak, ivermectin, zinc and albuterol. Lasted 10 days at home. From beginning I always said would not take the vaccine until it had been rolled out for a couple of years to see the effects from the vaccines. I am thankful to God for my decision!
I got omicron after three shots, and the only symptom was sleeping through a day. My wife had a more recent booster and had no symptoms at all.
I think there’s a big difference between the vaccine being less than perfect and being ineffective. At this point I suspect everyone has been exposed and has some immunity.
I had the original covid, and was only sick for about 8 hours. Others around me had vaccinated before they got it, and were sick for 2 weeks.
Are you implying that your situation is representative of the whole population?
I wasn’t implying anything, but my experience was consistent with the official claim that vaccination provided good protection against all symptoms for about three months, and good protection against severe symptoms for much longer.
Yea I'm just using the same thing that everyone repeats to anyone unvaccinated if they didn't have any issues to prove a point:) thank you for helping.
People around me who got the shots stay sick all the time. Has anyone else noticed that? My family members barely get over one illness before they are coming down with something new. My boss has had covid 4x with the last bout being the worst. I don’t know if i ever have had covid as I never was tested. Since the plandemic roll-out, I have had a couple of seasonal allergy attacks, I occasionally have a backache (getting old is fun), and I recently had that cough that was going around that I got over with otc meds. My mother went to get tested when she had that same cough and was negative for everything and was told she wasn’t contagious (lol, everyone had it, but nah, not contagious).
I guess I could have had the non-symptomatic covid. lol! I crack myself up. But in all seriousness, I am blessed and thank God for my health! Oh, and I especially thank God for discernment!
"People around me who got the shots stay sick all the time. "
Strange that your experience is so very different from health insurance companies.....you know, who have data on 100s of millions of people!
Strange that you haven’t heard the actuaries are very worried!
Citations please?
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2022/02/24/life-f24.html
The article shows the alarming increases in all-cause mortality. Remember, actuaries are concerned with financial loss, not the loss of life. It is postulated that these deaths might be related to post-Covid infection complications, but they have no access to that specific data. They do not speculate that the precious miraculous perfect vax could do the same damage as the virus... but, you might be too smart to make the connection. If something looks bad, smells bad, and even tastes bad, you eat it anyways if you’re an Albus.
"People around me who got the shots stay sick all the time. Has anyone else noticed that?"
Nope. Only people I see getting frequently sick are either unvaccinated or didn't keep up with their boosters. Also those who travel a lot.
Are you?
a) Did you test positive,early on in 2020 home testing was not fully approved,so you must have tested at the hospital using PCR.The results would have taken 12-36 hours at least to confirm...but you were all better by then.Are you sure you had Covid or a bad case of brain-freeze from slurping down your Starbucks Ice Moccachino too quickly?
Not everyone who caught the coronavirus had symptoms. Depending on your phenotype ( age ,medical history etc) you may have been in the lowest risk category,or you simply spread the virus to more susceptible individuals.
Can you honestly state how long before others around you, who.were, according to you,sick with covid for two weeks...got their vaccination?.
Given that the body requires on average 21 days to mount an acquired immune response to the offending antigen..if these people were vaccinated in the 2 weeks prior to getting ill,they were unfortunately out of luck.
Can you give us honest answers to these questions?
a. yup still have the letter that was sent home with me:) telling me to chill at home and if I can't breath come back to the hospital. I was traveling when everything started, so figured it would be a good idea to go in. I also personally know one of the first people to die in my state and no amount of vaccination would've prevented his death.
Possible on the age/health bla bla bla, but my bigger point is you can't use personal antitodes on how effective something was.
b. 2 months prior to getting it. They got in early due to work stuff.
So you were not tested for coronavirus infection ,just sent home to "chill"
Surely when you speak of personsal anecdotes (not antidotes) you are referring to your own post ,not mine.Hopefully you understand and realize this.
Your answers seem to be waffling from your original post to your answer.Your credibility is zero when you rely on misinformed self-diagnosis and assumptions of the health status of others when trying to make a valid argument.You should also realize that vaccines are carefully titred for dose ,and as for any drug or antibiotic or prescription drug ,an over-consumption leads to high morbidity outcomes.
haha ok dude. I mean I have the paper work to prove it? I don't need you to validate. What happened to you when you tested positive?
No I was talking about yours. Sorry about the spelling error, I was typing to fast and didn't notice it.
I add context to mine and ask more questions. Sorry if I find something lacking in a response, so ask questions on it.
I mean doesn't anyone with a 10th grade biology and chemistry education know that fact?
I wouldn’t cite my experience as evidence. Just that it is consistent with official findings.
So now you know they are extremely safe and effective according to valid data (and ignoring fevered antivax propaganda), will you get them?
Absolutely not! The data out shows they are harmful. People getting serious adverse effects; young athletes dropping dead! These are not vaccines. I am not antivax just not this trial one.
"From beginning I always said would not take the vaccine until it had been rolled out for a couple of years to see the effects from the vaccines"
That is understandable.
It also assumes you don't die or get seriously injured while you wait.
As a senior, I was among the first to take the vaccine. Although I was older than 75, it was not available to me until mid-March. I had to wait a month between scheduling the appointment and getting the shot. My wife had to wait another two months. By the time delta hit, 60 or 70 percent of people had been vaccinated.
Despite all the fuss about vaccine opponents, there were long waiting lists for those of us who got the first three shots. I don’t think vaccine hesitancy played any roll until the following year. By the time of final approval, Delta was over, and everyone was getting omicron. Including me.
I don’t recall anyone using the term warp Speed. That was a Trump term and no one wanted to give Trump credit for the vaccine. Try and find any mainstream reporting that gave him credit for going against his political inclinations.
What I did hear was people claiming, rightly it not, that omicron was a weakened virus that served as a natural vaccine. I suspect it was less severe because most older and vulnerable people had been vaccinated.
Few people now recall what a big booster of vaccination Trump was. When the unfortunately named Operation Warp Speed was rolled out I thought, "Well at least he's getting *something* right. Also after he lost the election and the Pfizer was approved I heard him on the air going, "That was all me! Me! Me!!!" Then you must remember when he got booed for telling a crowd they should get vaccines, saying, "I got mine. I'm OK."
But he fell in line, following his followers.
Anti-vaxerism used to be a leftie thing. I used to go to this Unitarian church. Anti-vaxers out the wazoo. The anti-vaxers jump all over Dr. Offit and others for "not listening to [their] stories." Well sorry, science doesn't work like that. People go on about thousands dying after being vaccinated and if pressed they show me figures from VAERS. Well duh. If you push out vaccines and you are preferentially giving them to old people a lot of the recipients are going to die. That's one of the things we do, we old people. We die, vaccinated or not.
I guess I stepped in shit here and am about to be dumped on but here's my story: almost everyone I interact with on a regular basis is vaccinated. I know who the unvaccinated ones are. I never say anything. Nobody I am close to has died of COVID and I am grateful for that. One of my martial arts instructors damn near died before vaccines were available and that guy was one of the first on line.
The thing about VAERS is, every adverse incident that followed a vaccination is in there. Doesn't mean vaccination had anything to do with it. I participated in V-Safe so I was providing data for VAERS. During that time I got a form to fill out asking, as always, if I had been in hospital since the previous report. I'd crashed my bicycle and been taken to the hospital so I reported yes. They called me to ask about it.
The idea is to provide data to be examined for patterns. For example, if there had been a bump in the number of people crashing their bicycles three months out from vaccination that would be worth looking into. Otherwise it's the post hoc ergo propter hoc fallacy. If it was a loved one of yours I am sorry for you, but a fallacy is still a fallacy.
Just to put things straight, regarding how bad is omicron.
Omicron appears to have comparable intrinsic severity to the ancestral Wuhan strain, although in practice severity is substantially lower in Omicron cases due to people's vaccination and previous infection with former strains (thus building 'hybrid' immunity).
There are not many studies available on this matter because the vast majority of people were either vaccinated and/or infected when Omicron arrived. Nevertheless, a study in HKong compared the intrinsic severity of Omicron with that estimated for the ancestral strain using available data from unvaccinated patients without previous infections. The age-specific fatality risk in unvaccinated hospitalized Omicron cases was comparable to the estimates for unvaccinated cases with the ancestral strain.
You can find details here: https://academic.oup.com/jid/article-abstract/228/9/1231/7208626?redirectedFrom=fulltext
or here, if you do not have access to the final version of this study
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2023.02.13.23285848v1
You Will certainly see state run media giving ALL the credit to pres Trump when the chickens come home to roost. That will be very soon in time for maximum effect in 2024 election🙄
I’ve been saying this very same thing for the last two years. It will be used tactfully against him in the near future and the final nail to destroy him from returning to the presidency.
These Democratic Marxists currently in charge are cunning and know what they’re doing.
He should step away from anything “Warp Speed”explaining that he was coerced, and advised by the corrupt experts who knew very well these shots were neither safe nor effective.
Joe Biden and Bill Gates are capitalists.
And Trump is what…a socialist or communist?
Authoritarian.
EUAs originated in the post 9/11 era and were supposed to only be deployed for confirmed bioterrorist attacks. They are explicitly "unapproved countermeasures." Why did you support universal mandate of an unapproved countermeasure for a disease with a .1 percent Infection Fatality Rate in young people, Dr. Offit?
"The Emergency Use Authorization of Pharmaceuticals: History and Utility During the COVID-19 Pandemic" -
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8401346/
"EUAs originated in the post 9/11 era and were supposed to only be deployed for confirmed bioterrorist attacks. "
That is not true.
Please read YOUR link again.
"which permitted the emergency use of unapproved countermeasures against chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear (CBRN) agent(s), among other authorities, when there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives"
"Agents" include natural pathogens.
Here is the reference from YOUR link:
"During public health emergencies, medical countermeasures (MCMs) may be needed to prevent or treat diseases or conditions caused by chemical, biological, radiological, or nuclear (CBRN) or emerging infectious disease threats, like pandemic influenza."
https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/mcm-legal-regulatory-and-policy-framework/mcm-emergency-use-authorities
EUA are exactly intended for new infectious diease.....like covid!
The article was written in 2021. I'm talking about the ORIGINAL PRETEXT for establishing of EUA that dates from 2004, and documented in the article. Yes, there's been mission creep and Pharma exploitation since 2004, that is my entire point.
Wait....that was YOUR reference that said emerging infectious disease is covered by EUA.
So please show exactly where in the original law infectious disease were not covered.
The CDC, among other places, uses the term "biological agents" to refer SPECIFICALLY to bioterrorist weapons - https://emergency.cdc.gov/agent/agentlist-category.asp
The original law refers to "biological agents" only, not "emerging infectious diseases" -
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/PLAW-108publ276/pdf/PLAW-108publ276.pdf
Thanks, but right in the law (your second link) it clearly explains what are the eligible emergencies:
"... or a specified disease..."
So it is right in the original law...terrorist attacks and diseases.
"biological, chemical, radiological, or nuclear agent or agents, or a
specified disease or condition that may be attributable to
such agent or agents"
This again refers to a bioweapon. Do you believe Covid-19 was a bioweapon, Albus? Do you believe NIH and FDA believed it to be a bioweapon?
Dr. Offit,
I appreciate what you've written here and think it's a very helpful contribution to the public discourse on COVID, but in anticipation of the pushback that I believe this post will generate (especially in light of the responses to your recent "Vaccine Safety: MTG" posts), I'm wondering, are you going to respond to any of the substantial posts from those here who disparage your positions, or is it your policy to not do that here?
My concern, as someone who appreciates your posts, is that by *not* responding to (or, at least, providing an *explanation* as to why you will not be responding to) the more *substantial* criticisms of those who disparage your positions, you are creating significant space for doubt in the minds of those who generally are inclined to trust and rely on what you have to say. My view would be that if you're *never* going to reply to the more substantial criticisms of your positions here, it would be prudent to post a "sticky" policy statement to that effect.
Yes Dr Offit, we ALL would appreciate if you would reply to your critics with honest and independently researched information. But alas, neither you nor your allies will hold a moderated debate with the likes of Kennedy or Malone.
And please realize that less and less people believed anything that comes from Big Pharma and its captured agencies and researchers. You all are to blame for that loss of faith. Too many bad products and way too many dead and injured people.
A debate between Offit and Kennedy would look pretty good in Kennedy's CV, but would be an awfull stain in Offit's. You do not debate with people who are on a political mission orthogonal to facts.
Manuel, your assumption is that Dr Offit and his pro-vax Pro-Pharma side are the only ones with “facts”. If their “facts” hold any merit then they should debate them. Bring the receipts that the vaccines have been fully tested to insure safety and efficacy. If there were no significant injuries and long term negative effects of vaccines then they would have very little resistance.
The fact is that many people have been inured and killed by vaccines. Those of us opposed to big Pharma do so because we have directly seen the damage of their neglect.
We all should also be questioning the integrity and honesty of an industry that has fully captured our Government and news media. An industry who profits from the diseases they manipulate to create a larger market. If big Pharma was benevolent then our country would be the healthiest in the history of humanity. But rather it is sadly the opposite. We take the most medicine, spend many times more per capita on medical care and have the worst health in the world.
This is not some political position. This is an extremely serious societal movement. Spend some time talking with people whose children have been permanently damaged by vaccines before u accuse them of some “agenda”. And please hold Dr Offit to account.
Dear Bill,
The results of the phase 3 clinical trials of COVID vaccines (made in the west) are public. Vaccine efficacy against disease was estimated in the usual way. Long-term efficacy, of course, could only be estimated in the long run. No big surprises here for those who have been studying vaccines against respiratory infections for ages.
Regarding side effects, very severe ones, could only be recorded after millions had received the shot. In Portugal, we have 3 severe side effects per 10 000 doses given. Not one single death was unequivocally associated with vaccination, there was only temporal correlation, which was expected, given the amount of people who got the shots.
When you state that “many people have been injured and killed”, I must assume you are talking many thousands (about 20 thousand in PT) so that figures are comparable with lives saved by vaccines and thus worth your concern. As you know, it is very difficult someone dying without being noticed. So you must be aware of secret cemeteries, unknown to me, where these deaths keep being pilled and hidden. Another possibility is that pathologists and forensic doctors are being massively bribed to hide causes of death. Fascinating theories.
Believe it or not, I share your concerns regarding big pharma, but that is a long way from denying the live-saving role of the COVID vaccines in the emergency situation we have gone through. Of course they have profit in their minds, but isn’t the pursue of profit the modus faciendi of anything that moves in the US? Where is your national health service? Maybe you should look otherwise for explanations...
Every medication has side effects. Aspirin and vaccines included. And yet they are necessary when we look at the bigger picture. The difficulty for those who decide, is not single focus upon those who will be hit by side effects, but rather on the balance between benefits and risks. Vaccines have been among the medications where this balance is by far the most favourable, compared to almost any medication you have in your closet pharmacy.
1200 people were dead within the first 90 days:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/495349d9e29c
Even if "unequivocal" association could not be confirmed initially, no bigger red flag was needed than this to pause the rollout and investigate further.
Thank you,
This is really helpful.
Did you notice that the scam site workflwoy didn't include the link to the report?
Here it is: https://web.archive.org/web/20220125002422/https://phmpt.org/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/5.3.6-postmarketing-experience.pdf
"1200 people were dead within the first 90 days"
That is an obvious lie. The report is cumulative until the end of
Feb 2021---that is more than a year!
And the report is world-wide. It is just basic counting.
Given the number of doses administered of course there were 1,200+ people that died. That was inevitable just by chance!
It is not just that workflowy is dishonest....it is also just really, really stupid!
"The fact is that many people have been inured and killed by vaccines"
Here is an actual fact: you made a data free assertion.
Why don't you offer some actual data?
Ok, let’s assume u are correct. How many people were actually saved?
And please don’t use a big un-proven number…. We all know the death rate of those under 80 was insignificantly low.
Now let’s assume, we are correct, many many thousands of people died unnecessarily because of an inadequately tested “vaccine”.
The excess all-cause mortality in 2021, 2022, and 2023 are higher than the Covid deaths in 2020 and 2021.
It’s your karma to believe in an experimental gene therapy rather than accept the truth of the adaptation of the human immune system and the proven reduction in virulence of a novel virus.
Just accept that our logic and data are facts. And we can move on to fixing this terrible situation caused by dangerous gain-of-function gene manipulation and the capture of Big Pharma resulting in more chronic diseases.
Prove me wrong. Show me where big Pharma has saved lives (remember it’s the 3rd leading cause of death). Show me where the lockdowns and vaccines reduced suffering and death.
It’s not our role To prove that to you.
It’s your job to show with absolute proof that the vaccines saved lives and did not create more
Harm than good.
Ps. I missed u.
1. "Ok, let’s assume u are correct. "
It is not an assumption....you didn't and still haven't provided any data to support your assertion.
2. "It’s your karma to believe in an experimental gene therapy rather than accept the truth of the adaptation of the human immune system and the proven reduction in virulence of a novel virus."
a) Basic reading error: they are still exactly NOT gene therapies.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/cellular-gene-therapy-products/what-gene-therapy
And they exactly fit the definition of vaccine from the 1988 US law.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/definitions/uscode.php?width=840&height=800&iframe=true&def_id=26-USC-222761909-1963936815&term_occur=999&term_src=
b) basic thinking error--dead people's immune system don't adapt. And remind us how much has the virulence of e.g. rabies virus decreased? Right....it hasn't at all....it is still 100% fatal.
3. " to fixing this terrible situation caused by dangerous gain-of-function gene manipulation"
There is no gain of function research--that is why you didn't offer any actual evidence.....just another anti-vacc lie.
4. "Show me where big Pharma has saved lives (remember it’s the 3rd leading cause of death). "
No, the anti-vaccs just lie about Pharma being the 3rd leading cause of death....counting on folks to be too clueless to look up the facts.
5. Evidence they saved lives?
There isn't any.....unless you count:
Clinical trials
Life insurance companies
National health care systems
For profit health insurance companies....like United Healthcare:
"COVID-19 vaccines are a safe and effective way to protect your health. "
https://www.uhc.com/health-and-wellness/health-topics/covid-19/vaccine
The third leading cause of death is COVID-19. Big Pharma doesn't even make the top 10.
In 1662 by Jan Baptist van Helmont in reference to the practice of bloodletting wrote:
"Let us take out of the Hospitals, out of the Camps, or from elsewhere, 200, or 500 poor People, that have fevers or Pleuritis. Let us divide them in Halves, let us cast lots, that one half of them may fall to my share, and the others to yours; I will cure them without blood-letting and sensible evacuation; but you do, as ye know ... we shall see how many Funerals both of us shall have..."
Obviously, Helmont's heretical claim that Bloodletting was ineffective wasn't even worth debating.
This is your argument, 400 years later. That Dr Offit's claim that the vaccine saved **3 million lives in the US alone** is so beyond reproach (never mind the US had identical total deaths in 2020 and 2021) that to even question it would be affront to our faith.
Ridiculous.
This isn't debating Young Earth Creationists or Flat Earthers. This is calling out people making claims which are demonstrably false and getting to the bottom of how they could be so absolutely wrong and still attempt to take some high ground. Insane.
Strawman aside let's look at your statement.
"(never mind the US had identical total deaths in 2020 and 2021)"
The vaccine didn't really become available until December 2020. Around that time, the Delta variant was starting to rapidly spread, a more contagious and virulent form. As you can see, the vaccination rate was about 60% by the time
Omicron (even more transmittable) became the variant of concern. It was a study that showed the severity was about the same as the ancestral variant in the beginning of the pandemic. Vaccination and natural infections made it seem mild.
https://usafacts.org/visualizations/covid-vaccine-tracker-states/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35914518/
Meanwhile, the death rate among unvaccinated was significantly higher.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-compare-covid-deaths-for-vaccinated-and-unvaccinated-people/
Good article explaining the base rate fallacy, thank you.
Remember also Steve Kirsch founder of VSRF . He has been trying to get someone to debate him for 2+ years.He offered to pay their trip expenses yet so far heard nothing but crickets
Kirsch offers to pay them only “if they win”, but he gets to determine the victor!
Remember what happened after his 4 hour debate with Avi Bitterman (which those listening clearly felt Avi had won)? Kirsch refused to pay him.
Numerous people have offered to debate him and he ignores them or offers excuses. He's a sham.
To be clear, the meaning and intent of my post should *not* be construed as being intellectually sympathetic to your reply here. I have no intention of debating what you've said, but I don't want there to be any misinterpretation of my post as a result of your reply to it.
Yeah, we understand that you’re choking on Offit’s YKW.
As for any anti-vax (or anti-federal-government) folks who "like" my original post here, if you think I'm on your side of this debate, you've misunderstood my post.
See there is your problem. It isn't a us vs them. It is a stop censoring information and hiding behind 'expert opinions' and instead start telling the whole truth and using true unbiased data. I bet alot of the issues we are having would go away, if people would stop running everything as if they could just PR every problem away.
Re "us vs them," that's generally *not* the way that I see the world, but in the case of people who are not just cautious about vaccines but are dyed-in-the-wool anti-vaxxers or anti-government types, I tend ---at least, when I'm forced to be brief due to the constraints of time (e.g., posting in a thread) --- to see things in an "us-versus-them" way. I have little patience for superstitionists and ideologues.
I agree, though, with your position that public health authorities need to tell the "whole truth," though as a practical matter telling the "whole truth" when it comes to complex scientific matters on which even experts often don't agree is always going to be more of an ideal than a reality. But, yes, US public health authorities could and should have done much a better job communicating the facts about COVID-19.
Your last part is crap if I can say so. Just because something is complex, doesn't mean you can't tell people how it is. This thinking allows the expert fallacy to be used and not present the data.
Think about masks. If they had come out and said, hey we think masks might reduce the spread, because it'll stop droplits in the air, and here are the types that it would apply to alot more people would've been ok with it. Instead we got the mask because we told you to, and as they say the rest is history.
Every problem/thing we do is complex and yet people make choices everyday without mandates. You can't use that to hide the facts and figures around things and allow experts to dictate what to do.
If you want a non covid example, the food pyramid is a perfect example of where experts should have told the whole truth, and let others decide, vs trying to tell a slated view to make it understandable.
Either you and I have different ideas as to what the meaning of "whole" is in the context of a scientific discusssion of COVID-19 and its management , or your thinking regarding the nuances and dilemmas involved in managing a COVID pandemic is simplistic (or both). I'm done here.
Ha, no I think you're idea ends with an expert telling you, that you have to do something based on some research without telling you the actual mechanism of said something.
The problem that managing covid was done in simplistic terms and by mandates from 'experts' that then were applied by everyone. You couldn't disagree with those things, even if the mandates were insane and had been proven ineffective in previous pandemics.
How can we have different ideas on the whole? isn't it all the information and allowing the people to decide the best course of action for themselves?
Just counting my immediate associates in the last six months. Throat cancer, breast cancer, dropped dead, apsis in the brain. The first one is still alive, just.
Strange that your experience is so different from the health and life insurance companies/systems....
Was not confused nor frightened. I did seek out information from educated voices not biased by $ or narrative. The process and the product were the problem for me, not the words used to describe them.
Strange you couldn't provide any actual information about the process and the products.....
Non sequitur
Huh?
You posted:
"The process and the product were the problem for me, not the words used to describe them."
So what exactly were the problems?
Dr Offit - thank you for your insights on the handling of the pandemic and the COVID vaccine. Can you share why the ACIP decided to use the word "Emergency," and what were the alternatives discussed and ultimately not used, why?
Because its the law that they used to approve it? Amazingly enough, emergency allows a lot of laws to be ignored without impact.
What wording could they use instead?
Hearing about the upcoming book is a nice Christmas present!
Bottom line they made an attempt to poison the entire world, a lot of people didn’t fall for it, so they lied about the numbers to make people think it was safe ( monkey see monkey do ). People are dying left and right because of it. A lot of other people have permanent damage, and the quality of life has diminished dramatically. I’m no DR. So the means of action, route, and desired outcome of both the (Maybe virus), and the definite vaccine are beyond me, but common sense paints a pretty easy picture. Someone or some group when out of its way cause world wide panic, and Genocide. As it slowed down ,leaders decided war would be a great way to top of the tyranny. Operation dumb shit!!! Changed things forever.
Bottom line: the anti-vacc fraud preys upon folks that don't understand what the word "poison" means or how to do the math.
Good news: ignorance can be corrected.
I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic? I don’t know a lot of people who just run around believing everything they are told, or get there information from the first thing pops up on google without digging into any and all perspectives before making conclusions. What if someone sees your post on anti vaxxers and believes it, what if that destroys the quality of their life. Cause and effect is a real thing your words carry further then may think they do, and they can do a lot of damage to people who only research the first thing that pops up on google when searching for truth. Not getting vaxxed hurts know one The un un vaccinated are hurting know one they are just passing it back and fourth if it’s real. Also can you Honestly without guilt tell people that the vaccine is safe for them, like you are so sure that your willing to risk there lives on it? If so by all means go save the world, I’m sure a lot of people have you to thank for a lot of 100% true information. High five!!’
"Good news: ignorance can be corrected."
All you had to do was to look up the word poison...but you didn't.
And it is just basic math to see that not getting vaccinated hurts many people.
I honestly can’t believe this conversation is taking place. People really believe what you believe? Open your mouth, close your eyes, roll up your sleeve, don’t worry everything is going to be ok, we care about your wellbeing, we promise!!!!! The vaccine doesn’t enter the nucleus of the cell, Don’t worry it’s just misinformation, see you feel all better now!!!! And we made that in 2 months, imagine the possibilities!!!!! Sorry I couldn’t help myself it’s the conspiracy theorist in me!!!
"I honestly can’t believe this conversation is taking place"
I agree....we have long since past the point where there is any honest/rational way for the anti-vaccs to defend themselves.
I am no dr., I did however spend a year learning pharmacology, nuclear pharmacology, human anatomy, drug classifications, scheduling , oh and not only how to administer vaccinations but a lot about what goes into there creation etc. to become a tech which I accomplished. I never received less than an A on a test, i took it very seriously. I was certified, licensed, and finished my internship in a satellite pharmacy in a Chicago hospital. I planned to go to Northwestern to become a pharmacist, I would have done it with my eyes closed, had the business side of pharmacy not left me in complete disgust. I can promise you that a pharmacist knows more about drug ingredients, the route drugs take through the human body, Timing, how they are absorbed, and excreted than any Dr. so although I’m not a Dr. I have my reasons, and I can say with 100% certainty that my reasons are valid. As the world we live continuously costs us more , and more to live in, and the lengths we will go to to ensure our happiness, and the happiness of our families, I personally can not take for granted that I am being told what is best for my family, they mean way to much to me. Ultimately where does all your information come from? Text book, internet, word of mouth, and that’s pretty much it outside of personal experience. What are the chances that the information you soak up may not have your best interest in mind, considering the nature of people? People that are struggling more and more to take care of there families? Sometimes it’s best to question at least for me, I want my children to be healthy. Maybe dig a little deeper, stop labeling people, care enough to double check! or just continue to assume that anti vaxxers are doing you injustice. Let the fact checkers tell you what’s best for you if you want, I can’t do that. God bless
Here is some good advice: if you want to understand science, ask qualified scientists--not doctors or pharmacists.
For the record I’m not angry at people that push the vaccine, I’m worried about them, I’m worried about there judgement, I’m worried about their safety. I don’t want bad thing to happen to people, I don’t want people to be sick, and sure don’t want people’s lives waisted by liars or narcissists, but what are the odds given the love of money, and the selfish nature of people who can dish it but not take it, that the vaccine is something much different then advertised? I can make that even simpler, what are the odds that people lie? What are the odds that marketers lie? What are the odds that evil exists in the world? Considering the odds I think that it’s perfectly normal for people to be skeptical of of not only Covid, but also the vaccine considering the way it started, the lack of information, the people pushing the narrative, and the pressure. So I would say that people wanting to be safe through something so twisted up with no real answers that landed in such a dishonest way. Not to mention the death clock on every channel, how incredibly disturbing was that? That by itself is enough? I suppose if people who think that vaccines can be trusted without actually knowing anything about them care as much about the unvaccinated as we care about them then that is the common ground we should build off of. We both worry about the safety of each other right? One of us is not concerned and the other bitter so we are equals am I correct?
If you don't want people to be sick, then you should support vaccination. There is a wealth of evidence attesting to the effectiveness of Covid shots reducing deaths and serious illness, as well as post Covid conditions like Long Covid.
You are right, you are no doctor, just a foolish conspiracist.
The article describes all the corners that were cut, and then claims the fear was from the term warp speed, and not from all the corners that have been cut… There is a reason why it takes such a long time to actually accomplish The testing in creation of a safe and effective vaccine, which this was not as has been proven numerous ways. Perhaps COMINARTY is the same, but I wouldn’t trust that just because they say it is? It’s not like Pharma companies. Haven’t lied to us before an FDA approved medication‘s have been turned out to be dangerous and destroy.
That being said, the idea that warp speed caused, a fear is ridiculous, I would say the actual fax it to Accelerated thing caused a pause, and then its performance caused more questions, and then vaccine injuries caused more questions and doubts, never mind all the money that was thrown into peoples pockets
Polio vaccine was tested and rolled out within 12 months. They didn't wait 10 years to check for implausible "long term side effects", thank heavens.
....Just sayin'
Could please detail 1 or 2 relevant corners that were cut?
Thanks
There is a reason that drug trials and approvals take a long time.... so you can see if there are unintended side effects that manifest over longer timeframes. Kind of important.
That and the fact that the vax they tested and the vax that they distributed were different. That’s kinda another big deal.
Your crazy desire to defer all critical thinking to corruptible ‘experts’ and profit-maximizing corporations is mind boggling. Why do you want to be subserviently governed so badly?
There is a reason you didn't detail any corners that were cut! All you have to do is to list-out the drug trial approval process to see there isn't any problem here.
"That and the fact that the vax they tested and the vax that they distributed were different."
BTW: that would be illegal....no anti-vacc will sue and make that claim in Court because it is a lie and they would go to prison for perjury,
I know this is not the point of the article, but what amazes me is that you are so steadfast in the fact that this "warped speed" vaccine timeline is still so OK. We need to admit that fast tracking a vaccine was not without major flaws and lack of understanding in true safety and efficacy.
OK,
Exactly what data was lacking that we normally would have had?
Please analyze the Pfizer research data they tried to hide for 75 years.
Here’s a quick analysis to read.
https://dailyclout.io/pfizers-post-marketing-surveillance-reveals-pfizer-manipulated-data/
See how it works Bill?
You posted some really stupid anti-vacc lies.
Instead of correcting the facts....you moved on to a different thread and posted different stupid anti-vacc lies.
Oh look....the anti-vaccs lied to you...but you don't care.
"Please analyze the Pfizer research data they tried to hide for 75 years."
Nope.
That document is part of the BLA (Biologic License Application)--standard information shared with governments all around the world. Not hidden.
And your link is garbage.
One simple example: "Why, for instance, did the Hematological SOC have a threshold of 15 adverse events occurring before a diagnosis was named"
Where exactly is that in the report?
Nope, Pfizer didn't try to hide it. They turned it over to the government as they are required to do. However, with the limited resources and money available to government agencies, it was going to take 75 years to redact all the personal information, as required by law, from the data. The data can't be released until personal information is redacted.
In truth, Pfizer is doing quite the opposite: they are actually paying for their own law firm to assist with the redactions in order to speed things up. A large law firm has software and the personnel to do this far more speedily than a government agency. (They do this sort of thing for huge document production requests all the time.) Pfizer's donation of the legal costs for this document production is the opposite of what you portray, it is an act of public good.
And, further nope, there's nothing special or unusual surfacing in that data so far.
The key point here, WynEdd, is that Pfizer only "agreed" to release the data earlier than 75 years on the basis of a federal court order, which would never have been required if Pfizer had actually been redacting and releasing the data for the "public good":
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/e5f0e7746786
"The key point here, WynEdd, is that Pfizer only "agreed" to release the data earlier than 75 years on the basis of a federal court order,"
Not true.
The Pfizer data was released and posted on-line.
This is a bogus anti-vacc lawsuit that is wasting countless millions of taxpayer money....and helping anti-vaccs to monetize their BS.
Tell the truth: you have never actually read the lawsuit and don't know what is actually being released--right?
Wrong. Read the order.
The court order is to the FDA demanding release, not Pfizer. Pfizer turned over it's testing data to the FDA as required. FDA was ordered to release Pfizer's testing data via a FOIA request. FDA was resisting the release, due to cost of redactions, not Pfizer.
After the FDA lost, Pfizer offered their legal team to help with redactions and reduce the time needed to comply with the request.
Clearly Big Pharma and the FDA have been complicit bedfellows in this whole "vaccine" debacle right from the very beginning. One need look no further than the enormous user fees pharma pays to the FDA:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/bad23daed766
. . . or the revolving door and conflicts of interest between Big Pharma and the federal government's regulatory agencies:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/673484141195
Your clarification about the FDA being the named party in this court order is no vindication for Pfizer or for the FDA. In fact, it only further reflects on the dereliction of duty on the part of the FDA in attempting to hide the clinical trial data from the general public in the first place.
Moreover, it is well worth considering this alternative perspective on Pfizer's "generous" offer to step in and "help out":
> https://aaronsiri.substack.com/p/fda-asks-the-court-to-delay-first
The bottom line is that Pfizer clearly had a vested interest in the outcome of this court case ~ and Pfizer's role in this court-ordered data release is just one more example of the type of chicanery we've seen throughout this whole sordid saga.
Take, for example, Pfizer's request to dismiss a whistleblower lawsuit, not because Pfizer did *not* commit fraud, but because the government was already *aware* of the fraud:
> https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/pfizer-whistleblower-lawsuit-fraud/
And, as you might imagine, this is only the tip of the Pfizer's ginormous fraud iceberg. Consider, for example, Pfizer's April SEC filing in 2022 where Pfizer actually declared "we may not be able . . . to prevent fraud."
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/e52763c18611
Beyond this, if we consider Pfizer's scandalous criminal record, it is very easy to see that Pfizer's first and only loyalty is to their shareholders and the bottom line ~ *not* to transparency, "safety and efficacy" or the "public good":
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/c113a26f80ac
Then, of course, there are all the FDA scandals to consider:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/4eb6338686f1
. . . not to mention the covert role of DOD in managing and facilitating this humanitarian catastrophe:
> https://workflowy.com/s/beyond-covid-19/SoQPdY75WJteLUYx#/d29bfcb84144
You are pimping your own antivax website again, I see.
Well let's just quote the article itself...
"Proof-of-concept studies in mice and monkeys were done over a period of weeks, instead of years. Phase 1 and phase 2 studies to determine the right dose and the right number of doses were combined and involved as few as 20-50 participants—instead of the usual hundreds: again, taking months instead of years. Companies then went directly to placebo-controlled phase 3 trials involving tens of thousands of participants while at the same time mass producing the vaccine, assuming their studies would prove that the vaccines worked and were safe; and if not, millions of doses would be thrown away at no financial risk to the companies. In late 2020, when more than 3,000 Americans were dying from COVID every day, phase 3 studies were completed in three months instead of several years."
Hmm - you think the companies and the government really would have thrown away all those vaccines and not recouped their money????
This all resulted in a 95% efficacy - hmm how many of those who are vaccinated got COVID - way more than 5%! And let's look at safety - myocarditis, cancer, autoimmune disorders...
The processes were accelerated but no corners were cut. The usual delays in vaccine development and production were overcome. The data were sound, and vaccine was authorised for use only when results of Phase 3 studies on around 70,000 subjects were performed.
Who do you work for - Pharma or the Government?! The fact that you actually believe that no corners were cut is amazing. The phase 3 studies aren't finished until this year - there is no long term data on the vaccines when they were rolled out - either for safety or efficacy that would normally come from correctly administered trials. And the phase 3 studies were compromised because the placebo group was allowed to get the vaccine.
Huh? The Pfizer phase 3 was published in Dec2020.
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
The trials were correctly designed, executed and administer. And clearly, the phase 3 had to be unblinded....there was no other option.
Maybe you should try learning how clinical trials work....
Hmm - Maybe start with the first sentence of that paper - "In an ongoing multinational, placebo-controlled, observer-blinded, pivotal efficacy trial" ONGOING AKA not completed!
And clearly it did not need to be unblinded - that is not how randomized clinical trials work! Show me another vaccine trial that allowed the participants in the placebo group to get the vaccine before the end of the study...
You didnt' answer my question...Do you work for Pharma or maybe the Government or some other entity being paid by vaccine profits?
So nothing was lacking.
They simply took extra financial risks by doing steps in parallel instead of sequentially.
Oh....and you should really think about the efficacy data a bit more....