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Jim Sowder's avatar

When the vaccines came out, I was first in line, being 77 years old. My experience was good. I got the vaccine just before the delta variant became widespread.

But here’s the thing that will haunt public health for years. I read, over and over, in many places, that the goal was herd immunity. And extinction of the virus. That was the justification for vaccination mandates. Now we find out that that goal was impossible, and epidemiologists knew this all along. Or should have.

This is going to cause problems if mandates are ever again attempted.

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any comments about the cleveland clinic study? more covid jabs more covid infections...

https://academic.oup.com/ofid/advance-article/doi/10.1093/ofid/ofad209/7131292?login=false

complete manuscript: available at the link above...article is now 'peer reviewed'

ALL quotes below from the discussion section:

"The strengths of our study include its large sample size, and its conduct in a healthcare system

where a very early recognition of the critical importance of maintaining an effective workforce

during the pandemic led to devotion of resources to have an accurate accounting of who had

COVID-19, when COVID-19 was diagnosed, who received a COVID-19 vaccine, and when. The

study methodology, treating bivalent vaccination as a time-dependent covariate, allowed for

determining vaccine effectiveness in real time."

"our study was done in a healthcare population, and included no children and few elderly subjects, and the majority of study subjects would not have been immunocompromised."

"The association of increased risk of COVID-19 with higher numbers of prior vaccine doses was

unexpected. A simplistic explanation might be that those who received more doses were more

likely to be individuals at higher risk of COVID-19. A small proportion of individuals may have

fit this description. However, the majority of subjects in this study were generally young

individuals and all were eligible to have received at least 3 doses of vaccine by the study start date,

and which they had every opportunity to do. Therefore, those who received fewer than 3 doses

(46% of individuals in the study) were not those ineligible to receive the vaccine, but those who

chose not to follow the CDC’s recommendations on remaining updated with COVID-19

vaccination, and one could reasonably expect these individuals to have been more likely to have

exhibited higher risk-taking behavior. Despite this, their risk of acquiring COVID-19 was lower

than those who received a larger number of prior vaccine doses. This is not the only study to find

a possible association with more prior vaccine doses and higher risk of COVID-19."

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