RFK Jr. plans to attend the funeral. He should apologize to the parents for his actions during a measles epidemic that likely involves thousands of children.
Unfortunately someone who isn't an MD can still be the head of the DHHS. That person can direct health policy, without actually "practicing" medicine. But I'm sure Kennedy thinks he knows more that 99% of doctors.
Errr, no. He might know some stuff on some aspects of environmental toxicities, but knows sweet FA about everything else, and that includes vaccines and autism.
He knows more than you guys do, just without your financial incentives.
What do you know about the child who died Saturday? Not perfectly healthy previously as they said: chronic mono and tonsillitis. Recovered from measles, but got sepsis. At hospital the parents asked for the widely recommended budesonide treatment (which I would as well), but the hospital REFUSED!?! It gave her steroids, further depressing her already depressed immune system and she died. Between this and the Mennonite girl’s not being given the obviously correct antibiotic for mycoplasma pneumonia for eleven hours after identification, it LOOKS as though hospitals were deliberately giving fatal treatments to punish patients for not getting the MMR. Or maybe to use them as advertising.
Malone is the purveyor of this info. Has he got the case notes? will he make them public, or just twist the facts and lie as he has done before? We both know the answer…he won’t reveal what they really say.
According to the hospital, the child had no pre-existing health issues.
According to Malone’s confused story, the child may have had previous infectious mononucleosis (EBV) and recurrent tonsillitis, yet elsewhere he says this developed AFTER the child got measles. Strange.
If the child had tonsillitis and pharyngeal ulceration, then inhaled budesonide would be contraindicated, as it would deposit steroids locally in an area of inflammation and sepsis, causing worsening disease.
If the child was in severe sepsis/septic shock, then systemic steroids are often given to support the metabolic requirements and to compensate for endogenous steroid depletion. Nothing wrong with that. It can improve outcomes of sepsis and reduce mortality.
Thank goodness the hospital DIDN’T give inhaled budesonide - to do that would have been negligent and no doubt if they had the family could well have a claim for negligent death as it would have worsened the risks of sepric tonsillitis and septicaemia/”septic shock”.
Inhaled steroids WORSEN local inflammation in the pharynx. Budesonide increases the risk of pharyngitis five-fold.
They would be dangerous to give to someone with tonsillitis…they not only cause more inflammation but trigger fungal and bacterial colonisation and sepsis, leading to higher risk of septic complications and septicaemia.
He does indeed know more than most- having worked around physicians for decades as an internal medicine NP, I can assure you, Kennedy knows more about certain health topics than many physicians. The latest unreasonable doctor comment I have heard was from a patient suffering post Covid vaccine heart related symptomology, two days after her “booster.” She told him, “Doc, this chest pain began within a couple days of my shot” and he replied, “Not in my world it didn’t!!”and sent her on her way to cardiology nonetheless, thank goodness. This sort of behavior is unconscionable and the main reason why people do not trust their physicians or our healthcare agencies in general, any longer. And they shouldn’t trust them. Kennedy will do a fine job and is a much-needed breath of clean, fresh air. The agencies are corrupt and filled with paid shills, the journals are corrupt and retract any article less than glowing regarding the Covid “vaccines” and the whole system needs an overhaul. He is THE man to do it. We should all get behind him. And act like WE don’t know everything. Unfortunately, the attitude that doctors know all is rampant, but only in their own minds. The public knows better.
He’s a joke, not some medical authority. I remember when he claimed MMR and the Rotavirus vaccines contained mercury… he couldn’t even get those simple facts correct despite claiming vaccine expertise!
I’m gonna make an educated guess here and say more kids/people are going to unfortunately die which will ultimately lead to Trump firing RFK jr. I’m gonna say this will happen by the end of 2026 or sooner. A record number of people will die from the flu and measles. That might be the time Trump steps in. Thoughts?
"Ahh...another know-it-all. OK!" No, I was good at my job. A tenured professor with patents, many publications. And I know that YOU are terrible at YOUR job because you deny empirical science. Resign!!
Your first link is a study showing the importance of healthcare workers to get vaccinated.
The second link is a video of 4 guys (unnamed) chitchatting. Who are these guys? What are their backgrounds? Please tell me you’re not that gullible to blatantly believe what random people say in a YouTube video.
It makes sense you’re a vaccine skeptic because you don’t seem to understand the value of a credible source.
This is laughable. RFK jr doesn’t even believe in the germ theory which was discovered 150 years ago. He thinks HIV is caused by recreational drugs like poppers lol. How on earth could he know more about science than doctors? He’s like the ultimate flat-earther to the medical world.
In his 2021 book, The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. discusses various aspects of the HIV/AIDS crisis, “Duesberg and many who have followed him offered evidence that heavy recreational drug use in gay men and drug addicts was the real cause of immune deficiency among the first generation of AIDS sufferers.” Page 280s I believe.
HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on CBS this Morning, April 9, 2025:
"Are you encouraging people to get the measles vaccine?"
"Okay, so that... I mean, I think that’s actually the next step. And that’s news as far as I’m concerned that you’re saying that. Because, you know, there’s the issue of the federal government. We talked about this earlier when it came... when we were talking about food, that what’s the position philosophically of the federal government in terms of public health? The federal government’s position... my position is people should get the measles vaccine. But if the government should not be mandating..."
Is the .0005 - .1 mg of formaldehyde in vaccines worse than the 1.1 mg that a babies body produces through natural processes? Formaldehyde in vaccines is chemically identical to formaldehyde that a human body produces.
What mercury is being stuck in babies arms? And god does know what else is in the vaccines since the ingredients are listed. As long as you can read, you and your god can know what is in them.
I would say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but in your case I think absurd claims require just some evidence. What evidence to you have that AIDS is caused by poppers? What evidence do you have that disputes the existence of viruses? Are you saying all doctors are part of a cabal who are intentionally poising patients?
Oh, so you have been making arguments this whole time. What exactly are your arguments? I am not talking about nonsense claims. What are your logical arguments? What are your premises? (viruses don't exist, AIDS is caused by poppers, flat earth etc.), What is the evidence for any of these topics you keep bringing up? Using your evidence, can you draw a clear connection to your conclusions? Feel free to continue to inserting your childish insults into your comments. Just provide a semblance of coherent thought.
Considering America's high mortality rate pre AND post COVID, every Secretary of DHS deserves to be jailed. RFK is the only one who is not a Big Pharma shill.
Honestly I thought you were dead. Perhaps it would have helped save those children in Texas if you were. I will write that on your tombstone when you eventually relieve the world of your odious presence.
the problem is is that you read the NYT- why don’t you read the articles on the Children’s Health Defense website and the interviews with the doctors that were actually given access to the first girls medical records. Incredible interview with the parents of the girl and of the doctor that has been treating that community since the outbreak.
No I do not get my science info from the NYT, or from the CHD, which is totally biased. I get mine from science journals and reports, which are are peer reviewed and screened for poor methods and bias. You clearly do not. And an anecdotal interview with the parents of ONE patient is NOT a reason to make a broad medical decision for all people!! THAT is why medical science eschews anecdotal claims and, instead, relies on controlled trial of many people. Stop spreading your nonsense!
Julie you’ve handcuffed your entire identity to a psychopath and now you’re an emotional addict to whatever nonsense anyone puts out, that taps your FEELINGS and keeps you from admitting that you’ve become a fool’s tool.
No longer able to think for yourself, your curiosity has vanished, and now you must ingest daily or even hourly, anything that confirms your feelings… to keep you from crashing every time REALITY doesn’t line up with what you’re being pushed.
As you age this will become harder.
As Trump becomes more and more unstable, so will you!
You are literally doing to your brain what an addiction to substance does long term.
Have you read any of the articles on the Children’s Health Defense Website? These amazing doctors were given access to the child’s’ records - they did not die of measles
If the virus continues to spread at this pace, the country risks losing its measles elimination status, a hard-fought victory earned in 2000. Public health officials in West Texas said that the outbreak is likely to persist for a year.
Fine don’t get one and you have that right! I have the right not to be infected so please wear a damn mask! I don’t want your disease or germs. As an RN I protect my patients and I take care of babies and children and that includes infection control. Not everyone has perfect immune systems
The viruses aren’t floating around naked in the air. They are enclosed in droplets, which are larger than the holes of a decent quality mask. Masks also prevent “projectile” exhalation, in the same way that a hedge acts as a wind break.
There will be leakage around the sides of the masks however.
Experiment:
Put on a mask and try and blow out a candle. Why can’t you do it if oxygen and nitrogen molecules are smaller than the holes in the mask?
Thought experiment:
Why do mosquito nets reduce the risk of spreading yellow fever? Are the viruses too large to pass through a net?
Bye Chris I can’t fix stupid but disease will! Have a nice day! I’ll probably see you in the ICU I’ll do my best to save your life! Bye now have a great day- no further discussion
What do you know about this child that makes you so expert? I am RN work with leading scientists globally and work in pharmaceutical and devices I won’t lie to you
Explain to me the difference between a drug with 50 years of use with known behavior and compared to a brand new drug. You’re the one on kool aid buddy! I’d tell you you can pretty much trust a product with 50 years of use it has an established profile. People haven’t seen these diseases but know we are because of fear! Because media has sold you a bill of goods! And they want to kill you
The child’s death, at a hospital in Lubbock, Texas, early Thursday morning, is the second confirmed fatality from measles in a decade in the United States.
The child died of “measles pulmonary failure,” according to records obtained by The New York Times.
I appreciate your effort to enter a profession that is considered noble from various perspectives. However despite your experience and letters after your name you truly have lost any credibility by your statement on masks. Most sentient folks now realize that in a profit driven health industry…patients are recurring revenue streams and it seems your presence in such a top down autocratic architecture has captured some of your ability to reason. We will avoid any ethics comments as the author of this piece is entirely a byproduct of the new adage” follow the money to find the science”
I can understand that antivaxxers need to try to absolve their guilt by coming up with all sorts of bullshit but you have to know no one is buying your excuses. Those children died because they were unvaccinated and got infected with the measles virus. And YOU are one of the lying arseholes who killed them. Period.
Imagine if you would what the antivaxers would be blaming the death on if either of these children had had MMR vaccine rather than having measles.
Do you think they'd be claiming..."Nah, absolutely no way was this the vaccine...it was medical negligence!" ...Fat chance.
After all, RFK has clear personal form on this one...recall how he blamed MMR for the deaths of 2 kids in Samoa when those deaths *actually WERE* due to medical negligence?
The fact these kids were hospitalized tells me they were very sick. Why do you minimize disease? Why do you want to harm innocent children? And more will die due to stupidity.
Well the antibiotics given were appropriate, so no error there. I suppose it’s possible that she died when someone unplugged her ventilator when they wanted to brew some coffee.
Well I guess if you are stupid enough to believe that fully half of all deaths in hospitals come from medical errors and not disease then you’d pretend these kids both died from medical errors, but even then by the law of averages only one of them died from that. What about the other one?
They could have eradicated other dangerous quack treatments that used to cause a lot of deaths at least in so far as those attached to the label measles. Course kids might still be getting dodgy treatments and dieing from them without any fuss because the deaths are given some other label.
"It was a day of frequent and heroic dosage and equally frequent and heroic bleeding. In the South, during the summer, there was a cry of fever, fever, fever, and calomel was used (a mercury chloride mineral with formula Hg2Cl2, mercury(I) chloride. By the 19th century, calomel was viewed as a miracle drug. It was used against almost every disease, including syphilis, bronchitis, cholera, ingrown toenails, teething, gout, tuberculosis, influenza, and cancer) along with quinine (medication used to treat malaria and babesiosis). These were administered lavishly, thus adding to the horror."
First, I never made any appeals to authority, and I HAVE looked at the scientific evidence. Since I actually do cry at the sight of a child's coffin, that was a statement of fact. As for appealing to "a motion," I see you not only skipped out of Science class, but also English.
I'm glad you replied to yourself. At least you have somebody to talk to. I guess Bill Gates and his magnets are why we die from, um, what is it again? I mean, no such thing as pathogenic viruses or bacteria. I'm so happy to hear that! If you get bit by a rabid dog, be sure NOT to take the rabies vaccine.
Well, that's wonderful news. I can't understand why so few people in the world believe that. I guess they just don't understand your genius. For your sake, I hope none of the rabbits living with you in that rabbit hole have rabies.
Pharma-shill, like your boy, RFK Jr? He just stated, “The most effective way to prevent the spread of measles is the MMR vaccine.” Maybe the sight of a child in his coffin finally got to him.
First, none of your sources are credible except PubMed, but that source wasn't relevant, since the article said that children who are DEFICIENT in vitamin A, (and also D and E) are more susceptible to respiratory infections, which Dr. Offit has already discussed. But this child was reported as being in otherwise "good health," so presumably she was not deficient in any vitamins, and providing vitamins to kids who have measles but are not deficient does nothing, and some kids are being given too much and are getting sick from excessive vitamin A, which is toxic when overdosed. Having said that, if the hospital did give her the wrong antibiotics, then they were negligent and that is very easy to prove. At this point, the medical records have not been released to the public, so it has not been proven. The parents have the records and no doubt will sue if, in fact, the standard of care was not followed, so whatever the truth is, it will come out, so I will wait and see on that one. I'm surprised the parents even let her be given antibiotics, since many anti-vaxxers (including commenters here) don't even believe pathogens exist, in which case, antibiotics are pointless. The paranoid anti-vaxxers are already suggesting they killed her on purpose to support their narrative, and that just shows me how wacko those folks are. The bottom line is that she caught the disease that killed her (measles kills via pneumonia) because she was unvaccinated. But keep on believing vaccines are evil. I don't care. But you may want to avoid rabid animals because if you get bit by one, then you will have to decide whether to cling to your "rabid" beliefs and die or come to your senses. Again, choose what you want; I don't care.
First, I'm no soy boy; I'm a woman of nearly 70 who lifts weight. Sorry to disappoint you. Second, your ancestors, like mine, had an average life expectancy about half or less than currently throughout our evolution on this planet, mostly due to death from those non-existent pathogens, even though they didn't eat highly processed food and got lots of exercise. Even RFK Jr is now promoting the MMR vaccine after his most recent trip to Texas. I don't plan to respond any more because you are too far down the rabbit hole and I have better things to do with my time.
NBC's headline was "Second measles death reported in Texas".
NYT's headline was "A Second Child Dies of Measles in Texas"
Headlines needs to read: "The US anti-vaccine movement spearheaded by Robert F Kennedy Jr has killed a second unvaccinated child with measles." Make these cold-hearted, grifting child killers own their carnage.
Amen! It's because of vaccination that we had eliminated the disease. People got complacent and now as always children suffer for poor parental decisions. I know the parents are suffering now but this could have been avoided. Maybe this will wake up some parents.
The measles vaccine was not given to one sole until the big measles outbreak was relatively zero so how could it be responsible for eliminating it? Easy to check-search for a graph of measles outbreaks & notice dates of the huge outbreak especially when it was mostly over-never entirely. Then search separately for the date that the measles vaccine was created & deployed. Then search if getting the measles is ever a side effect of getting the measles vaccine. Then u may wonder why do some people hide these facts making it seem so obvious that the vaccine is perfect & unquestionable. Of course you can just continue to trust your sources & never question things you are told (sold). I need to add—one has to search measles outbreaks in late 1800s & early 1900s. Graphs of outbreaks in the 1940s & 1950s were just ending but still significant when the vaccine was “licensed”. This explains: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9150958/
Having done so, I can only conclude that the vaccine knocked down measles infections with gusto. The research, graphs, statistics, and dates are perfectly clear and easy to cross-check.
Deployment of the vaccine in 1963 preceded the drop in measles cases from over 450,000 in that year (it had been over 400k every year since 1951, when baby boom kids flooded public schools) to less than 20,000 in 1968. There was no sudden change in nutrition or public sanitation in 1963, so it was the vaccine that ended the outbreak, if you can call 12 consecutive years an "outbreak." The improved 1968 vaccine and the 1989 second-dose recommendation precede complete elimination of measles in 2000.
"Measles as a side effect of the vaccine" has no citation in a scientific journal. (A mild rash ten to fourteen days after vaccination that quickly fades is not "measles." That's scare-mongering.)
Your statements are completely wrong. The statistics and graphs show the exact opposite of what you state. You are getting your information from sources who are lying to you.
A "sole" is the bottom of a foot. A "soul" is a reference to an everlasting spirit of a human. Look deeply into your own soul to understand why you want to believe lies instead of the truth. Your passions are misguided. Open your heart and mind to the truth.
In substack, look at Dr. Andrea Love March 24 of this year. She discusses the very chart you reference. In any case, there is so much accurate information out there written by scientists and doctors, asking me for a link is pretty silly.
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
Thanks! Other graphs don’t agree w that one but it fits reality with vaccines in general. I have not compared cases & vaccines. May be higher cases well into 1940s. I’m out of time to check but am happy w my response to critics.
Unless you have lost a child, like me, you do not know the horror these parents are suffering. My daughter died of cancer, and it was not preventable. What makes this tragedy horrifically senseless is that measles is COMPLETELY preventable with vaccination. My heart and prayers go out to this family.
The place should have been shut down when it was reported they denied a thirsty child water.
"Another area Dr. Tildren shared was one of the fallacies of the allopathic doctors: the fear of hydrating sick people. He noted that “water was forbidden to all fever patients because their systems were filled with mercury (calomel), and when Mercury is in, water must stay out; if not, salivation through mercurial poisoning takes place.” All of this is based on the principle that ”our most potent poisons are our best remedies.” The destructive effects of mercury are not confined to the mouth. After treating with mercury, physicians then use antiseptic mouthwashes and iodides (compounds with iodine in its oxidative state). Beware of both of these. Better still, beware of all drugs, including mercury in all its forms.”"
You have no training in science or medicine, have you? Of course you don't. Ignorance kills and, at present it is killing innocent children, and you are complicit. Shame on you.
You are clueless. That arsehole spreading lies knows that you are a science illiterate, cognitively impaired idiot. He relies on idiots like you for his income.
Thank you for another great post and for being a voice of reason. That quote from RFK’s measles book should be presented to the good Senator Cassidy, and he should be asked directly how he let this happen.
Yes, that is what Bobby SHOULD do, but he will not. The Cult is incapable/unwilling to ever admit culpabilituy or apologize, deny/deflect is their modus operandi.
Somehow Kennedy, using his anti-vaccine organization Children's Health Defense.(which he is still running, don't believe their claim that he's no longer involved which is a lie), will turn this into more anti-vaccine propaganda.
The American Academy of Pediatrics get off its butt and call these anti-vax leaders out by name directly, including. It is great that Dr Offit does this but Dr. Offit has done this long enough. The AAP has refused to go directly after anti-vaccinationists for 14 years. The AAP needs to be down in Texas right now. That is where their leadership needs to be, not hiding in their headquarters posting on social media.
HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on CBS this Morning, April 9, 2025:
"Are you encouraging people to get the measles vaccine?"
"Okay, so that... I mean, I think that’s actually the next step. And that’s news as far as I’m concerned that you’re saying that. Because, you know, there’s the issue of the federal government. We talked about this earlier when it came... when we were talking about food, that what’s the position philosophically of the federal government in terms of public health? The federal government’s position... my position is people should get the measles vaccine. But if the government should not be mandating..."
Why haven't you added your fruit to your avatar? There is a public health emergency and you think you can just break the rules? Stop being so reckless and put your fruit avatar on.
I have had the opportunity to look at your list of "evidence," and do you plan to submit this trash to peers for examination for review? Of course not. You are the author of of the basest lies and unsupportable "scienceless science" imaginable. While the studies you were not foolish enough to "author" yourself urge scientific caution and further study, you AGAIN charge ahead with outright lies, gross exaggerations, and the customary foolishness. "WE" are eliminating the vaccine industry? Who included you in the equation? Your undeserved arrogance is only surpassed by your total ignorance. Madonna Mia, I have been laughing for the past 5-minutes of reading your covering 125 conditions. You would not recognize evidence if it rested on your birthday cake!
You will teach me nothing. Your "science" is worse this round than the previous time I corrected you, yet you go on to repeat the exact same foolish errors as before. You come to this site because no one reads your trash at your own site. You attempt to mooch "followers" from Dr. Offit because you are a scientific jamoke who, literally, no one cares exists. Go away and pad your silly ranks from your obscure, unreasoned, unread, and unrecognized musings on nothing. You will teach me? Not in this lifetime.
Ambassador is it? Because you respect titles. But somehow Bouvier never spoke publicly on good ole Ted actually killing a woman. And that’s Secretary Kennedy to you.
Caroline was about 11 at the time of the Chappaquiddick event. I think Ted should have gone to prison. However, it is a bit much to expect an 11 year old to take a public stand. Frankly, I don't give a damn that most of the Kennedy family is calling Bobby Jr out for the predator that he is. He is a horrible human being who is doing great damage to the US. May he burn in Hell.
First, you're right that RFK was wrong in saying that there are annual deaths from measles in the USA, when, in fact, the 1st death this year in Texas was the FIRST in 20 years! Therefore, the media's fear-mongering has to be put in this extremely extremely minor statistic.
Second, as it turns out, this new death and the previous one were not due simply to measles but to the extremely bad medical treatment, even probably medical malpractice. It is almost as though the physicians at the hospital wanted these deaths...or at least they provided such poor medical care that their actions led to these deaths.
I see your mph degree was wasted on you Dana. Please turn it back in and go do some non-technical job where you can't spread disinformation like you are here.
Well, as an honors undergraduate from UC Berkeley and then an honors graduate from UC Berkeley School of Public Health, this alma mater's alumni magazine published a 5-page interview with me. It seems that U.C. Berkeley appreciate my work: https://homeopathic.com/about/
Here is one more person who shows how little they know despite having degrees...but more important, it shows the low level of character in some people commenting here.
I welcome good critique of my work, not the poorly researched attempts at character assassination.
Sir, no presumption of your character you are in all likelihood a good person BUT you factual knowledge of science is not substantiated by your comments.
Please provide a specific example. I'm very curious what error in facts I provided so that I can either learn from you or that you will discover that your feet are firmly standing in mid-air and you need to learn from me.
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
He says he has a problem with the protocols involved….
Yes, well he has to find something to blame for the child’s death, doesn’t he?
The protocols /guidance were followed to the letter.
Of course, Kory has form in concocting bizarre protocols that aren’t evidence based…remember the MATH+ nonsense for Covid, and when Kory’s published claims they were great were all retracted?
They delayed and didn’t use the right antibiotic, which isn’t following them to the letter. And don’t forget giving Remdesivir (an EUA drug too toxic to continue in trials to treat Ebola) was following the protocols to the letter for Covid. Also remember the papers that report the 3rd leading cause of death is improper medical care.
Ignoring your irrelevant deflections, the protocols for CAP in children call for ceftriaxone plus/minus MRSA cover.
….Box ticked.
For other pathogens not covered by this empirical regimen (fungi, mycoplasma, legionella, chlamydia pneumonias, mycobacteria, ESBL gm negatives etc) the guidance suggests do diagnostic testing and await the results so to direct specific appropriate antimicrobial therapy.
….Box ticked.
Kory says there was a 10 hour delay in giving azithromycin after the test was positive, but looking at the time lines of the described events (and we only have Kory’s interpretation of these; he refuses to release records for independent scrutiny), we can see that the 10 hours is the “delay” between the appropriate samples BEING TAKEN and the antibiotics being administered.
How do we know this? …because the sample taken was a bronchoalveolar lavage, so it only possibly be performed once an ETT has been sited for ventilation. Then the lab has to do PCR/DNA probe, and that takes at least 6-8 hours for results to be available.
I know you feel like you have to always take the side of the establishment. And more people see this all the time too, it’s why you’re losing trust. Again, all I’m doing is trying to help you gain perspective of your skeptics. I really hope that you guys will join in and face you skeptics at the table, it will resolve the mistrust the fastest way possible. It’s like in labour relations, the company can dig their heels in and refuse to negotiate while their business is further damaged. The companies that thrive embrace grievances and address them to the satisfaction of their opponents. I get it you’ll never have everyone onboard, but clearly the public health trust crisis has moved so far from just a fringe minority being disillusioned that they can’t be ignored, doing so will just result in a further deterioration of the situation.
Yes, remdesevir was and is used, because it works. Please keep in mind that not everyone gets their info from the Fox/Rogan/Weinstein propaganda machine.
Such class BillyJoe, you’re a real winner. Just keep with the derogatory attacks it does a great job exposing the fraud that you’re working so hard to contain.
Dr Pierre Kory is a disgraced quack who is no longer even board certified due to his promotion of covid misinformation. And he has no experience whatsoever with pediatrics. His comments about standard of care in pediatric pneumonia are false, both with regards to the addition of a macrolide and the inclusion of MRSA coverage. You notice how he has quoted no actually guidelines or evidence
The fact that the anti-vaxx community has to turn to a disgraced lunatic who does not even treat children, nor even have specific expertise in infectious disease, to make their point shows their desperation.
Yes any doctor that has a mind to think outside of the indoctrination, gets whacked. The doctors during Covid that had it right, the ones that said no we can practise medicine instead of sending people home to get sicker because the establishment doctors are indoctrinated to do nothing for a virus just let it run its course, those doctors the ones that actually saves people, they were fired.
Wow. Where did you learn sepsis is an iatrogenic disease? Have you ever heard of sepsis as a complication of a UTI? Perhaps from burns? MVAs? Alcoholics with advanced cirrhotic liver disease? River parasites? Why not enlighten us with statistical data regarding other than anecdotal reports of individuals who have developed sepsis from medically indicated injections with sterile needles using aseptic techniques.
Why not enlighten us with statistical data regarding other than anecdotal reports of individuals who have developed sepsis from medically indicated injections with sterile needles using aseptic techniques.
Looks like Vanu "the child killer" AruMUGham just dug into his Disinformation Dump to reply to a comment. That long comment took him about as long to post as it took to copy/paste. You are MUG if you read it.
It’s nice that you take the time to address each point. Compared to 5 years ago how much do you feel confidence in public health’s position on vaccines has fallen?
"Second, as it turns out, this new death and the previous one were not due simply to measles but to the extremely bad medical treatment, even probably medical malpractice."
How could you be against getting to the bottom of these issues? Of course total transparency is the way to go, especially if public health has any aspirations to gain back public trust. Look, polling shows that trust of public health since 2019 went from over 70 percent to around 40 percent now, if in fact Paul Offit is misrepresenting this case that’s only going to make it worse. It’s time for total transparency otherwise this situation keeps getting worse.
“trust of public health since 2019 went from over 70 percent to around 40 percent now”
I think you are misrepresenting the surveys about trust in public health agencies. IIRC it was that 40% had a “great deal of trust” in them, and overall the percentage who trusted them was well over 50%, although it has declined during COVID thanks to the constant stream of disinformation pumped out.
Thanks for the clarification, and for confirming the public don’t trust them as much as they used to - clearly the trend is going the wrong way. Anyone blaming the decline in trust on others and not taking responsibility is part of the problem - real leaders take responsibility because they know that is the fastest path to fixing problems. Why someone that is a proponent of public health wouldn’t want to embrace a restructuring to save and make it better is a problem. Public health hasn’t operated in the world that everyone else that deals with public relations does, they have no experience in how to properly fix problems to get the population back onside.
You should know this is exactly the environment you would want because if you engage in a totally transparent process if there are no problems it will be convincing and the fact that you pull that off participating in the exercise with your greatest skeptics will be decisive in rebuilding trust. Working to censor skeptics is just working against you. Look, I’m trying to help you gain a perspective of those that you need to convince. Nothing would be better than getting back to a place where everyone is on the same page, it would be so much better for our society.
transparency in these situations is required. Public health’s record during COVID to misrepresent deaths as COVID deaths has caused them to be discredited, what they report can’t be accepted without an audit. That’s the consequence of censoring and spreading propaganda. But it’s a free country, you have nothing to be anxious about, no one is working to prevent access to the products for those that want them.
More attacks, you’re supporting my case that you have run out of ideas of how to control the narrative. It’s time for total transparency Mr unstable molecule, otherwise you’re fuelling the fire of mistrust. Look, it’s at the stage that you either convince the public and your skeptics with everyone at the table at the same time or your declining trust worsens. Why the hesitation to pull back the curtain, it’s as though you know with everything on the table not even the greater good argument will hold up. I just want to see the truth and there are too many examples that everyone can see where public health intentionally misled people, comments during COVID like, the Covid vaccine is exactly like all the vaccines we are so familiar with, just like the polio vaccine. Well, nothing could be further from the truth and if they will misrepresent that, what else are they prepared to not tell the truth about? Anything I think is the answer.
The old tools that allowed the propaganda to be safe and effective for them has fallen apart and people see it, and like all adoptions curves they eventually go vertical. If I was them I’d be getting out front and coming clean and looking to be part of the solution. You can tell they are out of ideas and as they double down on old tactics. The disservice they are doing not only discredits themselves but also does harm to everyone that is losing or has lost trust in the systems we need. Best that the implosion happens sooner than later so that society can get on at fixing the problems. Many of these people believe so strongly they refuse to reject studies / experiments that their arguments are based on that aren’t able to produce repeatable results. The “science” they argue from behind is junk, and even past directors of agencies and editors of journals have said as much.
No of course not, rates of chronic illness, autoimmune and neurological problems keep going up right along with ever more drugs and vaccines, time to get totally transparent and stop saying anything can be explored except the very products that intentionally stimulate inflammation.
Gad...that $75 cost is for 5 tubes of 7 CREAM...at a 40% discount! Double gad, this skin cream includes calendula (marigolds, which are full of carotene, ideal for the skin), aloe vera (!), the herb Neem from India (!).
As for my e-course, it includes a 700+ page ebook called "Evidence Based Homeopathic Family Medicine" which provides a summary of 500+ clinical trials published in peer-review medical journals plus a link to each study, plus description of 5 to 15 of the most common homeopathic medicines for 80% of the 100+ ailments, with individualizing detail about when each homeopathic medicine is indicated. For at least 20% of the conditions, there are no homeopathic medicines listed because such ailments are of a serious and usually chronic nature and for which professional homeopathic care is indicated as an "adjunctive" treatment.
So, once again, a skeptic of homeopathy provides how they do not do their homework and show an embarrassing level of a scientific attitude. Thanx for your triple GAD comment.
Well, Mr Foul-mouth Freddy, my ebook includes references to clinical trials published in the Lancet (multiple trials), the British Medical Journal (multiple trials), Pediatrics, Chest, Cancer, The Oncologist, Pediatrics Infectious DIsease Journal, Plos One, and others. I like to let the studies that these first-class medical journal publish speak for themselves.
But heck, since you've shown no ability or desire to become informed about homeopathic research, I'm glad that your own words here prove how many of your comments are projections upon yourself. I sincerely hope that you stop digging the hole in which you are standing.
Citing studies because they were published in top tier journals doesn’t validate the use of homeopathy in clinical practice. As you well know, detailed review of homeopathic studies showed that the ones suggesting it worked were all of low methodological quality and/or had significant bias and confounding; the high quality trials showed homeopathy has no effect beyond that of placebo.
But that’s all by the by…the point here is that you are in absolutely no position to comment on what is or is not appropriate treatment in cases of critical illness/severe sepsis. You have zero experience or expertise in it, so stop speculating please.
Please tell me where “flat earthers” have 500+ clinical trials published in peer-review medical journals, including the Lancet, BMJ, Pediatrics, Pediatrics Infectious Disease Journal, Plos One, Cancer, The Oncologist, and many more.
Excuse me, but you obviously don’t know shit or shinola about homeopathy and homeopathic medicine (aka nanopharmacology). Heck, we would have never heard about Charles Darwin if he didn’t get homeopathic treatment. Oh, you also don’t seem to know shinola about medical history either…
As has been pointed out many times, the studies of homeopathy in journals can be divided up into those that are methodologically weak with high risk of bias, and those which are methodologically strong with low risk of bias.
Guess what? When analysed, the studied without bias show NO effect from homeopathy beyond placebo.
It is only the poor studies (usually published in "homeopathy" journals), that indicate homeopathy is effective.
Homoeopathy is the most ridiculous and obvious nonsense ever perpetrated on the public. Promoting this stupid nostrum is a sure sign of mental and moral decay.
And here is this pathetic creature promoting sales of his products and courses in the commnetary section about a child who died to measles, a death to which this arsehole contributed with his lies
Are you ACTUALLY saying that the known chemistry that provide benefits to the skin that is found in marigolds, aloe vera, and neem is non-existent? C'mon, put up or shut up.
Stop jerking off, Dullman, you are an embarrassment.
Get on your knees and seek forgiveness for your role in the dumbing down of the population that has ended in the death of those innocent young children in Texas.
What can be more offensive than spreading misinformation that kills innocent young children. Pull you head in, arsehole, before it gets knocked off. Metaphorically of course, unlike the real death of that young child you helped kill.
Sadly the people in charge are ok with this. More will die. Many fear vaccines because of books sold by RFK and seems people want to trust him rather than truth. Very sad to hear this. Also many viruses are attributed to cancer.
The top sellers on Amazon “vaccination” heading are AntiVaxx topics. It’s crazy that four Republican Senators, who are physicians, voted to confirm RFK Jr. He has even pushed the notion that Thimerosal causes autism. 🙄🤦♂️
Yes and notice no more measles. However people fear the vaccines now so people will die. If the virus continues to spread at this pace, the country risks losing its measles elimination status, a hard-fought victory earned in 2000. Public health officials in West Texas said that the outbreak is likely to persist for a year. Right now in Texas alone over 500 kids are sick. More will die.
RFK attended the funeral and stated that the MMR vaccine is the “most effective” way to stop measles spread. You go on your way and please do not respond. Thanks
As always, Thank You Dr. Offit for your efforts and clarity in discussing these issues. I first discovered your contributions in the early days of COVID and more than slightly attribute them to encouraging our housebound teen to switch from a planned future in “Fashion Merchandising” to now completing her MPH in HC Policy.
I am consistently frustrated, however, by the PH Community eye rolls and shrugs regarding the actual intent of the Trump Admin in installing RFK Jr. When I bring up the history of authoritarian regimes manipulation of the PH system, I get the “Never attribute to malice what can explained by incompetence” brush off.
It matters that we recognize WHY RFK Jr. was selected by this regime. WHY he and his front organizations have long been supported by Bots and nefarious funding mechanisms from outside the US, etc. he’s not just some bungling boob that doesn’t understand how science and biology works… he’s a tool to bring down our system.
Along those lines, I noted this piece that goes a long way to discuss this phenomenon. I have no control the author, though I feel it a comprehensive discussion of the topic without going too much into specifics
Perhaps you (and your graphs) are able to explain how the CDC reports 3,000+ diptheria deaths in the 1940s, 2,700+ polio deaths in the 1950s, 3,366 pertusis deaths between 1950 & 1960, and 6,172 measles deaths between 1950 and 1962 if "clean air, clean water, and better sanitation" BEFORE vaccinces were so effective in the US, while SUDDENLY they virtually vanished with vaccines?
Very sad that any child should die in this age when we know that the measles vaccine is safe and effective. Thanks Dr. Offit for standing up for the truth!
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
When your conspiracy-driven delusions make you distrust every bit of scientific data produced by health agencies, the WHO, research organisations, academic centres and published research, who do you turn to for the evidence?
...The guy who empties your litter bins every Thursday?
When your conspiracy-driven delusions make you distrust every bit of scientific data produced by health agencies, the WHO, research organisations, academic centres and published research, who do you turn to for the evidence?
...The guy who empties your litter bins every Thursday?
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
You are an idiot. Measles necessitated medical intervention IN HER CASE. Her siblings different biospheres and , in the case of measles, did not require intervention. Guess what , slugger.
No disease is completely restricted to the target tissue or to the symptomatic expression, such as the rash. Her pneumonia was an expression of her body’s inability to handle the measles’s virus effectively. Also her viral count may have been much higher than her siblings. I had measle, mumps and chickenpox as an elementary student. My kids and grandkids got vaccinated. I have had viral pneumonia at least 7 times before getting the recommended vaccines for pneumonia. No mental gymnastics here- just experience,
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
When your conspiracy-driven delusions make you distrust every bit of scientific data produced by health agencies, the WHO, research organisations, academic centres and published research, who do you turn to for the evidence?
...The guy who empties your litter bins every Thursday?
Except neither child “died of measles.” The first was already proven to be from doctors mismanaging her mycoplasma pneumonia and not treating with the appropriate antibiotic until a day or less before she died.
I like to call these people "vaxtards." They refuse to accept science, but will fervently believe any witch doctor, charlatan, quack, snake-oil salesman, etc. who happens to roll into town with his Medicine Show.
No he should be stripped of his position shown who he is as a fraud and thrown in jail. He is a narcissist
I’d really like to know why he hasn’t been reported for practicing medicine without a license.
Unfortunately someone who isn't an MD can still be the head of the DHHS. That person can direct health policy, without actually "practicing" medicine. But I'm sure Kennedy thinks he knows more that 99% of doctors.
i actually think he does!
Errr, no. He might know some stuff on some aspects of environmental toxicities, but knows sweet FA about everything else, and that includes vaccines and autism.
He knows more than you guys do, just without your financial incentives.
What do you know about the child who died Saturday? Not perfectly healthy previously as they said: chronic mono and tonsillitis. Recovered from measles, but got sepsis. At hospital the parents asked for the widely recommended budesonide treatment (which I would as well), but the hospital REFUSED!?! It gave her steroids, further depressing her already depressed immune system and she died. Between this and the Mennonite girl’s not being given the obviously correct antibiotic for mycoplasma pneumonia for eleven hours after identification, it LOOKS as though hospitals were deliberately giving fatal treatments to punish patients for not getting the MMR. Or maybe to use them as advertising.
Were the hospital staff incompetent or malign?
Malone is the purveyor of this info. Has he got the case notes? will he make them public, or just twist the facts and lie as he has done before? We both know the answer…he won’t reveal what they really say.
According to the hospital, the child had no pre-existing health issues.
According to Malone’s confused story, the child may have had previous infectious mononucleosis (EBV) and recurrent tonsillitis, yet elsewhere he says this developed AFTER the child got measles. Strange.
If the child had tonsillitis and pharyngeal ulceration, then inhaled budesonide would be contraindicated, as it would deposit steroids locally in an area of inflammation and sepsis, causing worsening disease.
If the child was in severe sepsis/septic shock, then systemic steroids are often given to support the metabolic requirements and to compensate for endogenous steroid depletion. Nothing wrong with that. It can improve outcomes of sepsis and reduce mortality.
Thank goodness the hospital DIDN’T give inhaled budesonide - to do that would have been negligent and no doubt if they had the family could well have a claim for negligent death as it would have worsened the risks of sepric tonsillitis and septicaemia/”septic shock”.
Inhaled steroids WORSEN local inflammation in the pharynx. Budesonide increases the risk of pharyngitis five-fold.
They would be dangerous to give to someone with tonsillitis…they not only cause more inflammation but trigger fungal and bacterial colonisation and sepsis, leading to higher risk of septic complications and septicaemia.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK74073/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19126133/
I know more about them than you, Vinu. You think they are all yeast allergies. LOL.
We know for sure that you can't read or count.
What about before he became head of the DHHS? He was telling people to take vitamin A instead of the vaccine well before his confirmation.
He does indeed know more than most- having worked around physicians for decades as an internal medicine NP, I can assure you, Kennedy knows more about certain health topics than many physicians. The latest unreasonable doctor comment I have heard was from a patient suffering post Covid vaccine heart related symptomology, two days after her “booster.” She told him, “Doc, this chest pain began within a couple days of my shot” and he replied, “Not in my world it didn’t!!”and sent her on her way to cardiology nonetheless, thank goodness. This sort of behavior is unconscionable and the main reason why people do not trust their physicians or our healthcare agencies in general, any longer. And they shouldn’t trust them. Kennedy will do a fine job and is a much-needed breath of clean, fresh air. The agencies are corrupt and filled with paid shills, the journals are corrupt and retract any article less than glowing regarding the Covid “vaccines” and the whole system needs an overhaul. He is THE man to do it. We should all get behind him. And act like WE don’t know everything. Unfortunately, the attitude that doctors know all is rampant, but only in their own minds. The public knows better.
He’s a joke, not some medical authority. I remember when he claimed MMR and the Rotavirus vaccines contained mercury… he couldn’t even get those simple facts correct despite claiming vaccine expertise!
I’m gonna make an educated guess here and say more kids/people are going to unfortunately die which will ultimately lead to Trump firing RFK jr. I’m gonna say this will happen by the end of 2026 or sooner. A record number of people will die from the flu and measles. That might be the time Trump steps in. Thoughts?
Ok!
As a retired medical school professor, I say you are spouting nonsense and should have your license revoked!!
Ahh… another know-it-all. OK! You were probably terrible at your job, but never knew it.
"Ahh...another know-it-all. OK!" No, I was good at my job. A tenured professor with patents, many publications. And I know that YOU are terrible at YOUR job because you deny empirical science. Resign!!
Translation: no, you won't look and see that RFK jr has made millions lying.
Your 1st link doesn't show what you claim it does.
Your second link is a youtube vid and not evidence of anything.
So I'm right. Got it.
Translation: you are still too stupid to read YOUR link.
Your first link is a study showing the importance of healthcare workers to get vaccinated.
The second link is a video of 4 guys (unnamed) chitchatting. Who are these guys? What are their backgrounds? Please tell me you’re not that gullible to blatantly believe what random people say in a YouTube video.
It makes sense you’re a vaccine skeptic because you don’t seem to understand the value of a credible source.
Nope.
The consensus is:
1. You are too stupid to understand that hospital personnel and nursing home personnel are not the same as doctors.
2. You are too immoral to correct your idiocy.
This is laughable. RFK jr doesn’t even believe in the germ theory which was discovered 150 years ago. He thinks HIV is caused by recreational drugs like poppers lol. How on earth could he know more about science than doctors? He’s like the ultimate flat-earther to the medical world.
In his 2021 book, The Real Anthony Fauci: Bill Gates, Big Pharma, and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. discusses various aspects of the HIV/AIDS crisis, “Duesberg and many who have followed him offered evidence that heavy recreational drug use in gay men and drug addicts was the real cause of immune deficiency among the first generation of AIDS sufferers.” Page 280s I believe.
HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on CBS this Morning, April 9, 2025:
"Are you encouraging people to get the measles vaccine?"
"Okay, so that... I mean, I think that’s actually the next step. And that’s news as far as I’m concerned that you’re saying that. Because, you know, there’s the issue of the federal government. We talked about this earlier when it came... when we were talking about food, that what’s the position philosophically of the federal government in terms of public health? The federal government’s position... my position is people should get the measles vaccine. But if the government should not be mandating..."
"Most doctors agree Kennedy knows more about science than doctors"
That is NOT what your link says.
You prove unable to read.
Is the .0005 - .1 mg of formaldehyde in vaccines worse than the 1.1 mg that a babies body produces through natural processes? Formaldehyde in vaccines is chemically identical to formaldehyde that a human body produces.
What mercury is being stuck in babies arms? And god does know what else is in the vaccines since the ingredients are listed. As long as you can read, you and your god can know what is in them.
Babies are exposed to more aluminum in breast milk than in vaccines in the first 6 months of life. But the antivax community won’t tell you that.
I would say extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, but in your case I think absurd claims require just some evidence. What evidence to you have that AIDS is caused by poppers? What evidence do you have that disputes the existence of viruses? Are you saying all doctors are part of a cabal who are intentionally poising patients?
In English, please.
Those were all words saying, "I've fallen for anti-vax propaganda."
Thanks for the translation!
And you still can't read the ingredients in vaccines correctly......or understand them!
Oh, so you have been making arguments this whole time. What exactly are your arguments? I am not talking about nonsense claims. What are your logical arguments? What are your premises? (viruses don't exist, AIDS is caused by poppers, flat earth etc.), What is the evidence for any of these topics you keep bringing up? Using your evidence, can you draw a clear connection to your conclusions? Feel free to continue to inserting your childish insults into your comments. Just provide a semblance of coherent thought.
Agree
The Liar in Chief is the only one that can remove him and you know that isn’t happening.
No this is actually what they want to happen.
I have made the case that Kennedy could be jailed for the morbidity and mortality his lies have cost. Read about it here: https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/02/health/shingles-vaccine-dementia.html?unlocked_article_code=1.9U4.n861.XlZXnRpI6I4G&smid=url-share
Considering America's high mortality rate pre AND post COVID, every Secretary of DHS deserves to be jailed. RFK is the only one who is not a Big Pharma shill.
Honestly I thought you were dead. Perhaps it would have helped save those children in Texas if you were. I will write that on your tombstone when you eventually relieve the world of your odious presence.
Wow!
How could anyone finish 5th grade and fall for such BS?
Oh, those are your "patients"!
Hmmm... So Canada has less than half the excess mortality of the US, but a 20% higher coVid Vax rate... Any connection?
the problem is is that you read the NYT- why don’t you read the articles on the Children’s Health Defense website and the interviews with the doctors that were actually given access to the first girls medical records. Incredible interview with the parents of the girl and of the doctor that has been treating that community since the outbreak.
No I do not get my science info from the NYT, or from the CHD, which is totally biased. I get mine from science journals and reports, which are are peer reviewed and screened for poor methods and bias. You clearly do not. And an anecdotal interview with the parents of ONE patient is NOT a reason to make a broad medical decision for all people!! THAT is why medical science eschews anecdotal claims and, instead, relies on controlled trial of many people. Stop spreading your nonsense!
Your problem is that when it is proven that CHD is lying, you don't care.
they are not lying
Julie you’ve handcuffed your entire identity to a psychopath and now you’re an emotional addict to whatever nonsense anyone puts out, that taps your FEELINGS and keeps you from admitting that you’ve become a fool’s tool.
No longer able to think for yourself, your curiosity has vanished, and now you must ingest daily or even hourly, anything that confirms your feelings… to keep you from crashing every time REALITY doesn’t line up with what you’re being pushed.
As you age this will become harder.
As Trump becomes more and more unstable, so will you!
You are literally doing to your brain what an addiction to substance does long term.
You’ve got me completely wrong Emma.
Well we the people showed up so the sleeping giant is awakened.
funny to say dear Laura but I am certainly not a bot
Can you name one reason why he should be stripped of his position and one reason how he is a narcissist?
Oh a chaos bot!!
What facts do you base your claim on?
What FACTS do you base your silly claims on?? Anecdotes? Unpublished, unreviewed "science"?? You are a fraud.....
So childish of you. 2 Kids have died.
Have you read any of the articles on the Children’s Health Defense Website? These amazing doctors were given access to the child’s’ records - they did not die of measles
If the virus continues to spread at this pace, the country risks losing its measles elimination status, a hard-fought victory earned in 2000. Public health officials in West Texas said that the outbreak is likely to persist for a year.
I am saying that anti-vacc liars prey upon folks too stupid to understand 5th grade math.
Please don’t swear at me
Good luck! Bye and don’t swear at me
Sigh....it is still 6th grade science to prove that contagion exists....
Fine don’t get one and you have that right! I have the right not to be infected so please wear a damn mask! I don’t want your disease or germs. As an RN I protect my patients and I take care of babies and children and that includes infection control. Not everyone has perfect immune systems
Correction: we learned that anti-vaccs will lie about masks and count on folks being stupid.
The size of virus is still the wrong measure........just like all the previous times!
The viruses aren’t floating around naked in the air. They are enclosed in droplets, which are larger than the holes of a decent quality mask. Masks also prevent “projectile” exhalation, in the same way that a hedge acts as a wind break.
There will be leakage around the sides of the masks however.
Experiment:
Put on a mask and try and blow out a candle. Why can’t you do it if oxygen and nitrogen molecules are smaller than the holes in the mask?
Thought experiment:
Why do mosquito nets reduce the risk of spreading yellow fever? Are the viruses too large to pass through a net?
So you can't understand the math showing they work.
And you can't understand the basic biology about relevance of pore sizes.
No wonder the anti-vaccs fool you so easily!
Bye Chris I can’t fix stupid but disease will! Have a nice day! I’ll probably see you in the ICU I’ll do my best to save your life! Bye now have a great day- no further discussion
What do you know about this child that makes you so expert? I am RN work with leading scientists globally and work in pharmaceutical and devices I won’t lie to you
Explain to me the difference between a drug with 50 years of use with known behavior and compared to a brand new drug. You’re the one on kool aid buddy! I’d tell you you can pretty much trust a product with 50 years of use it has an established profile. People haven’t seen these diseases but know we are because of fear! Because media has sold you a bill of goods! And they want to kill you
Virus are not dead.
The child’s death, at a hospital in Lubbock, Texas, early Thursday morning, is the second confirmed fatality from measles in a decade in the United States.
The child died of “measles pulmonary failure,” according to records obtained by The New York Times.
You really are sick. 2 children died from measles. A virus. It’s a fact. Honor their lives.
I appreciate your effort to enter a profession that is considered noble from various perspectives. However despite your experience and letters after your name you truly have lost any credibility by your statement on masks. Most sentient folks now realize that in a profit driven health industry…patients are recurring revenue streams and it seems your presence in such a top down autocratic architecture has captured some of your ability to reason. We will avoid any ethics comments as the author of this piece is entirely a byproduct of the new adage” follow the money to find the science”
And anyone that bothers to look sees that masks work.
Please learn basic words like "gene therapy" before posting more BS.
Well I can understand that and I appreciate you want to do the right thing for your children! That’s good! We agree on that!
I can understand that antivaxxers need to try to absolve their guilt by coming up with all sorts of bullshit but you have to know no one is buying your excuses. Those children died because they were unvaccinated and got infected with the measles virus. And YOU are one of the lying arseholes who killed them. Period.
You are in lala land. There is no "measles virus" or "vaccinated" and "unvaccinated".
https://odysee.com/@firestarter:7/SLJS-05-Measles-German-High-Court-Stefan-Lanka:7
All it takes is the integrity to read the Court rulings to see the anti-vacc lies!
Thank you for exposing yourself as a crazy conspiracy theorist.
Nothing more needs to be said.
(BTW, Stefan Lanka is a science crank, who won that case on a technicality because he asked for "one study" and he was given THREE STUDIES)
Imagine if you would what the antivaxers would be blaming the death on if either of these children had had MMR vaccine rather than having measles.
Do you think they'd be claiming..."Nah, absolutely no way was this the vaccine...it was medical negligence!" ...Fat chance.
After all, RFK has clear personal form on this one...recall how he blamed MMR for the deaths of 2 kids in Samoa when those deaths *actually WERE* due to medical negligence?
I see that the anti-vaccs prey upon folks too stupid to read the ingredients in vaccines.
The fact these kids were hospitalized tells me they were very sick. Why do you minimize disease? Why do you want to harm innocent children? And more will die due to stupidity.
We already know the second child's death is being blamed [yet again] on medical error (when there was none).
Well the antibiotics given were appropriate, so no error there. I suppose it’s possible that she died when someone unplugged her ventilator when they wanted to brew some coffee.
Well I guess if you are stupid enough to believe that fully half of all deaths in hospitals come from medical errors and not disease then you’d pretend these kids both died from medical errors, but even then by the law of averages only one of them died from that. What about the other one?
Still waiting for one anti-vacc to have the integrity to read the studies on medical errors.
And you still can't read the ingredients in vaccines correctly.
liar!!
Liar!
When I see life-saving vaccines, which have a two hundred year record of saving lives, referred to as "poisonous injections of filth" --
I know I am not dealing with the brightest bulb on the Christmas tree.
Please find us one anti-vacc that is even functionally literate!
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toxin
Yes, the anti-vacc liars prey upon folks too stupid to understand 5th grade science.
They could have eradicated other dangerous quack treatments that used to cause a lot of deaths at least in so far as those attached to the label measles. Course kids might still be getting dodgy treatments and dieing from them without any fuss because the deaths are given some other label.
"It was a day of frequent and heroic dosage and equally frequent and heroic bleeding. In the South, during the summer, there was a cry of fever, fever, fever, and calomel was used (a mercury chloride mineral with formula Hg2Cl2, mercury(I) chloride. By the 19th century, calomel was viewed as a miracle drug. It was used against almost every disease, including syphilis, bronchitis, cholera, ingrown toenails, teething, gout, tuberculosis, influenza, and cancer) along with quinine (medication used to treat malaria and babesiosis). These were administered lavishly, thus adding to the horror."
https://www.healthscience.org/dr-john-h-tilden-biography/
Yes, me too. And I like your use of the word "cretin."
You know where that word comes from? It's French for "Christian."
And one hell of a lot of anti-vax people (aka vaxtards) are devout Christians.
If the shoe fits...
Lying antivax lunatic child killer. Hang your head in shame.
J K <-- "Lying murderous psychopathic freak ... cretin".
A snotty-nosed schoolkid red in the face and stomping his little feet. Too funny.
The sad reality is that the internet makes it easier for the anti-vacc liars to prey upon fools.
I think that worm didn't just damage his brain; I think it also decimated his heart. I cry just looking at a child's coffin.
First, I never made any appeals to authority, and I HAVE looked at the scientific evidence. Since I actually do cry at the sight of a child's coffin, that was a statement of fact. As for appealing to "a motion," I see you not only skipped out of Science class, but also English.
I'm glad you replied to yourself. At least you have somebody to talk to. I guess Bill Gates and his magnets are why we die from, um, what is it again? I mean, no such thing as pathogenic viruses or bacteria. I'm so happy to hear that! If you get bit by a rabid dog, be sure NOT to take the rabies vaccine.
Well, that's wonderful news. I can't understand why so few people in the world believe that. I guess they just don't understand your genius. For your sake, I hope none of the rabbits living with you in that rabbit hole have rabies.
Translation: you don't understand any virology and you won't learn any.
rombios <-- "liar"
Every accusation is an admission.
You should be jailed for complicity in the murder of a second innocent child in Texas.
You are see evil and do more and more evil!
Pharma-shill, like your boy, RFK Jr? He just stated, “The most effective way to prevent the spread of measles is the MMR vaccine.” Maybe the sight of a child in his coffin finally got to him.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5235025-rfk-jr-consoles-texas-family-mmr-vaccine-measles/
First, none of your sources are credible except PubMed, but that source wasn't relevant, since the article said that children who are DEFICIENT in vitamin A, (and also D and E) are more susceptible to respiratory infections, which Dr. Offit has already discussed. But this child was reported as being in otherwise "good health," so presumably she was not deficient in any vitamins, and providing vitamins to kids who have measles but are not deficient does nothing, and some kids are being given too much and are getting sick from excessive vitamin A, which is toxic when overdosed. Having said that, if the hospital did give her the wrong antibiotics, then they were negligent and that is very easy to prove. At this point, the medical records have not been released to the public, so it has not been proven. The parents have the records and no doubt will sue if, in fact, the standard of care was not followed, so whatever the truth is, it will come out, so I will wait and see on that one. I'm surprised the parents even let her be given antibiotics, since many anti-vaxxers (including commenters here) don't even believe pathogens exist, in which case, antibiotics are pointless. The paranoid anti-vaxxers are already suggesting they killed her on purpose to support their narrative, and that just shows me how wacko those folks are. The bottom line is that she caught the disease that killed her (measles kills via pneumonia) because she was unvaccinated. But keep on believing vaccines are evil. I don't care. But you may want to avoid rabid animals because if you get bit by one, then you will have to decide whether to cling to your "rabid" beliefs and die or come to your senses. Again, choose what you want; I don't care.
RomBios is an angry University of YouTube graduate (major seems too be reading books by conspiracy theorists ..)
"The MMR injection is the worst kind, even admitted secretly by the CDC leading to mass autism among infants."
Where did they admit that?
"That’s not even a possibility in the MMR shot shoots amounts of aluminum into the brain of an infant, causing massive toxicity"
There is NO aluminum in MMR.
It is not possible to be functionally literate and to fall for the anti-vacc lies.
https://www.fda.gov/media/75191/download
First, I'm no soy boy; I'm a woman of nearly 70 who lifts weight. Sorry to disappoint you. Second, your ancestors, like mine, had an average life expectancy about half or less than currently throughout our evolution on this planet, mostly due to death from those non-existent pathogens, even though they didn't eat highly processed food and got lots of exercise. Even RFK Jr is now promoting the MMR vaccine after his most recent trip to Texas. I don't plan to respond any more because you are too far down the rabbit hole and I have better things to do with my time.
https://slate.com/technology/2013/09/life-expectancy-history-public-health-and-medical-advances-that-lead-to-long-lives.html
NBC's headline was "Second measles death reported in Texas".
NYT's headline was "A Second Child Dies of Measles in Texas"
Headlines needs to read: "The US anti-vaccine movement spearheaded by Robert F Kennedy Jr has killed a second unvaccinated child with measles." Make these cold-hearted, grifting child killers own their carnage.
Enough of this bullshit.
Amen! It's because of vaccination that we had eliminated the disease. People got complacent and now as always children suffer for poor parental decisions. I know the parents are suffering now but this could have been avoided. Maybe this will wake up some parents.
The measles vaccine was not given to one sole until the big measles outbreak was relatively zero so how could it be responsible for eliminating it? Easy to check-search for a graph of measles outbreaks & notice dates of the huge outbreak especially when it was mostly over-never entirely. Then search separately for the date that the measles vaccine was created & deployed. Then search if getting the measles is ever a side effect of getting the measles vaccine. Then u may wonder why do some people hide these facts making it seem so obvious that the vaccine is perfect & unquestionable. Of course you can just continue to trust your sources & never question things you are told (sold). I need to add—one has to search measles outbreaks in late 1800s & early 1900s. Graphs of outbreaks in the 1940s & 1950s were just ending but still significant when the vaccine was “licensed”. This explains: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9150958/
Having done so, I can only conclude that the vaccine knocked down measles infections with gusto. The research, graphs, statistics, and dates are perfectly clear and easy to cross-check.
Deployment of the vaccine in 1963 preceded the drop in measles cases from over 450,000 in that year (it had been over 400k every year since 1951, when baby boom kids flooded public schools) to less than 20,000 in 1968. There was no sudden change in nutrition or public sanitation in 1963, so it was the vaccine that ended the outbreak, if you can call 12 consecutive years an "outbreak." The improved 1968 vaccine and the 1989 second-dose recommendation precede complete elimination of measles in 2000.
"Measles as a side effect of the vaccine" has no citation in a scientific journal. (A mild rash ten to fourteen days after vaccination that quickly fades is not "measles." That's scare-mongering.)
Math too difficult?
Lying arsehole. And learn to spell "soul" you uneducated bogan.
Those lying graphs have been completely exposed and you know it.
Your statements are completely wrong. The statistics and graphs show the exact opposite of what you state. You are getting your information from sources who are lying to you.
A "sole" is the bottom of a foot. A "soul" is a reference to an everlasting spirit of a human. Look deeply into your own soul to understand why you want to believe lies instead of the truth. Your passions are misguided. Open your heart and mind to the truth.
This lying arsehole antivax child killer has referred to a book by another lying arsehole antivax child killer. What a surprise!
In substack, look at Dr. Andrea Love March 24 of this year. She discusses the very chart you reference. In any case, there is so much accurate information out there written by scientists and doctors, asking me for a link is pretty silly.
Google offers them 1st when searching.
Let me help you here:
1) A point-by-point debunking of the lies of this vile creature by 6 scientists in "Unbiased Science" and "Deplatform Disease" appropriately titled:
"Lies, Damned Lies, and Suzanne Humphries"
2) Similar treatment of this arsehole on 'Debunk the FUNK":
"I watched Joe Rogan talk to Suzanne Humphries so you don't have to"
Wow! I think Chrissy baby is Crazy angry with me for exposing his Cretinous Conspiracy Crap.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
Yes, the CDC produced the data. They are the agency which collates all the incidence and mortality data for infectious diseases in the US.
Who do you expect to have done this work...the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration?
Thanks! Other graphs don’t agree w that one but it fits reality with vaccines in general. I have not compared cases & vaccines. May be higher cases well into 1940s. I’m out of time to check but am happy w my response to critics.
Measels is not eliminated. Its rapid spread is eliminated. Breakouts of a few hundred or dozen occur every year. Stop w the handw
If there was such a thing as a measles virus it wouldn't suddenly start killing kids just because you lost an election.
We definitely need stronger action with these child killers.
I can see why they are so desperate to shift the blame.
I'm sorry Chris, if you want to lick your middle finger clean, pick someone else to deposit their shit on it, there's a good boy.
You are flat-earth ignorant.
Chris, having actually performed these tests, (which of course you have not), I can say that small particles which behave exactly like viruses exist.
Stop spamming antivax propaganda
Anti vax grifter
Thanks for the link.
It is predicated on being too stupid to read.
How many times are you going to post a link to the filthy lies that come out of the sewer mouth of Robert "child killer" Malone?
Robert Malone is already spreading gossip, rumour, and lies about the second child.
And you are a clueless nong if you believe anything that arsehole says.
You don't know how medically ignorant his piece was do you?
Because you are as deplorably ignorant about the stuff you talk about as that disgusting creature is.
That lying antivax lunatic, rombios, is now lying in a attempt to assuage guilt for his role in the murder of innocent young children in Texas.
Unless you have lost a child, like me, you do not know the horror these parents are suffering. My daughter died of cancer, and it was not preventable. What makes this tragedy horrifically senseless is that measles is COMPLETELY preventable with vaccination. My heart and prayers go out to this family.
"Cancer is a disease of civilization. It was never seen before. "
You should really think about what the word civilization means!
"We evolved to DEPEND on measles (and other) infections for good health."
Nope, the anti-vaccs are liars counting on folks being morons.
"We evolved to DEPEND on measles (and other) infections for good health"
What a goddamn stupid statement.
You don't realise how incredibly stupid it is, do you, Vinu AruMUGham.
1 in 1000 die
1 in 1000 get encephalitis.
1 in 50 get pneumonia.
1 in 5 get hospitalised.
ALL can be prevented with two doses of the vaccine.
Stop spamming antivax propaganda, vinu
F.O. with your repeated link to sewer mouth malone.
The place should have been shut down when it was reported they denied a thirsty child water.
"Another area Dr. Tildren shared was one of the fallacies of the allopathic doctors: the fear of hydrating sick people. He noted that “water was forbidden to all fever patients because their systems were filled with mercury (calomel), and when Mercury is in, water must stay out; if not, salivation through mercurial poisoning takes place.” All of this is based on the principle that ”our most potent poisons are our best remedies.” The destructive effects of mercury are not confined to the mouth. After treating with mercury, physicians then use antiseptic mouthwashes and iodides (compounds with iodine in its oxidative state). Beware of both of these. Better still, beware of all drugs, including mercury in all its forms.”"
https://www.healthscience.org/dr-john-h-tilden-biography/
OMFG, are you fv<k!ng serious!
John Tilden died in 1940!
You have no training in science or medicine, have you? Of course you don't. Ignorance kills and, at present it is killing innocent children, and you are complicit. Shame on you.
"I suspect the hospital is *killing* them on purpose to advance its agenda."
I know none of the anti-vaccs will make that claim under oath--because they are liars.
Good thing the protocols have been posted so everyone can read the words and see your link is a bunch of anti-vacc lies.
You are clueless. That arsehole spreading lies knows that you are a science illiterate, cognitively impaired idiot. He relies on idiots like you for his income.
Thank you for another great post and for being a voice of reason. That quote from RFK’s measles book should be presented to the good Senator Cassidy, and he should be asked directly how he let this happen.
Yes, that is what Bobby SHOULD do, but he will not. The Cult is incapable/unwilling to ever admit culpabilituy or apologize, deny/deflect is their modus operandi.
Somehow Kennedy, using his anti-vaccine organization Children's Health Defense.(which he is still running, don't believe their claim that he's no longer involved which is a lie), will turn this into more anti-vaccine propaganda.
The American Academy of Pediatrics get off its butt and call these anti-vax leaders out by name directly, including. It is great that Dr Offit does this but Dr. Offit has done this long enough. The AAP has refused to go directly after anti-vaccinationists for 14 years. The AAP needs to be down in Texas right now. That is where their leadership needs to be, not hiding in their headquarters posting on social media.
Yes, this is goiing to take more than just blog posts and YouTube videos. We are dealing with child killers here.
Apparently along with RFK jr.
HHS Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on CBS this Morning, April 9, 2025:
"Are you encouraging people to get the measles vaccine?"
"Okay, so that... I mean, I think that’s actually the next step. And that’s news as far as I’m concerned that you’re saying that. Because, you know, there’s the issue of the federal government. We talked about this earlier when it came... when we were talking about food, that what’s the position philosophically of the federal government in terms of public health? The federal government’s position... my position is people should get the measles vaccine. But if the government should not be mandating..."
You keep making these claims year after year.......but all you have to show is a bunch of stupid anti-vacc lies.
"dont make me laugh"
What a vile despicable troll you are! Another child has died of measles in Texas, and you helped put her in the morgue. Have some goddamn decency.
rombios--too stupid to understand the word toxin........no matter how many times the definition is posted.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/toxin
The cult will be powerless in 2 years and gone in 4 years. Get over it, child killer.
Why haven't you added your fruit to your avatar? There is a public health emergency and you think you can just break the rules? Stop being so reckless and put your fruit avatar on.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4NRXx6U8ABQ
I have had the opportunity to look at your list of "evidence," and do you plan to submit this trash to peers for examination for review? Of course not. You are the author of of the basest lies and unsupportable "scienceless science" imaginable. While the studies you were not foolish enough to "author" yourself urge scientific caution and further study, you AGAIN charge ahead with outright lies, gross exaggerations, and the customary foolishness. "WE" are eliminating the vaccine industry? Who included you in the equation? Your undeserved arrogance is only surpassed by your total ignorance. Madonna Mia, I have been laughing for the past 5-minutes of reading your covering 125 conditions. You would not recognize evidence if it rested on your birthday cake!
"You incompetent, irrelevant clowns are not our peers"
Correct, you are about 5 standard deviations in intelligence and about 100 in integrity below the rest of us.
First sentence of your first link is a lie predicated on folks being too stupid to read.
You will teach me nothing. Your "science" is worse this round than the previous time I corrected you, yet you go on to repeat the exact same foolish errors as before. You come to this site because no one reads your trash at your own site. You attempt to mooch "followers" from Dr. Offit because you are a scientific jamoke who, literally, no one cares exists. Go away and pad your silly ranks from your obscure, unreasoned, unread, and unrecognized musings on nothing. You will teach me? Not in this lifetime.
His first cousin Ambassador Caroline Bouvier Kennedy aptly refers to him as a "predator" because he is one.
Ambassador is it? Because you respect titles. But somehow Bouvier never spoke publicly on good ole Ted actually killing a woman. And that’s Secretary Kennedy to you.
"Secretary" Brain worm Bobby you mean? Oh right, the conspiratorial pro-spread of contagion, science denying psychotic anti-vaxxer Bobby?
So, you are a child abuser as well as a child killer.
(she was a child when that occurred, arsehole)
Caroline was about 11 at the time of the Chappaquiddick event. I think Ted should have gone to prison. However, it is a bit much to expect an 11 year old to take a public stand. Frankly, I don't give a damn that most of the Kennedy family is calling Bobby Jr out for the predator that he is. He is a horrible human being who is doing great damage to the US. May he burn in Hell.
Good news/bad news.
First, you're right that RFK was wrong in saying that there are annual deaths from measles in the USA, when, in fact, the 1st death this year in Texas was the FIRST in 20 years! Therefore, the media's fear-mongering has to be put in this extremely extremely minor statistic.
Second, as it turns out, this new death and the previous one were not due simply to measles but to the extremely bad medical treatment, even probably medical malpractice. It is almost as though the physicians at the hospital wanted these deaths...or at least they provided such poor medical care that their actions led to these deaths.
https://www.malone.news/p/breaking-news-another-texas-child
I see your mph degree was wasted on you Dana. Please turn it back in and go do some non-technical job where you can't spread disinformation like you are here.
Well, as an honors undergraduate from UC Berkeley and then an honors graduate from UC Berkeley School of Public Health, this alma mater's alumni magazine published a 5-page interview with me. It seems that U.C. Berkeley appreciate my work: https://homeopathic.com/about/
Here is one more person who shows how little they know despite having degrees...but more important, it shows the low level of character in some people commenting here.
I welcome good critique of my work, not the poorly researched attempts at character assassination.
Sir, no presumption of your character you are in all likelihood a good person BUT you factual knowledge of science is not substantiated by your comments.
Please provide a specific example. I'm very curious what error in facts I provided so that I can either learn from you or that you will discover that your feet are firmly standing in mid-air and you need to learn from me.
https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/vaccineswork/2023/Thumbnail/measles-cases-us-1938-2019_h2.jpg
https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/vaccineswork/2023/Thumbnail/measles-cases-us-1938-2019_h2.jpg
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
Dude. I don't care where your degrees came from, but clearly you merely memorized and didn't learn a damn thing.
Yeah, there we go, Dullman just listed his credentials because he has no argument.
Please learn some basic science before commenting again.
Another mental deficient who does not understand what a scientific consensus is.
Apparently, he is oblivious to the existence of science textbooks which encompass the scientific consensus.
Apparently, he is unaware that scientists use the scientific consensus as a starting point to try out new ideas that advance science.
Apparently, he is unaware that the scientific consensus is always provisional and can be modified or changed as new evidence comes to hand.
But what can you expect of a cognitively impaired science illiterate moron?
Apparently, this little guy prefers the excretions embarrassingly called books published by quacks, cranks, and charlatans.
Categorical wrongx2 1st 😢 and your 2nd false assumptions are egregious 😢😢
JJF Phm 🇨🇦
https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/vaccineswork/2023/Thumbnail/measles-cases-us-1938-2019_h2.jpg
Antivax propaganda website.
What would Malone (or you for that matter) know about clinical care of children with infections/sepsis?
…Absolutely Fuck all.
Go away and stick to prescribing homeopathic “light of Venus” for baldness or whatever you think it’s good for.
You know guys like dr Pierre Kory know a lot about clinical care and he has a problem with the protocols that were followed.
He says he has a problem with the protocols involved….
Yes, well he has to find something to blame for the child’s death, doesn’t he?
The protocols /guidance were followed to the letter.
Of course, Kory has form in concocting bizarre protocols that aren’t evidence based…remember the MATH+ nonsense for Covid, and when Kory’s published claims they were great were all retracted?
They delayed and didn’t use the right antibiotic, which isn’t following them to the letter. And don’t forget giving Remdesivir (an EUA drug too toxic to continue in trials to treat Ebola) was following the protocols to the letter for Covid. Also remember the papers that report the 3rd leading cause of death is improper medical care.
Ignoring your irrelevant deflections, the protocols for CAP in children call for ceftriaxone plus/minus MRSA cover.
….Box ticked.
For other pathogens not covered by this empirical regimen (fungi, mycoplasma, legionella, chlamydia pneumonias, mycobacteria, ESBL gm negatives etc) the guidance suggests do diagnostic testing and await the results so to direct specific appropriate antimicrobial therapy.
….Box ticked.
Kory says there was a 10 hour delay in giving azithromycin after the test was positive, but looking at the time lines of the described events (and we only have Kory’s interpretation of these; he refuses to release records for independent scrutiny), we can see that the 10 hours is the “delay” between the appropriate samples BEING TAKEN and the antibiotics being administered.
How do we know this? …because the sample taken was a bronchoalveolar lavage, so it only possibly be performed once an ETT has been sited for ventilation. Then the lab has to do PCR/DNA probe, and that takes at least 6-8 hours for results to be available.
So 10 hours is what you’d expect.
I know you feel like you have to always take the side of the establishment. And more people see this all the time too, it’s why you’re losing trust. Again, all I’m doing is trying to help you gain perspective of your skeptics. I really hope that you guys will join in and face you skeptics at the table, it will resolve the mistrust the fastest way possible. It’s like in labour relations, the company can dig their heels in and refuse to negotiate while their business is further damaged. The companies that thrive embrace grievances and address them to the satisfaction of their opponents. I get it you’ll never have everyone onboard, but clearly the public health trust crisis has moved so far from just a fringe minority being disillusioned that they can’t be ignored, doing so will just result in a further deterioration of the situation.
Yes, remdesevir was and is used, because it works. Please keep in mind that not everyone gets their info from the Fox/Rogan/Weinstein propaganda machine.
You either make money from it or you are one of the poor souls that is trapped under the indoctrination
"They delayed and didn’t use the right antibiotic"
They followed the protocol, you fv<k!ng l!@r
"3rd leading cause of death is improper medical care.''
You fv<k!ng l!@r.
That paper has been completely debunked and you know it.
Such class BillyJoe, you’re a real winner. Just keep with the derogatory attacks it does a great job exposing the fraud that you’re working so hard to contain.
Nope, anti-vaccs monetize the lies about the protocol.
But they will never, every make these claims in Court, under oath, because they are liars.
Nope retracted because the hospitals provided the proof that Kory is a liar and a fraud.
It just takes the integrity to read the protocols to see that Kory is a liar.
Dr Pierre Kory is a disgraced quack who is no longer even board certified due to his promotion of covid misinformation. And he has no experience whatsoever with pediatrics. His comments about standard of care in pediatric pneumonia are false, both with regards to the addition of a macrolide and the inclusion of MRSA coverage. You notice how he has quoted no actually guidelines or evidence
The fact that the anti-vaxx community has to turn to a disgraced lunatic who does not even treat children, nor even have specific expertise in infectious disease, to make their point shows their desperation.
Yes any doctor that has a mind to think outside of the indoctrination, gets whacked. The doctors during Covid that had it right, the ones that said no we can practise medicine instead of sending people home to get sicker because the establishment doctors are indoctrinated to do nothing for a virus just let it run its course, those doctors the ones that actually saves people, they were fired.
Nope.
You only support liars and frauds.
WRONG 😞
Ooooh! Scary!!!!
Good fiction, Vinu.
Translation: all you have are really, really stupid anti-vacc lies!
Definition of sepsis:
https://my.clevelandclinic.org/health/diseases/12361-sepsis
Definition of allergic reaction:
https://www.cancer.gov/publications/dictionaries/cancer-terms/def/allergic-response
Yup, the anti-vacc liars count on folks being too stupid to read a definition!
Wow. Where did you learn sepsis is an iatrogenic disease? Have you ever heard of sepsis as a complication of a UTI? Perhaps from burns? MVAs? Alcoholics with advanced cirrhotic liver disease? River parasites? Why not enlighten us with statistical data regarding other than anecdotal reports of individuals who have developed sepsis from medically indicated injections with sterile needles using aseptic techniques.
"You are a fool. "
Says the fool that has proven himself unable to read or count at the middle-school level!
Why not enlighten us with statistical data regarding other than anecdotal reports of individuals who have developed sepsis from medically indicated injections with sterile needles using aseptic techniques.
Looks like Vanu "the child killer" AruMUGham just dug into his Disinformation Dump to reply to a comment. That long comment took him about as long to post as it took to copy/paste. You are MUG if you read it.
It’s nice that you take the time to address each point. Compared to 5 years ago how much do you feel confidence in public health’s position on vaccines has fallen?
"Second, as it turns out, this new death and the previous one were not due simply to measles but to the extremely bad medical treatment, even probably medical malpractice."
Nope, the anti-vaccs are lying about the details.
One just needs the integrity to read the words.
No surprsise that perennial arsehole, Dana Ullman, is a fan of sewerage mouth, Robert Malone.
Clearly this science illterate fvkw!t also knows nothing about medicine.
Corrections:
- Protocols were followed. Period.
- Pneumonia was a complication of measles damaging the lungs and would not have occurred if not for the measles infection.
- The mortality rate of measles in the US is 1 in 1000. It would be remarkable if all of her siblings did not survive.
- The mortality rate of the measles vaccine is FAR LESS THAN 1 in a million doses.
- Most paediatricians come out even or lose money vaccinating their patients.
"I suspect they are WILLFULLY killing children to advance and agenda."
Correction: the anti-vaccs are lying, knowing their lies kill children.
"Sorry Dana, as you point out in your second point, these are NOT measles deaths. They are iatrogenic deaths"
Make your claim in Court under oath--or admit you are a liar.
Dullman: ""1st death this year in Texas was the FIRST in 20 years!""
The MUG: "hese are NOT measles deaths. They are iatrogenic deaths."
Hilarious! One mental deficient correcting another mental deficient!
Both wrong:
First measles death in 10 years.
First measles death in a child for 20 years.
How could you be against getting to the bottom of these issues? Of course total transparency is the way to go, especially if public health has any aspirations to gain back public trust. Look, polling shows that trust of public health since 2019 went from over 70 percent to around 40 percent now, if in fact Paul Offit is misrepresenting this case that’s only going to make it worse. It’s time for total transparency otherwise this situation keeps getting worse.
“trust of public health since 2019 went from over 70 percent to around 40 percent now”
I think you are misrepresenting the surveys about trust in public health agencies. IIRC it was that 40% had a “great deal of trust” in them, and overall the percentage who trusted them was well over 50%, although it has declined during COVID thanks to the constant stream of disinformation pumped out.
What is your source for your claim?
Thanks for the clarification, and for confirming the public don’t trust them as much as they used to - clearly the trend is going the wrong way. Anyone blaming the decline in trust on others and not taking responsibility is part of the problem - real leaders take responsibility because they know that is the fastest path to fixing problems. Why someone that is a proponent of public health wouldn’t want to embrace a restructuring to save and make it better is a problem. Public health hasn’t operated in the world that everyone else that deals with public relations does, they have no experience in how to properly fix problems to get the population back onside.
You don’t reinvigorate trust in public health by appointing an antivaxer who believes HIV doesn’t cause AIDS to head up the Health Services.
You should know this is exactly the environment you would want because if you engage in a totally transparent process if there are no problems it will be convincing and the fact that you pull that off participating in the exercise with your greatest skeptics will be decisive in rebuilding trust. Working to censor skeptics is just working against you. Look, I’m trying to help you gain a perspective of those that you need to convince. Nothing would be better than getting back to a place where everyone is on the same page, it would be so much better for our society.
"You kill for a living, lie to cover up your crimes and expect people to trust you."
So sue. Oh wait, you are lying so you won't.
At least you are profoundly stupid.
Vinu "child killer" AruMUGham <-- "You kill for a living"
No, by understanding basic logic and math and sceince.
BTW: total transparency is still 100% impossible.......just anti-vacc BS that preys upon the most feebleminded!
You are clueless, son, and we have shown that in previous comments. I'm surprised you still show your face around here.
You have nothing but insults. The cats out of the bag, too many people see right through your manipulative tactics now for you to be effective.
You are the one the supports fraud that kills people.
No children dying of measles in 20 years and now 2 unvaccinated children in a month.
I have a feeling people are going to see through YOUR deceitful tactics.
transparency in these situations is required. Public health’s record during COVID to misrepresent deaths as COVID deaths has caused them to be discredited, what they report can’t be accepted without an audit. That’s the consequence of censoring and spreading propaganda. But it’s a free country, you have nothing to be anxious about, no one is working to prevent access to the products for those that want them.
More attacks, you’re supporting my case that you have run out of ideas of how to control the narrative. It’s time for total transparency Mr unstable molecule, otherwise you’re fuelling the fire of mistrust. Look, it’s at the stage that you either convince the public and your skeptics with everyone at the table at the same time or your declining trust worsens. Why the hesitation to pull back the curtain, it’s as though you know with everything on the table not even the greater good argument will hold up. I just want to see the truth and there are too many examples that everyone can see where public health intentionally misled people, comments during COVID like, the Covid vaccine is exactly like all the vaccines we are so familiar with, just like the polio vaccine. Well, nothing could be further from the truth and if they will misrepresent that, what else are they prepared to not tell the truth about? Anything I think is the answer.
The child killer is confusing science with politics.
Yeah, he is THAT stupid.
The old tools that allowed the propaganda to be safe and effective for them has fallen apart and people see it, and like all adoptions curves they eventually go vertical. If I was them I’d be getting out front and coming clean and looking to be part of the solution. You can tell they are out of ideas and as they double down on old tactics. The disservice they are doing not only discredits themselves but also does harm to everyone that is losing or has lost trust in the systems we need. Best that the implosion happens sooner than later so that society can get on at fixing the problems. Many of these people believe so strongly they refuse to reject studies / experiments that their arguments are based on that aren’t able to produce repeatable results. The “science” they argue from behind is junk, and even past directors of agencies and editors of journals have said as much.
No of course not, rates of chronic illness, autoimmune and neurological problems keep going up right along with ever more drugs and vaccines, time to get totally transparent and stop saying anything can be explored except the very products that intentionally stimulate inflammation.
Gad...that $75 cost is for 5 tubes of 7 CREAM...at a 40% discount! Double gad, this skin cream includes calendula (marigolds, which are full of carotene, ideal for the skin), aloe vera (!), the herb Neem from India (!).
As for my e-course, it includes a 700+ page ebook called "Evidence Based Homeopathic Family Medicine" which provides a summary of 500+ clinical trials published in peer-review medical journals plus a link to each study, plus description of 5 to 15 of the most common homeopathic medicines for 80% of the 100+ ailments, with individualizing detail about when each homeopathic medicine is indicated. For at least 20% of the conditions, there are no homeopathic medicines listed because such ailments are of a serious and usually chronic nature and for which professional homeopathic care is indicated as an "adjunctive" treatment.
So, once again, a skeptic of homeopathy provides how they do not do their homework and show an embarrassing level of a scientific attitude. Thanx for your triple GAD comment.
OMG homeopathic Rx's contain essential nothing given their inherent dilutions
You are within your rights to believe what you may, you are completely misinformed!
Please don't share your false understandings of science and medicine with your family and neighbours🙏
Own goal:
One of the major causes of chronic disease is infection.
Vaccinations help prevent chronic disease by preventing infections.
Get vaccinated.
Thank you for kicking that goal.
You wouldn’t know valid scientific evidence if it bit you in the ass. Sorry, Dana.
Well, Mr Foul-mouth Freddy, my ebook includes references to clinical trials published in the Lancet (multiple trials), the British Medical Journal (multiple trials), Pediatrics, Chest, Cancer, The Oncologist, Pediatrics Infectious DIsease Journal, Plos One, and others. I like to let the studies that these first-class medical journal publish speak for themselves.
But heck, since you've shown no ability or desire to become informed about homeopathic research, I'm glad that your own words here prove how many of your comments are projections upon yourself. I sincerely hope that you stop digging the hole in which you are standing.
Citing studies because they were published in top tier journals doesn’t validate the use of homeopathy in clinical practice. As you well know, detailed review of homeopathic studies showed that the ones suggesting it worked were all of low methodological quality and/or had significant bias and confounding; the high quality trials showed homeopathy has no effect beyond that of placebo.
But that’s all by the by…the point here is that you are in absolutely no position to comment on what is or is not appropriate treatment in cases of critical illness/severe sepsis. You have zero experience or expertise in it, so stop speculating please.
Stop advertising your crap in the commentary section of an article about a child you helped kill. FFS!
Big surprise.
You can't understand the science or do the math.
As if you understand the first thing about immunology.
You think immunologists haven't thought about inhaled vaccines? Idiot. You think they haven't tried to make them work. Idiot.
You think they are still not trying? Idiot.
No, because you are a goddamn idiot.
And you still can't understand big words like toxin!
Homeopaths are the flat earthers of medicine. Dumber than dirt.
Please tell me where “flat earthers” have 500+ clinical trials published in peer-review medical journals, including the Lancet, BMJ, Pediatrics, Pediatrics Infectious Disease Journal, Plos One, Cancer, The Oncologist, and many more.
Excuse me, but you obviously don’t know shit or shinola about homeopathy and homeopathic medicine (aka nanopharmacology). Heck, we would have never heard about Charles Darwin if he didn’t get homeopathic treatment. Oh, you also don’t seem to know shinola about medical history either…
As has been pointed out many times, the studies of homeopathy in journals can be divided up into those that are methodologically weak with high risk of bias, and those which are methodologically strong with low risk of bias.
Guess what? When analysed, the studied without bias show NO effect from homeopathy beyond placebo.
It is only the poor studies (usually published in "homeopathy" journals), that indicate homeopathy is effective.
Homoeopathy is the most ridiculous and obvious nonsense ever perpetrated on the public. Promoting this stupid nostrum is a sure sign of mental and moral decay.
And here is this pathetic creature promoting sales of his products and courses in the commnetary section about a child who died to measles, a death to which this arsehole contributed with his lies
How low can you get.
"a summary of 500+ clinical trials published in peer-review medical journals"
So, you think the fact there is lots of homeopathic fraud is a strong argument.......
Hah! So according to Dana, $75 for some quack cream is a bargain, BECAUSE IT IS A 40% DISCOUNT!
…You could not make this shit up.
Are you ACTUALLY saying that the known chemistry that provide benefits to the skin that is found in marigolds, aloe vera, and neem is non-existent? C'mon, put up or shut up.
I am saying that your argument fails basic counting.
But then homeopathy preys upon the innumerate.
"marigolds, aloe vera, and neem"
Stop jerking off, Dullman, you are an embarrassment.
Get on your knees and seek forgiveness for your role in the dumbing down of the population that has ended in the death of those innocent young children in Texas.
And shove that useless cream up you arse.
Dana, show me the published randomised, double blind, controlled trial showing the benefits of your home quack cream versus moisturiser/placebo.
How about a publication in one of the journals you go on about, like the Lancet?
…C’mon, put up or shut up!
Wow. Thanx for showing the insane and offensive person that you are.
I’m just reposting what YOU claimed.
What can be more offensive than spreading misinformation that kills innocent young children. Pull you head in, arsehole, before it gets knocked off. Metaphorically of course, unlike the real death of that young child you helped kill.
Perhaps you were the reason for the dog having that problem?
Sadly the people in charge are ok with this. More will die. Many fear vaccines because of books sold by RFK and seems people want to trust him rather than truth. Very sad to hear this. Also many viruses are attributed to cancer.
The top sellers on Amazon “vaccination” heading are AntiVaxx topics. It’s crazy that four Republican Senators, who are physicians, voted to confirm RFK Jr. He has even pushed the notion that Thimerosal causes autism. 🙄🤦♂️
https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/thimerosal-again
You just helped kill another child arsehole. At least have the decency to hang your head in shame. You disgust me, you lying antivax lunatic.
Fake news.
You just helped kill another child arsehole. At least have the decency to hang your head in shame. You disgust me.
Yes and notice no more measles. However people fear the vaccines now so people will die. If the virus continues to spread at this pace, the country risks losing its measles elimination status, a hard-fought victory earned in 2000. Public health officials in West Texas said that the outbreak is likely to persist for a year. Right now in Texas alone over 500 kids are sick. More will die.
It shows deaths prior to vaccines and when vaccine was introduced deaths disappeared
No further discussion thanks bye 👋🏻
No your not reading the chart correct
Many people have explained how you can't read a graph or count.
You just don't care.
This explains better! Have a nice day
RFK attended the funeral and stated that the MMR vaccine is the “most effective” way to stop measles spread. You go on your way and please do not respond. Thanks
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/5235025-rfk-jr-consoles-texas-family-mmr-vaccine-measles/
Spamming propaganda again, are you?
Robert Malone has been abadoned even by his murderous antivax buddies.
Both those children died because they were unvaccinated and got infected by the measles virus. Arsehole.
As always, Thank You Dr. Offit for your efforts and clarity in discussing these issues. I first discovered your contributions in the early days of COVID and more than slightly attribute them to encouraging our housebound teen to switch from a planned future in “Fashion Merchandising” to now completing her MPH in HC Policy.
I am consistently frustrated, however, by the PH Community eye rolls and shrugs regarding the actual intent of the Trump Admin in installing RFK Jr. When I bring up the history of authoritarian regimes manipulation of the PH system, I get the “Never attribute to malice what can explained by incompetence” brush off.
It matters that we recognize WHY RFK Jr. was selected by this regime. WHY he and his front organizations have long been supported by Bots and nefarious funding mechanisms from outside the US, etc. he’s not just some bungling boob that doesn’t understand how science and biology works… he’s a tool to bring down our system.
Along those lines, I noted this piece that goes a long way to discuss this phenomenon. I have no control the author, though I feel it a comprehensive discussion of the topic without going too much into specifics
https://open.substack.com/pub/mccormickmd/p/heres-why-they-are-dismantling-the?r=4ahbh&utm_medium=ios
Thanks again for your efforts and influence. You’re a great asset to our nation and PH culture. All the Best.
Not paying me:
Perhaps you (and your graphs) are able to explain how the CDC reports 3,000+ diptheria deaths in the 1940s, 2,700+ polio deaths in the 1950s, 3,366 pertusis deaths between 1950 & 1960, and 6,172 measles deaths between 1950 and 1962 if "clean air, clean water, and better sanitation" BEFORE vaccinces were so effective in the US, while SUDDENLY they virtually vanished with vaccines?
https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/vaccineswork/2023/Thumbnail/measles-cases-us-1938-2019_h2.jpg
This MUG is a victim of Malone Mania.
Yes, running the anti-vacc fraud requires lying.......and fools to be scammed.
Very sad that any child should die in this age when we know that the measles vaccine is safe and effective. Thanks Dr. Offit for standing up for the truth!
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
Who do YOU want to collate the data, Rombios?
When your conspiracy-driven delusions make you distrust every bit of scientific data produced by health agencies, the WHO, research organisations, academic centres and published research, who do you turn to for the evidence?
...The guy who empties your litter bins every Thursday?
Thanks, Mike, for castrating this antivax lunatic. You are helping to save the lives of the children that he is trying his best to kill.
Yes, the CDC produced the data. They are the agency which collates all the incidence and mortality data for infectious diseases in the US.
Who do you expect to have done this work...the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration?
Who do YOU want to collate the data, Rombios?
When your conspiracy-driven delusions make you distrust every bit of scientific data produced by health agencies, the WHO, research organisations, academic centres and published research, who do you turn to for the evidence?
...The guy who empties your litter bins every Thursday?
In 2013 the Polings explained that the anti-vaccs were lying about the case.
https://www.ageofautism.com/2013/11/rolf-hazlehurst-on-vicp-at-congressional-briefing.html?cid=6a00d8357f3f2969e2019b00f6331e970c#comment-6a00d8357f3f2969e2019b00f6331e970c
Yes, all you have is fraud.
Thanks for continuing to prove how stupid the anti-vacc liars are.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
Hey, what happens when modern countries stop using a vaccine?
I wonder what contorted “reasoning” the antivaxers will come up with this time to pretend that “this was not a measles death”?
…Doctors killed them by putting them on a ventilator?
…Doctors killed them by NOT putting them on a ventilator?
…Doctors killed them because they gave antibiotics with the letter X in the name?
….Doctors killed them because they DIDN’T give antibiotics with the letter X in the name?
We shall see…🤔
F.O.with your vile links to the sewer mind of Malone
Apologize ???????
He should be indicted for WILLFUL ENDANGERMENT OF A CHILD !
Bet you he was vaccinated. His mother had more sense.
"the first child did not die of measles she died of pneumonia due to hospital intervention"
So make the claim in Court, under oath.
But you won't, because you are lying!
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/vaccineswork/2023/Thumbnail/measles-cases-us-1938-2019_h2.jpg
Note: rombios objects to people acting ethically.
But continues to support people that act unethically.
Yup, the anti-vaccs are that stupid.
Yes, the CDC produced the data. They are the agency which collates all the incidence and mortality data for infectious diseases in the US.
Who do you expect to have done this work...the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration?
You are an idiot. Measles necessitated medical intervention IN HER CASE. Her siblings different biospheres and , in the case of measles, did not require intervention. Guess what , slugger.
No disease is completely restricted to the target tissue or to the symptomatic expression, such as the rash. Her pneumonia was an expression of her body’s inability to handle the measles’s virus effectively. Also her viral count may have been much higher than her siblings. I had measle, mumps and chickenpox as an elementary student. My kids and grandkids got vaccinated. I have had viral pneumonia at least 7 times before getting the recommended vaccines for pneumonia. No mental gymnastics here- just experience,
education , reasoning. Give them a try.
Yes, we know you can't read word, or a graph, or count.
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
"A greater than 92% decline in cases and a 99% or greater decline in deaths due to diseases prevented by vaccines recommended before 1980 were shown for diphtheria, mumps, pertussis, and tetanus. Endemic transmission of poliovirus and measles and rubella viruses has been eliminated in the United States; smallpox has been eradicated worldwide. Declines were 80% or greater for cases and deaths of most vaccine-preventable diseases targeted since 1980 including hepatitis A, acute hepatitis B, Hib, and varicella. Declines in cases and deaths of invasive S pneumoniae were 34% and 25%, respectively."
As usual. No intelligent response.
Any verifiable data . Just bullshit.
I find your stupidity very convenient and refer your postings to many vaccine hesitant parents.
Most think you work for Merck and are trying to make the anti-vaccs look at morons to improve vaccine sales.
But I have your back. I assure them that you are EXACTLY that stupid!
It’s extremely painful for me to think about a child dying from a preventable disease.
Poor rombios.......still can't count or understand big words like "newspaper"......
https://www.gavi.org/sites/default/files/vaccineswork/2023/Thumbnail/measles-cases-us-1938-2019_h2.jpg
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/209448
Yes, the CDC produced the data. They are the agency which collates all the incidence and mortality data for infectious diseases in the US.
Who do you expect to have dome this work...the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration?
Who do YOU want to collate the data, Rombios?
When your conspiracy-driven delusions make you distrust every bit of scientific data produced by health agencies, the WHO, research organisations, academic centres and published research, who do you turn to for the evidence?
...The guy who empties your litter bins every Thursday?
Except neither child “died of measles.” The first was already proven to be from doctors mismanaging her mycoplasma pneumonia and not treating with the appropriate antibiotic until a day or less before she died.
Correction: anti-vaccs are making money lying about the case.
Same bet: no anti-vacc will make that claim in Court under oath--because they are lying.
Nice comment there. You’re so special. Your mother must be so proud.
I like to call these people "vaxtards." They refuse to accept science, but will fervently believe any witch doctor, charlatan, quack, snake-oil salesman, etc. who happens to roll into town with his Medicine Show.
They are not very bright.
I think I misunderstood you in another comment. My apologies.
Quackery is not science.
Your long comment is predicated on not being able to think or count.