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Amy Givler, MD's avatar

Thank you for pointing out that even one child’s death, when it could have been prevented, is a tragedy. My concern is that preventable infectious diseases are going to spike but there will be no “story” because reporting has been dismantled.

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

The real "epidemic" is the wave of iatrogenic deaths of 150,000-200,000 that happen annually, not the "measles-related" deaths that I can count with my fingers.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

What a f8cking loser. That's such a stupid comment.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Yeah context, son, and nothing to do with vaccinations.

Nice try at diverting away from your flailing and failing argument.

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Meryl Freeman's avatar

RFK is despicable and dangerous, but Malone is the highest form of subhuman. Any death from a disease that is either completely vaccine preventable or a vaccine that extremely lessens the chance of severe illness is tragic, but minimizing 250 potentially preventable deaths? Josef Mengele would be proud.

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Meryl Freeman's avatar

And you are distorting the very small risk of any medical intervention, including vaccines. And I mean any, something as simple as taking aspirin has risk. The overall risk of serious vaccine harm in the Covid vaccine, for example, is something along the lines of .02% if I remember my statistics, and that’s with close to billions of doses given worldwide. Again, as in with any medical intervention, there is a risk benefit ratio and vaccines overwhelmingly have proven to be safe and effective.

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Drew Hall's avatar

Except that the COVID mRNA therapy doesn't benefit healthy people and getting a booster every 6 months exposes the individual to serious harm over and over again. All it takes is for the serum to leak into the blood stream and get into a major organ.

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Meryl Freeman's avatar

Tell us you know absolutely nothing about immunology, vaccine technology, especially mRNA technology, without telling us. There’s so much pseudoscience in what you said that I’m not sure there’s any hope to educate you. And it’s not my job to do it on this forum, however, if you were my patient, I would be sure to make sure you understood it. Just stop spreading this conspiracy theory and medically erroneous bullshit.

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Omar Locke's avatar

LOOOOL! tell us youre trying to re-write history and "cape" foir the pharmaceutical industry without telling us.

To be clear mrna medical products are DEAD ON ARRIVAL as viable medical products that the vast majority of humanity (read that again) will trust. They are dangerous whether you want to agree with it or not. People believe that. We see that with regard to uptake. YOU can't even force these into people anymore.

The "conspiracy theory" is that mrna vaccines did anything to prevent severe disease, hospitalization, or death.

The debate on this is going nowhere. just accept that vaccines cannot have liability protection and that no one can be mandated or required to consume these shoddily made medical products in any setting.

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M. Stankovich, MD, MSW's avatar

Shoddily made? Two Nobel Prizes were awarded for this "shoddy" technology which stands as the future of cancer chemotherapy and beyond. Robert Malone continues to bitch to this day that he deserved the Nobel Prize and would accept in a heartbeat. You are an ignorant, unlearned, and unread jamoke who has no understanding of the amazing breakthrough that this technology constitutes - brilliance in complete simplicity. It delivers a direct cellular INSTRUCTION - a roadmap of viral recognition - and then is completely dissipated. It is simply not intended to do anything more. Period. It is not intended to prevent prevent severe disease, hospitalization, or death, blah, blah, blah. It is a pure DELIVERY system of cellular instructions. You need to slink back to wherever you came from and shut up!

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Omar Locke's avatar

okay. let’s see how it works out. if people think this shoddily made product is safe then they won’t mind consuming it. mandating them shouldn’t be much of an issue either…

LOOOOOOOOL!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

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Drew Hall's avatar

Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PubMed https://share.google/o4a2O65OgHgpwddWl

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Meryl Freeman's avatar

Sigh, the predicted cherry picked studied that you think might support your science illiterate view. The problem is, if you read the whole study, it doesn’t. Poor design, limitations, and many other flaws a few of which the authors even admit. And this study has been roundly debunked by the scientific community due to many inaccuracies among other things. Analyzing the full body of scientific literature on a particular topic doesn’t appear to be in your wheelhouse. Done with attempting to engage with you because you truly don’t understand this topic at all.

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Drew Hall's avatar

Just keep digging that hole.

Post RNA-based COVID vaccines myocarditis: Proposed mechanisms - PMC https://share.google/XHvIK1Uo82Ue9uoqh

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Edward's avatar
6dEdited

Your link doesn't support your contentions. You’re adamantly stupid.

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Coprophilic Wellness's avatar

Wrong, wrong and wronger. You're a fan of pedophile Scott Ritter, Blumenthal, Mate. Stop sucking on russians cunts.

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Drew Hall's avatar

Propaganda is extremely effective on you, isn't it?

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

But you are missing the other end of the coin here. The problem is vaccine injury, and suffering driven by over-vaccination.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Son, we are NOT missing the other side of the coin, the problem is that you are fixated on it. In fact, you are so fixated on it you never see THIS side of the coin - the far more frequent and far more severe complications of the infections that the vaccinations prevent.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

"The problem is vaccine injury, and suffering driven by over-vaccination."

Of which you have NO EVIDENCE. STFU.

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Omar Locke's avatar

Agreed. no one can ever seem to find any vaccine side effects. people are just experiencing them. theyre all just this grand "coincidence". sort of like autism.

It all "just happens". like magic...

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BillyJoe's avatar

"over-vaccination"

The total antigen exposure from vaccinations in the childhood schedule: <200.

The antigen exposure from the environment every single day: 3000.

YOU ARE AN UNEDUCATED FOOL.

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David Gorski's avatar

It’s what’s sometimes called soft eugenics. Antivaxxers aren’t actively killing anyone, but they believe that anyone who dies of a disease like the flu or measles must have something wrong with them. They’re therefore perfectly fine with letting nature do the culling for them. That’s why they react to children dying of the flu or measles with a shrug, rather than dismay, outrage, and a desire to prevent further deaths.

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

Before you talk of "soft eugenics" I'd like for you to justify the infectious disease mortality rate you are citing. There is a tendency for public health and vaccine promoters to highlight "graphic, individual cases" but overlook the fact that overall risk is incredibly low. Is it medically ethical to get the public to fear cases which are statistically improbable for them?

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Bobby's Worm's avatar

Vaccine-alarmists highlight "graphic, individual cases," or just FABRICATE AND LIE, but overlook the fact that overall risks with commonly administered vaccines are negligibly low.

You invert reality.

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BillyJoe's avatar

MORE DECEITFUL TACTICS FROM THIS ANTIVAXXER:

"I'd like for you to justify the infectious disease mortality rate you are citing"

You are the most obviously stupid antivax liar we have ever seen in this commentary section - well, apart from all the others!

Everyone can read what David Gorski wrote and that he did not cite any infectious disease mortality rates whatsoever!

You did the same to me on at least two occasions, claiming I said things I never said.

Why do you think you can get away with blatant lies and misrepresentations?

THIS IS A SCIENCE-BASED BLOG!

You can get away with this on antivaxxer sites because the readers are even more ignorant and gullible than you are, but not here.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Herd immunity is too difficult for you to understand, obviously.

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Michelle G's avatar

Now that these buffoons have louder platforms to spread conspiracy theories and anti-vaccine propaganda, the trickle-down effect won’t be a trickle at all—it’ll be a flood. And it’s going to hit hard. We’ll see more preventable illness and hospitalizations, right as people are losing health insurance and hospitals are closing, thanks to the disastrous “Big Ugly Bill.” It’s a perfect storm of incompetence, cruelty, and chaos.

In my view, even one vaccine-preventable death is too many. But if we continue down this path, we’re going to be forced to accept a lot more.

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Michael McEvoy's avatar

I believe we are in for a few decades of this antivax effect . It has been smoldering in so many forms for so long . We are in for a long night with it . Folks just see so little of the very real catastrophe of infectious disease because vaccines are so successful. But we gonna see more soon …

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Michelle G's avatar

💯

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Omar Locke's avatar

A few decades!? There was a "before covid" and then there's now. What you people supported will never be forgiven. Not ever. We've got video, books, and people will study this moving forward.

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

Actually, it's a permanent dialectical shift in public health. Medical culture has grown elitist and toxic with its gaslighting of vaccine injury. The public is demanding equal footing and shared-decision making. It's time for something new.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Oooooh....DIALECTICAL!

This dude MUST be correct. He uses BIG words.

I will let him explain what he thinks he means but, in the meantime, let me point out how foolish you would have to be to think that a member of the public with virtually no science literacy should have EQUAL STANDING with actual experts with all their accumulated knowledge and decades' worth of practical experience.

Here is another big word: LUDICROUS.

Do you understand that son?

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Omar Locke's avatar

LOOOOL! your anger won't change reality, pal.

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BillyJoe's avatar

GRANDMA LOCKE IS A DISGUSTING ANTIVAX LIAR.

Most recently, he abused Dr. Stanley Plotkin by implying he is antivax!

But here are some direct quotes from Dr. Stanley Plotkin on vaccinations:

Dr. Stanley Plotkin's recurring theme in his interviews and lectures, emphasizing the life-saving impact of vaccinations:

“Vaccines are the most powerful tool we have to prevent disease and death.”

Dr. Stanley Plotkin quoted in a 2024 issue of "Vaccines Beat", reflecting his advocacy for worldwide access to vaccines:

“Immunization is a global health and development success story, saving millions of lives every year.”

Dr. Stanley Plotkin's central argument in discussions about the safety of vaccinations:

“The risks of vaccines are minuscule compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent.”

GRANDMA LOCKE IS A DISGUSTING ANTIVAX LIAR

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Michael McEvoy's avatar

There is not gaslighting about vaccine injury . Vaccine injuries are very well documented - even quite rare ones. For example , you can easily look up the very low incidence of central venous thrombosis ( a very serious , usually fatal side effect ) with the J&J vaccine . It was between 1- 11 cases per million doses - and the vaccine was withdrawn . The vaccine withdrawal was a loss to the world as it was scaled up to be delivered around the world at about $3 per dose . In addition , it did not have stringent storage or handling requirements . Many more lives could have been helped - yet officials did soberly decide , even in the teeth of the pandemic , to withdraw the product. In addition , we figured out the precise molecular mechanism . We know the vaccine induced platelet activating antibodies to PF 4 . This was an incredible international achievement for scientists - and good for public health .

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RoseyT's avatar

Bingo

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Omar Locke's avatar

Face the deluge.

It wasn't "us" that declared war on people that wanted to wait to take a medical product. All many of us did was ask questions. We were mocked, ridiculed, and deplatformed. many lost jobs, and there was irreparable harm done to our careers. I won't ever forgive what was done to me. You people took my hope away. Fair enough.

Vaccines cannot have liability protection and there can be no vaccine mandates or requirements in any setting.

That is where you are going.

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Jodda's avatar

As always, thank you so much for your service. I used to be an antivaxxer. I hated shots as a child. The nurse and my mom would have to chase me around and hold me down to give me a vaccination. They deserved combat pay. But then I grew the hell up.

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Ma Wilkinson's avatar

I was a child when polo was running rampant, if not for the polio vaccine how many more people would contract it. I was one of the many children who received a polio vaccine as we

received shots to see if the vaccine would working.

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Omar Locke's avatar

polio vaccine didn't and does not prevent polio. and the major source of polio in the world is the polio vaccine. Additionally small pox was not eradicated by vaccines. It was eradicated in spite of the vaccine which killed many people.

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Chris's avatar

Thank you again for another thoughtful post, Dr Offit. Please don’t give up this fight. Keep being a voice of reason in this insanity.

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Sara Prineas's avatar

Scary the number of parents choosing not to vaccinate because of misinformation. Do you recommend that pediatric practices refuse to treat patients who don’t vaccinate?

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BillyJoe's avatar

That should be a "no go" zone.

Medical practitioners must treat EVERYONE without fear or favour.

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

Parents of choosing not to vaccinate because they distrust medical providers and the medical establishment. We should keep this context in mind. There is too much gaslighting of vaccine injury.

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BillyJoe's avatar

Ah, let me correct this trash:

A small minority of parents do not vaccinate their children putting them at risk of harm and death from vaccine preventable infectious diseases because grifting antivax quacks, cranks, and charlatans grifting for fame and fortune on social media have gaslighted them into believing their lies about vaccinations and vaccination preventable infectious diseases.

THIS SILLY DUDE WOULD A LAUGH A MINUTE IF HE WASN'T A CHILD KILLER.

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Jack Hanson's avatar

Giving infectious diseases a break is exactly what RFK Jr. and company are doing, a break from being thwarted by vaccines. I’d like to give them all a permanent break from government service!

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stuart burstin's avatar

The Orwellian “Ministry of Truth “ tactic of lie=fact for vaccines, like the erasure of any depiction of slavery is part of the reinvention of reality that the regime is using. They are doing it in the sunlight without it have a disinfectant effect.

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

Note the "Ministry of Truth" in medicine has been denying and gaslighting vaccine injury for a long time now.

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stuart burstin's avatar

And there have been defenders. Jefferson wrote Jenner that his work would lead to the eradication of Small Pox. It seems Mr. Jefferson understood medical science better than Mr. RFK Jr. It demonstrates the direction this regime is taking the country.

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

But did Jefferson or Jenner understand vaccine injury? The iatrogenic deaths appear to have been omitted from the medical history in the human need to claim "victory for science." The omission of the cost leads to perverse science.

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stuart burstin's avatar

You are correct, they did not. They observed the massive loss of life from the disease, and compared that to the decreased fatalities from vaccination, which was avast improvement over the prior methods of inoculation. With more study side effects were noted and now vaccines are very carefully evaluated for efficacy and safety. None are approved without overwhelming evidence of benefit over risk. But some prefer to put people’s health at risk, due to inadequate understanding of the already vigorous evaluation of vaccines. There is no more smallpox, due exclusively to vaccination in the world. And that was with a vaccine developed without careful study before viruses were even identified. There is no omission of safety studies now. The perversity is on the side of those who are not willing to learn how vaccines are studied and ignore the benefits.

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Edward's avatar

That account goes all in for conspiracies.

https://substack.com/@unrestrainedinquiry/reads

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Cami Ryan, PhD's avatar

“Modest” = trivial. One child dying is one too many when it is preventable.

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

I think the main concern here is whether we are harming children by giving them too many vaccines. On this regard, public health has failed to do the proper due diligence.

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Cami Ryan, PhD's avatar

The “main concern” here is and always will be the unnecessary, preventable death of a child.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Why do you keep lying, non-scientist?

Go crunch some numbers, this is not something you have any expertise in. Your opinion on how many vaccines a child receives has nothing to do with evidence and is only in your brain, since you think autism is caused by vaccines.

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BillyJoe's avatar

THIS IS CALLED "SHIFTING THE GOALPOSTS"

First it was the MMR vaccine.

Then it was the mercury (not present in the MMR vaccine)

Then it was the aluminium in vaccines (also not in the MMR vaccine)

Then it was to many vaccines too soon.

LEARN SOME HISTORY AND LEARN HOW STUPID YOU ARE.

The total number of antigens in the vaccination schedule: less than 200.

The number of antigens a child deals with every day from the environment: 3000.

LEARN SOME SCIENCE.

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Jan Kriebs's avatar

An almost Swiftian "Modest Proposal".

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

Malone is a scumbag's scumbag as is anyone here defending this fake doctor Malone who has never cared for patients.

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Bobby's Worm's avatar

His wife "earned" her PhD from a bankrupt online diploma mill.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Institute_%26_University?wprov=sfla1

She was his highschool sweetheart, per Wikipedia. Fraudsters in love.

Here's a saccharine tribute to "Dr. Jill"

https://lillyics.substack.com/p/who-is-jill-glasspool-malone

Check out her fellow heroes there - and also "President Trump; A Tribute to Truth .."

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Elizabeth's avatar

One thing I learned working in healthcare for 40 years is that every death matters. The people designing this new faux health department have abandoned the concept of public health with no explanation other than which % of preventable deaths is deemed (by them) acceptable. This includes our children. Prior to this administration healthcare care preventable deaths in the US were higher than other modernized countries. Why? Because of preventable errors. Not even related to contagious disease epidemics. Just preventable mistakes. That alone was a signal that public health was not a national priority compared to other countries. Now death from contagious diseases are dismissed as an “acceptable” percentage. Vaccines are no longer a priority. The government agencies that tracked and monitored disease statistics are gone as far as I can tell. We should be asking why. Will we be able to trust the answers under the current administration that has turned our healthcare system upside down? Who wants to be a statistic in this diminished healthcare system run by people who have abandoned known scientific evidence? We need to look to other countries to see how far the US healthcare industry has collapsed so far. Without aggressive change it will continue to collapse. Who will we turn to for accurate information?

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annapolis73's avatar

The collapse of VAERS did not begin with this administration. It is not partisan. Vaccine injuries are real and widespread. Justice for the injured is non-existent.

You cannot find what you are not looking for.

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Bobby's Worm's avatar

What is "the collapse of AERS?"

You've already demonstrated that you lie prolifically, poorly and cluelessly, with your lawsuit stories. And boasting how your NY-area ambulance chasers are preeminent mass-tort warriors.

How does your clown makeup hold up in this heat?

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Anubis's avatar

Are you and Josh blow buddies?

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BillyJoe's avatar

annapoLIES lies:

"The collapse of VAERS"

VAERS is working as designed.

It was intended to be an EARLY WARNING SYSTEM of an adverse EVENT after a vaccination that may or may not be an adverse EFFECT of the vaccination. There are other systems that were designed to verify whether that adverse EVENT was an adverse EFFECT of the vaccination. During the pandemic, VAERS - and similar systems around the world - picked by the early warning of clotting after the viral vector vaccines and the early warning of myocarditis after the mRNA vaccines, and within weeks those adverse events were verified as adverse effects of those vaccinations

VAERS is working as designed.

The verification systems are working as designed

"Vaccine injuries are real"

Yes, they are real and that's what the VACCINE COURT is for. To sort out the real vaccine injuries from conditions not caused by the vaccinations. And to ensure the supply of vaccines for those wanting to save their children from harm and death from vaccine preventable diseases. And to prevent wealthy ambulance chasing lawyers ripping off a large percentage of the outrageous payouts that were able to be accessed by only those able to litigate leaving the vast majority of the vaccine injured uncompensated.

The VACCINE COURT is working as designed

"and widespread"

No. What we have here is gaslighting by lying antivaxxers telling parents that their children have vaccine injuries when they don't and which they caused by getting their children vaccinated. How must more despicable can you get than that?

There is a list of scientifically verified vaccine injuries that are automatically paid. Apart from that, all a claimant needs to do is come up with a plausible mechanism - even if it has not been scientifically verified - and a plausible timeline. That's it! And all legal fees are paid by the court out of subsidies on each vaccine dose sold paid by the vaccine manufacturers.

IF YOU CANNOT WIN IN THE VACCINE COURT YOU DO NOT HAVE A VACCINE INJURY

"Justice for the injured is non-existent'

IF YOU CANNOT WIN IN THE VACCINE COURT YOU DO NOT HAVE A VACCINE INJURY

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Jay Kanta's avatar

There's that standard lack of evidence for your claims, Annapolis.

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Anonymous Physician's avatar

Clearly YOU never looked for intelligence

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onisillos's avatar

For fanatics there's always a price that's worth paying

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Unrestrained Inquiry's avatar

I'd invite you to consider that the mortality rate from infectious disease is far, far lower than you would think. There is a psychological bias in that we think "graphic deaths" are far more prevalent than they actually are.

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Jay Kanta's avatar

Disgusting way to deny herd immunity.

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BillyJoe's avatar

OWN GOAL!:

"the mortality rate from infectious disease is far, far lower than you would think"

...BECAUSE OF *VACCINATIONS*!

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