Thank you for pointing out that even one child’s death, when it could have been prevented, is a tragedy. My concern is that preventable infectious diseases are going to spike but there will be no “story” because reporting has been dismantled.
The real "epidemic" is the wave of iatrogenic deaths of 150,000-200,000 that happen annually, not the "measles-related" deaths that I can count with my fingers.
""measles-related" deaths that I can count with my fingers."
Why the "scare quotes"?
They are actual measles deaths.
But, yeah, thanks to measles vaccinations, there are only a handful every year instead of 300-500 children dying of measles. But it would be zero if enough parents were not being scared into not vaccinating their children by child killing antivax arseholes like you.
Did it really take you 4 weeks to come up with that non-response?
By definition, genuine adverse effects of vaccinations are iatrogenic. But the adverse effects of vaccinations are well understood. And it is also well understood why some claim to have suffered vaccination adverse effects when they haven't.
No, they aren't. Not even close. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional. There is no standardized theory for how autoimmune disease happens post-vaccination. Even the vaccines-autism question is woefully incomplete such that it is a public health embarrassment (only one vaccine, MMR, has ever been studied for a relationship to autism).
Do you know what % of flue deaths historically are unvaccinated. It is always near 80% so a meaningless number if blaming higher total numbers on vaccination status. Checking demographics you’ll find that people in poverty are more unvaccinated especially children & one could infer health is not as robust for children in poverty stricken homes which can cause them to have worse outcomes & care when they get the flu. I suspect the flu shot has near zero effect. Generally unvaccinated children are healthier than vaccinated. We need more complete info to determine risk benefit by economic status, race, available health care, etc before jumping to conclusions-I believe.
Unvaccinated children healthier number cause the dead ones are not around to get sick. The unvaccinated children are healthier is un true. Thats misinformation. Take the 800 million lives saved by vaccines into account its not true.
I believe there are several. Can you show me a study and not just narrative that this is not true? Look into the king of vaccination-Bill Gates and listen to his Ted Talk about successful vaccination programs REDUCING the population by 15%. Listen to him and others of the World Economic forum talking about their goals to REDUCE the world population to under 3 Billion from over 8 billion. How do you think they are trying to do that? Look into excess deaths by data analysts Steven Kirsch or Edward Dowd-- here is a good place to start:
Read the "Moth and the Iron Lung" by Forest Maready about the time the Polio vaccine was developed. I verified this information BEFORE I read his book. Everything is in plain sight and not complicated at all. However, it is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. My best friends are solid vaccine worshipers so I don't expect someone I don't even know to believe it but give this information just in case someone is cares enough to look into it a bit.
Do you think the reason not one vaccine on the childhood vaccination schedule has a LONG TERM placebo arm because they are so altruistic and don't want poor babies to have to go without there miracle shots?
Your comment is complete b.s. excess deaths are because we now have a new virus that killed over 1 million people in USA. Alone. Add that to the every year flu, rsv, measles now thanks to anti vax morons, car accident deaths, heart disease and cancer because baby boomers are dying, this all increases excess deaths. It's called math. Excess deaths are greatly influenced by birth rates. Hi birth rate in late 1940s. After war. Those births are reaching death age of 87 years or so. When the lower birth rate 2000s meet death age of 87, excess deaths will decrease solely due to population dynamics.
you did not even look at either of the links by professionals doing studies that can be verified and have been verified. It is not possible for any rational person to think of Edward Dowd with anything other that utmost respect--pure data analysis-nothing more, nothing less. There are so many countries with very detailed and documented issues on this topic that you have to run as fast as you can away from being informed on what is happening today all over the world to not know. It just proved my point about it is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. I hope you will think on that vs call me and any one else names who are trying to get people to see what is in the honest data by doctors that don't buy narratives hook line and sinker but think for themselves and seek truth not talking points and safe spaces where money is plentiful. I can't blame anyone for protecting their reputations to protect their incomes but the people I trust have sacrificed their reputations and incomes originally to speak truth because they know the damage being done by corrupt forces in our society.
RFK is despicable and dangerous, but Malone is the highest form of subhuman. Any death from a disease that is either completely vaccine preventable or a vaccine that extremely lessens the chance of severe illness is tragic, but minimizing 250 potentially preventable deaths? Josef Mengele would be proud.
And you are distorting the very small risk of any medical intervention, including vaccines. And I mean any, something as simple as taking aspirin has risk. The overall risk of serious vaccine harm in the Covid vaccine, for example, is something along the lines of .02% if I remember my statistics, and that’s with close to billions of doses given worldwide. Again, as in with any medical intervention, there is a risk benefit ratio and vaccines overwhelmingly have proven to be safe and effective.
Except that the COVID mRNA therapy doesn't benefit healthy people and getting a booster every 6 months exposes the individual to serious harm over and over again. All it takes is for the serum to leak into the blood stream and get into a major organ.
Tell us you know absolutely nothing about immunology, vaccine technology, especially mRNA technology, without telling us. There’s so much pseudoscience in what you said that I’m not sure there’s any hope to educate you. And it’s not my job to do it on this forum, however, if you were my patient, I would be sure to make sure you understood it. Just stop spreading this conspiracy theory and medically erroneous bullshit.
LOOOOL! tell us youre trying to re-write history and "cape" foir the pharmaceutical industry without telling us.
To be clear mrna medical products are DEAD ON ARRIVAL as viable medical products that the vast majority of humanity (read that again) will trust. They are dangerous whether you want to agree with it or not. People believe that. We see that with regard to uptake. YOU can't even force these into people anymore.
The "conspiracy theory" is that mrna vaccines did anything to prevent severe disease, hospitalization, or death.
The debate on this is going nowhere. just accept that vaccines cannot have liability protection and that no one can be mandated or required to consume these shoddily made medical products in any setting.
Shoddily made? Two Nobel Prizes were awarded for this "shoddy" technology which stands as the future of cancer chemotherapy and beyond. Robert Malone continues to bitch to this day that he deserved the Nobel Prize and would accept in a heartbeat. You are an ignorant, unlearned, and unread jamoke who has no understanding of the amazing breakthrough that this technology constitutes - brilliance in complete simplicity. It delivers a direct cellular INSTRUCTION - a roadmap of viral recognition - and then is completely dissipated. It is simply not intended to do anything more. Period. It is not intended to prevent prevent severe disease, hospitalization, or death, blah, blah, blah. It is a pure DELIVERY system of cellular instructions. You need to slink back to wherever you came from and shut up!
okay. let’s see how it works out. if people think this shoddily made product is safe then they won’t mind consuming it. mandating them shouldn’t be much of an issue either…
Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PubMed https://share.google/o4a2O65OgHgpwddWl
Sigh, the predicted cherry picked studied that you think might support your science illiterate view. The problem is, if you read the whole study, it doesn’t. Poor design, limitations, and many other flaws a few of which the authors even admit. And this study has been roundly debunked by the scientific community due to many inaccuracies among other things. Analyzing the full body of scientific literature on a particular topic doesn’t appear to be in your wheelhouse. Done with attempting to engage with you because you truly don’t understand this topic at all.
It's 30 mcg, no way, not possible. It's way too small amount. Look at a tsp in your kitchen. That's 5 grams weight water so divide the tsp into 5 quadrants. Now divide a quadrant into a million more quadrants. Each quadrant is a micrograms. The vaccine contains 30 of those microscopic quadrants.
In 2023 there were 73,000,000 children in the USA. That means with your low SERIOUS adverse events from shots there would be over 14,000 serious adverse events events of which about 20% would be deaths which is about 2,800 deaths & many serious injuries to save the 250 deaths from the flu. That doesn’t seem like a good decision to me. .02% X 73,000,000 = 14,000 +
That does assume every child gets vaccinated which is what you advocate right? That sounds more like child sacrifice for profit to Pharma to me.
Son, we are NOT missing the other side of the coin, the problem is that you are fixated on it. In fact, you are so fixated on it you never see THIS side of the coin - the far more frequent and far more severe complications of the infections that the vaccinations prevent.
Agreed. no one can ever seem to find any vaccine side effects. people are just experiencing them. theyre all just this grand "coincidence". sort of like autism.
It’s what’s sometimes called soft eugenics. Antivaxxers aren’t actively killing anyone, but they believe that anyone who dies of a disease like the flu or measles must have something wrong with them. They’re therefore perfectly fine with letting nature do the culling for them. That’s why they react to children dying of the flu or measles with a shrug, rather than dismay, outrage, and a desire to prevent further deaths.
Before you talk of "soft eugenics" I'd like for you to justify the infectious disease mortality rate you are citing. There is a tendency for public health and vaccine promoters to highlight "graphic, individual cases" but overlook the fact that overall risk is incredibly low. Is it medically ethical to get the public to fear cases which are statistically improbable for them?
Vaccine-alarmists highlight "graphic, individual cases," or just FABRICATE AND LIE, but overlook the fact that overall risks with commonly administered vaccines are negligibly low.
Now that these buffoons have louder platforms to spread conspiracy theories and anti-vaccine propaganda, the trickle-down effect won’t be a trickle at all—it’ll be a flood. And it’s going to hit hard. We’ll see more preventable illness and hospitalizations, right as people are losing health insurance and hospitals are closing, thanks to the disastrous “Big Ugly Bill.” It’s a perfect storm of incompetence, cruelty, and chaos.
In my view, even one vaccine-preventable death is too many. But if we continue down this path, we’re going to be forced to accept a lot more.
I believe we are in for a few decades of this antivax effect . It has been smoldering in so many forms for so long . We are in for a long night with it . Folks just see so little of the very real catastrophe of infectious disease because vaccines are so successful. But we gonna see more soon …
A few decades!? There was a "before covid" and then there's now. What you people supported will never be forgiven. Not ever. We've got video, books, and people will study this moving forward.
Actually, it's a permanent dialectical shift in public health. Medical culture has grown elitist and toxic with its gaslighting of vaccine injury. The public is demanding equal footing and shared-decision making. It's time for something new.
I will let him explain what he thinks he means but, in the meantime, let me point out how foolish you would have to be to think that a member of the public with virtually no science literacy should have EQUAL STANDING with actual experts with all their accumulated knowledge and decades' worth of practical experience.
There is not gaslighting about vaccine injury . Vaccine injuries are very well documented - even quite rare ones. For example , you can easily look up the very low incidence of central venous thrombosis ( a very serious , usually fatal side effect ) with the J&J vaccine . It was between 1- 11 cases per million doses - and the vaccine was withdrawn . The vaccine withdrawal was a loss to the world as it was scaled up to be delivered around the world at about $3 per dose . In addition , it did not have stringent storage or handling requirements . Many more lives could have been helped - yet officials did soberly decide , even in the teeth of the pandemic , to withdraw the product. In addition , we figured out the precise molecular mechanism . We know the vaccine induced platelet activating antibodies to PF 4 . This was an incredible international achievement for scientists - and good for public health .
It wasn't "us" that declared war on people that wanted to wait to take a medical product. All many of us did was ask questions. We were mocked, ridiculed, and deplatformed. many lost jobs, and there was irreparable harm done to our careers. I won't ever forgive what was done to me. You people took my hope away. Fair enough.
Vaccines cannot have liability protection and there can be no vaccine mandates or requirements in any setting.
As always, thank you so much for your service. I used to be an antivaxxer. I hated shots as a child. The nurse and my mom would have to chase me around and hold me down to give me a vaccination. They deserved combat pay. But then I grew the hell up.
I was a child when polo was running rampant, if not for the polio vaccine how many more people would contract it. I was one of the many children who received a polio vaccine as we
received shots to see if the vaccine would working.
polio vaccine didn't and does not prevent polio. and the major source of polio in the world is the polio vaccine. Additionally small pox was not eradicated by vaccines. It was eradicated in spite of the vaccine which killed many people.
Scary the number of parents choosing not to vaccinate because of misinformation. Do you recommend that pediatric practices refuse to treat patients who don’t vaccinate?
Parents of choosing not to vaccinate because they distrust medical providers and the medical establishment. We should keep this context in mind. There is too much gaslighting of vaccine injury.
A small minority of parents do not vaccinate their children putting them at risk of harm and death from vaccine preventable infectious diseases because grifting antivax quacks, cranks, and charlatans grifting for fame and fortune on social media have gaslighted them into believing their lies about vaccinations and vaccination preventable infectious diseases.
THIS SILLY DUDE WOULD A LAUGH A MINUTE IF HE WASN'T A CHILD KILLER.
Giving infectious diseases a break is exactly what RFK Jr. and company are doing, a break from being thwarted by vaccines. I’d like to give them all a permanent break from government service!
The Orwellian “Ministry of Truth “ tactic of lie=fact for vaccines, like the erasure of any depiction of slavery is part of the reinvention of reality that the regime is using. They are doing it in the sunlight without it have a disinfectant effect.
And there have been defenders. Jefferson wrote Jenner that his work would lead to the eradication of Small Pox. It seems Mr. Jefferson understood medical science better than Mr. RFK Jr. It demonstrates the direction this regime is taking the country.
But did Jefferson or Jenner understand vaccine injury? The iatrogenic deaths appear to have been omitted from the medical history in the human need to claim "victory for science." The omission of the cost leads to perverse science.
You are correct, they did not. They observed the massive loss of life from the disease, and compared that to the decreased fatalities from vaccination, which was avast improvement over the prior methods of inoculation. With more study side effects were noted and now vaccines are very carefully evaluated for efficacy and safety. None are approved without overwhelming evidence of benefit over risk. But some prefer to put people’s health at risk, due to inadequate understanding of the already vigorous evaluation of vaccines. There is no more smallpox, due exclusively to vaccination in the world. And that was with a vaccine developed without careful study before viruses were even identified. There is no omission of safety studies now. The perversity is on the side of those who are not willing to learn how vaccines are studied and ignore the benefits.
I think the main concern here is whether we are harming children by giving them too many vaccines. On this regard, public health has failed to do the proper due diligence.
Go crunch some numbers, this is not something you have any expertise in. Your opinion on how many vaccines a child receives has nothing to do with evidence and is only in your brain, since you think autism is caused by vaccines.
One thing I learned working in healthcare for 40 years is that every death matters. The people designing this new faux health department have abandoned the concept of public health with no explanation other than which % of preventable deaths is deemed (by them) acceptable. This includes our children. Prior to this administration healthcare care preventable deaths in the US were higher than other modernized countries. Why? Because of preventable errors. Not even related to contagious disease epidemics. Just preventable mistakes. That alone was a signal that public health was not a national priority compared to other countries. Now death from contagious diseases are dismissed as an “acceptable” percentage. Vaccines are no longer a priority. The government agencies that tracked and monitored disease statistics are gone as far as I can tell. We should be asking why. Will we be able to trust the answers under the current administration that has turned our healthcare system upside down? Who wants to be a statistic in this diminished healthcare system run by people who have abandoned known scientific evidence? We need to look to other countries to see how far the US healthcare industry has collapsed so far. Without aggressive change it will continue to collapse. Who will we turn to for accurate information?
The collapse of VAERS did not begin with this administration. It is not partisan. Vaccine injuries are real and widespread. Justice for the injured is non-existent.
You've already demonstrated that you lie prolifically, poorly and cluelessly, with your lawsuit stories. And boasting how your NY-area ambulance chasers are preeminent mass-tort warriors.
It was intended to be an EARLY WARNING SYSTEM of an adverse EVENT after a vaccination that may or may not be an adverse EFFECT of the vaccination. There are other systems that were designed to verify whether that adverse EVENT was an adverse EFFECT of the vaccination. During the pandemic, VAERS - and similar systems around the world - picked by the early warning of clotting after the viral vector vaccines and the early warning of myocarditis after the mRNA vaccines, and within weeks those adverse events were verified as adverse effects of those vaccinations
VAERS is working as designed.
The verification systems are working as designed
"Vaccine injuries are real"
Yes, they are real and that's what the VACCINE COURT is for. To sort out the real vaccine injuries from conditions not caused by the vaccinations. And to ensure the supply of vaccines for those wanting to save their children from harm and death from vaccine preventable diseases. And to prevent wealthy ambulance chasing lawyers ripping off a large percentage of the outrageous payouts that were able to be accessed by only those able to litigate leaving the vast majority of the vaccine injured uncompensated.
The VACCINE COURT is working as designed
"and widespread"
No. What we have here is gaslighting by lying antivaxxers telling parents that their children have vaccine injuries when they don't and which they caused by getting their children vaccinated. How must more despicable can you get than that?
There is a list of scientifically verified vaccine injuries that are automatically paid. Apart from that, all a claimant needs to do is come up with a plausible mechanism - even if it has not been scientifically verified - and a plausible timeline. That's it! And all legal fees are paid by the court out of subsidies on each vaccine dose sold paid by the vaccine manufacturers.
IF YOU CANNOT WIN IN THE VACCINE COURT YOU DO NOT HAVE A VACCINE INJURY
"Justice for the injured is non-existent'
IF YOU CANNOT WIN IN THE VACCINE COURT YOU DO NOT HAVE A VACCINE INJURY
I'd invite you to consider that the mortality rate from infectious disease is far, far lower than you would think. There is a psychological bias in that we think "graphic deaths" are far more prevalent than they actually are.
"Dr. Vinay Prasad 'did not want to be a distraction' and was stepping down from his role as the FDA’s top vaccine regulator “to spend more time with his family,” a spokesperson for the HHS aid in a statement late Tuesday.
That cocky attention whore lives to be the distraction.
- opposed government efforts to curb the spread of COVID-19.
- demanded an obligatory RCT before any measure was introduced to limit COVID-19 deaths.
- rejected the necessity for those obligatory RCTs once in power.
- exaggerated and lied about the harms of mitigation measures.
- said mitigations were akin to NAZI authoritarianism.
- minimised or dismissed the frequent and severe complications of the infection.
- exaggerated the frequency and severity of the adverse effects of the vaccinations.
- minimised the effectiveness of the vaccinations.
- promoted antivax liar, RFK junior, during the 2024 presidential election.
- overruled FDA experts to issue narrower approvals for COVID vaccines.
But, despite his dreadful performance during the pandemic, Prasad was actually a brake on right-wing extremism over vaccines and other biologic products, and it was the lunatic right-wing conspiracy nutjobs who got him to resign.
We wait with bated breath at his replacement, especially if the replacement placates the conspiracy nutjobs like Laura Loomer.
Thank you for pointing out that even one child’s death, when it could have been prevented, is a tragedy. My concern is that preventable infectious diseases are going to spike but there will be no “story” because reporting has been dismantled.
The real "epidemic" is the wave of iatrogenic deaths of 150,000-200,000 that happen annually, not the "measles-related" deaths that I can count with my fingers.
What a f8cking loser. That's such a stupid comment.
Yeah context, son, and nothing to do with vaccinations.
Nice try at diverting away from your flailing and failing argument.
It has everything to do with vaccinations. Vaccine injury is poorly measured and understood. It is a form of iatrogenic injury.
""measles-related" deaths that I can count with my fingers."
Why the "scare quotes"?
They are actual measles deaths.
But, yeah, thanks to measles vaccinations, there are only a handful every year instead of 300-500 children dying of measles. But it would be zero if enough parents were not being scared into not vaccinating their children by child killing antivax arseholes like you.
Interestingly enough, the number of measles deaths now is about the same level as the number of children that die from the measles vaccine itself.
CORRECTION OF THE ANTIVAX LIES:
1) There have been no measles vaccine related deaths for years in the US. They are extremely rare.
2) Without the measles vaccine, there would be 300-500 deaths from measles every year.
THIS FV<KING IDIOT DOES NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THAT THE LOW LEVEL OF DEATHS FROM MEASLES INFECTION IS THE RESULT OF *VACCINATIONS*
Did it really take you 4 weeks to come up with that non-response?
By definition, genuine adverse effects of vaccinations are iatrogenic. But the adverse effects of vaccinations are well understood. And it is also well understood why some claim to have suffered vaccination adverse effects when they haven't.
No, they aren't. Not even close. Anyone who says otherwise is delusional. There is no standardized theory for how autoimmune disease happens post-vaccination. Even the vaccines-autism question is woefully incomplete such that it is a public health embarrassment (only one vaccine, MMR, has ever been studied for a relationship to autism).
CORRECTION OF THE ANTIVAX LIES:
1) Vaccinations do NOT cause autoimmune disease.
2) Vaccinations do NOT cause autism.
Autism has been studied in relation to MMR, DTaP, Hepatitis B, Polio, Hib, Varicella, Pneumococcal and Influenza vaccines.
YOU ARE A FV<KING LIAR!
Do you know what % of flue deaths historically are unvaccinated. It is always near 80% so a meaningless number if blaming higher total numbers on vaccination status. Checking demographics you’ll find that people in poverty are more unvaccinated especially children & one could infer health is not as robust for children in poverty stricken homes which can cause them to have worse outcomes & care when they get the flu. I suspect the flu shot has near zero effect. Generally unvaccinated children are healthier than vaccinated. We need more complete info to determine risk benefit by economic status, race, available health care, etc before jumping to conclusions-I believe.
Unvaccinated children healthier number cause the dead ones are not around to get sick. The unvaccinated children are healthier is un true. Thats misinformation. Take the 800 million lives saved by vaccines into account its not true.
Here is just one study. https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7268563/
I believe there are several. Can you show me a study and not just narrative that this is not true? Look into the king of vaccination-Bill Gates and listen to his Ted Talk about successful vaccination programs REDUCING the population by 15%. Listen to him and others of the World Economic forum talking about their goals to REDUCE the world population to under 3 Billion from over 8 billion. How do you think they are trying to do that? Look into excess deaths by data analysts Steven Kirsch or Edward Dowd-- here is a good place to start:
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/edward-dowd-drops-bombshell-5000
Read the "Moth and the Iron Lung" by Forest Maready about the time the Polio vaccine was developed. I verified this information BEFORE I read his book. Everything is in plain sight and not complicated at all. However, it is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled. My best friends are solid vaccine worshipers so I don't expect someone I don't even know to believe it but give this information just in case someone is cares enough to look into it a bit.
Do you think the reason not one vaccine on the childhood vaccination schedule has a LONG TERM placebo arm because they are so altruistic and don't want poor babies to have to go without there miracle shots?
Your comment is complete b.s. excess deaths are because we now have a new virus that killed over 1 million people in USA. Alone. Add that to the every year flu, rsv, measles now thanks to anti vax morons, car accident deaths, heart disease and cancer because baby boomers are dying, this all increases excess deaths. It's called math. Excess deaths are greatly influenced by birth rates. Hi birth rate in late 1940s. After war. Those births are reaching death age of 87 years or so. When the lower birth rate 2000s meet death age of 87, excess deaths will decrease solely due to population dynamics.
you did not even look at either of the links by professionals doing studies that can be verified and have been verified. It is not possible for any rational person to think of Edward Dowd with anything other that utmost respect--pure data analysis-nothing more, nothing less. There are so many countries with very detailed and documented issues on this topic that you have to run as fast as you can away from being informed on what is happening today all over the world to not know. It just proved my point about it is easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. I hope you will think on that vs call me and any one else names who are trying to get people to see what is in the honest data by doctors that don't buy narratives hook line and sinker but think for themselves and seek truth not talking points and safe spaces where money is plentiful. I can't blame anyone for protecting their reputations to protect their incomes but the people I trust have sacrificed their reputations and incomes originally to speak truth because they know the damage being done by corrupt forces in our society.
The links are sketchy Comrade
RFK is despicable and dangerous, but Malone is the highest form of subhuman. Any death from a disease that is either completely vaccine preventable or a vaccine that extremely lessens the chance of severe illness is tragic, but minimizing 250 potentially preventable deaths? Josef Mengele would be proud.
And you are distorting the very small risk of any medical intervention, including vaccines. And I mean any, something as simple as taking aspirin has risk. The overall risk of serious vaccine harm in the Covid vaccine, for example, is something along the lines of .02% if I remember my statistics, and that’s with close to billions of doses given worldwide. Again, as in with any medical intervention, there is a risk benefit ratio and vaccines overwhelmingly have proven to be safe and effective.
Except that the COVID mRNA therapy doesn't benefit healthy people and getting a booster every 6 months exposes the individual to serious harm over and over again. All it takes is for the serum to leak into the blood stream and get into a major organ.
Tell us you know absolutely nothing about immunology, vaccine technology, especially mRNA technology, without telling us. There’s so much pseudoscience in what you said that I’m not sure there’s any hope to educate you. And it’s not my job to do it on this forum, however, if you were my patient, I would be sure to make sure you understood it. Just stop spreading this conspiracy theory and medically erroneous bullshit.
LOOOOL! tell us youre trying to re-write history and "cape" foir the pharmaceutical industry without telling us.
To be clear mrna medical products are DEAD ON ARRIVAL as viable medical products that the vast majority of humanity (read that again) will trust. They are dangerous whether you want to agree with it or not. People believe that. We see that with regard to uptake. YOU can't even force these into people anymore.
The "conspiracy theory" is that mrna vaccines did anything to prevent severe disease, hospitalization, or death.
The debate on this is going nowhere. just accept that vaccines cannot have liability protection and that no one can be mandated or required to consume these shoddily made medical products in any setting.
Shoddily made? Two Nobel Prizes were awarded for this "shoddy" technology which stands as the future of cancer chemotherapy and beyond. Robert Malone continues to bitch to this day that he deserved the Nobel Prize and would accept in a heartbeat. You are an ignorant, unlearned, and unread jamoke who has no understanding of the amazing breakthrough that this technology constitutes - brilliance in complete simplicity. It delivers a direct cellular INSTRUCTION - a roadmap of viral recognition - and then is completely dissipated. It is simply not intended to do anything more. Period. It is not intended to prevent prevent severe disease, hospitalization, or death, blah, blah, blah. It is a pure DELIVERY system of cellular instructions. You need to slink back to wherever you came from and shut up!
okay. let’s see how it works out. if people think this shoddily made product is safe then they won’t mind consuming it. mandating them shouldn’t be much of an issue either…
LOOOOOOOOL!😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Serious adverse events of special interest following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination in randomized trials in adults - PubMed https://share.google/o4a2O65OgHgpwddWl
Sigh, the predicted cherry picked studied that you think might support your science illiterate view. The problem is, if you read the whole study, it doesn’t. Poor design, limitations, and many other flaws a few of which the authors even admit. And this study has been roundly debunked by the scientific community due to many inaccuracies among other things. Analyzing the full body of scientific literature on a particular topic doesn’t appear to be in your wheelhouse. Done with attempting to engage with you because you truly don’t understand this topic at all.
Just keep digging that hole.
Post RNA-based COVID vaccines myocarditis: Proposed mechanisms - PMC https://share.google/XHvIK1Uo82Ue9uoqh
It's 30 mcg, no way, not possible. It's way too small amount. Look at a tsp in your kitchen. That's 5 grams weight water so divide the tsp into 5 quadrants. Now divide a quadrant into a million more quadrants. Each quadrant is a micrograms. The vaccine contains 30 of those microscopic quadrants.
No serious harm.. sorry that's bs. A sore arm is not serious
Propaganda is extremely effective on you, isn't it?
In 2023 there were 73,000,000 children in the USA. That means with your low SERIOUS adverse events from shots there would be over 14,000 serious adverse events events of which about 20% would be deaths which is about 2,800 deaths & many serious injuries to save the 250 deaths from the flu. That doesn’t seem like a good decision to me. .02% X 73,000,000 = 14,000 +
That does assume every child gets vaccinated which is what you advocate right? That sounds more like child sacrifice for profit to Pharma to me.
Not 73 million children in USA unless a 20 year old is a child. Nice try
But you are missing the other end of the coin here. The problem is vaccine injury, and suffering driven by over-vaccination.
Son, we are NOT missing the other side of the coin, the problem is that you are fixated on it. In fact, you are so fixated on it you never see THIS side of the coin - the far more frequent and far more severe complications of the infections that the vaccinations prevent.
"The problem is vaccine injury, and suffering driven by over-vaccination."
Of which you have NO EVIDENCE. STFU.
Agreed. no one can ever seem to find any vaccine side effects. people are just experiencing them. theyre all just this grand "coincidence". sort of like autism.
It all "just happens". like magic...
"over-vaccination"
The total antigen exposure from vaccinations in the childhood schedule: <200.
The antigen exposure from the environment every single day: 3000.
YOU ARE AN UNEDUCATED FOOL.
It’s what’s sometimes called soft eugenics. Antivaxxers aren’t actively killing anyone, but they believe that anyone who dies of a disease like the flu or measles must have something wrong with them. They’re therefore perfectly fine with letting nature do the culling for them. That’s why they react to children dying of the flu or measles with a shrug, rather than dismay, outrage, and a desire to prevent further deaths.
Before you talk of "soft eugenics" I'd like for you to justify the infectious disease mortality rate you are citing. There is a tendency for public health and vaccine promoters to highlight "graphic, individual cases" but overlook the fact that overall risk is incredibly low. Is it medically ethical to get the public to fear cases which are statistically improbable for them?
Vaccine-alarmists highlight "graphic, individual cases," or just FABRICATE AND LIE, but overlook the fact that overall risks with commonly administered vaccines are negligibly low.
You invert reality.
MORE DECEITFUL TACTICS FROM THIS ANTIVAXXER:
"I'd like for you to justify the infectious disease mortality rate you are citing"
You are the most obviously stupid antivax liar we have ever seen in this commentary section - well, apart from all the others!
Everyone can read what David Gorski wrote and that he did not cite any infectious disease mortality rates whatsoever!
You did the same to me on at least two occasions, claiming I said things I never said.
Why do you think you can get away with blatant lies and misrepresentations?
THIS IS A SCIENCE-BASED BLOG!
You can get away with this on antivaxxer sites because the readers are even more ignorant and gullible than you are, but not here.
Herd immunity is too difficult for you to understand, obviously.
There is much more to Malone than vaccine misinformation. Fact checking his CV using A.I. reveals a consistent pattern of significant embellishment:
https://exposed.substack.com/p/dr-robert-malones-tenure-at-alchem?r=zrmcb
https://exposed.substack.com/p/did-robert-malone-graduate-from-harvard?r=zrmcb
https://exposed.substack.com/p/robert-malones-faculty-appointment?r=zrmcb
https://open.substack.com/pub/exposed/p/proof-robert-malone-did-not-invent?r=zrmcb&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
https://open.substack.com/pub/exposed/p/dr-robert-malones-tenure-at-atheric?r=zrmcb&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web&showWelcomeOnShare=false
He's a(nother) brazen liar, and the cultists gobble up his shit.
Now that these buffoons have louder platforms to spread conspiracy theories and anti-vaccine propaganda, the trickle-down effect won’t be a trickle at all—it’ll be a flood. And it’s going to hit hard. We’ll see more preventable illness and hospitalizations, right as people are losing health insurance and hospitals are closing, thanks to the disastrous “Big Ugly Bill.” It’s a perfect storm of incompetence, cruelty, and chaos.
In my view, even one vaccine-preventable death is too many. But if we continue down this path, we’re going to be forced to accept a lot more.
I believe we are in for a few decades of this antivax effect . It has been smoldering in so many forms for so long . We are in for a long night with it . Folks just see so little of the very real catastrophe of infectious disease because vaccines are so successful. But we gonna see more soon …
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A few decades!? There was a "before covid" and then there's now. What you people supported will never be forgiven. Not ever. We've got video, books, and people will study this moving forward.
Actually, it's a permanent dialectical shift in public health. Medical culture has grown elitist and toxic with its gaslighting of vaccine injury. The public is demanding equal footing and shared-decision making. It's time for something new.
Oooooh....DIALECTICAL!
This dude MUST be correct. He uses BIG words.
I will let him explain what he thinks he means but, in the meantime, let me point out how foolish you would have to be to think that a member of the public with virtually no science literacy should have EQUAL STANDING with actual experts with all their accumulated knowledge and decades' worth of practical experience.
Here is another big word: LUDICROUS.
Do you understand that son?
LOOOOL! your anger won't change reality, pal.
GRANDMA LOCKE IS A DISGUSTING ANTIVAX LIAR.
Most recently, he abused Dr. Stanley Plotkin by implying he is antivax!
But here are some direct quotes from Dr. Stanley Plotkin on vaccinations:
Dr. Stanley Plotkin's recurring theme in his interviews and lectures, emphasizing the life-saving impact of vaccinations:
“Vaccines are the most powerful tool we have to prevent disease and death.”
Dr. Stanley Plotkin quoted in a 2024 issue of "Vaccines Beat", reflecting his advocacy for worldwide access to vaccines:
“Immunization is a global health and development success story, saving millions of lives every year.”
Dr. Stanley Plotkin's central argument in discussions about the safety of vaccinations:
“The risks of vaccines are minuscule compared to the risks of the diseases they prevent.”
GRANDMA LOCKE IS A DISGUSTING ANTIVAX LIAR
There is not gaslighting about vaccine injury . Vaccine injuries are very well documented - even quite rare ones. For example , you can easily look up the very low incidence of central venous thrombosis ( a very serious , usually fatal side effect ) with the J&J vaccine . It was between 1- 11 cases per million doses - and the vaccine was withdrawn . The vaccine withdrawal was a loss to the world as it was scaled up to be delivered around the world at about $3 per dose . In addition , it did not have stringent storage or handling requirements . Many more lives could have been helped - yet officials did soberly decide , even in the teeth of the pandemic , to withdraw the product. In addition , we figured out the precise molecular mechanism . We know the vaccine induced platelet activating antibodies to PF 4 . This was an incredible international achievement for scientists - and good for public health .
Bingo
Face the deluge.
It wasn't "us" that declared war on people that wanted to wait to take a medical product. All many of us did was ask questions. We were mocked, ridiculed, and deplatformed. many lost jobs, and there was irreparable harm done to our careers. I won't ever forgive what was done to me. You people took my hope away. Fair enough.
Vaccines cannot have liability protection and there can be no vaccine mandates or requirements in any setting.
That is where you are going.
As always, thank you so much for your service. I used to be an antivaxxer. I hated shots as a child. The nurse and my mom would have to chase me around and hold me down to give me a vaccination. They deserved combat pay. But then I grew the hell up.
I was a child when polo was running rampant, if not for the polio vaccine how many more people would contract it. I was one of the many children who received a polio vaccine as we
received shots to see if the vaccine would working.
polio vaccine didn't and does not prevent polio. and the major source of polio in the world is the polio vaccine. Additionally small pox was not eradicated by vaccines. It was eradicated in spite of the vaccine which killed many people.
Thank you again for another thoughtful post, Dr Offit. Please don’t give up this fight. Keep being a voice of reason in this insanity.
Scary the number of parents choosing not to vaccinate because of misinformation. Do you recommend that pediatric practices refuse to treat patients who don’t vaccinate?
That should be a "no go" zone.
Medical practitioners must treat EVERYONE without fear or favour.
Parents of choosing not to vaccinate because they distrust medical providers and the medical establishment. We should keep this context in mind. There is too much gaslighting of vaccine injury.
Ah, let me correct this trash:
A small minority of parents do not vaccinate their children putting them at risk of harm and death from vaccine preventable infectious diseases because grifting antivax quacks, cranks, and charlatans grifting for fame and fortune on social media have gaslighted them into believing their lies about vaccinations and vaccination preventable infectious diseases.
THIS SILLY DUDE WOULD A LAUGH A MINUTE IF HE WASN'T A CHILD KILLER.
Giving infectious diseases a break is exactly what RFK Jr. and company are doing, a break from being thwarted by vaccines. I’d like to give them all a permanent break from government service!
The Orwellian “Ministry of Truth “ tactic of lie=fact for vaccines, like the erasure of any depiction of slavery is part of the reinvention of reality that the regime is using. They are doing it in the sunlight without it have a disinfectant effect.
Note the "Ministry of Truth" in medicine has been denying and gaslighting vaccine injury for a long time now.
And there have been defenders. Jefferson wrote Jenner that his work would lead to the eradication of Small Pox. It seems Mr. Jefferson understood medical science better than Mr. RFK Jr. It demonstrates the direction this regime is taking the country.
But did Jefferson or Jenner understand vaccine injury? The iatrogenic deaths appear to have been omitted from the medical history in the human need to claim "victory for science." The omission of the cost leads to perverse science.
You are correct, they did not. They observed the massive loss of life from the disease, and compared that to the decreased fatalities from vaccination, which was avast improvement over the prior methods of inoculation. With more study side effects were noted and now vaccines are very carefully evaluated for efficacy and safety. None are approved without overwhelming evidence of benefit over risk. But some prefer to put people’s health at risk, due to inadequate understanding of the already vigorous evaluation of vaccines. There is no more smallpox, due exclusively to vaccination in the world. And that was with a vaccine developed without careful study before viruses were even identified. There is no omission of safety studies now. The perversity is on the side of those who are not willing to learn how vaccines are studied and ignore the benefits.
“Modest” = trivial. One child dying is one too many when it is preventable.
I think the main concern here is whether we are harming children by giving them too many vaccines. On this regard, public health has failed to do the proper due diligence.
The “main concern” here is and always will be the unnecessary, preventable death of a child.
Why do you keep lying, non-scientist?
Go crunch some numbers, this is not something you have any expertise in. Your opinion on how many vaccines a child receives has nothing to do with evidence and is only in your brain, since you think autism is caused by vaccines.
THIS IS CALLED "SHIFTING THE GOALPOSTS"
First it was the MMR vaccine.
Then it was the mercury (not present in the MMR vaccine)
Then it was the aluminium in vaccines (also not in the MMR vaccine)
Then it was to many vaccines too soon.
LEARN SOME HISTORY AND LEARN HOW STUPID YOU ARE.
The total number of antigens in the vaccination schedule: less than 200.
The number of antigens a child deals with every day from the environment: 3000.
LEARN SOME SCIENCE.
An almost Swiftian "Modest Proposal".
One thing I learned working in healthcare for 40 years is that every death matters. The people designing this new faux health department have abandoned the concept of public health with no explanation other than which % of preventable deaths is deemed (by them) acceptable. This includes our children. Prior to this administration healthcare care preventable deaths in the US were higher than other modernized countries. Why? Because of preventable errors. Not even related to contagious disease epidemics. Just preventable mistakes. That alone was a signal that public health was not a national priority compared to other countries. Now death from contagious diseases are dismissed as an “acceptable” percentage. Vaccines are no longer a priority. The government agencies that tracked and monitored disease statistics are gone as far as I can tell. We should be asking why. Will we be able to trust the answers under the current administration that has turned our healthcare system upside down? Who wants to be a statistic in this diminished healthcare system run by people who have abandoned known scientific evidence? We need to look to other countries to see how far the US healthcare industry has collapsed so far. Without aggressive change it will continue to collapse. Who will we turn to for accurate information?
The collapse of VAERS did not begin with this administration. It is not partisan. Vaccine injuries are real and widespread. Justice for the injured is non-existent.
You cannot find what you are not looking for.
What is "the collapse of AERS?"
You've already demonstrated that you lie prolifically, poorly and cluelessly, with your lawsuit stories. And boasting how your NY-area ambulance chasers are preeminent mass-tort warriors.
How does your clown makeup hold up in this heat?
Are you and Josh blow buddies?
annapoLIES lies:
"The collapse of VAERS"
VAERS is working as designed.
It was intended to be an EARLY WARNING SYSTEM of an adverse EVENT after a vaccination that may or may not be an adverse EFFECT of the vaccination. There are other systems that were designed to verify whether that adverse EVENT was an adverse EFFECT of the vaccination. During the pandemic, VAERS - and similar systems around the world - picked by the early warning of clotting after the viral vector vaccines and the early warning of myocarditis after the mRNA vaccines, and within weeks those adverse events were verified as adverse effects of those vaccinations
VAERS is working as designed.
The verification systems are working as designed
"Vaccine injuries are real"
Yes, they are real and that's what the VACCINE COURT is for. To sort out the real vaccine injuries from conditions not caused by the vaccinations. And to ensure the supply of vaccines for those wanting to save their children from harm and death from vaccine preventable diseases. And to prevent wealthy ambulance chasing lawyers ripping off a large percentage of the outrageous payouts that were able to be accessed by only those able to litigate leaving the vast majority of the vaccine injured uncompensated.
The VACCINE COURT is working as designed
"and widespread"
No. What we have here is gaslighting by lying antivaxxers telling parents that their children have vaccine injuries when they don't and which they caused by getting their children vaccinated. How must more despicable can you get than that?
There is a list of scientifically verified vaccine injuries that are automatically paid. Apart from that, all a claimant needs to do is come up with a plausible mechanism - even if it has not been scientifically verified - and a plausible timeline. That's it! And all legal fees are paid by the court out of subsidies on each vaccine dose sold paid by the vaccine manufacturers.
IF YOU CANNOT WIN IN THE VACCINE COURT YOU DO NOT HAVE A VACCINE INJURY
"Justice for the injured is non-existent'
IF YOU CANNOT WIN IN THE VACCINE COURT YOU DO NOT HAVE A VACCINE INJURY
There's that standard lack of evidence for your claims, Annapolis.
For fanatics there's always a price that's worth paying
I'd invite you to consider that the mortality rate from infectious disease is far, far lower than you would think. There is a psychological bias in that we think "graphic deaths" are far more prevalent than they actually are.
Disgusting way to deny herd immunity.
OWN GOAL!:
"the mortality rate from infectious disease is far, far lower than you would think"
...BECAUSE OF *VACCINATIONS*!
PRASAD BOOTED from FDA. That was quick.
"Dr. Vinay Prasad 'did not want to be a distraction' and was stepping down from his role as the FDA’s top vaccine regulator “to spend more time with his family,” a spokesperson for the HHS aid in a statement late Tuesday.
That cocky attention whore lives to be the distraction.
https://apnews.com/article/vinay-prasad-fda-vaccines-laura-loomer-83030ad6eb7651095e3c40444dd69f12
This is Vinay Prasad:
- opposed government efforts to curb the spread of COVID-19.
- demanded an obligatory RCT before any measure was introduced to limit COVID-19 deaths.
- rejected the necessity for those obligatory RCTs once in power.
- exaggerated and lied about the harms of mitigation measures.
- said mitigations were akin to NAZI authoritarianism.
- minimised or dismissed the frequent and severe complications of the infection.
- exaggerated the frequency and severity of the adverse effects of the vaccinations.
- minimised the effectiveness of the vaccinations.
- promoted antivax liar, RFK junior, during the 2024 presidential election.
- overruled FDA experts to issue narrower approvals for COVID vaccines.
But, despite his dreadful performance during the pandemic, Prasad was actually a brake on right-wing extremism over vaccines and other biologic products, and it was the lunatic right-wing conspiracy nutjobs who got him to resign.
We wait with bated breath at his replacement, especially if the replacement placates the conspiracy nutjobs like Laura Loomer.