Dr Offit, thank you for sharing your expertise on Substack. We are fortunate to have your expert information and common sense shared here. Hopefully it will help counterbalance the crap we are hearing from the HHS Secretary.
How much is he paying you? There were 57 flu deaths this season but you are losing your shit over 1 measles death which upon investigation would find an immunocompromised child who died of COMORBIDTIES
THIS is why no one trusts your profession.
Also most of us have seen this graph. Your lies don't work anymore
Here are some facts you might want to consider before spewing more nonsense. Measles deaths were practically 0 in 1963?? Here are the actual facts (and not from Gates or GAVI, etc.):
So notice that after the vaccine was introduced in 1963 and we headed towards herd immunity in a few years, measles deaths fell off a cliff, from 552 in 1958 to 24 just 10 years later. IOW, "practically 0," to use your phrase, thanks to the vaccine that you foolishly scoff at.
No, measles deaths had plateaued out at around 450-500 notified deaths per year before the 1960s.
Facts:
1. Since Measles spread is unaffected by hygeine and nutrition (it is airborne spread), cases have persistently remained steady until the 1960s.
2. Measles deaths declined, because antibiotics and superior medical care, including ventilation, helped reduce numbers of deaths down to around 500 per year, where they levelled off. Most of those deaths were from encephalitis, which cannot be minimised by good medical care.
3. Measles cases then dropped from 500,000 a year down to several thousands each year in the 1960s, thanks to vaccination.
4. With dramatically fewer cases of measles, even those severe cases which were untreatable (and likely to die) also declined to just a few dozen each year, so measles mortality dropped to near zero.
Wrong. You dont threat measles with antibiotics moron. And the medical treatment and protocol for measles pre vaccines was "go home and get some rest"
Two measles are affected by hygeine and nutrition. EVERYTHING is. if you have bad hygeine you are awash with pathogens and decayed cell parts that will wreak havoc on your health and immune system. And without proper nutrition you will have no strength to live let alone fight off infection
As your link and mind show - mortality rates had dropped 98% before vaccines appeared on the market. So whatever we were doing was working EFFICIENTLY before vaccines
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES thats the point your graph proves
Measles is a mild illness for healthy children, Thats why its appearance was a joke on sitcoms
Measles suppresses the immune system, so secondary bacterial infections become easier to get in measles survivors. Those secondary infections were susceptible to antibiotics, which drove down death rates. Now of course we have multi-drug resistant bacteria that evolved, and can infect measles survivors. Those who recently got wild measles infections will continue to be at risk for years from measles immune amnesia. https://asm.org/articles/2019/may/measles-and-immune-amnesia
The core lie in your link is “They clearly show that vaccines had nothing to do with the decline in death rates.”
That’d only be true if you showed all the reasons why a disease DOES kill. But that’d be to admit that yes, it’s whether a person is exposed to a virus, how much of it they get, how well their immune systems respond to the attack and the quality of other care. (George Washington apparently died from having been bled, an unscientific treatment)
We KNOW for a fact that the immune system of a vaccinated person has much better odds of withstanding a microbe invader, and in turn, a well-vaccinated person is much less likely to spread the virus to others
We FURTHER know for a fact that not every person gets vaccinated all at once and that many diseases show up-and-down patterns in when a disease works its way into a population.
Ie, ALL of the major issues in disease fatality are directly reduced by the population (and outsiders who could bring it in) being vaccinated, although in a complicated way
>We KNOW for a fact that the immune system of a vaccinated person has much better odds of withstanding a microbe invader, and in turn, a well-vaccinated person is much less likely to spread the virus to others
Am going ignore your drivel and address this myth
#Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway
But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease, according to school officials. In fact, all 90 people who have recently come down with pertussis — the official name for whooping cough — in Los Angeles County this year had been immunized against it, according to county officials.
Eighteen students there have not been vaccinated against pertussis, but none of them has caught the illness, school spokesman Ari Engelberg said.
Clue #1....without vaccination, its feasible all of the students would have caught it.
Clue #2....When all drivers wear seatbelts, you will find that all the recorded deaths are in those who wear seatbelts. But without seatbelts, the death toll would have been far higher. (Base rate fallacy)
Nb: my link has thoughtful reasons, ideas for dealing with it
Meanwhile your style of poo-flinging maybe works fine at 𝕏 but is ill-suited to Substack: it’s obvious you didn’t even try to refute my pointing out you made a useless case with your charts, so you try to change the subject with another false claim that because some vaccines wane in effectiveness, no vaccine is helpful. Gish Galloping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop?wprov=sfti1#Strategy) at its stinkiest
If you’re going to attack literal centuries of science, including scientists who are household names for their great work in immunology—Pasteur, Fleming, Salk, Sabin and more who’ve been key to eliminating or hugely reducing rabies, smallpox, polio, even measles until your ilk caused people to stop vaccinating their kids on schedule—you need more than the flimsy stupidity of a Wakefield, who’s INfamous for his fraudulent anti-vax grifting that RFKJr runs with
You need, IOW, to be a better liar. Or just acknowledge history and get out of the way of progress
If you are commenting it suggests you read dr Offitts column. If you choose a crackpot over science that’s your prorogative but please spread your lies elsewhere
Before the first measles vaccine was licensed in 1963 there were 500 deaths each year of previously healthy children from measles in the US. Measles is not a trivial illness. Yes, it takes two doses of the vaccine to insure immunity, but that immunity is enduring and protective. A death from measles is a preventable death.
What is disappointing about RFK's response is 1) he doesn't know the simple facts, 2) his remarks are dismissive, and 3) he isn't urging an intervention which is known to be effective. Likewise it is disappointing that in this ferocious influenza season, he has chosen to discontinue public health messages about immunization.
The first year of life in any child is the time for the discovery of issues - be they developmental or medical or general issues of thriving. During that first year, many immunizations are provided to insure, as best as possible a healthy childhood. It is not surprising that a parent would associate the recognition of a medical or developmental problem with the administration of a vaccine. Association is not causation. My heart goes out to any parent who faces challenging medical issues in their children. There is nothing more important than our children and children everywhere. However, causation has to be studied by comparing immunized and unimmunized children and these studies have not shown that vaccines are detrimental.
I have been practicing pediatrics for more than 50 years. I have seen the near eradication of many infectious diseases and a meaningful reduction in cervical cancer from HPV vaccines. Vaccines for children have been one of the most significant public health achievements of the 20th century. We will be a sorry society if we don't continue to champion the current vaccines and support the development of new vaccines.
I would add to your comment that "critical thinking" demands "critical data." A search for a demonstrated relationship between HBV vaccination in infants and resultant autoimmune diseases renders 42 pages of citations in the National Library of Medicine, the vast majority of which is irrelevant. The few citations (2009 & 2010) that do speak to the point, refer to a very minor risk elevation in MS in females, but concluded further research was necessary. A single citation (2011) found no association with Type 1 Diabetes. A review titled, "Do Vaccines Have a Role as a Cause of Autoimmune Neurological Syndromes?" concluded,
"Although the rarity of autoimmune diseases makes it difficult to strictly exclude that, albeit exceptionally, some vaccines may induce an autoimmune neurological disease, no definitive demonstration of a potential role of vaccines in causing autoimmune neurological syndromes is presently available. Consequently, the fear of neurological autoimmune disease cannot limit the use of the most important preventive measure presently available against infectious diseases."
Principi, N. and Esposito, S. (2020) Do Vaccines Have a Role as a Cause of Autoimmune Neurological Syndromes? Front.PublicHealth8:361. doi:10.3389/fpubh.2020.00361
Finally, the gold standard for evidence-based medicine - the Cochrane Library (https://www.cochranelibrary.com) - who accepts no outside funding whatsoever, concludes that, one,
"Existing evidence on the safety and effectiveness of MMR/MMRV vaccines support their use for mass immunisation. Campaigns aimed at global eradication should assess epidemiological and socioeconomic situations of the countries as well as the capacity to achieve high vaccination coverage. More evidence is needed to assess whether the protective effect of MMR/MMRV could wane with time since immunisation."
And two,
"Our review shows that MMR, MMRV and MMR+V vaccines are effective in preventing the infection of children by measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox, with no evidence of an increased risk of autism or encephalitis and a small risk of febrile seizure."
Di Pietrantonj C, Rivetti A, Marchione P, Debalini MG, Demicheli V. Vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella in children. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2021, Issue 11. Art. No.: CD004407. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD004407.pub5.
But I think he does know. Medical scientists have been giving him the facts and the evidence for 20 years now! He cannot not know the facts. He is simply lying at this point. His income and prominence depend on his anti-vaccination stance. It seems he is happy to trade the health and lives of children to maintain his income. Spare no thought for him, he is a despicable human being.
Except for the families concerned, especially since it is a preventable disease and if 95%+ of adults are population are vaccinated stops the virus in its tracks. Also there are other non fatal but disabling effects and in rare cases a terminal disease develops 7-10 years after the acute infection.
Measles is a notifiable disease in the U.K. , thus we have statistics available. The vaccine was introduced to the U.K. in 1968.
There’s a man who has obesity…Oh, he must be “vaccine-ravaged”!
And there’s someone with a hereditary genetic defect…poor “vaccine-ravaged” girl!
And my 85 year old neighbour got prostate cancer…Shame! He’s vaccine-ravaged!”
Yes Cia, when you stupidly think every anomaly known to medicine can be laid at the door of those evil shots, you do see the “vaccine-ravaged” everywhere you look.
The families destroyed by vaccine damage are even more distraught. First, because they are mortified to think that they had been WARNED about vaccine damage, but did it anyway, and can never forgive themselves. Second, because unlike a death, from which you gradually recover, vaccine damage is forever, a constant reminder of what you squandered and inflicted.
Oh look, a non referenced graph from an anti vaccine propaganda website. Confronted with these overwhelming pictures with absolutely no sources cited, call me convinced.
DR Suzanne Humpheries and Dr Thomas Cowan (among others) have written about this subject. Their books contain references to sourced data from Health Ministries and Data kept since 1900
But you are a provaxxer. You morons don't read books and research material so I just post the link to the graphs to make my point instead
Dr. Suzanne Humphries (yeah, you can't even spell your hero's name!) and Dr. Thomas Cowan are goddamn fringe doctors whose claims have been repeatedly and completely debunked.
Cowan does not even believe viruses cause disease.
Rombios I am not pro anything. Like most of us, I am just trying to stay as informed as possible.
I admit I have been facetious and “trolling” in our interactions. I was just feeding off of your energy. Honestly, I meant no insult or harm.
I actually do read as much as I can on several topics. I am generally a curious person. Saying I do not read is just an unsubstantiated assumption and insult on your behalf. I don’t take offense though. Reading some of your other posts, it’s apparent that a lot of your rebuttals and arguments quickly turn into insidious insults.
“Research” is a very broad and undefined term this day and age. It can mean reading and accurately interpreting peer reviewed literature, watching YouTube videos, reading books by charlatans, sharing people’s anecdotal experiences or browsing Internet forums.
I am sure the people you have mentioned have wrote some compelling literature. Lots of people have. I have not read anything from them that I am aware of. But I do not doubt there are some merits to their writing.
450 deaths in children is NOT a "very low" mortality. What is wrong with you? You are so blindly against vaccination that you are prepared to accept 450 deaths a year from a vaccination-preventable disease? WTF is wrong with you?
In any case, the death rate in 3rd world countries is 1 in 10, reduced in developed nations to 1 in a 1000.
So, you are also LYING, which makes this even more despicable.
Why? Your unnecessary offensive insults make people dismiss whatever you have to say as just angry dribble. You lose credibility as someone who is more emotional than constructive. It's a shame some commenters hide behind made up names so they can be rude and incite people. How does that add to science or debate? There are actually people reading who may want to understand both sides and read helpful commentary or debate so they can think for themselves. Someone like you just wants to shut it down and insult people. That gets us nowhere.
And now two deaths in less than 200 cases in Texas and New Mexico. So I guess our health care system has wildly degraded in its ability to provide supportive care to measles patients compared to the 1950s and 1960s, eh?
Just tens of thousands a year rendered autistic. Oh, well. As long as you can ignore it, and ignore the billions and billions a year it will cost to feed and house them once the parents die. Then you will say Why didn’t anyone tell me?
I commend your resolve to speak truth to truth, while being verbally assaulted by on-line vitriol that is anything but civil.
Those who choose to shout back at me, save your energy my comment is simply to laud Dr Offit's commitment to the health of your fellow Americans & ask for his comment to my question.
Dr. Offit
I have asked other knowledgeable contributers to Substack as to the risk of newborns being infected with measles prior to being vaccinated 🙏🤞
The paradigm as I had understood the newborn has (most often) passive immunity for measles until ~ 9 months but I have recently learned this is not the case.
In fact, passive immunity be it from natural or vaccination wains within several months...3-4 mo's, compounded by a difference related to the mothers source of immunity .
We obviously cannot vaccinate the pregnant mom & vaccinating the newborn (less than 6-9 mo's) presents additional challenges with their retained immunity going forward.
Thank you in advance for your consideration. JJF Phm 🇨🇦
If the measles vaccination rate is above 95% there is virtually no risk to children under the age of 1.
Maternal antibodies start to wane around 3 to 6 months of age. By 6 months, most infants have antibody levels below the protective threshold, making them susceptible to measles if exposed. So, if you are travelling to a country with a low measles vaccination rate, a dose of measles vaccine for children between 6 and 12 months of age is recommended. That could also apply if you intend visiting US states with low measles vaccination rates especially if there is a measles outbreak.
However, a child can become infected before 6 months and vaccinations are not recommended below this age because of immunological immaturity, so always keep your child safe, especially during an outbreak. Childcare is a particular risk in areas with low vaccination rates
No vaccine or medical intervention is mandatory in the U.K. the only vaccination that was mandatory prior to the establishment of the NHS was smallpox.
By the way it’s Leicester, I know because I live 10 miles away and used to work in the city.
“ Leicester actually escaped relatively lightly, with 370 cases - a rate of 20.5 cases per 10,000 of the population - resulting in 21 deaths. This was a far lower figure of cases than in some well-vaccinated towns like Warrington (125) and Sheffield (144).
Anti-vaccinationists were triumphant, claiming the Leicester method had been proven.
Mr Tetro said: "The so-called marvellous success of the Leicester method was based on the fact it used a tried and true method of notification and quarantine in combination with the benefit of a hospital and the use of a type of ring vaccination in which healthcare staff were vaccinated.
"In a small population, this can work but as the population grows, this method becomes untenable.
"This was seen in 1893 when people had to resort to staying at home instead of being cared for in a hospital during an epidemic that led to hundreds of infections."”
What’s the licensing agreement have to do with Paul at this point? He was a co inventor but his work was done under Children's Hospital of Philadelphia who sold the patent. He sold any of his interests around 2010 didn’t he?
No he still collects. Thats part of the licensing agreement and why he defends the CDC vaccination schedule of which his rotavirus vaccine is a part of
I am not anti-vaccine… But I am a critical thinker, and my daughter, my first born, ended up with a rare autoimmune disorder as a baby after she had the hepatitis B series… Vaccines do injure people, people need to be smart and know their family histories, and physicians need to be smarter and work with people so that they don'tinjure their patients with vaccines. It's not black-and-white and I can't believe that physicians actually think it is, that is the real harm.
Seriously?? "No vaccine has ever caused an autoimmune disorder" Really?? And the nerve of you to attempt to label me when you dont even know me. Myself and all my children are fully vaccinated. After my the experience with my first born, we chose a slower schedule with my other kids but they are all caught up now, no harm was caused by taken precaution. Dr. Sear's famous baby book even says if you have a family history of autoimmune talk to your doctor and consider a slower or alternative schedule. Maybe we could avoid some of the hundreds of thousands of childhood diseases that have become an epidemic, if any pediatrician actually ever asked these questions and stopped blindly jabbing our youth with ridiculous amounts of toxin and over stimulation to immature immune systems. But there is a large contingency of the population that chooses to be intentionally ignorant, like yourself. That is your prerogative. But its also my prerogative if I want to be more responsible for my own health. Its my body after-all. And its my body, my choice what I want to inject and put in it, and my health history is different than yours so I might not choose something because of that family history or genetics. And you are so wrong, science isn't always black and white. No critical thinker would blindly follow any medicine without doing their legwork. I have a degree in biology and nursing
"Seriously?? "No vaccine has ever caused an autoimmune disorder" Really??"
YES. No vaccine has ever caused an autoimmune disorder. Ever.
"And the nerve of you to attempt to label me when you dont even know me."
You lied about vaccines. That makes you an antivaxxer. Period. If you don't want to be know as an antivaxxer, don't lie about vaccines, it's that simple.
"we chose a slower schedule with my other kids"
You are not a critical thinker.
A child is exposed to about 320 antigens in 5 years by following the wel-researched Childhood vaccination schedule.
A child is exposed to about 2000-6000 antigens every day from the environment.
It makes NO SENSE to spread out the vaccinations. All you do is expose your child to unnecessary risk. That is poor critical thinking.
"Dr. Sear's"
Dr Robert Sears is a crank.
"says if you have a family history of autoimmune talk to your doctor and consider a slower or alternative schedule."
He is spreading vaccine misinformation. Vaccinations do NOT cause autoimmune disease.
"if any pediatrician actually ever asked these questions and stopped blindly jabbing our youth with ridiculous amounts of toxin and over stimulation to immature immune systems."
The paediatricians who are also scientists - and not cranks like Robert Sears - have asked and answered these questions. See above. 200 antigens over 5 years is not "a ridiculous amount" - and they are not "toxins" antivaxxer - when the environment challenges children with 2000-6000 antigens every day! You are spreading antivax misinformation, antivaxxer.
"there is a large contingency of the population that chooses to be intentionally ignorant,"
Clearly that is you. You have absolutely no background in science or medicine. Am I right? Of course, I am. You can't learn about medical science by reading a book written by an anti-science crank. Sorry.
" I have a degree in biology and nursing"'
Your education has been wasted on you. Worse, you are a nurse spreading vaccine misinformation. How much damage that has caused you will probably never know. Children may have died as a result of you telling them against expert advice by paediatric medical scientists, to spread out the vaccinations when we KNOW that this is not necessary. A lot of research has gone into the childhood vaccination schedule and you've ignored it all because of something you read in a book by an anti-science crank. That is professionally irresponsible.
"Its my body after-all."
Your child's body is not your body.
But there is a large contingency of the population that chooses to be intentionally ignorant, like yourself. That is your prerogative. But its also my prerogative if I want to be more responsible for my own health. Its my body after-all. And its my body, my choice what I want to inject and put in it, and my health history is different than yours so I might not choose something because of that family history or genetics. And you are so wrong, science isn't always black and white. No critical thinker would blindly follow any medicine without doing their legwork. I have a degree in biology and nursing
Rober Sears, known is an American pediatrician noted for his unorthodox and dangerous views on childhood vaccination. While Sears acknowledges the efficacy of vaccines, he has proposed alternative vaccination schedules that depart from accepted medical recommendations. His proposals are not supported by medical evidence and have contributed to dangerous under-vaccination in the national child population.
Dr. Paul Offit: "Sears sounds many antivaccine messages in his book"
Dr. Emily Willingham dismissed The Vaccine Book as "non-evidence-based".
Dr. Rahul Parikh: "Sears understanding of vaccines is deeply flawed ... his Vaccine Book is a nightmare for pediatricians like me and is peppered with misleading innuendo and factual errors ... Sears misleads parents ... using "tactics like soft science, circular logic, reporting rumors and outright falsehoods"
Dr. Peter Lipson: "Sears is an example of a dangerous doctor.... Despite his protestations that he is not 'anti-vaccine', his language and his recommendations very clearly guide parents to be suspicious of vaccination and to avoid the safe and effective recommended vaccination schedule."
Dr. Arthur Caplan: "Sears is an anti-vaxx pediatrician who favors alternative medicine [alternative medicine is not backed by evidence]"
On June 27, 2018, the Medical Board of California placed Sears on 35 months of probation after he settled a case in which the Medical Board accused him of writing a doctor's note exempting a two-year-old child from vaccinations without obtaining the basic information necessary for decision making prior to excluding the possibility of future vaccines, leaving the patient and his mother, as well as future contacts, at risk for preventable and communicable diseases. Sears is required to take
- 40 hours of medical education courses annually.
- attend an ethics class.
- be monitored by a supervising doctor.
- must notify hospitals and facilities of the order.
- restrictions on supervising physician assistants and nurse practitioners.
This is the anti-science crank from whom you take advice.
You don't get tell a parent what they will or will not do.
Following the CDC vaccination is tantamount to a death sentence for your child in the worst case or outright stunted development otherwise. Only a fool would pollute their bloodstream and damage their natural immunity with liability shielded drugs (only vaccines)
That's why NONE of my children are vaccinated and never will as long as I draw breath
There are over 1200 adverse events admitted to by the drug companies. Some of these include paralysis and death.
Damages to your child are your problem as you can't take action directly against those manufacturers
VICP has paid out over 5 billion in compensation from less than 1% of reports ...RFKjr vows to make VAERS mandatory so imagine when 99% report their problems
They are not liability shielded drugs, even in the USA. In fact the legislation from the mid 1980’s has a very low bar when it comes to the federal government paying out compensation, Paul Offit explained this a while ago on the microbe tv channel on YouTube.
Point is; vaccines have a special legistlation (that circumvents our justice system) that NO OTHER DRUGS OR PRODUCTS in the United States enjoy
That should give you pause. Massive red flags
Imagine if Vioxx or Phen-fen (given the deaths and damages they caused before getting pulled off the market) were protected by the national childhood vaccination act/CARES act/PREP act?
As I understand it there’s nothing stopping an American citizen from suing the pharmaceutical companies, which I got from a Paul Offit has said previously.
For vaccines on the childhood schedule, claims for vaccine damage have to be assessed by the NVICP first (vaccine court). This is funded through an excise tax levied off the Pharma manufacturers.
All costs to plaintiffs including their lawyers charges are covered.
If claims fail, plaintiffs can then seek litigation against the manufacturers directly, but few bother to do so, since if you fail to pass the low hurdle of NVCIP (where proof of causation is NOT required), it’s almost certain a federal court litigation would fail.
>If claims fail, plaintiffs can then seek litigation against the manufacturers directly,
NO you cant!
Thats what liability shielding means
>but few bother to do so, since if you fail to pass the low hurdle of NVCIP (where proof of causation is NOT required), it’s almost certain a federal court litigation would fail.
THis is ANOTHER lie
Its a special CLOSED court - a deviation from our (standard justice system that requires a discovery process to gather and ascertain facts) ... made worse by
a number of SEVERITY CLAUSES (one of which include displaying residual effects and disability for at least 6 months ; another is that they must show proof the disability resulted in impatient hospitalization and surgical intervention
this is your LOW hurdle?
again - the heartlessness of you vaccine pharma whores never ceases to amaze me - but carry on.
In the end it doesnt really matter because parents who do their research and learn about all this - just opt out of vaccination all together as that is the only sensible approach to dealing with indemnified products
As you obviously know I am not an American but English, therefore I don’t know the minutia of their legislation and depend on others to inform me, the same as I wouldn’t expect an American to know the minutia of our laws as they pertain to public health or vaccine injury claims.
One of the medical professions greatest boasts is that it eradicated smallpox through the use of a vaccine. I myself believed this claim for many years. But it isn’t true.
One of the worst smallpox epidemics of all time took place in England between 1870 and 1872 - nearly two decades after compulsory vaccination was introduced. After this evidence that smallpox vaccination didn't work the people of Leicester in the English Midlands refused to have the vaccine any more. When the next smallpox epidemic struck in the early 1890s the people of Leicester relied upon good sanitation and a system of quarantine. There was only one death from smallpox in Leicester during that epidemic. In contrast the citizens of other towns (who had been vaccinated) died in vast numbers.
Obligatory vaccination against smallpox was introduced in Germany as a result of state by-laws, but these vaccination programmes had no influence on the incidence of the disease. On the contrary, the smallpox epidemic continued to grow and in 1870 Germany had the gravest smallpox epidemic in its history. At that point the new German Reich introduced a new national law making vaccination against smallpox an even stricter legal requirement. The police were given the power to enforce the new law.
German doctors (and medical students) are taught that it was the Reich Vaccination Law which led to a dramatic reduction in the incidence of smallpox in Germany. But a close look at the figures shows that the incidence of smallpox had already started to fall before the law came into action. And the legally enforced national smallpox vaccination programme did not eradicate the disease.
Doctors and drug companies may not like it but the truth is that surveillance, quarantine and better living conditions got rid of smallpox - not the smallpox vaccine.
When the international campaign to rid the world of smallpox was at its height the number of cases of smallpox went up each time there was a large scale (and expensive) mass vaccination of populations in susceptible countries. As a result of this the strategy was changed. Mass vaccination programmes were abandoned and replaced with surveillance, isolation and quarantine.
The myth that smallpox was eradicated through a mass vaccination programme is just that - a myth. Smallpox was eradicated through identifying and isolating patients with the disease.
Where is the compassion for deaths and injuries from the MMR vaccine and ALL the other vaccines? I have a profoundly disabled daughter caused by vaccine injury and dozens of friends with disabled and dead children. Or do they not matter? RFKjr: “I want people to think when they use the term “antivax parent” they should be thinking of a parent with a disabled child because THAT’S WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE”
"Where is the compassion for deaths and injuries from ... the other vaccines?"
They are compensated through the vaccine court.
"I have a profoundly disabled daughter caused by vaccine injury and dozens of friends with disabled and dead children."
You couldn't possibly have that many friends that you have dozens who are vaccine injured.
You are BLATANTLY LYING.
" RFKjr: “I want people to think when they use the term “antivax parent” they should be thinking of a parent with a disabled child because THAT’S WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE”"
That filthy creature has been lying about vaccines for 25 years. He makes millions of dollars every year from his anti-vaccine activities. YOU are nothing more than a USEFUL FOOL to him.
"They are compensated through the vaccine court." BS Have you ever tried fighting a case in vaccine court? I personally know several families with documented injury cases that were thrown out. So, you're saying as long as vaccine court pays for deaths and injuries it's OK??? What about the families and children? You people are nut jobs. And guess who IS supporting these INJURED adult children now? THE TAXPAYERS. The only one lying here is the pharma shills. RFKjr has stood by families of vaccine injured children for years, and NO he's not making "millions of dollars" from us (most of us are flat broke raising children who were injured). Keep your delusional thoughts to yourself, nobody in their right mind believes your nonsense any longer.
"I personally know several families with documented injury cases that were thrown out."
You don't know sh!t.
The decisions actually favour the applicant who really only needs to show a reasonable timeline from vaccination to claimed adverse effect. In other words, they only need to show correlation and not necessarily causation. This is a far lower level than anyone will face in a civil trial.
And there are whole lists of adverse effects that are just routinely paid out with set amounts of fair compensation - considering that the vaccination may have saved your life! - to ensure everyone gets something and not just the wealthy few who can afford expensive lawyers.
"So, you're saying as long as vaccine court pays for deaths and injuries it's OK???"
Stop lying about what I'm saying.
The mortality rate of the mRNA vaccines is far less than 1 in 1 million.
The mortality rate of the infection is 6,800 in a million.
I am asking YOU to apply some fairly base level reasoning!
Before the Vaccine Court was established, some individuals who could afford to hire expensive lawyers got multi-million-dollar settlements that nearly sent vaccine some manufacturers bankrupt and forced all but a few into giving up manufacturing the life-saving vaccines, thereby threatening the supply of these life-saving vaccines to the public.
The Vaccine Court spread out the compensation to a far wider group of people and established which claimed adverse effects were supported by evidence as opposed to adverse effects for which there was no evidence. And the court sided on balance with the applicants in borderline cases.
The result was
1) fair compensation for everyone, not just a select few.
2) compensation only for claimed adverse effects backed by evidence.
3) no legal fees for applicants.
4) the ability to sue privately if you disagreed with the court's decision.
5) drug companies were able continue manufacturing vaccines.
6) the public was able to continue to receive vaccines.
7) ambulance chasing lawyers demanding huge fees were side-lined.
8) the whole thing was paid for by a 75 cent surcharge on every precription.
This is one of the most sensible legal decisions in US history and a win for all.
You wouldnt need a special court if they were safe and effective moron.
There are multi-million dollar settlements for damages from many drugs pulled off the market without liability shielding such as Vioxx and Phenfen to name a few. So what?
The SEVERITY clauses in the VICP alone are engineered to waylay the less than 1% of reported adverse events. And thete is a cap on damage awards
Best approach is dont vaccinate - keep your children healthy and developmentally sound.
"the vaccine court: the dark truth about Americas vaccine injury compensation program" was an EYE OPENER
A special closed adversarial "court", with a number of SEVERITY CLAUSES (one of which include displaying residual effects and disability for at least 6 months ; another is that they must show proof the disability resulted in impatient hospitalization and surgical intervention)
My wife and I knew then we were never going to waste time playing this rigged game years ago when our first child was born
You can't see that your heartless response and refusal to acknowledge adverse events is why RFKjr sits at the HHS.
It will be why the National Childhood Vaccination Act will be repealed along with CARES and PREP acts
It's sad you can't see how your actions and those of your ilk are forcing needed change.
Keep at it.
Keep lambasting parents of vaccine injured children, it will continue to bolster the public support that will bring this whole house crashing in on your head
You idiots cant see that your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the truth and hold pharmaceutical giants accountable is why RFKjr sits at the HHS and why this whole vaccine nonesense house of cards will be brought down to it's knees
Each parent you deny, criticize, denounce, accuse of lying bolsters the public support necessary to end this garbage
Of course vaccine injuries occur. Nobody denies that. They are not 100% safe (and nothing else is either). The vast majority of reactions are mild and transient. Any lingering or serious problems post vaccine and someone can take the case to vaccine court, which is heavily tilted in favour of the plaintiffs, since there is no proof of causation required for any table injury.
For example, if your child gets GBS at any time up to 6 week after a flu shot, you don't need to prove the vaccine was the cause rather than an intercurrent illness (which is entirely feasible), all you need to do is show you have GBS and compensation automatically follows.
This is on the medical community establishment! They have made the anti vaccine generation with their vaccine policies and mandates. Yep, they own this. I’m pro vaccination but also feel everyone should be treated as an individual. Not protocol.
We are at a point where that graph is front and center on.this post. Once its known about in.the rest of this country - as common.knowlege - this game is over
Every death of a child for any reason is a tragedy, the death of this six-year old girl included. Few details have been released, but some local nurses have said that health care providers have been told to vax as many as possible with MMR, including post-exposure. They are reported to have said that this previously unvaxxed girl was given the MMR when she was already symptomatic for measles, likely with a fever, which is contraindicated. She was not given vitamin A drops, which it is advisable that all measles patients do.
It was very unusual that a child die from measles, and it is likely that these two factors played an important roke in her death.
That's interesting. Where did the reports that a Mennonite girl from a vaccine hesitant community received a vaccine post disease transmittal come from? Vitamin A is recommended by WHO for children in poor countries where the population is already deficient in Vitamin A but it’s not a panacea. As far as “it is likely that these two factors played an important role in her death”, this is some tier one ill informed Internet forum troll stuff. No body but the doctors on the ground treating these patients is in a position to diagnose and assign likely causes of death.
Anyone who cares to google it will find many studies showing the benefits of two doses of A for measles patients. Yet here we see that Lubbock experts tell families to NOT give A. Boy, I can’t think of any good reason. It saves lives. The measles virus eats through existing stores of vitamin A very fast, so that even those who had enough before measles may be deficient during. I am at a loss. The only possible reason is arrogant irresponsibility. Not giving it to this girl compromised by the MMR when symptomatic for measles may have caused her death.
Cia, it’s crucial to be careful with Vitamin A dosing isn’t it? My understanding is that it’s fat soluble, so Vitamin A toxicity is a major concern. Especially if a person with adequate levels of Vitamin A is taking exogenous doses of it.
Good information, everyone with measles benefits from two doses of vitamin A. It is VERY strange this animus against it. One more contrasting link in a minute.
The outbreak is said to have started in a Mennonite community, but it has spread out from there, as contagious diseases do. It has not been reported that the girl was Mennonite. I saw something about someone having talked to a maid who worked at the girl’s house, which would suggest that the family had the means of the upper class. There are, of course, other interpretations possible.
Vitamin A is not a panacea, but it’s close. It reduces mortality by as much as 90%, prevents eye damage and blindness, and prevents complications or shortens their duration. It is used by less than half of health care providers in the US. I think it’s through arrogance, to separate Americans with measles from Third Worlders with measles. A class thing, I guess. Or maybe it’s How DARE you not take the MMR, you DESERVE to -!
Cia, thanks for sharing. I just gotta say, this article is by the Children’s Health Defense, who bias in the vaccine hesitant direction. Just my opinion, but I think they seem to be more of a propaganda machine than a trusted source of credible information. The article mentions an unnamed medical doctor’s reports via third party text messages. So, this is speculation at best.
From what I have read, Vitamin A absolutely is capable of accomplishing the things you mentioned in humans who are Vitamin A deficient. This is why the WHO absolutely recommends that Vitamin A be administered as measles treatment in third world countries who suffer from malnutrition and by proxy Vitamin A deficiency. The WHO is not waging class warfare, they are making recommendations for communities outside of the US. The US is not their focus.
All of that being said, give Vitamin A to your measles afflicted children if that’s what you want to do.
I was only questioning your comment about “likely” causes of death. Especially when using a CHD article as part of the evidence.
I can see you are very concerned with the well being of these children. I can appreciate that.
The person who died of a motorcycle accident was only TEMPORARILY categorised as a COVID-19 death. The death certificates that contain the final cause of death take months to work through the system so, for the real time management of the pandemic response no time is wasted and all deaths with, or as a result of, COVID-19 are TEMPORAILY classified as COVID-19 deaths because it hardly makes any difference to the total and valuable time is saved in responding to the surges in cases.
IT IS A LIE THAT THESE CASES ARE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL COVID DEATH TOLL.
Meaning? Very little has been said about her. What have you learned about her. The nurses are reported to have been shocked that she was given the MMR when she was symptomatic for measles. So last week. Since she died on Wednesday, she must have been starting to be sick at that time.
If you have additional information, please post it. I think first that the girl’s parents have already talked to a lawyer about suing the HCP and have been told not to talk about it. Also sure that Lubbock HCPs are circling the wagons themselves. If she had not been given the MMR when sick, or if she had been given vitamin A drops, I think that out of concern for public health they would have said so, as the infotmation is important for families to know during measles outbreaks. The silence is telling.
This person assigned a likely cause of this girls death to the fact that she wasn’t given Vitamin A. So, whether they are aware of it or not, they recommend WHO guide lines. And there’s that word “likely” again. I guess you are either clairvoyant or you were on on the scene to witness the poor child’s treatment?
And no one trusts doctors diagnosis? Wow, you are potentially speaking for billions of people. I guess that makes you omnipotent. Now you’re taking about COVID? You’re all over the place little buddy.
Are you addressing me? No, I don’t trust doctors’ diagnoses. Too much politics involved.
I don’t consider myself to be dogmatic. I consider evidence and decide what I believe. I might later change my mind. I have read a lot about it and am certain that vitamin A is often lifesaving. I would not draw boundaries and say that all Third World children under one year old need it, but no First World person over the age of one. I bought a bottle of A drops on Amazon two weeks ago, just in case. It’s cheap, easy, might save your life or prevent disability.
She is said to have died of pneumonia, the most common cause of measles deaths. She would not have gotten pneumonia if she had not gotten measles. She was unlikely to get pneumonia had she kept strict bed rest in a warm room, but not many Americans know that it is important to do so when nursing measles. Probably they thought that belatedly giving her the holy elixir, the MMR, would miraculously heal her, assuming they thought at all. And every vaccine dimishes immune function for about a month. She was not given the advantage of vitamin A.
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Another great post. The fact that he believes these children are hospitalized for "quarantine" is one of the most ignorant statements he has ever made. And that is saying a lot. This is absolutely surreal.
It seems that finding graphs online to support both sides of arguments is not hard to do. This makes staying accurately informed such a challenge. You said my question was factually incorrect because you subscribe to what people like Dr Ralph Scobey, Dr Suzanne Humphries, etc say. Then there are several other Doctors and scientist who disagree with them based on their own observations.
Does this make every single person in the world who disagrees with the DDT - Polio connection a shill of some sort? Or just woefully misinformed? How do we explain cases of polio before DDT exposure? Hasn't polio been part of human history for some time? Or is that non-factual too?
Whether there is a causal relationship between DDT and polio or not, DDT is definitely some nasty stuff.
Everyone should recognize that Dr. Offit is engaging in what in more honest times was called a "Guerilla Marketing Campaign". The pharmaceutical industry is rife with this sort of marketing. Pharmaceutical sales reps, like Dr. Offit masquerading as public health and "Doctors" use children as their main marketing ploy to entice and force you if you don't comply with purchasing their shoddily made medical products.
No one should be fooled by this anymore. The more children they can claim died due to lack of vaccination the more bellicose they become until they can have laws changed to force you and local governments to buy product and force you and your family to consume their product.
These people are malevolent and you have to look at them for what they are.
Dr Offit, thank you for sharing your expertise on Substack. We are fortunate to have your expert information and common sense shared here. Hopefully it will help counterbalance the crap we are hearing from the HHS Secretary.
How much is he paying you? There were 57 flu deaths this season but you are losing your shit over 1 measles death which upon investigation would find an immunocompromised child who died of COMORBIDTIES
THIS is why no one trusts your profession.
Also most of us have seen this graph. Your lies don't work anymore
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
The vaclib site is nonsense. For example compare their measles graph with this one from Our World in Data: https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/measles-cases-and-death-rate?yScale=linear&time=earliest..2024
Notice how the death rate plummeted after the introduction of the vaccine in 1963? IOW, the antivaxers are once again caught in lies.
My graph begins at 1900 yours begins a full half century later when more than 95% of cases were gone.
http://vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
And you'll note the steady decline even before your vaccine panacea was release in early 1960.
Measles deaths were headed to 0 in 1963 before the vaccine was introduced.
😅😅😅😅
Even your GAVI/Bill and Minda Gates foundation graph aligns with what I stated
Rombios -- often in error, never in doubt.
Here are some facts you might want to consider before spewing more nonsense. Measles deaths were practically 0 in 1963?? Here are the actual facts (and not from Gates or GAVI, etc.):
Measles deaths in the United States:
1956 530
1957 389
1958 552
1959 385
1960 380
1961 434
1962 408
1963 364
1964 421
1965 276
1966 261
1967 81
1968 24
Source: based on https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/measles-cases-and-death?tab=table&time=1972..1976
So notice that after the vaccine was introduced in 1963 and we headed towards herd immunity in a few years, measles deaths fell off a cliff, from 552 in 1958 to 24 just 10 years later. IOW, "practically 0," to use your phrase, thanks to the vaccine that you foolishly scoff at.
And BTW, your hero RFK Jr. just called on parents in Texas to get their children vaccinated: "Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us" with the subheading "MMR vaccine is crucial to avoiding potentially deadly disease." https://www.axios.com/2025/03/03/kennedy-jr-measles-outbreak-vaccine?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
Anymore ignorant laughing emojis, rombios?
My graph begins at 1900 yours begins a full half century later when more than 95% of cases were gone.
http://vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
And you'll note the steady decline even before your vaccine panacea was release in early 1960.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
How was measles in decline prevaccine if we all got it back in the 50s and 60s?
The only thing that did decline prevax was deaths from secondary pneumonias, as antibiotics and also ITUs came on tap.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
Once more with effort ...
Can’t respond, you loser?
😂
>And BTW, your hero RFK Jr. just called on parents in Texas to get their children vaccinated: "Measles outbreak is call to action for all of us" with the subheading "MMR vaccine is crucial to avoiding potentially deadly disease." https://www.axios.com/2025/03/03/kennedy-jr-measles-outbreak-vaccine?utm_source=firefox-newtab-en-us
Not my hero and sadly dissapppointing. Who knows what pressures hes under and 9threaths to his life. He is a Kennedy after all.
Keep in mind RFKjr is not antivaxx. He wants safe and effective vacvines in the end and his goal is to conduct a Vax vs UnVax study.
Thats repeatedly what I have said matters most to me about his ascension to HHS (outside abolishing mandates) ...
>Anymore ignorant laughing emojis, rombios
😃😄👍😄
Again AM anti vaxx, RFKjr has never been antivax. He wants to make them safer. I want an uncorrupted Vax vs UnVax study and thats where we both agree
Thats the standard I will judge him by. If he fails to.l deliver that study he is finished in my eyes and many of us who rallied to his appt
>1963 and we headed towards herd immunity in a few years, measles deaths fell off
Herd immunity through vaccines are a myth
https://www.chicoer.com/2019/05/19/letters-debunking-the-myth-of-herd-immunity/amp/
No, measles deaths had plateaued out at around 450-500 notified deaths per year before the 1960s.
Facts:
1. Since Measles spread is unaffected by hygeine and nutrition (it is airborne spread), cases have persistently remained steady until the 1960s.
2. Measles deaths declined, because antibiotics and superior medical care, including ventilation, helped reduce numbers of deaths down to around 500 per year, where they levelled off. Most of those deaths were from encephalitis, which cannot be minimised by good medical care.
3. Measles cases then dropped from 500,000 a year down to several thousands each year in the 1960s, thanks to vaccination.
4. With dramatically fewer cases of measles, even those severe cases which were untreatable (and likely to die) also declined to just a few dozen each year, so measles mortality dropped to near zero.
https://ibb.co/3Ky0WhM
Wrong. You dont threat measles with antibiotics moron. And the medical treatment and protocol for measles pre vaccines was "go home and get some rest"
Two measles are affected by hygeine and nutrition. EVERYTHING is. if you have bad hygeine you are awash with pathogens and decayed cell parts that will wreak havoc on your health and immune system. And without proper nutrition you will have no strength to live let alone fight off infection
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
https://dissolvingillusions.com/graphs-images/
As your link and mind show - mortality rates had dropped 98% before vaccines appeared on the market. So whatever we were doing was working EFFICIENTLY before vaccines
IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH VACCINES thats the point your graph proves
Measles is a mild illness for healthy children, Thats why its appearance was a joke on sitcoms
https://rumble.com/v4cgput-brady-bunch-measles-episode.html
And American parents routinely took their kids to measles and chicken pox parties to get infected and suffer through to life long immunity
Measles suppresses the immune system, so secondary bacterial infections become easier to get in measles survivors. Those secondary infections were susceptible to antibiotics, which drove down death rates. Now of course we have multi-drug resistant bacteria that evolved, and can infect measles survivors. Those who recently got wild measles infections will continue to be at risk for years from measles immune amnesia. https://asm.org/articles/2019/may/measles-and-immune-amnesia
The core lie in your link is “They clearly show that vaccines had nothing to do with the decline in death rates.”
That’d only be true if you showed all the reasons why a disease DOES kill. But that’d be to admit that yes, it’s whether a person is exposed to a virus, how much of it they get, how well their immune systems respond to the attack and the quality of other care. (George Washington apparently died from having been bled, an unscientific treatment)
We KNOW for a fact that the immune system of a vaccinated person has much better odds of withstanding a microbe invader, and in turn, a well-vaccinated person is much less likely to spread the virus to others
We FURTHER know for a fact that not every person gets vaccinated all at once and that many diseases show up-and-down patterns in when a disease works its way into a population.
Ie, ALL of the major issues in disease fatality are directly reduced by the population (and outsiders who could bring it in) being vaccinated, although in a complicated way
Your “this clearly shows” is garbage
>We KNOW for a fact that the immune system of a vaccinated person has much better odds of withstanding a microbe invader, and in turn, a well-vaccinated person is much less likely to spread the virus to others
Am going ignore your drivel and address this myth
#Harvard-Westlake students were vaccinated. Dozens caught whooping cough anyway
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-whooping-cough-vaccine-20190316-story.html
But all of the sick students had been vaccinated against the disease, according to school officials. In fact, all 90 people who have recently come down with pertussis — the official name for whooping cough — in Los Angeles County this year had been immunized against it, according to county officials.
Eighteen students there have not been vaccinated against pertussis, but none of them has caught the illness, school spokesman Ari Engelberg said.
Clue #1....without vaccination, its feasible all of the students would have caught it.
Clue #2....When all drivers wear seatbelts, you will find that all the recorded deaths are in those who wear seatbelts. But without seatbelts, the death toll would have been far higher. (Base rate fallacy)
Do you wear a seatbelt, Rombios???
If so, why???
>without vaccination, its feasible all of the students would have caught it
Eighteen students there have not been vaccinated against pertussis, but none of them has caught the illness, school spokesman Ari Engelberg said.
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-whooping-cough-vaccine-20190316-story.html
>Do you wear a seatbelt, Rombios??? If so, why???
Seat belts; shit for brains ..
1) are not liability shielded
2) I can undo a seatbelt any time I want. I take it off and my body remains unchanged from when i put it on.
You cant undo a jab you moron
Your own link puts the lie to your false claims, by noting vaccines ARE effective but protection wanes after several years
https://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/protection-from-the-tdap-vaccine-doesnt-last-very-long-201602099202 puts numbers to it: the TDaP vaccine is 70% effective for a while, but declines to maybe 10% after a few years
Nb: my link has thoughtful reasons, ideas for dealing with it
Meanwhile your style of poo-flinging maybe works fine at 𝕏 but is ill-suited to Substack: it’s obvious you didn’t even try to refute my pointing out you made a useless case with your charts, so you try to change the subject with another false claim that because some vaccines wane in effectiveness, no vaccine is helpful. Gish Galloping (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop?wprov=sfti1#Strategy) at its stinkiest
If you’re going to attack literal centuries of science, including scientists who are household names for their great work in immunology—Pasteur, Fleming, Salk, Sabin and more who’ve been key to eliminating or hugely reducing rabies, smallpox, polio, even measles until your ilk caused people to stop vaccinating their kids on schedule—you need more than the flimsy stupidity of a Wakefield, who’s INfamous for his fraudulent anti-vax grifting that RFKJr runs with
You need, IOW, to be a better liar. Or just acknowledge history and get out of the way of progress
Love this
Then youd love this as well
Eighteen students there have NOT BEEN VACCINATED against pertussis, but NONE of them has CAUGHT the illness, school spokesman Ari Engelberg said.
https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-ln-whooping-cough-vaccine-20190316-story.html
That six year old article makes no case at all that children shouldn't receive DPT vaccine.
You're anemic.
rombios <-- LYING ANTIVAX LIAR.
Nothing to see here.
BillyBob <------- over paid and soon to be unemployed pharma shill
Stay tuned for his comedic posts
This silly little thing has just spent a dozen responses debunking himself.
Pretty funny.
Maybe we should give the tiny tot a rest, hey?
Cope
Don’t you have the flu vaccine?
Am too smart to take that nonsense. But those who died of it surely wish they didn't take it
Hey, Rombios...tell us again how viruses don't exist, will you?
I'm in need of a laugh having been listening to Trump and Vance recently.
https://youtu.be/HJ3s6CQWnMc
Thats how an American President should behave!!!
>Hey, Rombios...tell us again how viruses don't exist, will you?
Go debate Pfizer Exec Dr Mike Yeadon. Hes on Substack. Am sure he wouldd love to hear your convincing arguments
https://open.substack.com/pub/drmikeyeadon/p/fph-the-arguments-for-no-virus
https://lionessofjudah.substack.com/p/dr-mike-yeadon-im-officially-done
>I'm in need of a laugh having been listening to Trump and Vance recently
No suprise how you voted. Birds of a feather.
No shock you voted for that mental midget Khametoes Harris and her Soyboy running partner
Not suprised at all
This data is over 50 years old...
If you are commenting it suggests you read dr Offitts column. If you choose a crackpot over science that’s your prorogative but please spread your lies elsewhere
Before the first measles vaccine was licensed in 1963 there were 500 deaths each year of previously healthy children from measles in the US. Measles is not a trivial illness. Yes, it takes two doses of the vaccine to insure immunity, but that immunity is enduring and protective. A death from measles is a preventable death.
What is disappointing about RFK's response is 1) he doesn't know the simple facts, 2) his remarks are dismissive, and 3) he isn't urging an intervention which is known to be effective. Likewise it is disappointing that in this ferocious influenza season, he has chosen to discontinue public health messages about immunization.
The first year of life in any child is the time for the discovery of issues - be they developmental or medical or general issues of thriving. During that first year, many immunizations are provided to insure, as best as possible a healthy childhood. It is not surprising that a parent would associate the recognition of a medical or developmental problem with the administration of a vaccine. Association is not causation. My heart goes out to any parent who faces challenging medical issues in their children. There is nothing more important than our children and children everywhere. However, causation has to be studied by comparing immunized and unimmunized children and these studies have not shown that vaccines are detrimental.
I have been practicing pediatrics for more than 50 years. I have seen the near eradication of many infectious diseases and a meaningful reduction in cervical cancer from HPV vaccines. Vaccines for children have been one of the most significant public health achievements of the 20th century. We will be a sorry society if we don't continue to champion the current vaccines and support the development of new vaccines.
I would add to your comment that "critical thinking" demands "critical data." A search for a demonstrated relationship between HBV vaccination in infants and resultant autoimmune diseases renders 42 pages of citations in the National Library of Medicine, the vast majority of which is irrelevant. The few citations (2009 & 2010) that do speak to the point, refer to a very minor risk elevation in MS in females, but concluded further research was necessary. A single citation (2011) found no association with Type 1 Diabetes. A review titled, "Do Vaccines Have a Role as a Cause of Autoimmune Neurological Syndromes?" concluded,
"Although the rarity of autoimmune diseases makes it difficult to strictly exclude that, albeit exceptionally, some vaccines may induce an autoimmune neurological disease, no definitive demonstration of a potential role of vaccines in causing autoimmune neurological syndromes is presently available. Consequently, the fear of neurological autoimmune disease cannot limit the use of the most important preventive measure presently available against infectious diseases."
Principi, N. and Esposito, S. (2020) Do Vaccines Have a Role as a Cause of Autoimmune Neurological Syndromes? Front.PublicHealth8:361. doi:10.3389/fpubh.2020.00361
Finally, the gold standard for evidence-based medicine - the Cochrane Library (https://www.cochranelibrary.com) - who accepts no outside funding whatsoever, concludes that, one,
"Existing evidence on the safety and effectiveness of MMR/MMRV vaccines support their use for mass immunisation. Campaigns aimed at global eradication should assess epidemiological and socioeconomic situations of the countries as well as the capacity to achieve high vaccination coverage. More evidence is needed to assess whether the protective effect of MMR/MMRV could wane with time since immunisation."
And two,
"Our review shows that MMR, MMRV and MMR+V vaccines are effective in preventing the infection of children by measles, mumps, rubella and chickenpox, with no evidence of an increased risk of autism or encephalitis and a small risk of febrile seizure."
Di Pietrantonj C, Rivetti A, Marchione P, Debalini MG, Demicheli V. Vaccines for measles, mumps, rubella, and varicella in children. Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews 2021, Issue 11. Art. No.: CD004407. DOI: 10.1002/14651858.CD004407.pub5.
Thank you.
Cia Parker needs to read this so she stops spreading deadly disinformation about vaccinations.
Very well said and thank you for saying it. :)
But I think he does know. Medical scientists have been giving him the facts and the evidence for 20 years now! He cannot not know the facts. He is simply lying at this point. His income and prominence depend on his anti-vaccination stance. It seems he is happy to trade the health and lives of children to maintain his income. Spare no thought for him, he is a despicable human being.
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
450 deaths from measles a year out of three to four million cases. That is very low mortality.
Except for the families concerned, especially since it is a preventable disease and if 95%+ of adults are population are vaccinated stops the virus in its tracks. Also there are other non fatal but disabling effects and in rare cases a terminal disease develops 7-10 years after the acute infection.
Measles is a notifiable disease in the U.K. , thus we have statistics available. The vaccine was introduced to the U.K. in 1968.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/measles-deaths-by-age-group-from-1980-to-2013-ons-data/measles-notifications-and-deaths-in-england-and-wales-1940-to-2013
It’s amazing how cavalier and non empathetic people can be about mortality rates of preventable diseases when it’s not personally impacting them.
Equally amazing how so many wear blinders so as not to see the vaccine-ravaged.
There’s a man who has obesity…Oh, he must be “vaccine-ravaged”!
And there’s someone with a hereditary genetic defect…poor “vaccine-ravaged” girl!
And my 85 year old neighbour got prostate cancer…Shame! He’s vaccine-ravaged!”
Yes Cia, when you stupidly think every anomaly known to medicine can be laid at the door of those evil shots, you do see the “vaccine-ravaged” everywhere you look.
The families destroyed by vaccine damage are even more distraught. First, because they are mortified to think that they had been WARNED about vaccine damage, but did it anyway, and can never forgive themselves. Second, because unlike a death, from which you gradually recover, vaccine damage is forever, a constant reminder of what you squandered and inflicted.
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
Oh look, a non referenced graph from an anti vaccine propaganda website. Confronted with these overwhelming pictures with absolutely no sources cited, call me convinced.
DR Suzanne Humpheries and Dr Thomas Cowan (among others) have written about this subject. Their books contain references to sourced data from Health Ministries and Data kept since 1900
But you are a provaxxer. You morons don't read books and research material so I just post the link to the graphs to make my point instead
Dr. Suzanne Humphries (yeah, you can't even spell your hero's name!) and Dr. Thomas Cowan are goddamn fringe doctors whose claims have been repeatedly and completely debunked.
Cowan does not even believe viruses cause disease.
Both are goddamn cranks
Rombios I am not pro anything. Like most of us, I am just trying to stay as informed as possible.
I admit I have been facetious and “trolling” in our interactions. I was just feeding off of your energy. Honestly, I meant no insult or harm.
I actually do read as much as I can on several topics. I am generally a curious person. Saying I do not read is just an unsubstantiated assumption and insult on your behalf. I don’t take offense though. Reading some of your other posts, it’s apparent that a lot of your rebuttals and arguments quickly turn into insidious insults.
“Research” is a very broad and undefined term this day and age. It can mean reading and accurately interpreting peer reviewed literature, watching YouTube videos, reading books by charlatans, sharing people’s anecdotal experiences or browsing Internet forums.
I am sure the people you have mentioned have wrote some compelling literature. Lots of people have. I have not read anything from them that I am aware of. But I do not doubt there are some merits to their writing.
Take care.
Those LYING graphs again.
Truth hurts.
It took that knowledge to wake me up (along with 40 books written on this subject).
It remains posted in the hopes it will help others too
Yes, it helps...
...helps everyone see how gullible and stupid you are.
450 deaths in children is NOT a "very low" mortality. What is wrong with you? You are so blindly against vaccination that you are prepared to accept 450 deaths a year from a vaccination-preventable disease? WTF is wrong with you?
In any case, the death rate in 3rd world countries is 1 in 10, reduced in developed nations to 1 in a 1000.
So, you are also LYING, which makes this even more despicable.
Her brain is wired differently to others.
Out of three to four million cases a year. That’s low mortality.
"Out of three to four million cases a year. That’s low mortality."
BECAUSE of vaccinations!
GET THAT THROUGH YOU THICK SKULL!
The NUMBER of deaths is low BECAUSE of VACCINATIONS!
But the mortality RATE is still 1 in 1000.
Unvaccinated idiots will still die at the RATE of 1 in 1000 if they get measles!
The number of measles cases in USA runs in the dozens to few hundred yearly, dunce.
There was a peak in 2019 of about 1200.
Why? Your unnecessary offensive insults make people dismiss whatever you have to say as just angry dribble. You lose credibility as someone who is more emotional than constructive. It's a shame some commenters hide behind made up names so they can be rude and incite people. How does that add to science or debate? There are actually people reading who may want to understand both sides and read helpful commentary or debate so they can think for themselves. Someone like you just wants to shut it down and insult people. That gets us nowhere.
And now two deaths in less than 200 cases in Texas and New Mexico. So I guess our health care system has wildly degraded in its ability to provide supportive care to measles patients compared to the 1950s and 1960s, eh?
That’s 450 deaths a year more than are caused by the MMR vaccine.
Just tens of thousands a year rendered autistic. Oh, well. As long as you can ignore it, and ignore the billions and billions a year it will cost to feed and house them once the parents die. Then you will say Why didn’t anyone tell me?
Repeating disgraced Wakefield's lies make you a liar too. Shame on your mendacity.
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
Dr Offit
I commend your resolve to speak truth to truth, while being verbally assaulted by on-line vitriol that is anything but civil.
Those who choose to shout back at me, save your energy my comment is simply to laud Dr Offit's commitment to the health of your fellow Americans & ask for his comment to my question.
Dr. Offit
I have asked other knowledgeable contributers to Substack as to the risk of newborns being infected with measles prior to being vaccinated 🙏🤞
The paradigm as I had understood the newborn has (most often) passive immunity for measles until ~ 9 months but I have recently learned this is not the case.
In fact, passive immunity be it from natural or vaccination wains within several months...3-4 mo's, compounded by a difference related to the mothers source of immunity .
We obviously cannot vaccinate the pregnant mom & vaccinating the newborn (less than 6-9 mo's) presents additional challenges with their retained immunity going forward.
Thank you in advance for your consideration. JJF Phm 🇨🇦
If the measles vaccination rate is above 95% there is virtually no risk to children under the age of 1.
Maternal antibodies start to wane around 3 to 6 months of age. By 6 months, most infants have antibody levels below the protective threshold, making them susceptible to measles if exposed. So, if you are travelling to a country with a low measles vaccination rate, a dose of measles vaccine for children between 6 and 12 months of age is recommended. That could also apply if you intend visiting US states with low measles vaccination rates especially if there is a measles outbreak.
However, a child can become infected before 6 months and vaccinations are not recommended below this age because of immunological immaturity, so always keep your child safe, especially during an outbreak. Childcare is a particular risk in areas with low vaccination rates
In the U.K. MMR is administered when the infant turns 1 with a booster at 3 years 4 months
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/routine-childhood-immunisation-schedule/routine-childhood-immunisations-from-february-2022-born-on-or-after-1-january-2020
https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/immunizations/Pages/Protecting-Your-Baby-from-a-Measles-Outbreak-FAQs.aspx
Last I checked it wasn't mandatory
No vaccine or medical intervention is mandatory in the U.K. the only vaccination that was mandatory prior to the establishment of the NHS was smallpox.
And look how THAT turned out. It's failure in Leichester was the birth of the anti vaxx movement
By the way it’s Leicester, I know because I live 10 miles away and used to work in the city.
“ Leicester actually escaped relatively lightly, with 370 cases - a rate of 20.5 cases per 10,000 of the population - resulting in 21 deaths. This was a far lower figure of cases than in some well-vaccinated towns like Warrington (125) and Sheffield (144).
Anti-vaccinationists were triumphant, claiming the Leicester method had been proven.
Mr Tetro said: "The so-called marvellous success of the Leicester method was based on the fact it used a tried and true method of notification and quarantine in combination with the benefit of a hospital and the use of a type of ring vaccination in which healthcare staff were vaccinated.
"In a small population, this can work but as the population grows, this method becomes untenable.
"This was seen in 1893 when people had to resort to staying at home instead of being cared for in a hospital during an epidemic that led to hundreds of infections."”
For the full history you need to read this:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-50713991
No.this does
1) https://lettreelectronique.wordpress.com/2021/11/25/mises-wiresmallpox-the-historical-myths-behind-mandatory-vaccines
2) https://thevaccinereaction.org/2017/05/dr-vernon-coleman-on-how-the-smallpox-vaccine-did-not-eradicate-smallpox
3) https://viroliegy.com/2022/01/05/was-smallpox-really-eradicated
He's only concern is to protect the position of his rotavirus vaccine (and licensing agreement) on the CDC vaccination schedule
rombios <-- LYING ANTIVAX LIAR.
Nothing to see here.
What’s the licensing agreement have to do with Paul at this point? He was a co inventor but his work was done under Children's Hospital of Philadelphia who sold the patent. He sold any of his interests around 2010 didn’t he?
Yes the patent was sold off over 15 years ago to Pharma. He makes no money from it now.
No he still collects. Thats part of the licensing agreement and why he defends the CDC vaccination schedule of which his rotavirus vaccine is a part of
This has repeated been shown not to be true...move on to civil discourse.
Believe what you choose just to share with your loved ones nor your neighbours. JJF 🇨🇦
No it hasn't
I am not anti-vaccine… But I am a critical thinker, and my daughter, my first born, ended up with a rare autoimmune disorder as a baby after she had the hepatitis B series… Vaccines do injure people, people need to be smart and know their family histories, and physicians need to be smarter and work with people so that they don'tinjure their patients with vaccines. It's not black-and-white and I can't believe that physicians actually think it is, that is the real harm.
"I am not anti-vaccine…"
YOU are ANTI-VACCINE.
"But I am a critical thinker"
YOU are not a critical thinker.
A critical thinker would follow the childhood vaccination schedule.
"my first born, ended up with a rare autoimmune disorder"
No vaccine has ever caused an autoimmune disorder.
"It's not black-and-white a"
It IS black and white.
If you do not immunise your children you are putting your child at risl of death from a vaccine-preventable disease
Seriously?? "No vaccine has ever caused an autoimmune disorder" Really?? And the nerve of you to attempt to label me when you dont even know me. Myself and all my children are fully vaccinated. After my the experience with my first born, we chose a slower schedule with my other kids but they are all caught up now, no harm was caused by taken precaution. Dr. Sear's famous baby book even says if you have a family history of autoimmune talk to your doctor and consider a slower or alternative schedule. Maybe we could avoid some of the hundreds of thousands of childhood diseases that have become an epidemic, if any pediatrician actually ever asked these questions and stopped blindly jabbing our youth with ridiculous amounts of toxin and over stimulation to immature immune systems. But there is a large contingency of the population that chooses to be intentionally ignorant, like yourself. That is your prerogative. But its also my prerogative if I want to be more responsible for my own health. Its my body after-all. And its my body, my choice what I want to inject and put in it, and my health history is different than yours so I might not choose something because of that family history or genetics. And you are so wrong, science isn't always black and white. No critical thinker would blindly follow any medicine without doing their legwork. I have a degree in biology and nursing
"Seriously?? "No vaccine has ever caused an autoimmune disorder" Really??"
YES. No vaccine has ever caused an autoimmune disorder. Ever.
"And the nerve of you to attempt to label me when you dont even know me."
You lied about vaccines. That makes you an antivaxxer. Period. If you don't want to be know as an antivaxxer, don't lie about vaccines, it's that simple.
"we chose a slower schedule with my other kids"
You are not a critical thinker.
A child is exposed to about 320 antigens in 5 years by following the wel-researched Childhood vaccination schedule.
A child is exposed to about 2000-6000 antigens every day from the environment.
It makes NO SENSE to spread out the vaccinations. All you do is expose your child to unnecessary risk. That is poor critical thinking.
"Dr. Sear's"
Dr Robert Sears is a crank.
"says if you have a family history of autoimmune talk to your doctor and consider a slower or alternative schedule."
He is spreading vaccine misinformation. Vaccinations do NOT cause autoimmune disease.
"if any pediatrician actually ever asked these questions and stopped blindly jabbing our youth with ridiculous amounts of toxin and over stimulation to immature immune systems."
The paediatricians who are also scientists - and not cranks like Robert Sears - have asked and answered these questions. See above. 200 antigens over 5 years is not "a ridiculous amount" - and they are not "toxins" antivaxxer - when the environment challenges children with 2000-6000 antigens every day! You are spreading antivax misinformation, antivaxxer.
"there is a large contingency of the population that chooses to be intentionally ignorant,"
Clearly that is you. You have absolutely no background in science or medicine. Am I right? Of course, I am. You can't learn about medical science by reading a book written by an anti-science crank. Sorry.
" I have a degree in biology and nursing"'
Your education has been wasted on you. Worse, you are a nurse spreading vaccine misinformation. How much damage that has caused you will probably never know. Children may have died as a result of you telling them against expert advice by paediatric medical scientists, to spread out the vaccinations when we KNOW that this is not necessary. A lot of research has gone into the childhood vaccination schedule and you've ignored it all because of something you read in a book by an anti-science crank. That is professionally irresponsible.
"Its my body after-all."
Your child's body is not your body.
But there is a large contingency of the population that chooses to be intentionally ignorant, like yourself. That is your prerogative. But its also my prerogative if I want to be more responsible for my own health. Its my body after-all. And its my body, my choice what I want to inject and put in it, and my health history is different than yours so I might not choose something because of that family history or genetics. And you are so wrong, science isn't always black and white. No critical thinker would blindly follow any medicine without doing their legwork. I have a degree in biology and nursing
This is your source for vaccine information:
Rober Sears, known is an American pediatrician noted for his unorthodox and dangerous views on childhood vaccination. While Sears acknowledges the efficacy of vaccines, he has proposed alternative vaccination schedules that depart from accepted medical recommendations. His proposals are not supported by medical evidence and have contributed to dangerous under-vaccination in the national child population.
Dr. Paul Offit: "Sears sounds many antivaccine messages in his book"
Dr. Emily Willingham dismissed The Vaccine Book as "non-evidence-based".
Dr. Rahul Parikh: "Sears understanding of vaccines is deeply flawed ... his Vaccine Book is a nightmare for pediatricians like me and is peppered with misleading innuendo and factual errors ... Sears misleads parents ... using "tactics like soft science, circular logic, reporting rumors and outright falsehoods"
Dr. Peter Lipson: "Sears is an example of a dangerous doctor.... Despite his protestations that he is not 'anti-vaccine', his language and his recommendations very clearly guide parents to be suspicious of vaccination and to avoid the safe and effective recommended vaccination schedule."
Dr. Arthur Caplan: "Sears is an anti-vaxx pediatrician who favors alternative medicine [alternative medicine is not backed by evidence]"
On June 27, 2018, the Medical Board of California placed Sears on 35 months of probation after he settled a case in which the Medical Board accused him of writing a doctor's note exempting a two-year-old child from vaccinations without obtaining the basic information necessary for decision making prior to excluding the possibility of future vaccines, leaving the patient and his mother, as well as future contacts, at risk for preventable and communicable diseases. Sears is required to take
- 40 hours of medical education courses annually.
- attend an ethics class.
- be monitored by a supervising doctor.
- must notify hospitals and facilities of the order.
- restrictions on supervising physician assistants and nurse practitioners.
This is the anti-science crank from whom you take advice.
Bwahaa the over paid pharma shill.
You don't get tell a parent what they will or will not do.
Following the CDC vaccination is tantamount to a death sentence for your child in the worst case or outright stunted development otherwise. Only a fool would pollute their bloodstream and damage their natural immunity with liability shielded drugs (only vaccines)
That's why NONE of my children are vaccinated and never will as long as I draw breath
There are over 1200 adverse events admitted to by the drug companies. Some of these include paralysis and death.
Damages to your child are your problem as you can't take action directly against those manufacturers
VICP has paid out over 5 billion in compensation from less than 1% of reports ...RFKjr vows to make VAERS mandatory so imagine when 99% report their problems
www.openvaers.com
And of course vaccines are proven useless since 98% of mortality rates from childhood illnesses decreased before vaccines were introduced
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
And the largest increase of chronic diseases occurred after we went from 6 $$$shots to 72 $$$hots
Anyone who starts a post with Bwahaa is a serious individual and means business.
Thanks for coming to my Ted talk
That’s actually funny as hell rombios.
What “rare autoimmune disorder?”
“I am a critical thinker” wrote no one normal.
Wow, such a pompous comment. "You sound like a good person"
said no one to you ever
Which rare autoimmune disorder?
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
It's $$$$
The fact that these LIABILITY shielded drugs are still being pumped into children blows my mind
They are not liability shielded drugs, even in the USA. In fact the legislation from the mid 1980’s has a very low bar when it comes to the federal government paying out compensation, Paul Offit explained this a while ago on the microbe tv channel on YouTube.
You clearly dont know what a liability shield is.
Point is; vaccines have a special legistlation (that circumvents our justice system) that NO OTHER DRUGS OR PRODUCTS in the United States enjoy
That should give you pause. Massive red flags
Imagine if Vioxx or Phen-fen (given the deaths and damages they caused before getting pulled off the market) were protected by the national childhood vaccination act/CARES act/PREP act?
As I understand it there’s nothing stopping an American citizen from suing the pharmaceutical companies, which I got from a Paul Offit has said previously.
Correct.
For vaccines on the childhood schedule, claims for vaccine damage have to be assessed by the NVICP first (vaccine court). This is funded through an excise tax levied off the Pharma manufacturers.
All costs to plaintiffs including their lawyers charges are covered.
If claims fail, plaintiffs can then seek litigation against the manufacturers directly, but few bother to do so, since if you fail to pass the low hurdle of NVCIP (where proof of causation is NOT required), it’s almost certain a federal court litigation would fail.
>If claims fail, plaintiffs can then seek litigation against the manufacturers directly,
NO you cant!
Thats what liability shielding means
>but few bother to do so, since if you fail to pass the low hurdle of NVCIP (where proof of causation is NOT required), it’s almost certain a federal court litigation would fail.
THis is ANOTHER lie
Its a special CLOSED court - a deviation from our (standard justice system that requires a discovery process to gather and ascertain facts) ... made worse by
a number of SEVERITY CLAUSES (one of which include displaying residual effects and disability for at least 6 months ; another is that they must show proof the disability resulted in impatient hospitalization and surgical intervention
this is your LOW hurdle?
again - the heartlessness of you vaccine pharma whores never ceases to amaze me - but carry on.
In the end it doesnt really matter because parents who do their research and learn about all this - just opt out of vaccination all together as that is the only sensible approach to dealing with indemnified products
Is this what happened with Hannah Poling, whom I’d never heard of until Rombios mentioned her?
>As I understand it there’s nothing stopping an American citizen from suing the pharmaceutical companies,
I would ask you to check out the NCVA/CARES/PREP acts but this captures it quite nicely
headline
You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
>which I got from a Paul Offit has said previously.
That was your FIRST mistake
He doesnt even follow his own advise
https://covidreason.substack.com/p/paul-offit-im-not-getting-this-years
Neither do the others
https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/f_auto/https%3A%2F%2Fsubstack-post-media.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F99b63013-8b6f-457e-aa9f-9ee72f134c88_1230x1216.jpeg
As you obviously know I am not an American but English, therefore I don’t know the minutia of their legislation and depend on others to inform me, the same as I wouldn’t expect an American to know the minutia of our laws as they pertain to public health or vaccine injury claims.
AND !!! The big pharma argument is really tired now. They’re not above reproach but childhood vaccines is not the next Tesla, or crypto, or AI
Vaccines have saved huge numbers of lives. The eradication of deadly smallpox alone was a huge accomplishment.
That's a lie.
Dr Cole
One of the medical professions greatest boasts is that it eradicated smallpox through the use of a vaccine. I myself believed this claim for many years. But it isn’t true.
One of the worst smallpox epidemics of all time took place in England between 1870 and 1872 - nearly two decades after compulsory vaccination was introduced. After this evidence that smallpox vaccination didn't work the people of Leicester in the English Midlands refused to have the vaccine any more. When the next smallpox epidemic struck in the early 1890s the people of Leicester relied upon good sanitation and a system of quarantine. There was only one death from smallpox in Leicester during that epidemic. In contrast the citizens of other towns (who had been vaccinated) died in vast numbers.
Obligatory vaccination against smallpox was introduced in Germany as a result of state by-laws, but these vaccination programmes had no influence on the incidence of the disease. On the contrary, the smallpox epidemic continued to grow and in 1870 Germany had the gravest smallpox epidemic in its history. At that point the new German Reich introduced a new national law making vaccination against smallpox an even stricter legal requirement. The police were given the power to enforce the new law.
German doctors (and medical students) are taught that it was the Reich Vaccination Law which led to a dramatic reduction in the incidence of smallpox in Germany. But a close look at the figures shows that the incidence of smallpox had already started to fall before the law came into action. And the legally enforced national smallpox vaccination programme did not eradicate the disease.
Doctors and drug companies may not like it but the truth is that surveillance, quarantine and better living conditions got rid of smallpox - not the smallpox vaccine.
When the international campaign to rid the world of smallpox was at its height the number of cases of smallpox went up each time there was a large scale (and expensive) mass vaccination of populations in susceptible countries. As a result of this the strategy was changed. Mass vaccination programmes were abandoned and replaced with surveillance, isolation and quarantine.
The myth that smallpox was eradicated through a mass vaccination programme is just that - a myth. Smallpox was eradicated through identifying and isolating patients with the disease.
Idiot.
🤪🤪🤪
You proving her correct? Thanks?
Doctor COLE!!! Too funny.
BillBob, even funnier
rombios not even funny.
Especially when children are their victims.
A thoroughly disgusting human being.
Pot Kettle Black
Whats disgusting is calling loving parents (who have pointed out the damage to their childrens health after vaccination) liars and uncaring.
All so you can defend your handlers steady $ paycheck
Theres a special place in hell for the likes of you and if you ever have children kharma may make its visit
In the end youve got RFKjr at the HHS and similar minded truth seekers to staff the FDA/NIH/CDC
Lets see how lolng your denials can withstand the tsunami of data thats coming
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-50713991 Tells the whole story
No.this does
1) https://lettreelectronique.wordpress.com/2021/11/25/mises-wiresmallpox-the-historical-myths-behind-mandatory-vaccines
2) https://thevaccinereaction.org/2017/05/dr-vernon-coleman-on-how-the-smallpox-vaccine-did-not-eradicate-smallpox
3) https://viroliegy.com/2022/01/05/was-smallpox-really-eradicated
What is REALLY tired is the "Pharma Shill" argument.
Go back to sleep, son.
Where is the compassion for deaths and injuries from the MMR vaccine and ALL the other vaccines? I have a profoundly disabled daughter caused by vaccine injury and dozens of friends with disabled and dead children. Or do they not matter? RFKjr: “I want people to think when they use the term “antivax parent” they should be thinking of a parent with a disabled child because THAT’S WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE”
"deaths ... from the MMR vaccine"
THAT is a BLATANT LIE.
NOBODY has ever died from the MMR vaccine.
"Where is the compassion for deaths and injuries from ... the other vaccines?"
They are compensated through the vaccine court.
"I have a profoundly disabled daughter caused by vaccine injury and dozens of friends with disabled and dead children."
You couldn't possibly have that many friends that you have dozens who are vaccine injured.
You are BLATANTLY LYING.
" RFKjr: “I want people to think when they use the term “antivax parent” they should be thinking of a parent with a disabled child because THAT’S WHO THESE PEOPLE ARE”"
That filthy creature has been lying about vaccines for 25 years. He makes millions of dollars every year from his anti-vaccine activities. YOU are nothing more than a USEFUL FOOL to him.
"They are compensated through the vaccine court." BS Have you ever tried fighting a case in vaccine court? I personally know several families with documented injury cases that were thrown out. So, you're saying as long as vaccine court pays for deaths and injuries it's OK??? What about the families and children? You people are nut jobs. And guess who IS supporting these INJURED adult children now? THE TAXPAYERS. The only one lying here is the pharma shills. RFKjr has stood by families of vaccine injured children for years, and NO he's not making "millions of dollars" from us (most of us are flat broke raising children who were injured). Keep your delusional thoughts to yourself, nobody in their right mind believes your nonsense any longer.
I don't believe you. About 75% of cases are settled so they don't have to deal with lying loons like you.
"I personally know several families with documented injury cases that were thrown out."
You don't know sh!t.
The decisions actually favour the applicant who really only needs to show a reasonable timeline from vaccination to claimed adverse effect. In other words, they only need to show correlation and not necessarily causation. This is a far lower level than anyone will face in a civil trial.
And there are whole lists of adverse effects that are just routinely paid out with set amounts of fair compensation - considering that the vaccination may have saved your life! - to ensure everyone gets something and not just the wealthy few who can afford expensive lawyers.
"So, you're saying as long as vaccine court pays for deaths and injuries it's OK???"
Stop lying about what I'm saying.
The mortality rate of the mRNA vaccines is far less than 1 in 1 million.
The mortality rate of the infection is 6,800 in a million.
I am asking YOU to apply some fairly base level reasoning!
Okay, I know I'm asking a lot.
You wouldn't need a special court if they were truly safe and effective moron
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
"You wouldn't need a special court if they were truly safe and effective"
You have no idea how moronic that comment is, do you, tiny tot?
Here's a hint:
- Mortality rate of the COVID-19 vaccination: far less than 1 in 1 million.
- Mortality rate of the COVID-19 infection: 6,800 in i million.
- You are guaranteed to get the infection eventually in which case your survival is improved by 95% if you are vaccinated.
Blah blah blah blah. We are not talking about Mortality rates for a flu derivative with a 99.7% revovery rate.
The issue is about liability shielding for drugs
No other drugs (except vaccines) enjoy liability shielding in the U.S so
**You wouldn't need a special court and special laws if they were truly safe and effective you moron**
Thats the NUMBER one reason I avoid them.
Before the Vaccine Court was established, some individuals who could afford to hire expensive lawyers got multi-million-dollar settlements that nearly sent vaccine some manufacturers bankrupt and forced all but a few into giving up manufacturing the life-saving vaccines, thereby threatening the supply of these life-saving vaccines to the public.
The Vaccine Court spread out the compensation to a far wider group of people and established which claimed adverse effects were supported by evidence as opposed to adverse effects for which there was no evidence. And the court sided on balance with the applicants in borderline cases.
The result was
1) fair compensation for everyone, not just a select few.
2) compensation only for claimed adverse effects backed by evidence.
3) no legal fees for applicants.
4) the ability to sue privately if you disagreed with the court's decision.
5) drug companies were able continue manufacturing vaccines.
6) the public was able to continue to receive vaccines.
7) ambulance chasing lawyers demanding huge fees were side-lined.
8) the whole thing was paid for by a 75 cent surcharge on every precription.
This is one of the most sensible legal decisions in US history and a win for all.
Absolutely correct, but #8 the excise tax levied is 75 cents for each *component* of a vaccine [prescription], so one MMR shot means $2.25.
You are a baffoon.
You wouldnt need a special court if they were safe and effective moron.
There are multi-million dollar settlements for damages from many drugs pulled off the market without liability shielding such as Vioxx and Phenfen to name a few. So what?
The SEVERITY clauses in the VICP alone are engineered to waylay the less than 1% of reported adverse events. And thete is a cap on damage awards
Best approach is dont vaccinate - keep your children healthy and developmentally sound.
https://open.substack.com/pub/lionessofjudah/p/major-study-unvaccinated-are-healthiest
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/40
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
Wayne Rhodes book:
"the vaccine court: the dark truth about Americas vaccine injury compensation program" was an EYE OPENER
A special closed adversarial "court", with a number of SEVERITY CLAUSES (one of which include displaying residual effects and disability for at least 6 months ; another is that they must show proof the disability resulted in impatient hospitalization and surgical intervention)
My wife and I knew then we were never going to waste time playing this rigged game years ago when our first child was born
Ah, so your child never had any residual problems beyond 6 months and there was no proof of any disability???
No wonder you never bothered going to vaccine court.
None of my children are vaccinated for any childhood illness you dumbass
Try and keep.up
You can't see that your heartless response and refusal to acknowledge adverse events is why RFKjr sits at the HHS.
It will be why the National Childhood Vaccination Act will be repealed along with CARES and PREP acts
It's sad you can't see how your actions and those of your ilk are forcing needed change.
Keep at it.
Keep lambasting parents of vaccine injured children, it will continue to bolster the public support that will bring this whole house crashing in on your head
How does anyone know that a vaccine caused the injury? You’re just saying it doesn’t make it so.
Studies, loads of them! NIH studies...its all there. It amazes me that people think it's a bunch of crock. Do your homework before you comment.
And your denying it makes it so?.
You idiots cant see that your stubborn refusal to acknowledge the truth and hold pharmaceutical giants accountable is why RFKjr sits at the HHS and why this whole vaccine nonesense house of cards will be brought down to it's knees
Each parent you deny, criticize, denounce, accuse of lying bolsters the public support necessary to end this garbage
So thanks keep at it
So why a Childhood Vaccine Injury Compensation program? Are you saying vaccine injuries don’t happen? Never? They do. Just rarely acknowledged.
So, has your child been compensated through the Vaccine Court?
I assumed not because you claimed nobody has shown compassion.
Of course vaccine injuries occur. Nobody denies that. They are not 100% safe (and nothing else is either). The vast majority of reactions are mild and transient. Any lingering or serious problems post vaccine and someone can take the case to vaccine court, which is heavily tilted in favour of the plaintiffs, since there is no proof of causation required for any table injury.
For example, if your child gets GBS at any time up to 6 week after a flu shot, you don't need to prove the vaccine was the cause rather than an intercurrent illness (which is entirely feasible), all you need to do is show you have GBS and compensation automatically follows.
This is on the medical community establishment! They have made the anti vaccine generation with their vaccine policies and mandates. Yep, they own this. I’m pro vaccination but also feel everyone should be treated as an individual. Not protocol.
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
https://ibb.co/3Ky0WhM
FROM YOUR GRAPH
what caused that massive drop.in.measles death from.1900 to.1963 BEFORE the vaccine appeared.
You cant win this argument after showimg that graph
Also.thank.you.
We are at a point where that graph is front and center on.this post. Once its known about in.the rest of this country - as common.knowlege - this game is over
Finito
Every death of a child for any reason is a tragedy, the death of this six-year old girl included. Few details have been released, but some local nurses have said that health care providers have been told to vax as many as possible with MMR, including post-exposure. They are reported to have said that this previously unvaxxed girl was given the MMR when she was already symptomatic for measles, likely with a fever, which is contraindicated. She was not given vitamin A drops, which it is advisable that all measles patients do.
It was very unusual that a child die from measles, and it is likely that these two factors played an important roke in her death.
“health care providers have been told to vax as many as possible with MMR, including post-exposure.”
Good. That’s excellent news, and excellent sense.
That's interesting. Where did the reports that a Mennonite girl from a vaccine hesitant community received a vaccine post disease transmittal come from? Vitamin A is recommended by WHO for children in poor countries where the population is already deficient in Vitamin A but it’s not a panacea. As far as “it is likely that these two factors played an important role in her death”, this is some tier one ill informed Internet forum troll stuff. No body but the doctors on the ground treating these patients is in a position to diagnose and assign likely causes of death.
She’s lying. Antivax speculation on social media is trying to find something to blame on the vaccine rather than the measles virus. They are flailing.
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/lubbock-experts-advise-against-home-remedies-as-a-solution-to-the-measles/
Anyone who cares to google it will find many studies showing the benefits of two doses of A for measles patients. Yet here we see that Lubbock experts tell families to NOT give A. Boy, I can’t think of any good reason. It saves lives. The measles virus eats through existing stores of vitamin A very fast, so that even those who had enough before measles may be deficient during. I am at a loss. The only possible reason is arrogant irresponsibility. Not giving it to this girl compromised by the MMR when symptomatic for measles may have caused her death.
THIS is "arrogant irresponsibility":
"this girl compromised by the MMR when symptomatic for measles may have caused her death"
And it is rumour mongering about vaccines.
And the intent is to produce negative verbiage about the measles vaccine.
TWO DOSES OF THE MEASLES VACCINE IS 97% EFFECTIVE AT PREVENTING MEASLES.
WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING?
Something has been lost in translation in that article because the message is
1) Vitamin A does NOT PREVENT measles.
2) The measles vaccine DOES prevent measles
- 1 dose is 95% effective.
- 2 doses is 97% effective.
3) Vitamin A is part of the measles TREATMENT protocol.
STOP LYING.
Cia, it’s crucial to be careful with Vitamin A dosing isn’t it? My understanding is that it’s fat soluble, so Vitamin A toxicity is a major concern. Especially if a person with adequate levels of Vitamin A is taking exogenous doses of it.
https://www.nfid.org/what-you-should-know-about-measles-and-vitamin-a/
Good information, everyone with measles benefits from two doses of vitamin A. It is VERY strange this animus against it. One more contrasting link in a minute.
WHERE IS THE ANIMUS AGAISNT VITAMIN A?
WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING?
https://vigilantnews.com/post/texas-reports-death-of-child-who-tested-positive-for-measles-but-releases-few-details/
The outbreak is said to have started in a Mennonite community, but it has spread out from there, as contagious diseases do. It has not been reported that the girl was Mennonite. I saw something about someone having talked to a maid who worked at the girl’s house, which would suggest that the family had the means of the upper class. There are, of course, other interpretations possible.
Vitamin A is not a panacea, but it’s close. It reduces mortality by as much as 90%, prevents eye damage and blindness, and prevents complications or shortens their duration. It is used by less than half of health care providers in the US. I think it’s through arrogance, to separate Americans with measles from Third Worlders with measles. A class thing, I guess. Or maybe it’s How DARE you not take the MMR, you DESERVE to -!
I have a link, I’ll get it.
All children presenting with measles should receive:
AN AGE-APPROPRIATE DOSE OF VITAMIN A AS PART OF A COMPREHENSIVE MEASLES MANAGEMENT PROTOCOL REGARDLESS OF NUTRIONAL STATUS.
BUT...
1) Vitamins do not prevent measles.
2) Giving high doses of vitamins can be dangerous.
3) The best way to prevent measles is through vaccination.
TWO DOSES OF THE MEASLES VACCINE IS 97% EFFECTIVE AT PREVENTING MEASLES.
>1) Vitamins do not prevent measles
Neither do vacvines
Measles Can Transmit
Feb 25, 2025
http://www.globalresearch.ca/measles-transmitted-by-the-vaccinated-government-researchers-confirm/5429081
Measles in Vaccinated People: Epidemiology and Challenges in Surveillance and
Diagnosis in the Post-Elimination Phase. Spain, 2014–2020
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8537497/
Sorry...measles can transmit????
But, but...you are the guy who says viruses don't exist.
So what is being transmitted? Miasmas?
>TWO DOSES OF THE MEASLES VACCINE IS 97% EFFECTIVE AT PREVENTING MEASLES.
No its not, vaccine pusher. Stop your lies its getting tiresome
**When mortality rates to childhood illnesses have dropped by 95-98% BEFORE vaccines were introduced then it had nothing to do with vaccines**
http://vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
https://dissolvingillusions.com/graphs-images
Read, will you Dumbo.
Preventing measles cases was the point.
Failure on both counts
Measles Can Transmit
Feb 25, 2025
http://www.globalresearch.ca/measles-transmitted-by-the-vaccinated-government-researchers-confirm/5429081
Measles in Vaccinated People: Epidemiology and Challenges in Surveillance and
Diagnosis in the Post-Elimination Phase. Spain, 2014–2020
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8537497/
Cia, thanks for sharing. I just gotta say, this article is by the Children’s Health Defense, who bias in the vaccine hesitant direction. Just my opinion, but I think they seem to be more of a propaganda machine than a trusted source of credible information. The article mentions an unnamed medical doctor’s reports via third party text messages. So, this is speculation at best.
From what I have read, Vitamin A absolutely is capable of accomplishing the things you mentioned in humans who are Vitamin A deficient. This is why the WHO absolutely recommends that Vitamin A be administered as measles treatment in third world countries who suffer from malnutrition and by proxy Vitamin A deficiency. The WHO is not waging class warfare, they are making recommendations for communities outside of the US. The US is not their focus.
All of that being said, give Vitamin A to your measles afflicted children if that’s what you want to do.
I was only questioning your comment about “likely” causes of death. Especially when using a CHD article as part of the evidence.
I can see you are very concerned with the well being of these children. I can appreciate that.
It’s a bit like “There’s no need for seatbelts, because brain surgeons can sometimes help massive traumatic brain haemorrhages.”
No one trusts doctor diagnosis anymore. Especially after COVID. That profession has been captured by pharma giants
Hell they were assigning "COVID" as cause of death for motorcycle accidents, drownings, suicides, homicide 5 years ago
#Man who died in motorcycle crash counted as COVID-19 death in Florida: Report
https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report
WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING ABOUT THIS.
The person who died of a motorcycle accident was only TEMPORARILY categorised as a COVID-19 death. The death certificates that contain the final cause of death take months to work through the system so, for the real time management of the pandemic response no time is wasted and all deaths with, or as a result of, COVID-19 are TEMPORAILY classified as COVID-19 deaths because it hardly makes any difference to the total and valuable time is saved in responding to the surges in cases.
IT IS A LIE THAT THESE CASES ARE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL COVID DEATH TOLL.
>WHY DO YOU KEEP LYING ABOUT
Lol. Maybe answer your own question
#Your Coronavirus Test Is Positive. Maybe It Shouldn’t Be.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/health/coronavirus-testing.html
>IT IS A LIE THAT THESE CASES ARE INCLUDED IN THE FINAL COVID DEATH TOLL.
# Nolte: NY Times Reports Coronavirus Deaths Overcounted by 30% … on Paragraph 17
www.lewrockwell.com/political-theatre/nolte-ny-times-reports-coronavirus-deaths-overcounted-by-30-on-paragraph-17/
# Johns Hopkins Study Explodes COVID Death Hoax; It’s Re-Labeling on a Grand Scale
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/jon-rappoport/johns-hopkins-study-explodes-covid-death-hoax-its-re-labeling-on-a-grand-scale/
# In Colorado, They're Counting Gun Shot Fatalities as COVID Deaths
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2020/12/17/in-colorado-theyre-counting-gun-shot-fatalities-as-covid-deaths-n2581730
# Ontario (Canada) Admits Labelling Deaths As COVID When They’re Not A Result of COVID
www.lewrockwell.com/2020/12/no_author/ontario-canada-admits-labelling-deaths-as-covid-when-theyre-not-a-result-of-covid/
# In March, US Deaths from COVID-19 Totaled Less Than 2 Percent of All Deaths
www.lewrockwell.com/2020/04/ryan-mcmaken/in-march-us-deaths-from-covid-19-totaled-less-than-2-percent-of-all-deaths/
# Minnesota lawmakers say coronavirus deaths could be inflated by 40% after reviewing death certificates
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/coronavirus-death-certificates-minnesota-inflated
# Grand County Coroner Raises Concern On Deaths Among COVID Cases
https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/12/15/grand-county-covid-deaths/
# 'The numbers are skewed': Colorado officials warn of inflated COVID death statistics
https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/numbers-are-skewed-colorado-officials-warn-inflated-covid-deaths
# Massive Pandemic Data Fraud Exposed: 40% of ‘Covid Deaths’ Were Fabricated
https://slaynews.com/news/global-pandemic-data-fraud-exposed-covid-deaths-fabricated/
# There Is No Pandemic
www.lewrockwell.com/2021/02/no_author/there-is-no-pandemic
Anomaly hunter.
Find one outlier error among a million cases, and you can ignore them all.
We go where the truth takes us. Just like Galileo in his time.
Science is not a popularity contest
No one cares what the WHO recommends. This child likely died of COMORBIDTIES but the "measles" angle gets spun to gin.up.the fear narrative
YOU ARE BLATANTLY LYING.
The indication has been that this was a healthy child.
Wrong. There is no such indication.
This child was vaccinated and immune compromised to boot
No answer???
Citation/evidence?????
Meaning? Very little has been said about her. What have you learned about her. The nurses are reported to have been shocked that she was given the MMR when she was symptomatic for measles. So last week. Since she died on Wednesday, she must have been starting to be sick at that time.
If you have additional information, please post it. I think first that the girl’s parents have already talked to a lawyer about suing the HCP and have been told not to talk about it. Also sure that Lubbock HCPs are circling the wagons themselves. If she had not been given the MMR when sick, or if she had been given vitamin A drops, I think that out of concern for public health they would have said so, as the infotmation is important for families to know during measles outbreaks. The silence is telling.
The rumour mongering is telling.
Feeling guilty for contributing to that child's death, are you?
Please confirm the following rumour mongering talking points:
1) that the child was vaccinated while symptomatic for measles.
2) that nurses were shocked (which nurses?)
3) that the parents have already talked to a lawyer about suing the HCP.
4) that the HCP is circling the wagons.
The only available public information is that the child was unvaccinated.
THAT is the detail you are desperately trying to distract from.
Because, having spread deadly disinformation about the MMR vaccination, that would make YOU at least partly responsible for that child's death .
You are just making up complete random sh1t, Cia.
Stop it.
This person assigned a likely cause of this girls death to the fact that she wasn’t given Vitamin A. So, whether they are aware of it or not, they recommend WHO guide lines. And there’s that word “likely” again. I guess you are either clairvoyant or you were on on the scene to witness the poor child’s treatment?
And no one trusts doctors diagnosis? Wow, you are potentially speaking for billions of people. I guess that makes you omnipotent. Now you’re taking about COVID? You’re all over the place little buddy.
Are you addressing me? No, I don’t trust doctors’ diagnoses. Too much politics involved.
I don’t consider myself to be dogmatic. I consider evidence and decide what I believe. I might later change my mind. I have read a lot about it and am certain that vitamin A is often lifesaving. I would not draw boundaries and say that all Third World children under one year old need it, but no First World person over the age of one. I bought a bottle of A drops on Amazon two weeks ago, just in case. It’s cheap, easy, might save your life or prevent disability.
Which comorbidity?
…having a white skin?
She is said to have died of pneumonia, the most common cause of measles deaths. She would not have gotten pneumonia if she had not gotten measles. She was unlikely to get pneumonia had she kept strict bed rest in a warm room, but not many Americans know that it is important to do so when nursing measles. Probably they thought that belatedly giving her the holy elixir, the MMR, would miraculously heal her, assuming they thought at all. And every vaccine dimishes immune function for about a month. She was not given the advantage of vitamin A.
STOP GIVING MEDICAL ADVICE.
YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR,
>STOP GIVING MEDICAL ADVICE.
>YOU ARE NOT A DOCTOR,
But THEY ARE
* **"Butchered by Healthcare"** by Dr Robert Yoho MD
* **"Good bye Germ theory: ending a century of medical fraud and how to protect your family"** by Dr. William P. Trebing
* **"Dissolving Illusions: Disease, Vaccines and the Forgotten History"** By Dr Suzanne Humphries MD
* **"What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Childrens Vaccinations"** by Dr Stephanie Cave, MD
* **"Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion Dollar Profits at our expense"** by Dr Claus Kohnlein MD, Dr Samantha Bailey MD, Dr Stefano Scoglio Bsc PhD
* **"Vaccines, Autoimmunity and the Changing nature of childhood Illnesses"** by Dr Thomas Cowen MD
* **"Inventing the AIDS virus"** by Peter Duesberg
* **"The vaccine Court: The Dark Truth of Americas Vaccine Injury Compensation Program"** by Wayne Rhodes
* **"Vaccine Injuries; Documented Adverse Reactions to Vaccines"** by Louis Conte and Tony Lyons
* **"Jabbed: How the vaccine industry, medical establishment and government stick it to you and your family"** by Brett Wilcox
* **"How to raise a healthy child in spite of your Doctor"** by Dr Robert Mendelsohn MD
* **"The Unvaccinated Child: A treatment guide for parents and caregivers"** by Judith Thompson ND, Eli Camp ND
* **"Corona False alarm" Facts and figures"** by Dr Karina Reiss and Dr Sucharit Bhakdi
* **"The Real Anthony Fauchi: Bill Gates Big Pharma and the Global War on Democracy and Public Health"** by Robert F Kennedy Jr
* **"Vax-Unvax: Let the science speak"**
* **"Turtles All The Way Down: Vaccine Myth and Science"**
...Want another go???
They are "all doctors", are they?
Most aren't, and the ones who are doctors are cranks and quacks.
....next?
Don’t forget to open the windows!
Another great post. The fact that he believes these children are hospitalized for "quarantine" is one of the most ignorant statements he has ever made. And that is saying a lot. This is absolutely surreal.
The antivaxers are going to learn the hard way. FAFO!
Watch out, rombios has some indisputable and totally random graphs that will stop your arguments in their tracks.
Loll
There are NO antivaxxer parents scrambling to put those toxins into their childrens bloodstream. Cope harder
Also
http://www.vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
FAKE GRAPHS.
Nothing to see here.
Thats not how the world works. You dont get to dismiss inconvenient facts.
And you don't have the reality stone with which to impose your will
Vaclib = Antivax organisation producing fake antivax propaganda.
I sense a pattern. Attacking information you dont like no matter who it comes from. Lets prove it
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
3, 2, 1 ...
https://ibb.co/3Ky0WhM
The AMA controls whats reported and whats not reported as measels symptoms.
Thats why the standard is mortality
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
It seems that finding graphs online to support both sides of arguments is not hard to do. This makes staying accurately informed such a challenge. You said my question was factually incorrect because you subscribe to what people like Dr Ralph Scobey, Dr Suzanne Humphries, etc say. Then there are several other Doctors and scientist who disagree with them based on their own observations.
Does this make every single person in the world who disagrees with the DDT - Polio connection a shill of some sort? Or just woefully misinformed? How do we explain cases of polio before DDT exposure? Hasn't polio been part of human history for some time? Or is that non-factual too?
Whether there is a causal relationship between DDT and polio or not, DDT is definitely some nasty stuff.
https://vaxopedia.org/tag/polio-myths/
Has anyone pointed out there actually have been 45 deaths from acute measles or from measles SSPE in the US over the last 15 years?
https://stopantivaxpropaganda.substack.com/p/when-was-the-last-measles-death/comments
https://ijvtpr.com/index.php/IJVTPR/article/view/40
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png
Anti-vax activists never change their [measles] spots.
Everyone should recognize that Dr. Offit is engaging in what in more honest times was called a "Guerilla Marketing Campaign". The pharmaceutical industry is rife with this sort of marketing. Pharmaceutical sales reps, like Dr. Offit masquerading as public health and "Doctors" use children as their main marketing ploy to entice and force you if you don't comply with purchasing their shoddily made medical products.
No one should be fooled by this anymore. The more children they can claim died due to lack of vaccination the more bellicose they become until they can have laws changed to force you and local governments to buy product and force you and your family to consume their product.
These people are malevolent and you have to look at them for what they are.
How did my family, friends and I survive measles without a vaccine? We’re we just healthier than kids now?
Like sickle cell trait for malaria, your familial genetic stupidity syndrome conferred certain benefits.
Wrong moron
https://www.globalresearch.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/chronic-illness-chart.png