The anti-vaccine movement did not benefit from the covid-19 pandemic. It has been bolstered by the illegal and unethical attempts to mandate the covid shots and all of the dishonesty that the public health community has used to promote them.
The pathway back to public trust in vaccines is:
1. Apologies for the covid shot mandates with restitution for anyone pushed out, fired, or injured.
2. Stop the rubber stamp approval of new covid boosters. Subject them to RCTs like other new drugs.
3. Remove covid shots from the CDC childhood vaccine schedule.
4. CDC should grade vaccine recommendations and quality of evidence on a scale as other medical professional societies do for their recommendations.
4. Reform VRBAC and ACIP vaccine approval process to eliminate all conflicts of interest. Continue to increase transparency by publishing a clear summary of all meetings.
5. Strengthen VAERS and other post-market product surveillance. The public needs to have confidence that safety signals are being actively sought and acted upon.
6. Continue to allow medical and religious exemptions for childhood vaccines without discriminating against these children
7. The practice of abandoning children whose parents decline vaccines should be renounced by the pediatrics profession as unethical.
The public health community has inflicted massive injury on public trust in vaccines through covid overreach in general and the covid shots in particular. The pathway back is going to be very hard. Vilifying those who are raising questions about our process is only going to polarize the country more and strengthen this movement.
We need full transparency!! The Government has a better system than VEARS it’s just not available to the public. Also with technology today we could EASILY set up a system that after a vaccine medical visits with diagnosis for 6 months can be collected and analyzed for frequency compared to general population. If this triggers an alarm further studies should be warranted. The government won’t do this. They have regulatory capture and too much corruption.
I hope it's not available to the public. Nice conspiracy promoting post btw! I should call bologna but I will let others decide, no report here from me.
Also the Government does not make it clear that the Covid vaccine was rolled out as a countermeasure. So if you are injured you file under the countermeasure compensation program NOT the vaccine injury compensation program. Which means No right to a lawyer no right to appeal and one year from shot to file. And we have THIS on the childhood schedule !!! Follow Lawsuit by Brook Jackson with Mendel law firm or React 19 started by orthopedic surgeon who is now disabled from this countermeasure!!!!
That's a lie, look it up, anti vaxxers raked in millions of dollars. Dr Offitt is on point with this fact. The VSDL already exist and is stronger than VAERS. Any REAL Dr should know this, funny you forgot to mention it BOT!
And the Vax promoters raked in Billions of dollars. Just two weeks ago, BioNtech was ordered to pay $1.2 Billion dollars to the NIH for vaccine royalties. You can shut the fuck up about financial incentives, BOT!
Those contributions (some came from people like me) were made so organizatioms like ICAN ( informed consent action network) can launch lawsuits in the 5 remaining states that ban exemptions for vaccination to attend public school
Am happy to note that recently a case was won in Massachusetts returning religious exemptions back to parents
Note to parents: the religious exemption doesnt require you to be a member of a church or religious organization ...
Now compare that to the billions indemnified/ mandate loving/ liability shielded vaccine manufacturers rake in annually to line their pockets
Well, to be more accurate there is a long history of mRNA vaccines, but they haven’t been particularly successful in humans prior to the technological advances made with the covid vaccines.
Covid product does not prevent illness or prevent transmission. And children's innate immune system protected them from the inflammation of the spike.(kept virus in nasopharynx) The covid product told the body to make the spike. Should never have been put on the children's vaccine schedule.
Many children died of Covid, though mortality was low in them, even in the two years before Omicron. I remember a slender five year old boy who died of it. I agree that it should not have been put on the vaccine schedule. Parents must be free to choose or reject any vaccine.
Also, given your fanaticism, absolutism and distortion and misrepresentation of actual vax data, and your inability to scientifically debate, should you not remove yourself from the debate?
It’s almost like their fight to repeal the The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 is purely driven by financial interests. Given the obvious conflict, should you not remove yourself from the debate?
God damn, look at what you’ve written. “Officially recognized”. The public body that licenses lawyers is an official body. A lawyer providing opinion is acting in a personal capacity. For there to be a conflict, both elements must be present. Would you care to try again? Only a Leftist can be this recalcitrant to reality.
Omg! Millions? Just think, if millions can corrupt, what would billions do? ICAN uss the money it takes in to fight for transparency and basic safety in health care. What did Pfizer spend the $35 billion it made in profit in 2021 alone, on?
You see, the type of arguments you are bringing forth implicate you and your side a 1000 fold. If the flawed human nature of a man with a dollar is to be painted as evil, then the man with a thousand dollars must be far more evil. Rethink your strategy, if not for your life's work, at least do it for your logic. It is truly cringeworthy at present.
Or better yet, accept that you've made enough $ and do the right thing from here on out. Your self assesed legacy is doomed, but you could salvage something of your reputation and place in history by acting honorably for the rest of your days. Everyone loves a personal salvation story.
I'm assuming that you are unaware of just how hated you are, but take some incogneto time and go find the public's opinion of you and you'll see why I'm making these suggestions.
Perhaps Dr. Offit has donated to charity the money he makes from his rotavirus vaccine.
I agree with you. The argument that the folks arguing for vaccine safety are motivated by money is ludicrous. If that is so, how much more the pharmaceutical companies, physicians whose insurance contracts adjust reimbursement based on percentage of patients vaccinated in practice, and the patent holders on the vaccines?
What is a vaccine denier? I don't believe anyone here is denying the vaccines exist. It's just that more than half of us wish they didn't because we've seen the destruction they cause.
I put that term in quotation marks in order to indicate that it’s the vaccine promoters’ smear term for the rest of us. People who were called deniers were cancelled.
Most of those graves are due to cholera, typhoid fever, diphtheria, and scarlet fever, all diseases that practically dissappeared once sewage systems and good hygeine were introduced. The only one routinely vaccinated against now is diptheria, and we don't see cholera outbreaks now that we aren't mass vaxxing against it. In fact, we don't see diptheria outbreaks in the unvaccinated either. The last large scale diptheria outbreak I could find was in a poor part of Siberia without, you guessed it, sewage or good nutrition or hygiene. I'm not saying that vaccination has never been beneficial, but it had very little to do with the plummeting childhood death rates.
The diseases rife among kids since WW2, by which time hygiene and clean water were pretty widely available in the US were measles, pertussis, rubella, pneumonia, HiB meningitis, chickenpox, mumps etc… why did good nutrition and clean water not abolish these I wonder?
Only vaccination has done this, because these are spread by the airborne route, that’s why.
Polio and Rotavirus are spread through poor hygiene/close contact… it took vaccination to eliminate these too.
Measles and pertussis evolved to become much milder, with very low mortality, before the vaccines for them were introduced. 99% of American children got natural measles and few had serious problems. Including me. And you (not American, though). Rubella has always been a very mild disease for both children and adults, but causes birth defects when the mother contracts it in the first months of pregnancy. It woild be better to offer school children natural infection with rubella (and measles, mumps, and chickenpox, one a year). That being said, I ordered three potencies of the rubella nosode and will give them to C. I had natural rubella as a child. Mumps is mild and should also be allowed to come back. I agree that hygiene and clean water will not prevent airborne disease, unless you count hand washing and diisinfecting things sneezed on. Good nutritional status, however, is key. Half the children who died of measles in the US before the vaccine died because they were malnourished. About 200 a year.
They did. All of those diseases were much less common by WWII and most outside of H1B and Meningitis (two of the rarer ones) were not deadly. Vaccination moved the needle, just by a little. When you figure in vaccination injuries, the jury is still out whether they are a net good or not.
My kids have had vaccinations, just a few, not the gazillion they wanted them to have. They wanted to vaccinate my kids for a sexually transmitted disease at birth! All I ask is that these are tested like other pharm products (they aren't) we eliminate conflicts of interest and kickbacks from the watchdog agencies (we haven't) and we don't use vaccination as a first line defense against everything (we don't). For this I am labeled anti-science, as if going on faith, allowing buy-offs, and ignoring vast swaths of evidence is somehow "following the science".
I agree. The big killers in the nineteenth century wete measles, pertussis, diphtheria, and scarlet fever. Measles and pertussis evolved to become milder before the vaccines for them. Scarlet fever has never had a licensed vaccine for it, but moved over to strep throat for the most part, treatable with antibiotics. Diphtheria was horrible. The pathogen has been parasitized, but I’m not sure if that has improved outcomes when it occurs. A little boy who was a neighbor of my mother’s family died horribly of it. His family called in every doctor in Taylor, Texas, to save him, but they could not, and he died asphyxiated. Cholera was interesting: a pathogen floating in the Indian Ocean until European ships picked it up and transmitted it. A horrible disease.
I agree that the high mortality from childhood disease in the nineteenth and early twentieth century would not apply today. Hib disease might. My daughter and I visited the city cemetery five years ago and saw the grave of a seven year old who had died of Hib disease in the late 1980’s. His parents buried him a few feet from the school playground where he had played. Before the Hib vaccine, one in a thousand young children in the US died of it, even though it can often be treated with antibiotics.
Wow, the "anti-vax" movement is so huge and so profitable that they actually hired ONE lawyer! OMG, this one lawyer has super magical powers...and this ONE lawyer will overpower the hundreds/thousands of Big Pharma lawyers...and THIS will "hurt" American children.
As for the NEWEST version of polio vaccine, Dr Offit is (shockingly) asserting that there should never be a placebo-controlled trial to test its safety or efficacy. The American media claim that vaccine science is so sophisticated that it is the most "sound medical science" presently available. And yet, how can any real scientist know if a vaccine is safe if there is NO control group?
I wonder if Dr. Offit is also selling used cars or additional warranties for my refrigerator. He's such a good salesman, except to people who are educated enough to see the baloney that he's selling.
Here's an article that I actually wrote and got published at the HuffingtonPost in 2010 entitled: How To Create Your Own Pandemic: Learn from Big Pharma's Creativity. Believe it or not, I even predicted that Big Pharma would blame "bat blood" and "bat feces" as a source of the "new" pandemic.
I doubt one of the world's foremost infection paediatricians and vaccine specialists needs to heed the advice from a homeopath.
How often have homeopathy studies used proper placebo groups in RDB controlled trials? …almost never, and the ones that have show homeopathy doesn’t work.
You will recall the large studies done on the use of homeopathic remedies used to prevent dengue during a large outbreak in Brazil, that showed how effective they were, while those provinces which did not take them fared very poorly. I could provide studies on homeoprophylaxis for leptospirosis in South America and on lathyrus sativus to both prevent and treat polio? Are you interested? I was surprised to read about an epidemic of leptospirosis in humans: here it’s only something that dogs sometimes get.
Homeopathic treatment is harmless. Unlike drugs and vaccines. It is energetic, using substances so dilute that there is little or nothing left of the original substance. But they are effective, if you can identify the right one for your case. Which I’m still trying to do, unsuccessfully so far, I am and have been very sick for a long time. Long Covid with cytokine storms play a big part, maybe interacting with the MS. I’m taking low-dose naltrexone, but so far it hasn’t helped. Taking mercurius solubilis, china, and kali phos, increasing the potency of china to 200 c. Adding gelsemium 200 c for the cytokine storms. I don’t think there’s anything else I can do. Maybe see an allergist.
I am against doing a decades-long, multi-million dollar study on Vero cell cultures used to produce a large portion of polio vaccines since 1992. I have seen no evidence which suggests vaccine damage from the polio vaccine in the last fifty years. I disagree with the reasoning that cancer rates have gone up, the SV contaminant caused cancer, the Vero cells are said by some to be immortal, like cancer cells, therefore there’s good reason to believe that polio vaccines produced by Vero cell cultures may be causing many cases of cancer. It may be that I have not undetstood the case correctly, but if I have, it is a very poor case, not worth millions of dollars we don’t have and taking the vaccine off the market for decades.
It is NOT un ethical to do a double blind placebo controlled study with the Hep B vaccine with the original trial to license with 143 subjects for 5 days !!! This disease is by far the lowest risk for infants being that they are NOT having sex nor will they be doing IV drugs. That is the government’s excuse??? Give me a break. It is unethical to NOT do a better trial.
Why do those facts you listed never tempt vaccine promoters to question the need for the Hep B vaccine? In a sane medical world, that would be a real question that deserves an answer. Real scientists and doctors should be looking at all the surrounding data, not just the data that supports their conclusions. SMH.
That’s my question exactly !!! Why have we not questioned it. I have talked to MANY medical people who are even asking themselves why they never questioned it. Blind trust.
At this point, and until and unless the scientific and medical and public health communities begin to behave rationally, it's literally the truth that our health and the health of our children is in our own hands. For too long we let them tell us what to think; that day has ended. And when you think back, medicine doesn't exactly have the best track record: doctors delivering babies didn't think hand washing was a good idea; during the 1918 flu epidemic, doctors regularly prescribed aspirin doses that were so high, they killed patients; thalidomide (need I say more); the era when doctors promoted smoking; Premarin for menopausal women; unnecessary hysterectomies; Vioxx. How many times must we be exposed to their dangerous decisions? Iatrogenic death is the 3rd most common killer of Americans.
I just looked up the number of children in US in 1983 between one and ten. 41 million. If one in 100,000 was diagnosed with hep-B then, that’s 410 children in 41 million. In addition, nearly all children who contract hep-B older than three or four, make a complete recovery over time, untreated. A far cry from Mike’s 18,000.
Did you see this? Chart at bottom. One in 100,000 children under ten diagnosed. My feed is acting funny, and this is so important, I wanted you and others commenting on hep-B to see it. Not trying to be redundant. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a3.htm
I just found this CDC chart (at the bottom) which shows that before the hep-B vaccine, only one in 100,000 American children between one in nine was diagnosed with hep-B.
I agree, but think it is better to rescind all mandates and let the parents choose. Have them read Judy Converse’s When Your Doctor is Wrong: The Gepatitis-B Vaccine and Autism. And school nurse Patti White’s testimony at the congressional hep-B vaccine safety hearing in May 1999.
I’m really not sure one could trust the results of any safety study which might be done.
Well, all pregnant women are tested during pregnancy. Either the tests are no good, or we don't need to vaccinate babies. Or we think all moms are having illicit sex and injecting drugs.
Moms who are truly at greater risk for contracting Hep B while pregnant can be retested at time of delivery and baby can be treated accordingly if necessary.
There is zero need for universal Hepatits B vaccination of infants and children.
Additionally, the vaccine can be associated with poor feeding in newborns. It is not a benign intervention.
You state the above numbers like they were facts. Coming up with such numbers using “economic models” is at best an educational guess. And the study is from CDC researchers. After the “COVID pandemic”, I have very little trust in any of the governmental alphabet heath agencies.
As you were informed above, 18,000 children each year contracted Hep B in the US, but only half were maternal infections potentially avoidable through screening and vaccination of infants of positive mothers… the other half were infections occurring without an obvious source. That’s 9,000 a year, most of whom would become Hep B carriers, get cirrhosis and liver failure late in life, and be at very high risk of liver cancer.
These inapparent childhood infections would be caused by other blood or bodily fluid exposures in infancy and childhood. Potentially just sharing a teething ring at child care with an infected baby could do it. Hep B is extremely infectious; 100x more so than HIV for example.
18,000? Wow, that is so many more than the 100,000 being made autistic every year. 1 in 35. 100,000 destroyed lives per year, not counting the damage it does to their families. Even if hep b was immediately 100% lethal, the benefit ratio would still be completely upside down.
False equivalence. Vaccines don’t cause autism, and why are you not comparing like with like? Autism is a spectrum. Death is highly unusual. Is Hep B vax the sole claimed “cause of autism”? And why compare only to deaths from Hep B?
BTW, over the last 30 years in the US childhood vaccines have prevented an estimated 508 million cases of illness, 32 million hospitalizations, and 1.1 million deaths, resulting in direct savings of $540 billion and societal savings of $2.7 trillion.
Oh yay. Mike S. You are late for work today. I hope offit doesn't short your shill check for your tardiness. I'm not gonna bother arguing against your no faith bulllshido. I know what you are. You know what you are and everyone else here does as well. Have you noticed how few are left on your side of this argument, after all your best efforts? Man, what i life, huh?
Could you please detail what VPDs would have caused 1.1 million deaths in those thirty years? That is a completely wild figure pulled out of the blue. Does your ridiculous study depend on disease rates and medical treatments current among malnourished, cold children in tenements and Mississippi Delta shacks in 1880 or 1931?
It’s one in 25 diagnosed with autism now, still increasing every year. The 18,000 figure is false. Ask him for the table showing that 18,000 children every year were being diagnosed with hep-B every year, with NO use of the word “estimated.” He can’t, because they weren’t. But you’re right, even if it were accurate, it would not justify causing autism and seizure disorders in tens of thousands of children a year. Not all cases of autism are caused by the hep-B vaccine: many are caused by the DTaP, MMR, and flu vacvines. I’ve read about some caused by the Hib vaccine. But the hep-B vaccine causes the lion’s share.
Measures which have been taken fir decades are enough: testing all pregnant women and vaxxing the babies of those positive. The number of children between one and ten actually diagnosed with hep-B during childhood was one in 100,000 before the vaccine. See if you can pin him down asking for real figures, not estimates.
Trust me, i know. I was just going as conservative as possible and giving him his numbers to show just how ridiculous his position is. Even with everything assumed to the benefit of the narrative, it still never adds up. Thanks for the solid reality points. Greatly appreciated.
Yes, but it has been universal for many decades to test pregnant women for hep-B and then to give the vaccine to their babies at birth. Those are the only ones who should get it. I tested negative, said I didnt want my baby to get it because I had read it often caused autism. They gave it to her at midnight at the hospital within 24 hours of birth. It caused encephalitic screaming syndrome and autism. She’s 24 now, still low-verbal, still very lonely because she can’t converse, can’t have friends. Normal IQ between 100 and 103, but brain-damaged. Very beautiful. I got her a minimum wage job, in which she’s gotten many commendations. The state legislature gave her the Medicaid waiver because her autism is considered severely disabling. Because of reactions to the hep-B and DTaP vaccines. Without them, she would have finished college by now and probably be married and have a baby.
"It is NOT un ethical to do a double blind placebo controlled study with the Hep B vaccine with the original trial to license with 143 subjects for 5 days !!!"
It would be ethical for you to read the studies and see the anti-vaccs are liars.
The trial you refer to did not study the vaccine for 5 days. That was just the length of time that parents were contacted on a daily basis post vaccine to obtain info on the acute local reactions.
The subjects were also reviewed at the one month period (dose 2) and the 3 month period (dose 3), with further assessment 3 months after that….Read the trial protocol, not antivax propaganda!
I take it you accept the study did not last 5 days (and how could it for a vaccine dosed at 0, 1 and 4 months of age 😂)!
Dr Offit explained about the placebo controlled element of these trials and why it wasn’t done… there was already an effective licensed hep B vaccine, so that was the comparator.
The problem is they were not done on the original trials. So they just keep comparing to the old one as if the trials were done right. Like I said a REAL placebo controlled clinical trial please and thank you. And yes original trial was 5 Days !
Without a proper control arm and a transparent trial, there is no basis for belief in the safety or efficacy of any drug or vaccine. This is basic science.
So, what about the safety of the ones on placebo? Given the present literature and knowledge base they are exactly as safe as the others as far as we know. You don't get to claim an effect without the proper trial and there are no proper trials documented for any of the vaccines on the cdc's childhood schedule.
It really is that simple. You don't know, but you want to roll the dice. We want to know. That is the reality of our antagonistic positions. Those playing dice with the lives of other people's children are never on the right side of history. Not even once.
Efficacy is easy. Look around you. I wanted my daughter to have natural measles to improve her lifetime health. Unfortunately, while 4 million a year had natural measles in 1960, the entire birth cohort, 99% of children, within a few years it was dramatically reduced. Now maybe a few dozen, in outbreak years maybe a few hundred. 4 million a year to 50. Because nearly everyone has gotten the MMR. How many get tetanus? Diphtheria? In 1985, one in 200 young American children got a clinical case of Hib, while one in a thousand died of it. Now it’s maybe two a year. Why? Because the vaccine was introduced for infants in 1990. Bye-bye Hib disease! How about polio? How many children in the US are paralyzed every year by polio? How many die? Right. None. Zero. Because almost all get the vaccine. Chickenpox? Same. Most vaccones are nearly always effective. About 5% of people are non-responders, but for most people, they are effective.
Safety is a completely different issue. They are not safe. Some are safer than others. Fortunately, the diphtheria, tetanus, and polio vaccines are safe for most. Parents of children in daycare usually want vaccine protection from Hib disease. Usually pneumococcal disease, though I get uneasy there.
Hepatits B is NOT a threat to a newborn !!! Only transmitted through sex and needles. And read my previous statement. We can gather the warning signals through EMR. And what if there is injury ? With the current studies no true placebo controlled.
Newborns infected with Hep B go on to be chronic carriers in 90% of cases; of these 50% get cirrhosis and liver failure later in life, and they are at high risk from liver cancer.
Yes and they can only get it from their mother. So we should inject one size fits all ??? Seriously. Let’s just put everyone on diabetic and BP meds as well because you know diabetes is a killer and everyone is getting it.
Not when the mother is negative. And then the small percent of kids that get it clear it without complications. But now 1:36 kids have autism. A Life sentence. I met an anti vaxer yesterday. Said her 30 and 25 year olds never got a vaccine. I asked may I ask what led you to your conclusions? She said she literally watched her niece spiral into Autism after 18 month vaxes. Many stories like this and the parents are all gaslit. Just like the covid vax injured. ( see React19.ORG ) started by Dr Joel Wolskog. Orthopedic surgeon disabled. We need more studies. If you really dive in you will see the studies are crap !!!
Isn't it interesting that those who profit from vaccines oppose safety and efficacy testing by being tested against placebos? Why is that such an outrageous ask? Unless, of course, vaccine testing for efficacy and safety might turn up information that the makers and promoters don't want to know. Vaccines are products. They don't exist in nature. Because they are manufactured and because they are mandated, it is eminently sensible that they be subjected to the same safety requirements as any other product that has even a small chance of causing injury. If they pass the real, honest, and open tests of safety and efficacy, we will then be assured that it's ok to vaccinate our children dozens of times before they reach adulthood.
it is horrifying that Offit and his ilk endorse and promote experimentation on live human subjects instead of rigorous, placebo controlled rct s.
The argument that placebo controlled for vaccines would be unethical is nonsense. Put out a call for volunteers. Thousands of altruistic folks will step up to participate.
In addition- there are large subgroups of non-vaccinated individuals that could be included in trials.
I think you’ll find they are more rigorously tested for safety, e.g. the RSV vaccine trial has been recently suspended due to safety concerns.
Depending on the vaccine being tested, it may be tested against saline placebo or if it’s a different vaccine to one already in use then the placebo is likely to be the vaccine already in use. Both of these approaches were used during the Covid vaccine trials by the different manufacturers. One in the U.K. had the placebo as a meningococcal vaccine, but the same Covid vaccine in Brazil had saline as the placebo.
Nothing is 100% risk free, some have food allergies whilst others don’t. No two peoples immune systems are the same, as shown in the Black Death in England, when the mortality rate was 48%, which meant that 52% were able to survive.
ONE RSV trial was suspended. The other vaccine proceeded to market despite infant deaths. The suspension of one trial allows FDA to appear to be doing its job of safety surveillance when in reality it continues to allow unsafe products to remain on the market.
A good friend's father was hospitalized day after getting his covid and RSV shots. Doesn't sound very safe to me.
That’s disinformation. No infant died during the RSV trials; they were all halted when 5 infants in the active arm of the placebo controlled trial developed severe RSV.
Halting the study shows how the regulators are very vigilant about such trials and how seriously they take vaccine safety into account.
Brazil also used the meningococcal vaccine as a placebo in testing the Covid vaccine, and it killed a young medical student. The meningococcal vaccine is dangerous. The disease is very dangerous, but rare. I gave my daughter the nosode for it.
Many in Brazil died of Covid. I’d have to try to remember the two South American strains. I’d have to look on my old computer to fond the article about the Brazilian med student killed by the meningococcal vaccine used as a placebo in testing a Covid vaccine there. I do not question that hundreds of thousands died of Covid in S America, millions world wide. Such a shame that mad scientists unleashed hell on the world. But at this time, we were talking about unethical and deadly vaccine testing.
The person who died in Brazil during the trials for the Astra Zeneca covid vaccine died from Covid. The tragedy was that had he been in the active arm of the study rather than getting an inactive placebo, he might well have survived.
They like to test a new vaccine against an older, very dangerous vaccine, so they can say the new one is not more dangerous than the old one. Both very dangerous. I was a friend of the late Dr. Edward Yazbak. He told me that the polio vaccine had been the only one tested against a true placeno.
The chapter on vaccine safety testing in Dr. Richard Moskowitz’ Vaccines: A Reappraisal, is very interesting, and shows how deliberately dishonest the process is.
Staying healthy!? Really? 70+ plus shots? Yet, a 600x increase in childhood disease since 1986 liability protection act. But nothing about nutrition, education, etc.
Doctors cannot practice medicine freely without risking their licenses. The reality is that corporate hospitals and private equity firms now control healthcare—and that’s without even mentioning the pharmaceutical industry.
Healthcare has been reduced to a profit-driven enterprise, where sickness is far more profitable than health. So is addiction. The evidence is in the outcomes we see from the healthcare industry. We don’t need a randomized, placebo-controlled study to recognize that corporate hospitals and nursing homes are among the most dangerous places on the planet.
I don’t think he receives anything from vaccine sales. However he did get around $5 million back in the 90s for selling on the patent for the Rotavirus vaccine he developed after 15 years intensive research, I believe.
The decision to get or refuse vaccines for children must be left entirely in the hands of parents. The existing inactivated polio vaccine should remain available for those who want to give it. Only rare cases of polio 1 still occur in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and rare cases of 2 from the oral vaccine sometimes reverting to wildness. The one case of paralytic polio in NY in 2022 was because an unvaxxed man was exposed to a man who had gotten the oral vaccine in eastern Europe and it had reverted to wildness. A very unusual situation. Those who want it should be able to get it, but the danger in refusing it is extremely low.
The hep-B vaccine has always been devastatingly dangerous. Sure, released in the year of the inflection point of autism, when it began its explosion. Few of those 18,000 children under ten said to have had hep-B were not diagnosed with it as children, because there were no symptoms. Very few of them had it. When some got it later as adults from heroin use and similar, many denied using an illegal drug, so they said Well, then you must have gotten it as a child, though no one ever knew, because you were perfectly healthy. So let’s say it’s not enough to test all pregnant women and only vax babies born to those with hep-B (the sensible course). No. We’ll get forty dollars per newborn for vaxxing them all before leaving the hospital, construing permission from the woman’s signature when checking into the hospital on a general consent form which doesn’t mention the vaccine. Sure, a congressional committee heard a lot of testimony in May 1999 on the thousands of babies killed or disabled by autism or seizure disorders caused by the vaccine. But we’ll just repeat mindlessly that that’s correlation, not causation. And never do a real safety study since any baby at any time may contract this disease like AIDS in being blood- or semen-borne.
Nosodes are available for all VPDs, have been shown in many studies to be highly effective. So test all vaccines using nosodes rather than true placebos if it is necessary to give all test subjects protection. Or use some of the millions whose parents won’t give them vaccines regardless. Only the medical personnel involved need to be blinded. But don’t continue killing and disabling children because you say that testing would be unethical.
Aluminum as an adjuvant is dangerous, but there is no safer alternative. Parents just have to decide for each individual child if each VPD is dangerous enough in their case to warrant taking a chance on the vaccine.
Parents became even more suspicious regarding vaccine safety as a result of such a large percentage of the Covid vaccinated being disabled or killed by it. The CDC refused to release the devastating V-Safe records for several years. They were meant to show the public how safe the vaccine was, but instead showed the opposite. But refusing to admit the truth was the wrong course to take.
Thousands of studies have been done showing every conceivable type of damage caused by vaccines. They COULD easily disable or even kill the child taking them. Those with a propensity to allergic or autoimmune disease in their family are at much higher risk. Most of the vaccines are effective, though not safe. So the parent has to research the VPDs, what they were like before the vaccines for them, and what they might be like if they returned, considering modern changes in living conditions and medical treatments like antibiotics. It’s on the parents to research and decide.
But vaccine transparency is absolutely necessary, grist for the mill in making decisions.
That’s the situation here in the U.K., however, in some countries vaccination of children is compulsory,Austria for example, before they can go to school. Despite our voluntary vaccination programme, most parents have their children vaccinated, unfortunately over the past year measles vaccination rates have fallen below the 95% required for community immunity leading to outbreaks in some areas.
Do I think that childhood vaccinations should be compulsory? In general that would be no.
Are there circumstances where vaccination should be compulsory? Yes for certain professions where there’s a risk of infection and disease.
None is safe, but most are effective. Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis ((DPT, not DTaP), measles, rubella, polio, Hib disease, and chicken pox all disappeared or became very uncommon shortly after the vaccines for them were introduced. Count how many vaccinated people on your block have had any of these. I would refuse pertussis, measles, and chicken pox, and Hib for a breast fed baby or toddler cared for at home. But if I got them, they would be effective.
In the U.K. pregnant women are vaccinated against pertussis, influenza and RSV in the third trimester, as this provides the newborn with passive antibodies passed across the placenta in utero and in breast milk post natal. Neonates are very susceptible to these infections, particularly those who are pre term. We don’t vaccinate against chickenpox except in certain circumstances.
The vaccines I had as a baby were polio, diphtheria and tetanus. I think I missed out on pertussis. I had the oral polio vaccine when I was 6, after it was introduced in 1961.
Measles vaccine was introduced in 1968 in U.K..
I had both measles and rubella as an infant. I had chicken pox when I was 8 years old. I never had mumps.
Cia’s idea of stopping infants dying from pertussis is to completely isolate mother and baby in a hermetically sealed environment for the first year of life…no contact with father, siblings etc.
You can’t get crazier than that!
Oh, I see she can.. she thinks you can give them homeopathic remedies too!
Not for the first year. By three months old, the breathing passages of infants have developed enough that they are able to cough out the mucus in their lungs. It was surprising to me when C got it at 8 months old (despite three DTaPs). She had long coughing fits maybe three or four times a day, ten coughs per breath. Then coughed up vast sheets of clear, slippery mucus. A small number of newborns might choke on it and be unable to breathe.
Pertussis has upsurges anout every three and a half years worldwide. Parents of newborns should ask their health care provider how common pertussis is during their infant’s first three months of life. Longer if the child is fragile. The (dangerous) DTaP is given at 2, 4, 6, and 18 months, but doesn’t hive any protection for the first several doses, and often never does.
So that means that parents perforce must think carefully about who they should keep away from their child. C was 8 and 9 months old. It was alarming, but not dangerous. Once the fits ended, she felt all right.
It was foolish of me to go to La Leche League meetings with her. That one, in early January, 2001, probably had ten babies and toddlers at it, several of them coughing. And I still thought nothing of it.
Yes, if your baby gets whooping cough, you need to hold them up to your shoulder and walk around with them, so the mucus doesn’t pool in their lungs and possibly cause pneumonia. If possible, have helpers to spell you. Give the correct dose of vitamin C. Alternate Pertudoron 1 and 2. Keep the child wrapped up and warm. Speak soothingly through the coughing fits.
The older the baby, the less you have to worry about pertussis. But, obviously, take him to the hospital if he is in distress after a fit is over. He may contract pneumonia.
And it is dangerous for pregnant women to get any vaccines. Parents must shelter newborns at home for several months after birth. They can only get pertussis from someone carrying it. There is a nosode they could give them. Vitamin C if they get it anyway. Breastfeeding provides no protection from pertussis, wjich is strange.
I reacted to the DPT at three months old with encephalitic screaming syndrome, as my brother did a year later. As my daughter did reacting to the hep-B vaccine. And it and the DTaP booster caused her autism.
I had a lot of DPTs, one at 19 paralyzed both my arms for several days, brachial plexus neuropathy, and caused my MS. I also got many polio vaccines, and two smallpox, with a third the day I got the travel vacvines and brachial plexus neuropathy. Also the first of two typhoid vaccines.
I had measles at six and chickenpox at seven. Rubella at some point. Pertussis when my thrice vaxxed baby caught pertussid anyway and gave it to me. The booster at 18 months erased her only two words, and she was diagnosed with autism two months later.
I have had flu many times, have never taken the vaccine, nor ever will. It paralyzed my father. I got hep-A after eating fry bread on a Navajo reservation with my father. Rotavirus while living in Mexico as an adult. I got three doses of Covid vaccine in 2021, but had bad reactions, including myocarditis. I’m glad I have gotten the natural diseases that I have. I would not travel in a yellow fever or Ebola zone.
Who is it dangerous for? Mother or baby? IgG antibodies from the mother pass through breast milk to the infant, as there’s no discrimination between antibodies then pertussis antibodies must be present in breast milk. By the way diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine doesn’t cause.encephalitis https://vaxopedia.org/2017/12/30/what-causes-non-stop-crying-after-dtap-vaccines/
Neither does DTaP or any vaccine cause autism.
Also be aware that the U.K. uses the abbreviation DTP for diphtheria, tetanus, polio triple vaccine.
As the graph shows their "dissappearance" had nothing to do with vaccines.
Vaccinated individuals still contract and transmit the very "illnesses" they were vaccinated against. We watched this play out in real.time these last 4 years
A vaccinated person can and does become infected with a pathogen, but they shouldn’t become seriously ill or die. In the early 2000’s I was required to have a measles antibody check. This returned a measurable quantity of antibodies. I have not been vaccinated against measles, but I developed it some 50 years before my antibody test. Either I had had a huge viral load as an infant (The half life of these antibodies is 3 weeks, if you figure out how many three weeks there are in fifty years and multiply 2 by itself that many times will give some indication of the numbers involved) OR I had multiple infections from the measles virus in the intervening years that kept triggering my immune system to produce antibodies.
The rest of the world would disagree with you on that. Vaccines are safe and effective. If you wanted to travel to the Democratic Republic of Congo would you refuse the yellow fever vaccination or, should one be developed, against Ebola or Lassa?
Very rare vaccine-associated adverse effects may occur, such as viscerotropic disease (yellow-fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic disease, YEL-AVD), a syndrome which may include metabolic acidosis, muscle and liver cirrhosis, and multi-organ failure. Neurological disorders (yellow fever vaccine-associated neurotropic disease, YEL-AND) such as encephalitis have also been reported. These very rare adverse effects usually occur after the first dose of yellow fever vaccine in those with no previous immunity. Increased risk of fatal reactions reported in patients aged 60 years and older and those who are immunosuppressed.
There are two Ebola vaccines, both against Zaire (now the DRC) Ebola only.
I wouldn’t travel to those countries where vaccinations are “only” recommended without having those vaccinations. It’s not worth the risk of becoming ill, dependent on local healthcare which could be under strain with the local population without the added burden of tourists or overseas workers, is it too much to ask that you mitigate against the risk by having a vaccination?
Look up Professor Martin Gore, who was killed very quickly by the yellow fever vaccine in 1999. Many tourists about to travel to a yellow fever zone have died either from the yellow fever vaccine or from yellow fever, if they decided not to take the vaccine. That’s why it’s called risks vs. benefits: the outcome can go either way.
I have published on vaccines in top medical journals, with zero funding, and you want to call me a scientifically illiterate grifter? I'm sorry, I'm very clever, but I can't fix stupid.
According to a statistic I saw recentley the pharmaceutical industry made over $1.6 TRILLION. Your contention is that some group made $23 Million, roughly the amount Pfizer spends on marketing for a single drug and you think they're "well funded".
Dr. Offit, the pharmaceutical and corporate healthcare industries have YOU putting out their apologetics and you have the ear of politicians, mainstream media, and you lecture to health journalists. YOU control the narrative.
ICAN is nothing compared to the influence you have, Dr. Offit. This movement is powered by people NOT money.
It comes as no surprise that I agree wholeheartedly with your evaluation. People see the decrease in disease and assume you don't need vaccinations if you no longer have the disease circulating. Little do they know it can come back with mutations that will make it much more difficult to control the next time around. And there is an assumption that hygiene will solve all our problems with disease. While important, hygiene was not a factor in the latest Covid epidemic. I am disappointed with the comments others have proffered in these comments.
It isn’t disease that circulates but pathogens. The pathogen can infect anyone, vaccinated or not. What vaccines do is prevent serious illness or death, they cannot prevent infection.
This is why virologists and immunologists go to great lengths to differentiate between a virus (e.g. SARS-CoV-2) and the disease (e.g. COVID19). The mRNA vaccines are against COVID19 not SARS-CoV-2.
Is that you Dr. Racaniello? Of course this is exactly right. But disease is easier for some people to relate to. Otherwise you have to explain B and T cells and I'm not qualified to do that.
Sometimes it’s good for people reading the articles to see how vacuous the antivax trolls’ arguments can be. Many are their own worst enemy, given how obviously ridiculous their claims are.
But yes, some moderation of the threatening and insulting comments would probably help.
Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries summarizes nicely in graph form the decline in vaccine preventable diseases well before vaccines for them became available.
As for hygiene and covid, if it had no impact, why were we told to wash our hands dozens of times a day, douse ourselves in hand sanitizer, wear masks, and stay away from one another? Or were the experts wrong about that?
Covid was driven largely by low vitamin D levels, insulin resistance (obese and those with type 2 diabetes were much higher risk of severe disease). Had the public health officials given everyone adequate doses of vitamin D to achieve levels >50-60, very few would have ended up in ICU. Instead we were told to stay indoors and eventually given donuts to take an ineffective and unsafe genetic injection that even Cleveland Clinic has found increases the likelihood of getting the very disease it was said it would prevent.
Measles actually did. So did tetanus. I don't r know the stats on the others.
As for pneumonia, I recently read that since vaccinating babies against Strep pneumonia, adults (older ones in particular) are now getting sick with more Strep pneumonia than before. Sounds similar to the rise in adult shingles after we kept kids from getting chickenpox with the varicella vaccine. Adults no longer getting naturally boosted by exposure to kids and grandkids and neighbor kids. So now the more vulnerable adults are getting sick.
"Perhaps no one has benefited more from the Covid-19 pandemic than the anti-vaccine movement." This is TOO precious, Captain Obvious. That you don't seem to understand why we became suspicious of vaccines during covid is so rich.
And of course no vaccines are tested against saline solution placebos and vaccine manufactures incur no liability as they are shielded by the national vaccine act of 1986 and the CARES act
You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either
Placebos can help determine how effective a drug can be as compared to nothing.
For drugs or vaccines where there is already an accepted effective option available, then new drugs or vaccines can only be tested against the one in current use.
For example, if you develop a new formulation of insulin, you can’t test it in diabetics by having a placebo control; if you did a lot would die from diabetic ketoacidosis. You have to test the new version against the usual insulin.
To see how many are disabled or killed by the drug or vaccine compared to the placebo group. But if you’d prefer just to kill or disable us and speed on, just say so.
How do you know its effective without a control arm in your study? So we take the word of drug manufacturers without testing? Genuis? Especially ones that have settled multi billion lawsuits for fraud?
Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History
Please remove your USA centric viewpoint, what may or may not apply in the USA does not extend outside of the 50 states, D.C. or overseas territories into the rest of the world or Greenland.
You’re incorrect, COVID vaccines were tested against saline placebo in Brazil and possibly South Africa. In the U.K. there’s a vaccine damage payment available for people who are proven to be >=60% disabled following any of a specific list of vaccines, including COVID, this is not compensation but a benefit payment of £120000. This does not prevent the recipient from suing the pharmaceutical company.
2) The issue of contention is mandatory childhood vaccination in America.
3) The person of interest is one RFKjr who is about to head up the HHS; a cabinet position in America; who himself is also an American ... shall i go on?
Most people don't want children to die and they will read the words and see vaccine manufacturers have full liability and that the anti-vaccs are frauds:
In February, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar invoked the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act. The 2005 law empowers the HHS secretary to provide legal protection to companies making or distributing critical medical supplies, such as vaccines and treatments, unless there’s “willful misconduct” by the company. The protection lasts until 2024.
That means that for the next four years, these companies “cannot be sued for money damages in court” over injuries related to the administration or use of products to treat or protect against Covid.
Lolll. You moron. Pre 2024 you couldnt sue them because they were shielded by the CARES act as the msnbc article points out
Post 2024 you cant sue them because Covid is part of the cdc childrens vaccination schedule and thus shielded by the national childhood vaccination act.
Which; given Trumps line up for the HHS/FDA/CDC/NIADS problem isnt going to exist much longer ... ESPECIALLY once it becomes public/common knowledge
"BREAKING: Sen. Ron Johnson calls for the removal of liability protections for vaccine makers first enacted in the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986."
Here is a video of RFKjr in a question and answer session stating publicly that no vaccines in use today have been tested against a saline solution placebo.
Given who he is, his position both in the public limelight and as a lawyer; coupled with the hatred pharmaceutical companies and health agencies have for him;
They can easily bankrupt him in lawsuits and destroy his credibility in one fell swoop; if ANYTHING he said above was in error
Again why havent they taken those studies to court against him and his bold claim.?
How come YOU (a jerk off sittimg in his moms basement) have access to studies that multi billion pharmaceutical giants dont have with which to defend against RFKs bold claim?
Fouad told me that six or seven years ago, before Covid. I know that the meningococcal vaccinr was sometimes used as a “placebo,” and you do as well. And their methods of testing were very ineffective since an extremely high percentage of the vaxxed reacted with death or disability. Have you guys settled on an explanation for that?
Maybe we should focus more on Ultra Processed Foods. If RFK is going to attack the pharmaceutical he should also attack food manufacturers for poisoning our food with chemicals
Most of us agree. There’s a lot I hope he will do. I’m most concerned about vaccines and endocrine-disrupting chemicals. A shame that he is our only hope, that the estanlishment is just fine with the deadly status quo.
The anti-vaccine movement did not benefit from the covid-19 pandemic. It has been bolstered by the illegal and unethical attempts to mandate the covid shots and all of the dishonesty that the public health community has used to promote them.
The pathway back to public trust in vaccines is:
1. Apologies for the covid shot mandates with restitution for anyone pushed out, fired, or injured.
2. Stop the rubber stamp approval of new covid boosters. Subject them to RCTs like other new drugs.
3. Remove covid shots from the CDC childhood vaccine schedule.
4. CDC should grade vaccine recommendations and quality of evidence on a scale as other medical professional societies do for their recommendations.
4. Reform VRBAC and ACIP vaccine approval process to eliminate all conflicts of interest. Continue to increase transparency by publishing a clear summary of all meetings.
5. Strengthen VAERS and other post-market product surveillance. The public needs to have confidence that safety signals are being actively sought and acted upon.
6. Continue to allow medical and religious exemptions for childhood vaccines without discriminating against these children
7. The practice of abandoning children whose parents decline vaccines should be renounced by the pediatrics profession as unethical.
The public health community has inflicted massive injury on public trust in vaccines through covid overreach in general and the covid shots in particular. The pathway back is going to be very hard. Vilifying those who are raising questions about our process is only going to polarize the country more and strengthen this movement.
We need full transparency!! The Government has a better system than VEARS it’s just not available to the public. Also with technology today we could EASILY set up a system that after a vaccine medical visits with diagnosis for 6 months can be collected and analyzed for frequency compared to general population. If this triggers an alarm further studies should be warranted. The government won’t do this. They have regulatory capture and too much corruption.
I hope it's not available to the public. Nice conspiracy promoting post btw! I should call bologna but I will let others decide, no report here from me.
"The Government has a better system than VEARS it’s just not available to the public."
https://www.cdc.gov/vaccine-safety-systems/vsd/access-use.html
All you had to do was to look to see data is publicly available for the asking.
Yup, the anti-vaccs really do lie about ~everything.
Thank you, Dr. Marine, for this intelligent, rational response to Dr. Offit's assertions.
Also the Government does not make it clear that the Covid vaccine was rolled out as a countermeasure. So if you are injured you file under the countermeasure compensation program NOT the vaccine injury compensation program. Which means No right to a lawyer no right to appeal and one year from shot to file. And we have THIS on the childhood schedule !!! Follow Lawsuit by Brook Jackson with Mendel law firm or React 19 started by orthopedic surgeon who is now disabled from this countermeasure!!!!
Vaccine Court is miserably corrupt and useless as well.
"Follow Lawsuit by Brook Jackson"
The complete BS lawsuit that was so egregious it has already been dismissed with prejudice?
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-dis-crt-e-d-tex-bea-div/116482929.html
The anti-vaccs count on you not looking and seeing their lies.
That's a lie, look it up, anti vaxxers raked in millions of dollars. Dr Offitt is on point with this fact. The VSDL already exist and is stronger than VAERS. Any REAL Dr should know this, funny you forgot to mention it BOT!
And the Vax promoters raked in Billions of dollars. Just two weeks ago, BioNtech was ordered to pay $1.2 Billion dollars to the NIH for vaccine royalties. You can shut the fuck up about financial incentives, BOT!
Those contributions (some came from people like me) were made so organizatioms like ICAN ( informed consent action network) can launch lawsuits in the 5 remaining states that ban exemptions for vaccination to attend public school
Am happy to note that recently a case was won in Massachusetts returning religious exemptions back to parents
Note to parents: the religious exemption doesnt require you to be a member of a church or religious organization ...
Now compare that to the billions indemnified/ mandate loving/ liability shielded vaccine manufacturers rake in annually to line their pockets
OMG there is a 40 yr history demonstrating the safety and efficacy of mRNA vaccines
Well, to be more accurate there is a long history of mRNA vaccines, but they haven’t been particularly successful in humans prior to the technological advances made with the covid vaccines.
I notice you didnt call for
Removal of all mandates for childhood vaccinations (70) in the CDC schedule?
Interesting ommission
Covid product does not prevent illness or prevent transmission. And children's innate immune system protected them from the inflammation of the spike.(kept virus in nasopharynx) The covid product told the body to make the spike. Should never have been put on the children's vaccine schedule.
"Covid product does not prevent illness or prevent transmission."
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10073587/#:~:text=The%20combined%20effect%20(reduced%20risk,vaccines%20outperformed%20viral%2Dvector%20vaccines.
It just takes the integrity to look to see that the anti-vaccs stupidly lie about ~everything.
Many children died of Covid, though mortality was low in them, even in the two years before Omicron. I remember a slender five year old boy who died of it. I agree that it should not have been put on the vaccine schedule. Parents must be free to choose or reject any vaccine.
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Also, given your fanaticism, absolutism and distortion and misrepresentation of actual vax data, and your inability to scientifically debate, should you not remove yourself from the debate?
Why are so many lawyers anti-vaccine?
It’s almost like their fight to repeal the The National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 is purely driven by financial interests. Given the obvious conflict, should you not remove yourself from the debate?
Once again, demonstrating your inability to understand what conflict of interest means.
"a situation in which a person is in a position to derive personal benefit from actions or decisions made in their official capacity."
In this case, a group of lawyers operating in their official capacity to personally benefit from the repeal of the 1986 Act.
It's astounding how dumb you are.
In what “official capacity” are the lawyers acting? And in particular, the gentleman you suggested needs to remove himself from debate?
Leftist morons love to hang their hat on half truths.
An officially recognized and licensed attorney is operating in an official capacity when opining on matters of law.
Right wing morons love to call everyone a "leftist" without knowing a single detail of their politics. Truly a mark of cultish stupidity.
God damn, look at what you’ve written. “Officially recognized”. The public body that licenses lawyers is an official body. A lawyer providing opinion is acting in a personal capacity. For there to be a conflict, both elements must be present. Would you care to try again? Only a Leftist can be this recalcitrant to reality.
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Omg! Millions? Just think, if millions can corrupt, what would billions do? ICAN uss the money it takes in to fight for transparency and basic safety in health care. What did Pfizer spend the $35 billion it made in profit in 2021 alone, on?
You see, the type of arguments you are bringing forth implicate you and your side a 1000 fold. If the flawed human nature of a man with a dollar is to be painted as evil, then the man with a thousand dollars must be far more evil. Rethink your strategy, if not for your life's work, at least do it for your logic. It is truly cringeworthy at present.
Or better yet, accept that you've made enough $ and do the right thing from here on out. Your self assesed legacy is doomed, but you could salvage something of your reputation and place in history by acting honorably for the rest of your days. Everyone loves a personal salvation story.
I'm assuming that you are unaware of just how hated you are, but take some incogneto time and go find the public's opinion of you and you'll see why I'm making these suggestions.
Perhaps Dr. Offit has donated to charity the money he makes from his rotavirus vaccine.
I agree with you. The argument that the folks arguing for vaccine safety are motivated by money is ludicrous. If that is so, how much more the pharmaceutical companies, physicians whose insurance contracts adjust reimbursement based on percentage of patients vaccinated in practice, and the patent holders on the vaccines?
Offit donated to CHOP and reaped massive pilublicity
Left unsaid was the he works for CHOP.
So literally he was moving his donation from one hand to the other
Have you noticed that Paul Offit is the best friend the 'vaccine deniers' could ever hope to have?
What is a vaccine denier? I don't believe anyone here is denying the vaccines exist. It's just that more than half of us wish they didn't because we've seen the destruction they cause.
I put that term in quotation marks in order to indicate that it’s the vaccine promoters’ smear term for the rest of us. People who were called deniers were cancelled.
If you don't like that, many courts have called anti-vaccs "intellectually dishonest"......a polite way of saying liars.
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Most of those graves are due to cholera, typhoid fever, diphtheria, and scarlet fever, all diseases that practically dissappeared once sewage systems and good hygeine were introduced. The only one routinely vaccinated against now is diptheria, and we don't see cholera outbreaks now that we aren't mass vaxxing against it. In fact, we don't see diptheria outbreaks in the unvaccinated either. The last large scale diptheria outbreak I could find was in a poor part of Siberia without, you guessed it, sewage or good nutrition or hygiene. I'm not saying that vaccination has never been beneficial, but it had very little to do with the plummeting childhood death rates.
The diseases rife among kids since WW2, by which time hygiene and clean water were pretty widely available in the US were measles, pertussis, rubella, pneumonia, HiB meningitis, chickenpox, mumps etc… why did good nutrition and clean water not abolish these I wonder?
Only vaccination has done this, because these are spread by the airborne route, that’s why.
Polio and Rotavirus are spread through poor hygiene/close contact… it took vaccination to eliminate these too.
Measles and pertussis evolved to become much milder, with very low mortality, before the vaccines for them were introduced. 99% of American children got natural measles and few had serious problems. Including me. And you (not American, though). Rubella has always been a very mild disease for both children and adults, but causes birth defects when the mother contracts it in the first months of pregnancy. It woild be better to offer school children natural infection with rubella (and measles, mumps, and chickenpox, one a year). That being said, I ordered three potencies of the rubella nosode and will give them to C. I had natural rubella as a child. Mumps is mild and should also be allowed to come back. I agree that hygiene and clean water will not prevent airborne disease, unless you count hand washing and diisinfecting things sneezed on. Good nutritional status, however, is key. Half the children who died of measles in the US before the vaccine died because they were malnourished. About 200 a year.
They did. All of those diseases were much less common by WWII and most outside of H1B and Meningitis (two of the rarer ones) were not deadly. Vaccination moved the needle, just by a little. When you figure in vaccination injuries, the jury is still out whether they are a net good or not.
My kids have had vaccinations, just a few, not the gazillion they wanted them to have. They wanted to vaccinate my kids for a sexually transmitted disease at birth! All I ask is that these are tested like other pharm products (they aren't) we eliminate conflicts of interest and kickbacks from the watchdog agencies (we haven't) and we don't use vaccination as a first line defense against everything (we don't). For this I am labeled anti-science, as if going on faith, allowing buy-offs, and ignoring vast swaths of evidence is somehow "following the science".
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4151714/#:~:text=In%201900%20life%20expectancy%20in,young%20adults%20were%20mostly%20affected.
https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(24)00850-X/fulltext
I agree. The big killers in the nineteenth century wete measles, pertussis, diphtheria, and scarlet fever. Measles and pertussis evolved to become milder before the vaccines for them. Scarlet fever has never had a licensed vaccine for it, but moved over to strep throat for the most part, treatable with antibiotics. Diphtheria was horrible. The pathogen has been parasitized, but I’m not sure if that has improved outcomes when it occurs. A little boy who was a neighbor of my mother’s family died horribly of it. His family called in every doctor in Taylor, Texas, to save him, but they could not, and he died asphyxiated. Cholera was interesting: a pathogen floating in the Indian Ocean until European ships picked it up and transmitted it. A horrible disease.
I agree that the high mortality from childhood disease in the nineteenth and early twentieth century would not apply today. Hib disease might. My daughter and I visited the city cemetery five years ago and saw the grave of a seven year old who had died of Hib disease in the late 1980’s. His parents buried him a few feet from the school playground where he had played. Before the Hib vaccine, one in a thousand young children in the US died of it, even though it can often be treated with antibiotics.
Wow, the "anti-vax" movement is so huge and so profitable that they actually hired ONE lawyer! OMG, this one lawyer has super magical powers...and this ONE lawyer will overpower the hundreds/thousands of Big Pharma lawyers...and THIS will "hurt" American children.
As for the NEWEST version of polio vaccine, Dr Offit is (shockingly) asserting that there should never be a placebo-controlled trial to test its safety or efficacy. The American media claim that vaccine science is so sophisticated that it is the most "sound medical science" presently available. And yet, how can any real scientist know if a vaccine is safe if there is NO control group?
I wonder if Dr. Offit is also selling used cars or additional warranties for my refrigerator. He's such a good salesman, except to people who are educated enough to see the baloney that he's selling.
Here's an article that I actually wrote and got published at the HuffingtonPost in 2010 entitled: How To Create Your Own Pandemic: Learn from Big Pharma's Creativity. Believe it or not, I even predicted that Big Pharma would blame "bat blood" and "bat feces" as a source of the "new" pandemic.
https://danaullman.substack.com/p/how-to-create-your-own-pandemic-infectious
Excellent article! Thank you.
Did you miss that is predicated on being able to count?
"THIS will "hurt" American children."
Yes!
If they have parents that can't count even to two.
"they actually hired ONE lawyer"
You know, the fools preyed upon by homeopathic grifters.
I doubt one of the world's foremost infection paediatricians and vaccine specialists needs to heed the advice from a homeopath.
How often have homeopathy studies used proper placebo groups in RDB controlled trials? …almost never, and the ones that have show homeopathy doesn’t work.
His first rototeq vaccine was withdrawn from the market after the "rigorous" pre market trials. Mistakes happen.
Why didn't you post the data?
You will recall the large studies done on the use of homeopathic remedies used to prevent dengue during a large outbreak in Brazil, that showed how effective they were, while those provinces which did not take them fared very poorly. I could provide studies on homeoprophylaxis for leptospirosis in South America and on lathyrus sativus to both prevent and treat polio? Are you interested? I was surprised to read about an epidemic of leptospirosis in humans: here it’s only something that dogs sometimes get.
Will you demand that these homeopathic studies be repeated with saline placebos, Cia?
…thought not! 😂😂🙄
Homeopathic treatment is harmless. Unlike drugs and vaccines. It is energetic, using substances so dilute that there is little or nothing left of the original substance. But they are effective, if you can identify the right one for your case. Which I’m still trying to do, unsuccessfully so far, I am and have been very sick for a long time. Long Covid with cytokine storms play a big part, maybe interacting with the MS. I’m taking low-dose naltrexone, but so far it hasn’t helped. Taking mercurius solubilis, china, and kali phos, increasing the potency of china to 200 c. Adding gelsemium 200 c for the cytokine storms. I don’t think there’s anything else I can do. Maybe see an allergist.
I am against doing a decades-long, multi-million dollar study on Vero cell cultures used to produce a large portion of polio vaccines since 1992. I have seen no evidence which suggests vaccine damage from the polio vaccine in the last fifty years. I disagree with the reasoning that cancer rates have gone up, the SV contaminant caused cancer, the Vero cells are said by some to be immortal, like cancer cells, therefore there’s good reason to believe that polio vaccines produced by Vero cell cultures may be causing many cases of cancer. It may be that I have not undetstood the case correctly, but if I have, it is a very poor case, not worth millions of dollars we don’t have and taking the vaccine off the market for decades.
It is NOT un ethical to do a double blind placebo controlled study with the Hep B vaccine with the original trial to license with 143 subjects for 5 days !!! This disease is by far the lowest risk for infants being that they are NOT having sex nor will they be doing IV drugs. That is the government’s excuse??? Give me a break. It is unethical to NOT do a better trial.
Why do those facts you listed never tempt vaccine promoters to question the need for the Hep B vaccine? In a sane medical world, that would be a real question that deserves an answer. Real scientists and doctors should be looking at all the surrounding data, not just the data that supports their conclusions. SMH.
That’s my question exactly !!! Why have we not questioned it. I have talked to MANY medical people who are even asking themselves why they never questioned it. Blind trust.
At this point, and until and unless the scientific and medical and public health communities begin to behave rationally, it's literally the truth that our health and the health of our children is in our own hands. For too long we let them tell us what to think; that day has ended. And when you think back, medicine doesn't exactly have the best track record: doctors delivering babies didn't think hand washing was a good idea; during the 1918 flu epidemic, doctors regularly prescribed aspirin doses that were so high, they killed patients; thalidomide (need I say more); the era when doctors promoted smoking; Premarin for menopausal women; unnecessary hysterectomies; Vioxx. How many times must we be exposed to their dangerous decisions? Iatrogenic death is the 3rd most common killer of Americans.
At this point it is just psychology.
Takes most folks ~2 secs to see that the claim iatrogenic death is the 3rd most common killer:
https://www.usnews.com/news/healthiest-communities/slideshows/top-10-causes-of-death-in-america
Some people just prefer denial over facts.
I just looked up the number of children in US in 1983 between one and ten. 41 million. If one in 100,000 was diagnosed with hep-B then, that’s 410 children in 41 million. In addition, nearly all children who contract hep-B older than three or four, make a complete recovery over time, untreated. A far cry from Mike’s 18,000.
Yes, you should question.
And it should take you ~2 mins to see that the anti-vaccs are liars.
Did you see this? Chart at bottom. One in 100,000 children under ten diagnosed. My feed is acting funny, and this is so important, I wanted you and others commenting on hep-B to see it. Not trying to be redundant. https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a3.htm
"Why do those facts you listed never tempt vaccine promoters to question the need for the Hep B vaccine? I"
Why is it that you didn't spend 1 min learning the facts......that anti-vaccs are liars?
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11694691/
I just found this CDC chart (at the bottom) which shows that before the hep-B vaccine, only one in 100,000 American children between one in nine was diagnosed with hep-B.
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5125a3.htm
I agree, but think it is better to rescind all mandates and let the parents choose. Have them read Judy Converse’s When Your Doctor is Wrong: The Gepatitis-B Vaccine and Autism. And school nurse Patti White’s testimony at the congressional hep-B vaccine safety hearing in May 1999.
I’m really not sure one could trust the results of any safety study which might be done.
I agree with that as well.
Except it can be transmitted from a Hep B positive mother whilst in utero.
Well, all pregnant women are tested during pregnancy. Either the tests are no good, or we don't need to vaccinate babies. Or we think all moms are having illicit sex and injecting drugs.
Moms who are truly at greater risk for contracting Hep B while pregnant can be retested at time of delivery and baby can be treated accordingly if necessary.
There is zero need for universal Hepatits B vaccination of infants and children.
Additionally, the vaccine can be associated with poor feeding in newborns. It is not a benign intervention.
You state the above numbers like they were facts. Coming up with such numbers using “economic models” is at best an educational guess. And the study is from CDC researchers. After the “COVID pandemic”, I have very little trust in any of the governmental alphabet heath agencies.
"Coming up with such numbers using “economic models” is at best an educational guess. "
I get that you are not a scientist, but if you can't read or do math better--you should find a new topic to comment on.
As you were informed above, 18,000 children each year contracted Hep B in the US, but only half were maternal infections potentially avoidable through screening and vaccination of infants of positive mothers… the other half were infections occurring without an obvious source. That’s 9,000 a year, most of whom would become Hep B carriers, get cirrhosis and liver failure late in life, and be at very high risk of liver cancer.
These inapparent childhood infections would be caused by other blood or bodily fluid exposures in infancy and childhood. Potentially just sharing a teething ring at child care with an infected baby could do it. Hep B is extremely infectious; 100x more so than HIV for example.
18,000? Wow, that is so many more than the 100,000 being made autistic every year. 1 in 35. 100,000 destroyed lives per year, not counting the damage it does to their families. Even if hep b was immediately 100% lethal, the benefit ratio would still be completely upside down.
False equivalence. Vaccines don’t cause autism, and why are you not comparing like with like? Autism is a spectrum. Death is highly unusual. Is Hep B vax the sole claimed “cause of autism”? And why compare only to deaths from Hep B?
BTW, over the last 30 years in the US childhood vaccines have prevented an estimated 508 million cases of illness, 32 million hospitalizations, and 1.1 million deaths, resulting in direct savings of $540 billion and societal savings of $2.7 trillion.
https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/childhood-vaccines/childhood-vaccines-have-prevented-half-billion-illnesses-saved-us-27-trillion-3
Oh yay. Mike S. You are late for work today. I hope offit doesn't short your shill check for your tardiness. I'm not gonna bother arguing against your no faith bulllshido. I know what you are. You know what you are and everyone else here does as well. Have you noticed how few are left on your side of this argument, after all your best efforts? Man, what i life, huh?
Could you please detail what VPDs would have caused 1.1 million deaths in those thirty years? That is a completely wild figure pulled out of the blue. Does your ridiculous study depend on disease rates and medical treatments current among malnourished, cold children in tenements and Mississippi Delta shacks in 1880 or 1931?
Zero cases of autism from vaccines.
We know that the autism starts before vaccination.
And we see in the Omnibus how the anti-vaccs know this fact and try to actively deceive parents.
Sadly, some folks don't care.
It’s one in 25 diagnosed with autism now, still increasing every year. The 18,000 figure is false. Ask him for the table showing that 18,000 children every year were being diagnosed with hep-B every year, with NO use of the word “estimated.” He can’t, because they weren’t. But you’re right, even if it were accurate, it would not justify causing autism and seizure disorders in tens of thousands of children a year. Not all cases of autism are caused by the hep-B vaccine: many are caused by the DTaP, MMR, and flu vacvines. I’ve read about some caused by the Hib vaccine. But the hep-B vaccine causes the lion’s share.
Measures which have been taken fir decades are enough: testing all pregnant women and vaxxing the babies of those positive. The number of children between one and ten actually diagnosed with hep-B during childhood was one in 100,000 before the vaccine. See if you can pin him down asking for real figures, not estimates.
Trust me, i know. I was just going as conservative as possible and giving him his numbers to show just how ridiculous his position is. Even with everything assumed to the benefit of the narrative, it still never adds up. Thanks for the solid reality points. Greatly appreciated.
"Well, all pregnant women are tested during pregnancy. "
And we know that doesn't work.
"There is zero need for universal Hepatits B vaccination of infants and children."
Other than stopping 10,000s of kids each year from death from liver cancer and liver failure.
Yes, but it has been universal for many decades to test pregnant women for hep-B and then to give the vaccine to their babies at birth. Those are the only ones who should get it. I tested negative, said I didnt want my baby to get it because I had read it often caused autism. They gave it to her at midnight at the hospital within 24 hours of birth. It caused encephalitic screaming syndrome and autism. She’s 24 now, still low-verbal, still very lonely because she can’t converse, can’t have friends. Normal IQ between 100 and 103, but brain-damaged. Very beautiful. I got her a minimum wage job, in which she’s gotten many commendations. The state legislature gave her the Medicaid waiver because her autism is considered severely disabling. Because of reactions to the hep-B and DTaP vaccines. Without them, she would have finished college by now and probably be married and have a baby.
"It is NOT un ethical to do a double blind placebo controlled study with the Hep B vaccine with the original trial to license with 143 subjects for 5 days !!!"
It would be ethical for you to read the studies and see the anti-vaccs are liars.
The trial you refer to did not study the vaccine for 5 days. That was just the length of time that parents were contacted on a daily basis post vaccine to obtain info on the acute local reactions.
The subjects were also reviewed at the one month period (dose 2) and the 3 month period (dose 3), with further assessment 3 months after that….Read the trial protocol, not antivax propaganda!
There was no double blind placebo control. None !!
I take it you accept the study did not last 5 days (and how could it for a vaccine dosed at 0, 1 and 4 months of age 😂)!
Dr Offit explained about the placebo controlled element of these trials and why it wasn’t done… there was already an effective licensed hep B vaccine, so that was the comparator.
The problem is they were not done on the original trials. So they just keep comparing to the old one as if the trials were done right. Like I said a REAL placebo controlled clinical trial please and thank you. And yes original trial was 5 Days !
No it wasn’t. Tell me how a study of a vaccine given in 3 doses over 4 months can be for 5 days only? Don’t be ridiculous.
What about the health of those on the placebo end?
Without a proper control arm and a transparent trial, there is no basis for belief in the safety or efficacy of any drug or vaccine. This is basic science.
So, what about the safety of the ones on placebo? Given the present literature and knowledge base they are exactly as safe as the others as far as we know. You don't get to claim an effect without the proper trial and there are no proper trials documented for any of the vaccines on the cdc's childhood schedule.
It really is that simple. You don't know, but you want to roll the dice. We want to know. That is the reality of our antagonistic positions. Those playing dice with the lives of other people's children are never on the right side of history. Not even once.
It is really, really simple: use your ~5th grade science/math skills and see the anti-vacc fraud.
Efficacy is easy. Look around you. I wanted my daughter to have natural measles to improve her lifetime health. Unfortunately, while 4 million a year had natural measles in 1960, the entire birth cohort, 99% of children, within a few years it was dramatically reduced. Now maybe a few dozen, in outbreak years maybe a few hundred. 4 million a year to 50. Because nearly everyone has gotten the MMR. How many get tetanus? Diphtheria? In 1985, one in 200 young American children got a clinical case of Hib, while one in a thousand died of it. Now it’s maybe two a year. Why? Because the vaccine was introduced for infants in 1990. Bye-bye Hib disease! How about polio? How many children in the US are paralyzed every year by polio? How many die? Right. None. Zero. Because almost all get the vaccine. Chickenpox? Same. Most vaccones are nearly always effective. About 5% of people are non-responders, but for most people, they are effective.
Safety is a completely different issue. They are not safe. Some are safer than others. Fortunately, the diphtheria, tetanus, and polio vaccines are safe for most. Parents of children in daycare usually want vaccine protection from Hib disease. Usually pneumococcal disease, though I get uneasy there.
Hepatits B is NOT a threat to a newborn !!! Only transmitted through sex and needles. And read my previous statement. We can gather the warning signals through EMR. And what if there is injury ? With the current studies no true placebo controlled.
18,000 infections a year, and it’s “not a threat”?
…Give me a break!
https://x.com/johnrich/status/1673049888597180418?s=42
Here you go Mike. CDC admits they don’t have the studies. We DESERVE the studies !!! Hep B on Newborns is a good 😌 lave to start.
Did you listen to the video?
How did you miss the dishonest questioning intended to deceive?
Not to a newborn !!!
Still wrong.
Still an anti-vacc lie.
Newborns infected with Hep B go on to be chronic carriers in 90% of cases; of these 50% get cirrhosis and liver failure later in life, and they are at high risk from liver cancer.
Yes and they can only get it from their mother. So we should inject one size fits all ??? Seriously. Let’s just put everyone on diabetic and BP meds as well because you know diabetes is a killer and everyone is getting it.
"Hepatits B is NOT a threat to a newborn !!! Only transmitted through sex and needles"
We have been testing newborns in the US since the 1960s and we know with certainty that all newborns are at risk.
Yup, the anti-vaccs are liars.
Not when the mother is negative. And then the small percent of kids that get it clear it without complications. But now 1:36 kids have autism. A Life sentence. I met an anti vaxer yesterday. Said her 30 and 25 year olds never got a vaccine. I asked may I ask what led you to your conclusions? She said she literally watched her niece spiral into Autism after 18 month vaxes. Many stories like this and the parents are all gaslit. Just like the covid vax injured. ( see React19.ORG ) started by Dr Joel Wolskog. Orthopedic surgeon disabled. We need more studies. If you really dive in you will see the studies are crap !!!
? Meaning that the placebo recipients would remain healthy?
Meaning the placebo would have statistically significant less chronic illnesses yea !!
Isn't it interesting that those who profit from vaccines oppose safety and efficacy testing by being tested against placebos? Why is that such an outrageous ask? Unless, of course, vaccine testing for efficacy and safety might turn up information that the makers and promoters don't want to know. Vaccines are products. They don't exist in nature. Because they are manufactured and because they are mandated, it is eminently sensible that they be subjected to the same safety requirements as any other product that has even a small chance of causing injury. If they pass the real, honest, and open tests of safety and efficacy, we will then be assured that it's ok to vaccinate our children dozens of times before they reach adulthood.
it is horrifying that Offit and his ilk endorse and promote experimentation on live human subjects instead of rigorous, placebo controlled rct s.
The argument that placebo controlled for vaccines would be unethical is nonsense. Put out a call for volunteers. Thousands of altruistic folks will step up to participate.
In addition- there are large subgroups of non-vaccinated individuals that could be included in trials.
It is horrifying some adults can't understand "big" words like experimentation or 5th grade science and why non-vaccinated individuals are wrong.
The same people who won't learn basic ethics or listen to ethicists!
I think you’ll find they are more rigorously tested for safety, e.g. the RSV vaccine trial has been recently suspended due to safety concerns.
Depending on the vaccine being tested, it may be tested against saline placebo or if it’s a different vaccine to one already in use then the placebo is likely to be the vaccine already in use. Both of these approaches were used during the Covid vaccine trials by the different manufacturers. One in the U.K. had the placebo as a meningococcal vaccine, but the same Covid vaccine in Brazil had saline as the placebo.
Nothing is 100% risk free, some have food allergies whilst others don’t. No two peoples immune systems are the same, as shown in the Black Death in England, when the mortality rate was 48%, which meant that 52% were able to survive.
ONE RSV trial was suspended. The other vaccine proceeded to market despite infant deaths. The suspension of one trial allows FDA to appear to be doing its job of safety surveillance when in reality it continues to allow unsafe products to remain on the market.
A good friend's father was hospitalized day after getting his covid and RSV shots. Doesn't sound very safe to me.
Translation: you didn't read the studies, and you don't care what the facts are.
That’s disinformation. No infant died during the RSV trials; they were all halted when 5 infants in the active arm of the placebo controlled trial developed severe RSV.
Halting the study shows how the regulators are very vigilant about such trials and how seriously they take vaccine safety into account.
Brazil also used the meningococcal vaccine as a placebo in testing the Covid vaccine, and it killed a young medical student. The meningococcal vaccine is dangerous. The disease is very dangerous, but rare. I gave my daughter the nosode for it.
The person in Brazil died of COVID according to this https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-astrazeneca-trial-death-brazil-2020-10?op=1
According to this https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/Nejmoa2034577 saline was used as placebo.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8165083/
Many in Brazil died of Covid. I’d have to try to remember the two South American strains. I’d have to look on my old computer to fond the article about the Brazilian med student killed by the meningococcal vaccine used as a placebo in testing a Covid vaccine there. I do not question that hundreds of thousands died of Covid in S America, millions world wide. Such a shame that mad scientists unleashed hell on the world. But at this time, we were talking about unethical and deadly vaccine testing.
The person who died in Brazil during the trials for the Astra Zeneca covid vaccine died from Covid. The tragedy was that had he been in the active arm of the study rather than getting an inactive placebo, he might well have survived.
Gamma and Lamda. I used to associate Lambda with the lambada.
Don’t expect facts from Cia, she’s never seen a bit of antivax propaganda or disinformation that she hasn’t instantly believed.
They like to test a new vaccine against an older, very dangerous vaccine, so they can say the new one is not more dangerous than the old one. Both very dangerous. I was a friend of the late Dr. Edward Yazbak. He told me that the polio vaccine had been the only one tested against a true placeno.
The chapter on vaccine safety testing in Dr. Richard Moskowitz’ Vaccines: A Reappraisal, is very interesting, and shows how deliberately dishonest the process is.
"Isn't it interesting that those who profit from vaccines oppose safety and efficacy testing by being tested against placebos?"
It is interesting that there is 100+ years of figuring out how to do the proper testing.
And the proper use of placebos is just ~5th grade science.
And yet some folks just can't get the basic understanding correct.........or seem to care that every single country rejects their silliness!
Question for Paul "safe and effective" Offit: How much income do you receive
from vaccine sales? How much are paid for your propaganda and smear campaigns?
Thank You
My husband is a pediatrician. He makes nothing for recommending vaccines and both of our kids are fully vaccinated.
I was not asking what pediatricians earn--although they do, and some quite a bit
I'm asking Apostle Paul
You’ll find pediatricians don’t make as much as a lot of other doctors. Most get into pediatrics because they like kids and want to help them.
Yes. i would hope so
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Have your husband read vaccines science and myth. Turtles all the way down.
I assure you that my husband has read plenty.
It’s total garbage.
Why would her husband read antivax propaganda? Let him stick to reading the scientific literature on vaccines.
I dont buy it. If hes not being rewarded then the the hospital or clinic hes workimg for is.
His job (or keeping it) is dependent on meeting certain vaccination quotas
https://rumble.com/v4vrie8-financial-incentives-given-doctors-to-poison-our-kids-with-vaccines.html
Oh please. Doctors don't get paid for vaccine sales nor for public service campaigns urging people to stay healthy and get vaccinated.
Staying healthy!? Really? 70+ plus shots? Yet, a 600x increase in childhood disease since 1986 liability protection act. But nothing about nutrition, education, etc.
childhood poverty is number 1 mortality
70 + shots?
They count every possible disease and injection separately, though this means double counting. And they regard vaccines like Rota virus as a “shot”.
Me, I take the view that if a vaccine can prevent my child being ill, then let’s be having it!
I call that anti-vax math.
It’s much worse.
Doctors cannot practice medicine freely without risking their licenses. The reality is that corporate hospitals and private equity firms now control healthcare—and that’s without even mentioning the pharmaceutical industry.
Healthcare has been reduced to a profit-driven enterprise, where sickness is far more profitable than health. So is addiction. The evidence is in the outcomes we see from the healthcare industry. We don’t need a randomized, placebo-controlled study to recognize that corporate hospitals and nursing homes are among the most dangerous places on the planet.
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I don’t think he receives anything from vaccine sales. However he did get around $5 million back in the 90s for selling on the patent for the Rotavirus vaccine he developed after 15 years intensive research, I believe.
Even his book profits go to charities.
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The decision to get or refuse vaccines for children must be left entirely in the hands of parents. The existing inactivated polio vaccine should remain available for those who want to give it. Only rare cases of polio 1 still occur in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and rare cases of 2 from the oral vaccine sometimes reverting to wildness. The one case of paralytic polio in NY in 2022 was because an unvaxxed man was exposed to a man who had gotten the oral vaccine in eastern Europe and it had reverted to wildness. A very unusual situation. Those who want it should be able to get it, but the danger in refusing it is extremely low.
The hep-B vaccine has always been devastatingly dangerous. Sure, released in the year of the inflection point of autism, when it began its explosion. Few of those 18,000 children under ten said to have had hep-B were not diagnosed with it as children, because there were no symptoms. Very few of them had it. When some got it later as adults from heroin use and similar, many denied using an illegal drug, so they said Well, then you must have gotten it as a child, though no one ever knew, because you were perfectly healthy. So let’s say it’s not enough to test all pregnant women and only vax babies born to those with hep-B (the sensible course). No. We’ll get forty dollars per newborn for vaxxing them all before leaving the hospital, construing permission from the woman’s signature when checking into the hospital on a general consent form which doesn’t mention the vaccine. Sure, a congressional committee heard a lot of testimony in May 1999 on the thousands of babies killed or disabled by autism or seizure disorders caused by the vaccine. But we’ll just repeat mindlessly that that’s correlation, not causation. And never do a real safety study since any baby at any time may contract this disease like AIDS in being blood- or semen-borne.
Nosodes are available for all VPDs, have been shown in many studies to be highly effective. So test all vaccines using nosodes rather than true placebos if it is necessary to give all test subjects protection. Or use some of the millions whose parents won’t give them vaccines regardless. Only the medical personnel involved need to be blinded. But don’t continue killing and disabling children because you say that testing would be unethical.
Aluminum as an adjuvant is dangerous, but there is no safer alternative. Parents just have to decide for each individual child if each VPD is dangerous enough in their case to warrant taking a chance on the vaccine.
Parents became even more suspicious regarding vaccine safety as a result of such a large percentage of the Covid vaccinated being disabled or killed by it. The CDC refused to release the devastating V-Safe records for several years. They were meant to show the public how safe the vaccine was, but instead showed the opposite. But refusing to admit the truth was the wrong course to take.
Thousands of studies have been done showing every conceivable type of damage caused by vaccines. They COULD easily disable or even kill the child taking them. Those with a propensity to allergic or autoimmune disease in their family are at much higher risk. Most of the vaccines are effective, though not safe. So the parent has to research the VPDs, what they were like before the vaccines for them, and what they might be like if they returned, considering modern changes in living conditions and medical treatments like antibiotics. It’s on the parents to research and decide.
But vaccine transparency is absolutely necessary, grist for the mill in making decisions.
That’s the situation here in the U.K., however, in some countries vaccination of children is compulsory,Austria for example, before they can go to school. Despite our voluntary vaccination programme, most parents have their children vaccinated, unfortunately over the past year measles vaccination rates have fallen below the 95% required for community immunity leading to outbreaks in some areas.
Do I think that childhood vaccinations should be compulsory? In general that would be no.
Are there circumstances where vaccination should be compulsory? Yes for certain professions where there’s a risk of infection and disease.
http://vaclib.org/sites/debate/web1.html
Vaccines are neither safe nor effective.
None is safe, but most are effective. Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis ((DPT, not DTaP), measles, rubella, polio, Hib disease, and chicken pox all disappeared or became very uncommon shortly after the vaccines for them were introduced. Count how many vaccinated people on your block have had any of these. I would refuse pertussis, measles, and chicken pox, and Hib for a breast fed baby or toddler cared for at home. But if I got them, they would be effective.
In the U.K. pregnant women are vaccinated against pertussis, influenza and RSV in the third trimester, as this provides the newborn with passive antibodies passed across the placenta in utero and in breast milk post natal. Neonates are very susceptible to these infections, particularly those who are pre term. We don’t vaccinate against chickenpox except in certain circumstances.
The vaccines I had as a baby were polio, diphtheria and tetanus. I think I missed out on pertussis. I had the oral polio vaccine when I was 6, after it was introduced in 1961.
Measles vaccine was introduced in 1968 in U.K..
I had both measles and rubella as an infant. I had chicken pox when I was 8 years old. I never had mumps.
Cia’s idea of stopping infants dying from pertussis is to completely isolate mother and baby in a hermetically sealed environment for the first year of life…no contact with father, siblings etc.
You can’t get crazier than that!
Oh, I see she can.. she thinks you can give them homeopathic remedies too!
Not for the first year. By three months old, the breathing passages of infants have developed enough that they are able to cough out the mucus in their lungs. It was surprising to me when C got it at 8 months old (despite three DTaPs). She had long coughing fits maybe three or four times a day, ten coughs per breath. Then coughed up vast sheets of clear, slippery mucus. A small number of newborns might choke on it and be unable to breathe.
Pertussis has upsurges anout every three and a half years worldwide. Parents of newborns should ask their health care provider how common pertussis is during their infant’s first three months of life. Longer if the child is fragile. The (dangerous) DTaP is given at 2, 4, 6, and 18 months, but doesn’t hive any protection for the first several doses, and often never does.
So that means that parents perforce must think carefully about who they should keep away from their child. C was 8 and 9 months old. It was alarming, but not dangerous. Once the fits ended, she felt all right.
It was foolish of me to go to La Leche League meetings with her. That one, in early January, 2001, probably had ten babies and toddlers at it, several of them coughing. And I still thought nothing of it.
Yes, if your baby gets whooping cough, you need to hold them up to your shoulder and walk around with them, so the mucus doesn’t pool in their lungs and possibly cause pneumonia. If possible, have helpers to spell you. Give the correct dose of vitamin C. Alternate Pertudoron 1 and 2. Keep the child wrapped up and warm. Speak soothingly through the coughing fits.
The older the baby, the less you have to worry about pertussis. But, obviously, take him to the hospital if he is in distress after a fit is over. He may contract pneumonia.
And it is dangerous for pregnant women to get any vaccines. Parents must shelter newborns at home for several months after birth. They can only get pertussis from someone carrying it. There is a nosode they could give them. Vitamin C if they get it anyway. Breastfeeding provides no protection from pertussis, wjich is strange.
I reacted to the DPT at three months old with encephalitic screaming syndrome, as my brother did a year later. As my daughter did reacting to the hep-B vaccine. And it and the DTaP booster caused her autism.
I had a lot of DPTs, one at 19 paralyzed both my arms for several days, brachial plexus neuropathy, and caused my MS. I also got many polio vaccines, and two smallpox, with a third the day I got the travel vacvines and brachial plexus neuropathy. Also the first of two typhoid vaccines.
I had measles at six and chickenpox at seven. Rubella at some point. Pertussis when my thrice vaxxed baby caught pertussid anyway and gave it to me. The booster at 18 months erased her only two words, and she was diagnosed with autism two months later.
I have had flu many times, have never taken the vaccine, nor ever will. It paralyzed my father. I got hep-A after eating fry bread on a Navajo reservation with my father. Rotavirus while living in Mexico as an adult. I got three doses of Covid vaccine in 2021, but had bad reactions, including myocarditis. I’m glad I have gotten the natural diseases that I have. I would not travel in a yellow fever or Ebola zone.
Who is it dangerous for? Mother or baby? IgG antibodies from the mother pass through breast milk to the infant, as there’s no discrimination between antibodies then pertussis antibodies must be present in breast milk. By the way diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis vaccine doesn’t cause.encephalitis https://vaxopedia.org/2017/12/30/what-causes-non-stop-crying-after-dtap-vaccines/
Neither does DTaP or any vaccine cause autism.
Also be aware that the U.K. uses the abbreviation DTP for diphtheria, tetanus, polio triple vaccine.
As the graph shows their "dissappearance" had nothing to do with vaccines.
Vaccinated individuals still contract and transmit the very "illnesses" they were vaccinated against. We watched this play out in real.time these last 4 years
https://youtu.be/Ybmwr_0_w3M
A vaccinated person can and does become infected with a pathogen, but they shouldn’t become seriously ill or die. In the early 2000’s I was required to have a measles antibody check. This returned a measurable quantity of antibodies. I have not been vaccinated against measles, but I developed it some 50 years before my antibody test. Either I had had a huge viral load as an infant (The half life of these antibodies is 3 weeks, if you figure out how many three weeks there are in fifty years and multiply 2 by itself that many times will give some indication of the numbers involved) OR I had multiple infections from the measles virus in the intervening years that kept triggering my immune system to produce antibodies.
The rest of the world would disagree with you on that. Vaccines are safe and effective. If you wanted to travel to the Democratic Republic of Congo would you refuse the yellow fever vaccination or, should one be developed, against Ebola or Lassa?
The yellow fever vaccine is very reactive, and has itself killed many people. You’d have to consider your risk of being infected.
From the BNF https://bnf.nice.org.uk/drugs/yellow-fever-vaccine/#side-effects
Side-effects, further information
Very rare vaccine-associated adverse effects may occur, such as viscerotropic disease (yellow-fever vaccine-associated viscerotropic disease, YEL-AVD), a syndrome which may include metabolic acidosis, muscle and liver cirrhosis, and multi-organ failure. Neurological disorders (yellow fever vaccine-associated neurotropic disease, YEL-AND) such as encephalitis have also been reported. These very rare adverse effects usually occur after the first dose of yellow fever vaccine in those with no previous immunity. Increased risk of fatal reactions reported in patients aged 60 years and older and those who are immunosuppressed.
There are two Ebola vaccines, both against Zaire (now the DRC) Ebola only.
You see John, it matters not if a vaccine saves millions of lives…if it kills just one recipient it is evil and dangerous, and should be banned! 😉
You speak for the rest of the worlds health ministries? Since when?
A better question is "why the hell would I want to travel to the DRC"? Lets start there.
Any country with a mandatory vaccine rule for entry; isnt a country am remotely interested in visiting for starters
I wouldn’t travel to those countries where vaccinations are “only” recommended without having those vaccinations. It’s not worth the risk of becoming ill, dependent on local healthcare which could be under strain with the local population without the added burden of tourists or overseas workers, is it too much to ask that you mitigate against the risk by having a vaccination?
https://www.fitfortravel.nhs.uk/destinations/
Look up Professor Martin Gore, who was killed very quickly by the yellow fever vaccine in 1999. Many tourists about to travel to a yellow fever zone have died either from the yellow fever vaccine or from yellow fever, if they decided not to take the vaccine. That’s why it’s called risks vs. benefits: the outcome can go either way.
There was a vaccine for Ebola. Reactive. But Ebola would be worth taking the risk if you were going to be exposed. Has it been withdrawn?
No. It’s very helpful.
Not if those children are around my kids. No way.
Excellent!! And thank you.
This seems very disingenuous to me. People like RFK Jr (and myself) are not anti-vax, we are pro science, transparency, safety, etc.
LOL!
Yeah, right! 🙄
In manners of life and death, what is disingenuous is scientifically illiterate grifting from foolish people.
I have published on vaccines in top medical journals, with zero funding, and you want to call me a scientifically illiterate grifter? I'm sorry, I'm very clever, but I can't fix stupid.
According to a statistic I saw recentley the pharmaceutical industry made over $1.6 TRILLION. Your contention is that some group made $23 Million, roughly the amount Pfizer spends on marketing for a single drug and you think they're "well funded".
Dr. Offit, the pharmaceutical and corporate healthcare industries have YOU putting out their apologetics and you have the ear of politicians, mainstream media, and you lecture to health journalists. YOU control the narrative.
ICAN is nothing compared to the influence you have, Dr. Offit. This movement is powered by people NOT money.
I thought you'd understand that by now...
"According to a statistic I saw recentley the pharmaceutical industry made over $1.6 TRILLION"
And I have read that 99.9% of everything anti-vaccs say is a stupid lie.
https://www.biospace.com/pharmaceutical-market-size-to-hit-around-usd-2-832-66-bn-by-2033
Okay. Let's use your number. You think that helps you!? $23 milion is still less than the cost of a single marketing campaign by orders of magnitude.
I can stand corrected on the total and still be correct. as I am and will remain.
It comes as no surprise that I agree wholeheartedly with your evaluation. People see the decrease in disease and assume you don't need vaccinations if you no longer have the disease circulating. Little do they know it can come back with mutations that will make it much more difficult to control the next time around. And there is an assumption that hygiene will solve all our problems with disease. While important, hygiene was not a factor in the latest Covid epidemic. I am disappointed with the comments others have proffered in these comments.
It isn’t disease that circulates but pathogens. The pathogen can infect anyone, vaccinated or not. What vaccines do is prevent serious illness or death, they cannot prevent infection.
This is why virologists and immunologists go to great lengths to differentiate between a virus (e.g. SARS-CoV-2) and the disease (e.g. COVID19). The mRNA vaccines are against COVID19 not SARS-CoV-2.
Is that you Dr. Racaniello? Of course this is exactly right. But disease is easier for some people to relate to. Otherwise you have to explain B and T cells and I'm not qualified to do that.
Nope, but I do watch microbe tv on YouTube.
I’ve suggesting banning these trolls but to no avail. He’d be better to disable comments completely.
Sometimes it’s good for people reading the articles to see how vacuous the antivax trolls’ arguments can be. Many are their own worst enemy, given how obviously ridiculous their claims are.
But yes, some moderation of the threatening and insulting comments would probably help.
Dissolving Illusions by Suzanne Humphries summarizes nicely in graph form the decline in vaccine preventable diseases well before vaccines for them became available.
As for hygiene and covid, if it had no impact, why were we told to wash our hands dozens of times a day, douse ourselves in hand sanitizer, wear masks, and stay away from one another? Or were the experts wrong about that?
Covid was driven largely by low vitamin D levels, insulin resistance (obese and those with type 2 diabetes were much higher risk of severe disease). Had the public health officials given everyone adequate doses of vitamin D to achieve levels >50-60, very few would have ended up in ICU. Instead we were told to stay indoors and eventually given donuts to take an ineffective and unsafe genetic injection that even Cleveland Clinic has found increases the likelihood of getting the very disease it was said it would prevent.
Diseases spread by feco-oral route declined prior to vaccination, thanks to improved hygiene.
Most airborne disease didn’t.. eg measles, pneumonia, pertussis, diphtheria, rubella, meningitis, chickenpox, mumps etc.
These remained prevalent (some universally so) until vaccines were introduced.
Measles actually did. So did tetanus. I don't r know the stats on the others.
As for pneumonia, I recently read that since vaccinating babies against Strep pneumonia, adults (older ones in particular) are now getting sick with more Strep pneumonia than before. Sounds similar to the rise in adult shingles after we kept kids from getting chickenpox with the varicella vaccine. Adults no longer getting naturally boosted by exposure to kids and grandkids and neighbor kids. So now the more vulnerable adults are getting sick.
The only people who get shingles are people who’ve had chickenpox. Vaccinated kids won’t get it.
In fact, people even people who've had chickenpox can be vaccinated and will be unlikely to get it. Shingrex shot.
Nope… vaccinating kids REDUCES pneumonia in the elderly, by reducing the pneumococcal prevalence in the general population.
One study found that the number of hospitalizations for pneumococcal pneumonia in the elderly decreased by 58% after routine vaccination.
Another study found that the PCV7 vaccine prevents hospitalisations in the elderly primarily due to herd protection in the adult population.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC5461988/#:~:text=In%20large%20prospective%20trials%2C%20the,vaccination%20with%20PCV7%20(63).
Humphrey is a crank.
"even Cleveland Clinic has found increases the likelihood of getting the very disease it was said it would prevent."
Or you could read the words and see that the anti-vaccs lied to you.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38465901/
"a significantly lower risk of COVID-19"
BTW: if you remember how to graph, you will see that Humphries lied to you.
"Perhaps no one has benefited more from the Covid-19 pandemic than the anti-vaccine movement." This is TOO precious, Captain Obvious. That you don't seem to understand why we became suspicious of vaccines during covid is so rich.
Easy:
1. Anti-vacc liars,
2. Your scientific ignorance,
Generally followed by willful ignorance!
https://covidreason.substack.com/p/paul-offit-im-not-getting-this-years
<https://covidreason.substack.com/p/paul-offit-im-not-getting-this-years>
So even PR-offit is getting of the booster-for-life band wagon. Does he know something YOU DONT ?
He wants the right to say no to a vaccine but wants to deny you (the parent of fragile children) that same right
And of course no vaccines are tested against saline solution placebos and vaccine manufactures incur no liability as they are shielded by the national vaccine act of 1986 and the CARES act
You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
If you have an efficacious drug, why on earth would you want to give a placebo?
Placebos can help determine how effective a drug can be as compared to nothing.
For drugs or vaccines where there is already an accepted effective option available, then new drugs or vaccines can only be tested against the one in current use.
For example, if you develop a new formulation of insulin, you can’t test it in diabetics by having a placebo control; if you did a lot would die from diabetic ketoacidosis. You have to test the new version against the usual insulin.
To see how many are disabled or killed by the drug or vaccine compared to the placebo group. But if you’d prefer just to kill or disable us and speed on, just say so.
How do you know its effective without a control arm in your study? So we take the word of drug manufacturers without testing? Genuis? Especially ones that have settled multi billion lawsuits for fraud?
Justice Department Announces Largest Health Care Fraud Settlement in Its History
https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-largest-health-care-fraud-settlement-its-history
Please remove your USA centric viewpoint, what may or may not apply in the USA does not extend outside of the 50 states, D.C. or overseas territories into the rest of the world or Greenland.
You’re incorrect, COVID vaccines were tested against saline placebo in Brazil and possibly South Africa. In the U.K. there’s a vaccine damage payment available for people who are proven to be >=60% disabled following any of a specific list of vaccines, including COVID, this is not compensation but a benefit payment of £120000. This does not prevent the recipient from suing the pharmaceutical company.
1) The author of this substack is an American.
2) The issue of contention is mandatory childhood vaccination in America.
3) The person of interest is one RFKjr who is about to head up the HHS; a cabinet position in America; who himself is also an American ... shall i go on?
You might be in the wrong place
"vaccine manufactures incur no liability"
Most people don't want children to die and they will read the words and see vaccine manufacturers have full liability and that the anti-vaccs are frauds:
https://www.mdcourts.gov/data/opinions/coa/2009/112a08.pdf
Yup, the anti-vaccs are liars and evil.
"You can’t sue Pfizer or Moderna if you have severe Covid vaccine side effects. The government likely won’t compensate you for damages either"
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html
Immune to lawsuits
In February, Health and Human Services Secretary Alex Azar invoked the Public Readiness and Emergency Preparedness Act. The 2005 law empowers the HHS secretary to provide legal protection to companies making or distributing critical medical supplies, such as vaccines and treatments, unless there’s “willful misconduct” by the company. The protection lasts until 2024.
That means that for the next four years, these companies “cannot be sued for money damages in court” over injuries related to the administration or use of products to treat or protect against Covid.
HHS declined CNBC’s request for an interview.
Good thing I posted a lawsuit so everyone can see that it is possible to sue vaccine makers and that the Courts have exposed the anti-vacc fraud.
BTW: your "immune" to lawsuits quote explains that one can sue the covid vaccine makers.
Yup, the anti-vacc lies are that stupid.
Lolll. You moron. Pre 2024 you couldnt sue them because they were shielded by the CARES act as the msnbc article points out
Post 2024 you cant sue them because Covid is part of the cdc childrens vaccination schedule and thus shielded by the national childhood vaccination act.
Which; given Trumps line up for the HHS/FDA/CDC/NIADS problem isnt going to exist much longer ... ESPECIALLY once it becomes public/common knowledge
"Pre 2024 you couldnt sue them because they were shielded by the CARES act as the msnbc article points out"
You post the exact words saying could be sued!
"BREAKING: Sen. Ron Johnson calls for the removal of liability protections for vaccine makers first enacted in the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986."
https://x.com/LeadingReport/status/1872804669334143413
;)
And so it begins. 1/30/25 cant come soon enough
"And of course no vaccines are tested against saline solution placebos"
https://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=0%2C22&q=vaccine+saline+placebo+study&oq=vacc
Yup, the anti-vacc liars are exactly that stupid!
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DDHJg4sN46f/
Here is a video of RFKjr in a question and answer session stating publicly that no vaccines in use today have been tested against a saline solution placebo.
Given who he is, his position both in the public limelight and as a lawyer; coupled with the hatred pharmaceutical companies and health agencies have for him;
They can easily bankrupt him in lawsuits and destroy his credibility in one fell swoop; if ANYTHING he said above was in error
Why havent they?
We are lucky.
I posted studies so we 100% know that RFK jr is lying.
E.g. "randomized to receive influenza vaccine or saline placebo"
Remember: it takes willful stupidity to fall for the anti-vacc lies.
Again why havent they taken those studies to court against him and his bold claim.?
How come YOU (a jerk off sittimg in his moms basement) have access to studies that multi billion pharmaceutical giants dont have with which to defend against RFKs bold claim?
https://rumble.com/v67cmop-rfkjr-says-no-vaccines-in-use-have-been-tested-against-a-placebo.html
Heres the video of RFKjr making that statement ...
I’ve given examples of vaccines tested against saline placebos before. Why do you keep forgetting them?
And the Covid vaccines were tested against saline placebos.
Fouad told me that six or seven years ago, before Covid. I know that the meningococcal vaccinr was sometimes used as a “placebo,” and you do as well. And their methods of testing were very ineffective since an extremely high percentage of the vaxxed reacted with death or disability. Have you guys settled on an explanation for that?
Show me reports or evidence that an “extremely high percentage of the vaxxed reacted with death or disability”.
What is an extremely high percentage? …50%? 80%?
Specify the vaccine and the specific trial please.
Maybe we should focus more on Ultra Processed Foods. If RFK is going to attack the pharmaceutical he should also attack food manufacturers for poisoning our food with chemicals
He already is doing that - he testified in a Senate hearing a couple of months ago about it
Absolutely we should do that also, along with rigorous vaccine safety and efficacy testing. Let's do it all.
"along with rigorous vaccine safety and efficacy testing"
Here is a crazy idea: why don't you try learning the facts?
Exactly. If we are going to attack one we should attack all
Sure, meanwhile people die since studies can take years.
Most of us agree. There’s a lot I hope he will do. I’m most concerned about vaccines and endocrine-disrupting chemicals. A shame that he is our only hope, that the estanlishment is just fine with the deadly status quo.
He is.
Thank you for the info and for putting up with the crazies
He could easily ban them or turn off commenting altogether. A site like this overrun by antivax cranks looks terrible.
Please read my responses. There is more to the story.
Only other cranks are interested in your “story.”